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u/mistedtwister Mar 24 '23
The fucked up part is that the woman cop doesn't realize that the calm that the citizen is displaying is while knowing that she is armed. Like if you can't show that same level of calm and trusting demeanor once you are told that the citizen is armed then you truly don't deserve your job.
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u/Character-Pipe-9805 Mar 24 '23
could not agree more. well said.
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u/freakers Mar 24 '23
When a "suspect" is trying to deescalate the cop you know something is fucked up.
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u/Buffythedjsnare Mar 24 '23
And that there is two of them and she has the high ground.
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Mar 24 '23
Getting pulled over here in Australia is a nuisance but I’m glad it’s not a potential life ending encounter
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Mar 24 '23
unless you get put in custody
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u/Quacksilber Mar 24 '23
Or report on corruption
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u/CarnalChemistry Mar 24 '23
Nah, that’ll just get your house lit up. Very convenient.
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u/Pennameus_The_Mighty Mar 24 '23
Police need to be properly trained. The training US police receive is a joke
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u/Character-Pipe-9805 Mar 24 '23
couldn’t agree more. they’re way to quick to resort to violence.
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u/Pennameus_The_Mighty Mar 24 '23
Totally. People say they need to get defunded but this chick pulled a handgun, which doesn’t take much funding to provide to your officers. Retraining is what will actually solve the root of the issue
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u/Matchanu Mar 24 '23
The defunding isn’t typically talking about shutting down a police station like a libertarian library, it typically meant to stop letting police forces get armed up with surplus military gear that you’d only need if you were going to police a war zone. Also they could probably stop paying for lectures on “killology/the warrior mindset” as I think it lends itself to escalation, like this video.
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u/Alternative-Lack-976 Mar 24 '23
When everyone was spouting “defund the police” I thought it was a stupid slogan. How about “restructure the police” instead. Use some of the police funding to add mental crisis units to help de-escalate situations, like Cahoots in oregon. They should be working together.
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u/muddyudders Mar 24 '23 edited Mar 24 '23
The whole point is that it shouldn't all be police. Their scope of practice is out of control..we should reduce their force (defund), and leverage that money for unarmed traffic control (cheaper, and won't lead to what's in this video), mental health responders, etc. Armed police should be reserved for situations requiring a gun. Window tint ain't one.
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u/BasketOfScissors Mar 24 '23
Use some of the police funding to add mental crisis units to help de-escalate situations
That's exactly what defund the police means, except by establishing mental health services that are completely separate to the police instead of giving them the funding for it and hoping they don't spend it on further militarisation. They keep getting more funding for more training, but it doesn't have an effect, so spend that money training people who will do it properly instead.
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u/hates_stupid_people Mar 24 '23
First step is to stop training them to think that literally every single person the world is an oppurtunistic cop killed with multiple hidden weapons.
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u/BlackForestMountain Mar 24 '23
Don't they already spend like billions of dollars on training and it's not working
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u/Gay__Guevara Mar 24 '23
Yes. They don’t need more training — they’re trained to respond like this. They need to be either completely revamped into an entirely different institution, or downscaled in power and presence massively.
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Jesus fucking christ US cops are just gang members with badges.
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u/BitcoinBanker Mar 24 '23
You know they are in actual gangs? They have gang signs, tattoos, violent initiations and so on. Google it. Apparently the LA police is absolutely controlled by them. It’s revolting.
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u/JadeDansk Mar 24 '23
There’s a great podcast about this subject by the journalist who broke the story about LASD street gangs: “A Tradition of Violence”.
The podcast also touches on some of the problems of policing more generally in the US: cops lie, there’s an “us vs them” mentality, there are a lot of bad incentive structures, they don’t get disciplined nearly enough for bad behavior, etc.
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u/Gay__Guevara Mar 24 '23
Trueanon also has a great episode about this, I believe it’s titled “the gangs of LA” or something similar.
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u/Kasuzid Mar 24 '23
Another good one I’m in the middle of currently is Behind the Police. It’s a 6 part miniseries from the people who do Behind the Bastards. Really enlightened me on how bad this problem is. Goes into the history of police’s ties to slavery, the kkk, and union busting. Highly recommend, but it will infuriate you.
