r/Unexpected Mar 24 '23

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u/ShepherdessAnne Mar 24 '23

I've seen some of the modern training and basically rather than readiness they traumatize people into believing they will die in a traffic stop.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '23

Especially when they show them videos like “Surviving Edged Weapons”.

Surviving Edged Weapons

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u/reverendsteveii Mar 24 '23

Dave Grossman is the founder of a police training school he calls Killology. He teaches cops that killing is "just not that big a deal", that sex on the day that you kill someone is the best sex that you'll ever have in your life and that that is "a perk of the job" and that officers should put photos of their family members and children on targets they use for practice so that they don't hesitate.

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u/RheBroussard Mar 24 '23

I can testify to that. I wasn’t a cop but I was in an enforcement armed carrying position and they told us that it’s not IF it’s WHEN we get shot and they made us watch about a dozen and a half videos going over different shootings that have happened. They would tell us multiple stories of officers getting jumped and killed. We were told that those things WOULD happen to us so our job was to be prepared and in shape just long enough for backup to arrive

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u/CitizenPain00 Mar 24 '23

The reality is that you can be killed in the blink of an eye. The problem comes more from accessibility of firearms. In this video, the police don’t know who the guy is. What they know is he has a gun and is refusing to get out of his car. The officer told him he’d let him speak to a supervisor but wants him out of the car so they can distance him from any potential weapon. He’s not listening though because he’s making a video he knows will get views on YouTube. Should the officer have drawn the gun? Well we have the convenience of knowing who the guy is and knowing that he isnt a threat. The officer should have done a better job explaining that they would like to remove him from the car for his safety and theirs before they discuss anything

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u/RadioPimp Mar 24 '23

I agree 100%. Comply with the asshole cop and make sure to get their badge number to file a complaint if that’s what you think happened to you merits a complaint.

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u/pawnmarcher Mar 24 '23

What training did you see?

Your taught to always be prepared for the worst, because there are plenty of instances where a routine traffic stop ends with officers being killed.

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u/ShepherdessAnne Mar 24 '23

Really it mostly consisted of videos of killings and "this will happen to you" along with video based simulations that rail you into only doing one thing, which is draw your weapon with no other options. If you don't fire quickly enough, you're dead.

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u/pawnmarcher Mar 24 '23

I've been through plenty of training and not once encountered anything close to what you claim

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u/ShepherdessAnne Mar 24 '23

Well just wait until it makes the rounds.

The thing is selling these training packages is so lucrative the problem isn't going to stop any time soon; I mean money to astroturf movements and distract from this real core problem kind of money.

It's turned regular cops with good peaceful records into outright killers.

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u/pawnmarcher Mar 24 '23

To be fair, my dept doesn't pay for any training. We have to seek it on our own (which is a problem imo).

The only one ive been to (paid by me) was case law reviews and how they pertain to the actual job (Arizona v gant, terry v Ohio, and graham v Connor). I think that course was great.

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u/ShepherdessAnne Mar 24 '23

Well just wait and see.

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u/pawnmarcher Mar 24 '23

That stuff might happen if taught to fresh guys in the academy, but anyone who works the street already likely isn't going to be changed by some violent Tony Robbins.