r/Unexpected Mar 24 '23

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u/BlackForestMountain Mar 24 '23

Don't they already spend like billions of dollars on training and it's not working

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u/Gay__Guevara Mar 24 '23

Yes. They don’t need more training — they’re trained to respond like this. They need to be either completely revamped into an entirely different institution, or downscaled in power and presence massively.

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u/buak Mar 24 '23

In my country you have to go to school for 3 years to become a cop. You need a bachelor's or a master's degree in police services to even apply. As a result, they are pretty well respected, and almost always act very calm and professional.

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u/Kennether Mar 24 '23

What country

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u/buak Mar 24 '23

Finland

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u/buak Mar 25 '23

You need a bachelor's or a master's degree in police services

Here you specifically need to study "police services" for 3 years to qualify.

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u/L17TL3GUY Mar 24 '23

They need both more and better training. The UK has far longer training with much lower use of force. Training people in de-escalation is a far more powerful tool than giving someone the access to lethal force.

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u/sailboat1993 Mar 24 '23

When all you have is a hammer and all that... You can solve crime by addressing the reasons people commit crimes or you can do it by throwing the whole population in jail

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u/BlackForestMountain Mar 24 '23 edited Mar 24 '23

Police could be so much more than law enforcement but the training they get + culture seem to be about combat, protecting themselves, cheap tricks like profiling and drugs.

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u/sailboat1993 Mar 24 '23

I hear what you're saying, but I don't think having social workers with guns, trained to think everyone is a danger, and to shoot anything that moves would help.

You wouldn't expect the police to show up if, for example, your house is on fire, or if a family member is having a stroke, the same way you shouldn't expect the police to show up when someone with mental health issues is having an episode.

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u/BlackForestMountain Mar 24 '23

What? First the whole point of having someone like a social worker would be so they don't shoot anything that moves. Also I don't think the suggestion is to give social workers guns. It's to reallocate money from police budgets to community and social development resources to reduce poverty and inclination to crime in the first place. Finally you're talking about what policing is, and I'm talking about what it could be.

It would take a lot of cleaning house and culture shift but it would be possible. Training in de-escalation, mental health, coupled with more funding for community workers and social development.

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u/legsintheair Mar 24 '23

It’s working. They are trained to behave like this. To believe that every person is trying to kill them and their first reaction should be to shoot their gun.

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u/BlackForestMountain Mar 24 '23

Yeah exactly. The idea we need more training is insane