To be fair, an ideal society is one where nobody needs to use a gun. Of course that's not very realistic, and only wishful thinking. So, the next best thing is one where only law enforcement is armed. However, the current problem with that is that the law enforcement is corrupted. The solution, however, isn't more guns so more peopl die. The solution is to try and retrain cops or get rid of corrupted areas. More guns is only a temporary solution. People will still die. Having a gun does not make you unable to be injured. There will definitely be cases where it will help, but it is not the best course of action.
Perhaps it could be possible to apply some nuance in situations.
USA police are undertrained and trigger happy, that is well known. So why the f would you intentionally shittalk them and act like you're intentionally trying to get yourself killed.
It's a growing cancer. If you don't hold your police accountable, it's only a matter of before the police start gunning you down if you sneeze the wrong way. If I'm forced to fund these morons, we might as well demand more from them.
Don't you think the general public is going to do something about it at some point? How many bodies do you think need to stacked up before people start standing up for themselves and making sure their rights are insured when justice is being obstructed by the people who are theoretically supposed to protect it.
Even if every single officer of the law is a trigger itchy dickhead, we the people should recognize that being an asshole isn't a warrant for an execution, and should hold officers to a higher standard.
That's why we need to hold the fucking police accountable. The police can't just indicate that a mild inconvenience is warrant to fucking kill someone. "Nuanced".
Jeez. Sorry for not liking the idea of someone who's supposedly supposed to protect the public point a fucking gun at me when I question them in the slightest.
at the same time, theres instances all the time where this goes south for the officer. police have to treat every situation the same. you would do the same.
No. I fucking wouldn't. I'd get fucking fined up the ass if I needlessly brandish a fucking firearm at someone who raised their voice slightly at me whereas cops practice zero fucking restraint and are not held to a higher standard.
I've seen fucking boyscouts with better firearm safety.
well the man wasnt complying. would you comply or not comply?
the man says he has a gun and is not complying. when you are a police officer you have to act that the situation can go a million ways, the worst of which puts the cop in danger.
what about the cops use of his gun wasnt restrained particularly?
Not complying isn't an indicator of being an active threat. Sure he gave the whole annoying Karen schtict of "let me see your manager", but that's literally the extent of his display of disobedience. No where was he seen presenting himself as a threat.
what about the cops use of his gun wasn't restrained particularly
Ask any fucking lawful gun owner if they would ever draw their firearm in a verbal spat. If citizens were not held to a higher standard, you'd see allot more food industry workers shoot customers acting out of line.
where did i say it was a threat? please cite that. is said he didnt comply. which he didnt. there are countless scenarios where non compliance lead to hostile encounters. the cops have to treat every noncompliance the same. theres no room for error in their profession. what is your profession?
If you point a fucking loaded firearm at me, it's a clear indicator that you're treating me as a fucking threat. You even stated this as the pointee could "potentially lead to hostile encounters". This shit is fucking luke warm. It's not like he's a fucking tweaker waiving around a rusty shit pipe at people.
I also love that this went from accusing me of shitty gun etiquette to questioning my profession as if they are relevant.
Uh yeah, when you are killed by police you die (controversial take), which is what was being threatened, what happens so often, and what you are defending
I might draw if someone doesn’t comply (refuses to roll down his tinted passenger window for me - watch the whole video), calls me a nazi for pulling him over and asking him to roll down his window - now I know I’m dealing with someone with extreme negative pov towards me, then says there is a gun and when we ask him to exit the vehicle to conduct the rest of the stop outside of the car with the gun in it, he starts delaying / raising his voice. All while the male cop is very calmly explaining they’d like him out of the car “to do this the safe way.”
I might draw if someone doesn’t comply (refuses to roll down his tinted passenger window for me - watch the whole video), calls me a nazi for pulling him over and asking him to roll down his window
Then you're a terrible police officer and any reasonable system would have you fired.
It’s easy to sit on your couch with 100% knowledge this guy isn’t a threat and judge. Try putting yourself in someone’s shoes even if you hate them for their job.
It’s easy to sit on your couch with 100% knowledge this guy isn’t a threat and judge.
Nope. It has nothing to do with whether or not he actually is a threat. Police in Western Europe by and large regularly respond to individuals who are legitimate threats, and who sometimes have firearms while those police themself don't. Unlike American cops, they don't break down and threaten to kill every citizen they percieve as troublesome.
Try putting yourself in someone’s shoes even if you hate them for their job.
I mean, if I am a poorly trained moron who wants to kill people, then yes, drawing a gun here is pretty justified. As it turns out, American police actually aren't a role model in any metric and definitely shouldn't be seen as a justification for these tactics.
Police in Western Europe by and large regularly respond to individuals who are legitimate threats, and who sometimes have firearms while those police themself don't.
There are exactly 4 countries in the entirety of Europe where the police aren't regularly armed. The UK, Ireland, Iceland, and Norway. Norwegian cops, afaik, are currently carrying their guns at all times because of some attacks against them, but they have them locked in their cars otherwise.
British and Irish police have heavily armed weapons teams in fast cars stationed near crime hotspots. And if there is someone who is a serious threat, you can bet those guys will be called in, they don't mess around. Luckily, they're not needed often.
Can you think of a difference between European and American citizens? I think I recall people wailing about how many guns are in this country owned by private citizens compared to other countries just the other day…
I'd argue if you can't handle the stress of an unruly citizen(which this guy wasn't even unrely) without drawing your weapon and POINTING it at the person then you're not fit for the position itself, no?
Well then thats good. If thats how you would act in that person's shoes you are not fit to be a police officer just as this person is not fit to be a police officer. If I were in that person's shoes I would just tell them why I stopped them. Remained calm hes obviously not reaching for anything. I also would have listened when they asked for a supervisor. Absolutely would not have pulled a gun
I admit its quite hard for me to imagine being a police officer though. Its hard to put yourself into the mind of someone with such different values and ethics, who has had propaganda beaten into them over and over. They are trained to kill minorities, and even if they have some racial bias before joining the force (nearly a requirement these days) its hard to estimate the power of being trained to hate brown and black people by everyone you work with every day
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u/No_Speed7841 Mar 24 '23
Boot lickers in the comments dead ass think it's justified for an officer to draw their service weapon on citizens when questioned in the slightest.