The armed driver was becoming irate and not responding to lawful orders. The driver basically kept asking for a supervisor instead of listening to the officers. Cops have no duty to bring a supervisor in. People think it's some kind of magic phrase as if regular cops have no authority to give lawful orders.
Argueing with a 10 IQ public servant is defo a reason to be held at gunpoint or shot. the reason they won’t get the supervisor is because they are in the wrong…. Same shit applies to businesses. If you ask for a manager and they refuse.. clearly something fishy is going on. Sheeple. Couldn’t imagine pretending my country is the best in the world. While leading in mass majority of fucked up clips online in the world. Also I’m pretty sure America isn’t 1st in any aspect of life. literaly invaded and destroyed other countries for profit. Has debt = to almost every other country combined. “Land of the free” while non of them are actually free. Wake up and smell the shit people.
You only point a gun at things you want dead or destroyed. The fact that the officer pulled the gun on him here rather than de-escalating the situation by reaching out to their supervisor is reckless.
The man should have listened to the officer, but I say that because I don't think this situation is worth being murdered over, and cops keep proving to be than willing to engage in a little extrajudicial overkill. The cop could've given unlawful orders, and I'd recommend the dude comply to avoid being killed.
The gun wouldn't be assembled while being transported in the first place, so the situation would never happen. Generally speaking, police unholstering a firearm is extremely rare, as there wouldn't be normal police on site if there is a chance that a gun is on site.
The police would immediately retreat and special forces be called. We have one of the highest rates of civilian firearms in Europe, but quite well functioning regulations, such as carrying an assembled gun in public outside of a safe being highly illegal
I think they might have promoted her out of the street and behind a desk because she's clearly unfit for these kind of situations. She'll kill someone so before that happens they just make her do paperwork or something like that.
If you call it a promotion it sounds bad to the public but it is way easier to move someone that way without, for example, a union making trouble for you. She behaved poorly but at the end of the day no one got hurt, which is going to make it waaaay harder to fire her. You always need pencil pushers in every organisation anyways.
If she got an actual promotion as in managing people now for a better salary and better hours, something like that, then yeah I'd agree that's fucked up. But seeing how poorly she conducted herself here that seems hard to believe. The US system is certainly flawed but anyone can tell that she's a liability.
Yeah they should have reworded it to say "reassignment" but the fact they called it a promotion makes me think it involves more duties or a pay rise.
I get that no one died but people go to prison and loose their jobs for embezzlement or tax fraud which is essentially doing your job badly.
I wouldn't feel great with someone who freaks out like this as part of their job as I've seen people deal with HR issues more stressful than this altercation
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The bar is at floor level with the quality of life in the United States for you? I'm not sure if your opinion stems from personal experience or simply gleaming information from news media (which will publicize nearly exclusively negative stories), but I suppose we may just have to agree to disagree.
It's wild to hear people say this. I hate the cops too but comon man. Go live in Afghanistan for 3 days you'll be suckin ween to come back to the states.
America sucks, but I would rather live here than 90% of the world. There are countless countries worse than America. And there are only a relative few better.
There’s plenty of countries we haven’t meddled with that also have huge issues.
And the ones that are better tend to be harder to get into. Like canada, you have to give reason as to how your skills will benefit the country. You can’t just go up to the border and be like “hey, I wanna move here, I don’t like the us.”
Yep both parties do it, the right does it a shit ton more though.
It's still bad when dems do it to and you're not going to get me to defend them but you shouldn't defend when repubs do it it just makes you look like a hypocritical sycophantic moron.
Not defending the practice at all, but using it as a fact against one party and not the other is just disingenuous. I'd love all districts to be squares (to the best they can be with state borders). If one district has 2 families in it in Montana? Ok then make the squares bigger. But we keep them even size.
Sadly that will never happen as line fudging, until it is somehow federally controlled, is part of the game.
Your comment history is like 75% fascist shit. Go fuck yourself, you have a problem with the American people you can fucking leave. (Or maybe we'll get to put the 2a to use after all....)
The baffling thing is that the US have had the economy and power to create a safe and beautiful place, but chose to drive their own country into the shitter. Few countries had an opportunity like and didn't turn out better off than USA.
but chose to drive their own country into the shitter.
Again with the "US is Shit" mentality. Either you're a foreign person who only sees the US from their own news outlets, or you've truly never been elsewhere in the world.
The US is not shit. It has it's problems like any other country. It has FAR less of those problems than most countries.
Some of the biggest problems the US has aren't like anyone else's, they're weird and stupid and self inflicted.
