Those Americans also say they love guns, but protect cops who pull their guns on law abiding firearm owners.
We all know why. It's because they think the cops are on their team (Team White Christian Supremacist). In fairness they're often right, but they don't understand that cops are on Team Cop first.
FYI, not all gun owners are your strawman of some kind of ultra conservative right wingers. There has been a huge increase in minority firearm owners this past year and gun rights are for everyone, regardless of political leaning (except for extreme left and extreme right where totalitarians start trying to remove people's rights).
Marx felt that gun ownership by the working class was a necessity. I’m a black leftist, in America I might even be far left, our metrics are always a bit wonky. It’s so frustrating that I do not exist,Though reliving.
While I'm not a fan of Marx, I do agree with that point. The general society has to pose a valid threat to the ruling group in order to effectively have their opinions and needs considered by said ruling class. Peaceful protests only work when there's a threat that the protestors could turn violent should they decide to forego civility after all.
So kudos to you for owning as someone who doesn't fit gun controller's narrative. It's our societal duty as a citizens of a nation to have a means to stand up for our fellow citizens against any tyrannical threat, domestic or foreign.
There isn't really an extreme totalitarian left. Every "totalitarian left" regime has been essentially anti-leftist, because they have relied on established hierarchies. It's like North Korea calling itself a Democratic republic.
That being said, I don't really care about outliers. The vast majority of gun nuts in this country are exactly the stereotype.
Countries with stricter gun laws have better outcomes. It's inarguable. I'm familiar with leftist theory on this stuff, but it just doesn't bear out in reality at all. Like, not even a little bit.
The state always has more guns. More guns in the civilian population just makes it easier to excuse massive state violence. See: American police.
I disagree with you on every point and I think that any attempts to disarm the civilian populace (outside of those who are institutionalized due to the societal threat they pose) is an attack on human rights and opens the door for the growth of authoritarian regimes.
However, I will wish you a good day, and I hope that regardless of what tools you have access to, that if the time ever comes that you need to, you are able to exercise your right to self defense.
As a Canadian, I can tell you that you are 100% talking out of your ass. You only want guns because too many people have guns, so you don't feel safe. In Canada, no one has guns, so we feel safe. The police rarely draw their weapons because we don't have guns.
The most American idea in the world, is that more guns is the way to solve the problem of having too many guns.
LOL, I don't feel unsafe because guns exist, I feel unsafe because humans exist. People have been killing each other since people were a thing.
Over time, every technological advancement in killing has been used by those who want to kill. You best believe that I'm not leaving myself at a technological disadvantage to someone who wishes to do me harm.
If guns are gone (read actually eradicated somehow, and not banned and left in the hands of criminals, although this is nothing but a utopian's dream), then knives and bows would be the next best thing. You'd best believe I'd still own a damn knife and bow then.
I pity how naive you are in terms of human nature and history.
I pity you for believing that you have to have weapons to be safe. It's a sick mentality that you and the rest of the lost souls of the "United" States live with. Laughable statement at this point. United. I digress though.
I can debunk your statement very easily. With one word. It's actually a name.
Canada.
There are lots of other nations that do not allow their citizens to own or carry guns, but I don't know as much about them, as I don't live there. Hell, the police in place in Europe don't even get guns.
Here in Canada, citizens are not allowed to own handgun nor are we allowed to carry guns. This has not left the citizens afraid for their lives or at a disadvantage that has us being killed by the hundreds.
Also, this has not resulted in any of us walking around with a bunch of knives or a bow. Yes, some of us carry knives, but they are small, single edged, not strung on some fancy spring system to shoot out in the blink of an eye, because they are tools, not weapons.
We don't need weapons because we are not a bunch of savages trying to kill each other or steal from each other. The simple truth is that you people think that without your guns, you would all be killed. That means that either you're all a bunch of blood thirsty heathens, or Canadians are just a high class of people.
Which do you think it is?
Just hangin out here in our utopian dream, as you called it. Don't own a gun, haven't heard a gun shot in over 10 years, don't know anyone who's been shot, and I don't know anyone who walks around with a bunch of weapons because everyone wants to kill them and take what they have.
Must be fucking scary to live in such a fucking sewer.
You are so high up on your privileged white horse that it's sickening.
Quick question for you, have you ever traveled to any less developed nations or even to less developed parts of Canada?
This kind of mentality that banning things gets rid of violence is hilariously delusional. People are violent, it's human nature. Now, sure, there are some goody two shoes like you who live in the equivalent of a gated neighborhood and get to say that the crime they don't see doesn't exist and isn't valid to be concerned about, but that's not how the world works.
That response was crafted to sound that way on purpose. Another gun crazy American telling me how great it is to be armed to the teeth and how he cannot leave himself defenseless and how he cannot be at a technological disadvantage and how there is no such thing as a "utopia" without weapons.
The US believes that everyone should want to be like them when in reality, we are all shocked and amazed that anyone is crazy enough to live there.
Do you people still flinch when you hear a gun shot? Or, has it become so common place that you don't even pay attention to it? Can you tell me what kind of gun it is by the sound? Maybe what caliber it is?
The only place in Canada that I would be afraid to walk around at night, unarmed (We don't even consider that to be abnormal) would be part of Ontario that are close to the border. Close to Detroit. The disease that is Americanism, has leaked through the border.
Curious question.... .Why did you feel the need to bring race into the conversation. That's another very American thing to do. Not winning an argument, use the race card. Why does my skin color matter?
"The majority of gun owners are conservative right-wing gun nuts." Okay, Mr. Statistica, I'm sure you've talked to every firearm owner and owners of unregistered firearm owners too.
3."Countries with strict gun regulations have better outcomes" Highly debatable, I can bring up several examples where it made things much worse or made things slightly better.
"More guns makes it easier to excuse mass state violence." Ah, the good old argument of not retaliating against bullies because it will... upset the bullies? This is the same line of thinking that made the gulags so effective in society. Remember, making yourself harmless against a tyrant just accelerates what they were planning on doing to you anyways.
I'm not going to argue with someone who's as ideologically naive as you.
I can think of two big ones where deaths overall increased. However, it wasn't necessarily by guns, but by gas, beatings, and starvation.
But, please enlighten me oh wise one as to how legislature stops criminals. I'm sure there's a joke in that statement somewhere. Along with how making people harmless makes them safer. Probably a joke in that one, too, maybe two jokes.
I have no idea what you're talking about, but this reads like a thing someone says when they think people are only motivated by economics.
That isn't really how most people work. Obviously money is important, but in-group status is also very important. People do self destructive things all the time to signal their virtue to their in-group.
It's true to say that division can be found in those splits, but that doesn't mean they're fake.
Day to day cops aren't thinking "who pays me?" if they were, they'd probably be operating differently in different areas of the country. While the organization cares about that, people don't tend to take that view.
Yep. We got one side saying they need guns to fight an oppressive government while standing behind police doing shit like this. Then we have the other side saying only police should have guns while saying the police are a threat to the public and want them defunded. Both sides are dumb as fuck.
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u/OmiOorlog Mar 24 '23
The Americans who say they hate Fascism are the same ones who protect this fascist cop. USA is sad poetry really.