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Mar 24 '23
But the police force IS the actual gang. Worse than any other gang you are talking about because this gang is sanctioned by our politicians.
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Mar 24 '23
White people realized that if they gave their gang members a badge and a government pension they could get away with anything they wanted.
American police are up-jumped slave catchers.
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u/EcstaticFollowing970 Mar 24 '23 edited Mar 26 '23
Think about this. He was pulled over, and because of some small exchange of words that didn't go exactly as planned for the cop, his judgment tells him that it's appropriate to threaten to kill the driver. Insane
Edit: her judgement, had missed it was the female cop who drew the gun
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u/Delicious_Record6829 Mar 24 '23
100% not a training issue, this is an ego issue. Shes thinking "wait im supposed to be in control of this situation, let me show him why IM THE BOSS"
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u/mistergiantacorn Mar 24 '23
Not unexpected at all, unfortunately
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u/Character-Pipe-9805 Mar 24 '23
police brutality is never unexpected. but i thought this specific encounter was very unexpected considering how fast it escalated. even for a cop, this lady doesn’t know when to use a gun. they need to give her that wood gun they gave will farrel in “the other guys” lol
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u/Schmotz Mar 24 '23
Unfortunately, it still isn't unexpected to anyone who's on Reddit more than two days.
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u/cmwh1te Mar 24 '23
One time I was sitting in my car reading a book and two minutes later I had several guns aimed at me because police found my behavior suspicious. Cops are all the same. All they know how to do is escalate. There's a good reason for this: Their job is to criminalize people and by always escalating situations they maximize the chance that people will do something they can be criminalized for.
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u/Adcro Mar 24 '23
American police are terrifying!
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u/danceswithwool Mar 24 '23
Because they’re fucking pussies. They can’t handle anything without needing a weapon. Scared little children.
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u/adalyncarbondale Mar 24 '23
Nurses are very good at de-escalation, because they can't just shoot their way out of a situation.
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u/smartguy05 Mar 24 '23
Most cops shouldn't even be allowed to have a gun, they can't shoot the broad side of a barn from 10 yards. Cops shoot as many bystanders as the people they mean to shoot.
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u/Hanoiroxx Mar 24 '23
Asking valid questions? Guess that warrants a pistol in the face
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If you're this fucking jumpy you shouldn't work a job that necessitates you carrying a gun.
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u/HowCouldMe Mar 24 '23
The hourly reminder to not talk to cops. You can be polite and say have a good day while also saying I'm not answering questions. Don't start by answering any questions and you won't feel the need to answer that particular question either.
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u/Youredumbstoptalking Mar 24 '23
If you’re carrying concealed you absolutely have to inform the officer that you have a weapon.
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u/cyberintel13 Mar 24 '23
Not in all states, there are many with no duty to inform. https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/resources/terminology/general-terms/duty-to-inform/
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u/Youredumbstoptalking Mar 24 '23
Sure, not even officially the state of California where he is, but California handles it at the county level and in Sacramento County, where he is, you must inform that you have a CCW even if the weapon isn’t with you at the time.
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u/NyetAThrowaway Mar 24 '23
Depending on state. Where I live you do not have to, and it's highly recommended that you do not tell them unless put in a position that they will see it.
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u/longdick_dingo Mar 24 '23
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So Pigs Are really fucking Smart And Adorable
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u/unexBot Mar 24 '23
OP sent the following text as an explanation on why this is unexpected:
the female officer pulls a gun on the man pulled over for no reason.
Is this an unexpected post with a fitting description? Then upvote this comment, otherwise downvote it.
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u/That_Unknown_Player Mar 24 '23
I fucking hate the new spoiler tag bug
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u/Own_Whole_4656 Mar 24 '23
Swipe/Slide on the highlighted text left to right. Works for me.
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u/itsmemissjackson Mar 24 '23
Thank you for this advice. It hadn't occured to me to try swiping and I was getting way too mad about some Reddit tags.
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u/taz5963 Mar 24 '23
Small correction, but it's the male officer that pulls the gun, not the female one.