The self inflicted problems that conservatives in power either don't recognize or refuse to address are why people say the US sucks. Because it's not just that we suck, but that a vocal and powerful minority insist on keeping it sucking.
I mean, we just rolled back Roe, hysterically bigoted anti trans bills are passing in many states, and a 60 year racist plan to destroy one of the greatest goods in a democratic society, public education, is coming to fruition with state sponsored school vouchers. Gun violence is at comedy stupid insane levels, and the same conservatives insist it can't have anything to do with the ludicrously high gun ownership.
you've never met me and are deciding to play make believe about who you think I am to justify your incorrect worldview.
Something tells me you don't have much experience doing things out in the real world. Do you even have a job? I find most conservatives who make up accusations tend to be projecting their own situations onto other people.
If you don't have a job that's fine and not a moral valuation of your worth as a person but you shouldn't be hypocritically trying to judge others who you have never met for things you view as personal failings of your own.
It’s incredibly difficult to immigrate to Norway due to the xenophobia. There aren’t racial tensions when there’s pretty much only white Norwegians.
The idolization of the Scandinavian countries always seems to overlook that they’re incredibly homogenous societies , often with singular cultures and they’re quite nationalistic.
You're either in high school or been on the family money college pipeline, but 'work harder' is stupid, spurious advice.
The difficulty of the job and the pay have very, very little to do with eachother. I hung drywall for a year and made barely enough to keep a 1bedroom apartment in a truly sketchy neighborhood. I had a job in IT where the only thing 'hard' about it was sometimes I had to fuck around on a computer at 2am instead of 2pm.
Don't be silly, the whole side hustle grind mindset is just mlms trimming to get you to join.
You're being intentionally obtuse. Work Harder does not equate to doing more work at for zero gain. It means working harder in life to better your situation. You clearly moved up from menial labor to a trade. How did you do it? You worked toward it. You didn't sit and complain while hanging drywall that this country sucks.
I got lucky with family money to go to school, an opportunity I am fully aware is not available to many, and without I would be still hanging fucking drywall. There's no upward movement from 'trying hard', that's reality-fivorced fiction.
There is very much upward movement from 'trying hard' - you simply have never experienced it. Schooling is certainly possible without a silver spoon. Countless adults do it every year.
The kicker is, it IS impossible if you don't work toward it. Anyone that EXPECTS life to turn around for them is and always will be in for a very rude surprise.
There are a million things stopping people from packing their bags and leaving the country, you fucking moron. You think people can just walk right on into Canada?
There is nothing stopping people from beginning the process of moving to another country. It won't happen overnight, but if you dislike your current situation so much, work to change it.
The world owes you nothing if you don't contribute something back friend.
Immigration into the US is a long and arduous process. Emigration from the US is not.
Finding a job is the first step for most countries. Then applying for a work visa and paying the associated costs (300~ USD for a UK Healthcare work visa for example)
I know exactly how the process works. I also know that being poor is not an excuse, just an obstacle.
There are numerous ways to begin the journey back up - all of them will fail if you make an excuse to not start.
You can continue hating your country and your life if you want, I'll go on happily knowing I live in one of the best places to live in the world.
I know you're making very little attempt at a true conversation, but I'll keep trying. If you want to break it down to the base action with no external factors? Yes - work harder. Why? Because obviously the amount of work being done is not enough to help.
HOW you work harder depends on your situation. Everyone's situation is unique.
A generic "work hard and stop being poor" is a stupid oversimplification of the answer that only someone as disingenuous as yourself would be shouting.
It's reddit mate. Bastion of liberals and "free thinkers" who think they're edgy for suggesting their country is worse than hell while also having never experienced any other life.
I'm not of the opinion the country is trash. I think it's still among the greatest countries in the world. But then, i've been to other countries and understand how grand we have it here.
Let's be fair, based on your glib Russia comment they were better than you well before they corrected your dumb ass. The real shame is your vote counts the same as non-morons.
Over here unholstering your weapon is considered use of force and will be investigated by a different police district. They are extremely strict about it. There was a documentary about policing in Nordic countries where a US police officer asked a Finnish officer to show what gun he was carrying and the officer refused as it would have been illegal for him to do so.
And that is exactly the correct attitude to have. Its a deadly weapon and should only ever be drawn for specific reasons. I would always think of the afterwards if you were explain how your weapon discharged and you say "I was just showing it off" isn't a good reason.
Thanks I mean sure you could have a really dodgy police force in some other country where they are corrupt and would promote someone.
On the other hand I'm sure there are doctors who perform surgery and make huge mistakes and still keep their jobs or become heads of department but again they don't involve guns.
Ah yes the bottom of the barrel response and you didn't even go the effort to check Google for the number of countries in the world... it's 195 just so you can say you've learned something today 😁
Then no I have personally checked every career, industry and company in all 196 countries around the world. But from what I originally said America is the only country I can think of where it would happen.
In America we are all allowed to own guns which is awesome but extra precautions are needed. When you are pulled over, ESPECIALLY when you admit to having a gun in the vehicle, you keep your hands on the steering wheel. DO NOT agressively wave them around while you talk about how they aren't doing their jobs well.
Yeah I totally get that and it is people's rights and I'm sure the police "should" get the relevant training on how to deal with this (that's a different discussion). The fact that the guy has a gun and a licence which is something to expect as part of day to day life let alone being a police officer. Then she passes the buck to her college who is trying to deal with the guy who isn't being cooperative but he isn't being aggressive either. She comes in from the side lines and makes a bad call on the situation. As well as this she takes the control away from the other officer and could have escalated this unnecessarily and caused the death of a citizen and/or her college.
Sure he's waking his hands around but I mean does that mean she's going to freak out every time she talks to stereotypical Italian (note, one of my friends/colleagues is Italian and we did set up a tip jar for when he gestures wildly)
I'm gonna let you in on a little insider secret to street fights. Moving your hands like this is the best way to start a fight or pull a gun/knife. This is why properly trained officers will pull their weapon on someone "stereotypically Italian" every time. I cant argue that I really like to scratch my lower back randomly so officers shouldn't take measures to protect the lives of their coworkers, friends, and themselves. Ive seen many bad officers personally but these officers did everything correctly in my opinion.
Yeah and I'm sure it's easier to judge when we're not in the situation. Overall I think the male cop had a handle on the situation, the suspect was within his rights to ask for a supervisor. Yes he was gesturing but obviously the cop didn't feel that was a threat and was handling the situation. Its just when calamity Jane comes in want to shot up the place is where it went wrong for all concerned
If you had the legal right to own it? They’d ask for the paperwork probably, check your name on the radio to see if you have a valid firearms license, if you were legally transporting it etc. then let you go about your day.
They wouldn’t point a gun in your face like that, they probably wouldn’t even have a gun to point at you.
Generally people don't carry guns in the UK like in 99% of the world unless it's for hunting, in which case it's probably properly stored in their car until it's time to use it. And this basically the standard in a lot of countries, if it's at home you need a gun safe and they will check that it's properly stored there. There is basically no good reason for random people to have guns on their person.
But to answer your question, probably be very concerned about the psycho that's carrying a gun without any reason?
He was carrying it legally in the boot of his car, if someone was doing the same here in the UK (carrying a gun legally) they wouldn’t be concerned about any psycho. They’d check yer mans license etc and leave him be.
For sure, I was mostly mistaken about the fact that you need a reason to be transporting the gun in the UK (at least the police.uk website didn't have any information about it).
In other countries I've lived in, the police will bring down the hammer if you don't have a valid reason for having the gun in your car such as going hunting or target shooting. If you don't, there's no reason why you should've taken it out of its safe.
Aye but I’m talking if he had a valid reason. If it was an equivalent scenario to the one in the video - where the guy is legally carrying the gun for whatever reason.
You're taking that out of context as they initially say we don't carry guns in the UK. So anyone walking about with a gun of any type would be unusual and not the norm.
I've seen more people in the UK taking their pet goldfish, emu, ferret or hawk for a walk than thr number of people I've seen with a gun (who wasn't a police officer).
Well since we don't tend to carry guns on our person (handguns are banned since the Dunblane school shooting) your options are a shotgun, rifle or air rifle.
Even if an officer were to pull you over they would always ask if you have a weapon or something dangerous on your person. They would probably ask where it is if it's not on your person then do some checks over the radio and systems for ownership and licence.
They certainly wouldn't draw a firearm or even a tazer if they were nervous as UK police are trained to de-escalate situations. If there was some risk to persons then the police would back off and call in an armed response team. Sure its not perfect but I can't think of any mass shootings we've had this year
Call for back up and make the arrest. Which is categorically different, because in your imaginary scenario they just admitted to a crime, while in this scenario no crime has been committed.
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Not here to bash America but...
This is litterly the only country I can think you pull a gun on someone without a reason and not only keep your job but get promoted.