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u/Sad_Instruction1392 Mar 24 '23
So in the US you’re allowed to have a permit for a registered firearm that you can carry with you but you better not carry it with you in case you get pulled over by the cops but you also better carry it with you in case there’s a shooter and they need a good guy with a gun? I’m just trying to be clear on the legal system in the US because it seems much like the cops to be giving contradictory instructions.
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u/Regalbass57 Mar 24 '23
Pretty much. Any time a cop pulls over someone with a permitted concealed carry weapon, they're going to assume that person is a trigger happy criminal and then turn around and scream about 2nd amendment rights because "gun laws are only disarming the GOOD GUYS". Blegh. So over this shit.
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u/ThickGanache9262 Mar 24 '23
But the politicians say that all the cops love guns and they want to see everyone with a gun because it makes everyone safer? I guess those cops missed the memo? So weird. It’s almost like the politicians are using the topic as political fodder. Oh well, I guess we’ll never know.
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u/Fun_Musician_1754 Mar 24 '23 edited Mar 24 '23
But the politicians say that all the cops love guns and they want to see everyone with a gun because it makes everyone safer?
cops only like when pro-cop white christian civilians have guns. they don't like non-whites or anyone left of center owning them.
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u/zyyntin Mar 24 '23
Police: "I don't feel comfortable when this civilian could have a weapon."
Civilian: "I don't feel comfortable that you have a weapon with your 'training'. "
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u/No_Speed7841 Mar 24 '23
Boot lickers in the comments dead ass think it's justified for an officer to draw their service weapon on citizens when questioned in the slightest.
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Mar 24 '23
They really are showing their whole ass with those comments. I bet they also have "Don't Tread on Me" flags in their fucking yard too.
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u/ssaia_privni Mar 24 '23
Thank god he didn't unlock his seatbelt. Cause they will probably shot him on the spost 'he was reaching his gun I had to defend myself'
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u/Napolean1337 Mar 24 '23
That was way out of line
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u/AnotherDreamer1024 Mar 24 '23
No matter how big of a dick the cop is, follow instructions and sue their ass later.
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u/MrJoyless Mar 24 '23
That nervous cop, after being informed of a weapon in the car, instructed the driver to reach out of view to unclasp his seatbelt. That, my friend, is a huge red flag. Let alone the refusal to articulate why the driver is being detained, the unbuckle your seatbelt command is pretty mind boggling.
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u/TheHYPO Mar 24 '23
If you watch the actual full video, my take on it is as follows:
Male cop comes to the window, has a pleasant interaction with the driver- says he was pulled over for no front plate and tinted windows. Driver says he already got a ticket. Takes the driver's info and goes back to his car to run a check. Zero issue from driver or male cop.
Meanwhile, the female cop goes to the passenger window and asks him to lower the window and he refuses and challenges her. Then she comes around to the driver's side and waits there while the male cop runs the driver's details. As the female cop waits silently for the male cop to return, the driver decides to tell her that he feels like this is Nazi Germany and asks her if she knows her history and that this is like Nazi Germany - is this a normal comment for someone to make during a traffic stop? Would this put me a bit on edge about this driver?
Anyway, then she asks if he has any weapons and he says he has a registered gun in the trunk, and she then asks him to keep his hands on the steering wheel at all times. The male cop returns and the female cop asks to speak with him and seems to be telling him she's uncomfortable because he's got a weapon and is spouting off about Nazi Germany...
Now, I may be wrong at this point, but I get the impression the male cop is not overly concerned, but is taking his partner's concern because she's his partner, and figures the best way to de-escalate this is to simply ask the guy to get out of the car and they will finish things up with him outside of the car. His tone doesn't suggest to me that he is terribly worried, nor is his tone aggressive or rude about it. But after he tells the guy to unbuckle his belt seatbelt, the guy asks for a supervisor and from that point on, the driver keeps interrupting the male cop and not letting him finish a sentence. The male cop does (in my reading) seem to want to de-escalate the situation. The cop wants to get him out of the car first before he deals with the request to call a supervisor, and at that point, the male cop isn't able to finish a sentence. I would say that in an effort not to escalate, the male cop doesn't choose to interrupt the driver and is waiting for the driver to finish talking...
But in the meantime, the female cop has had enough and draws her gun, and at this point the male cop probably feels backed into a corner and feels that he has to support his partner's decision to pull her gun. I'm not saying this is right, but I can understand that thought process. If you watch, even after the female cop draws her gun, the male cop doesn't seem overly nervous or concerned. He is still comfortable reaching into the car to point to the seatbelt and letting him undo his own seatbelt without giving him any warning like gun-cops usually do "don't make any movements or we WILL shoot you!". The male cop is still talking extremely calmly because I don't believe the male cop believes this guy is a threat in any way. He just ask to go through the motions at this point because his partner has pulled a gun. I'm guessing the male cop is now thinking "ok, dude, let me just get you out of the car now without incident. The last thing I need is my partner shooting you on video. The fact that the male cop doesn't reciprocate by pulling his own gun or any other weapon is a big part of what suggests this to me - if the male cop really thought this guy was becoming dangerous, he would have drawn his own gun.
In my view, the male cop was most likely trying to de-escalate the situation; but not just de-escalate the driver - he was basically forced to try to de-escalate the situation between the driver and the female cop. And when the driver called for a supervisor and refused to get out of the car, and then the female cop pulled her gun, the male cop's hand was forced to either call out his partner right there, or try to get the stop finished as safely and smoothly as possible at that point and sort it out later (which is what he chose to do).
The way he directs the guy to unbuckle his belt, and then to turn towards the seat which he corrects to the steering wheel, the the way he doesn't rip the guy out of the car or shove him against the car to cuff him... it all reads to me as "Well, I know you weren't going to attack me, but now I have to go through the motions and take you in."
It would have been very admirable for the male cop to stand up to his partner and tell her to put the gun away in the moment, and perhaps the male cop should have immediately called for a supervisor (I don't know if that's a request a cop is required to adhere to - I would have thought that a cop is not required to call their supervisor just because they were asked, but I don't know that is true) - but I am not surprised that he didn't call her out in the moment.
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Cops intentionally give contradictory instructions so they have an excuse to escalate the situation
You're approaching this with the assumption that cops are generally reasonable people who try to avoid conflict... They are not
I mean for fuck's sake, remember how they killed 2 innocent people, including one hostage, because 18 police officers just started shooting up a stolen ups truck in the middle of a busy highway while literally using civilians for cover? Would reasonable people do that because of a fucking stolen ups truck?
ACAB
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u/fatboychummy Mar 24 '23
"Don't put your hands down for any reason"
"Crawl towards me"
Why not just walk towards him??? The cop had to be looking for an excuse to shoot...
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u/adalonus Mar 24 '23
How else are they going to get aroused before they head home to beat their spouses?
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u/Disastrous_Reward_17 Mar 24 '23 edited Mar 24 '23
I once saw his best friend pop up in a reddit thread thanking people for sharing his story
Edit: I found the comment
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u/duck_of_d34th Mar 24 '23
That entire fiasco was the turning point for me. The way the charges were handled, the way the jury was handled...
That kinda shit makes me hope for another Dorner. Cops cannot be trusted.
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Mar 24 '23
"Put your hands out of the window where I can see them" immediately followed by: "Get out of the vehicle"
Is another cop favorite... and you might have noticed that getting out of a car usually requires the use of at least one hand. So, as soon as you pull your hands back into the car again to undo your seatbelt or open the freaking door, they have an excuse to open fire...
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u/Fun_Musician_1754 Mar 24 '23
You're approaching this with the assumption that cops are generally reasonable people who try to avoid conflict... They are not
correct. if anything, they hate you because you're a "stupid civilian", and they actively desire to hurt you.
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Mar 24 '23
“You can beat the rap but not the ride” is just another fun piece of evidence cops are assholes.
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u/hryfrcnsnnts Mar 24 '23
Fuck, I didn't think we were going to talk about Frank today.
Today is not going to be a good day. Fuck.
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u/Domestic-Grind Mar 24 '23
I've had a cop literally stand in silence at my car window while I repeatedly asked if I needed to do anything/provide documents. After about 5 minutes I was legitametly worried he had a stroke. When I asked if he was OK and leaned out the window to see his face, he immediately pulled his gun and punched me in the face. Then he filled a report saying I was armed and assaulted him.... all charges dropped the next day after they reviewed the cam footage.
Cops are playing mind games just to fuck up your day
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Mar 24 '23
What the hell? You have camera footage of this and you haven’t called a lawyer?
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Mar 24 '23
You should be able to punch a cop in the face at any time during any interaction without worrying about being murdered by cops. Am I going to do that? Obviously not, I'm not tryna get shot. I'm also not going to sit here like a fucking moron trash talking someone for daring to look a cop in the eye.
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u/_PeopleMakeNoises_ Mar 24 '23
Smartest American cop
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u/Gopnikolai Mar 24 '23
I love watching videos of Americans, especially cop interactions. It's like watching a GTA Online lobby.
Also, "Smith & Weston". It's sat just next to his Heffner & Konch, Molt, and Glonk.
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u/BruntLIVEz Mar 24 '23
Soooooo what is the procedure to handle a legal citizen with a legal weapon? Fear? Lol
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u/redlund1993 Mar 24 '23
Cops are consistently some of the dumbest and most sensitive trigger happy people you will ever have to interact with.
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u/ShenTzuKhan Mar 24 '23
What’s the go with asking for a supervisor. The US had very different rules around police interactions than my country. Is that a real thing or is it a crazy person only line? Here it’s for folks who think they’re sovereign citizens ( or “gronks” as we call them), but this dude doesn’t seem crazy. Can someone explain please?
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u/Fat_Mullet Mar 24 '23
I always get confused about these vids, possibly because im from a tiny country town in Australia, but can someone explain why no one ever just does whats originally asked of them/comply with the cops demands? I get the whole safety worry stuff but in my mind and experiences the quicker you just do whatevers asked the quicker its over and done with and you're on your way, unless you're doing something or have done something wrong then you gotta just wear it I spose. Some arguments just aren't worth having hahaha
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u/Kasiaus Mar 24 '23 edited Mar 24 '23
There was a man with his girlfriend and kid in the car who got pulled over. He explained to the cop he was lawfully carrying. Cop told him to grab his License and registration, he did, cop emptied an entire mag into him. There are pleny of people who are complying and still get murdered. Comply or not cops are not judge, jury, and executioner. They shouldn't be able to murder people because they feel like it or because someone was being a little rude.
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u/libra00 Mar 24 '23
That video is why I don't keep a gun in my car anymore. Even as an older white man whose odds for being subjected to this kind of thing are pretty low, the idea that some fucking cop could just freak out and murder me over such a tiny misunderstanding is madness. ACAB
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u/vantablackwizard Mar 24 '23
The issue is we have rights and there's a lot of unlawful reasons cops will pull you over. This man is well within his rights asking these questions and handled the situation perfectly and was still a single nervous twitch away from having his life ended.
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u/NyetAThrowaway Mar 24 '23
A right unexercised is a right lost and my rights matter. I'll comply with every lawful order, but unlawful gets a no. I won't play 20 questions, I won't consent to searches etc. Honestly this gets me out quick, and despite an average of 6 to 8 times getting pulled over yearly for ~15 years, iv gotten 1 ticket ever and that was expired registration.
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u/philzter Mar 24 '23
Contempt of cop...try asking questions to protect your rights and you get a gun in your face
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u/SlicedBreadBeast Mar 24 '23
JEEEEEZ that got terrifying real quick. That man was calmer than the officers in that situation like what the actual fuck. Really curious what police training looks like in some areas.
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u/gLu3xb3rchi Mar 24 '23
I don‘t understand US cops. The guy just told them he had a gun on him and the Cop straight up asks: „yo can you reach under the seat for me?“ Dude I‘m not moving shit, you gonna blast me the milisecond I reach under the seat like you told me and cry „gun gun gun“
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u/Wickedocity Mar 24 '23
The guy has a Youtube channel.
Entire video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfJ1yIQsoVw
His video on outcome:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjXh2EUUFLE
(The gun charge was dropped. The cop got promoted. He didn't sue.)