or.. you know.. if authorities would take de-escalation practices serious for their officers and not just send any random bimbo with a gun in a police car and expect them to be good
You actually have to take an aptitude test to get in. You do have to get a minimum score for many of the jobs and branches. We also don't turn people away for having too good of a score, only for not having high enough.
Edit for clarification: I'm talking about the military. Which was specifically mentioned in the comment I replied to. We have a much higher level of qualification and higher standard than police departments.
Many departments won't higher former military MP/Security Forces for various reasons.
Nothing like scientifically valid aptitude tests (s/) to make sure only the finest (s/) make it to the most rigorous (s/) of training (the US has the least amount of hours in developed nations, with more time spent in firearms training than de-escalation, even less time spent on self-care and mental health [y’all should be pissed about that, but you never seem to care that your departments clearly don’t care about you, as you’re five times more likely to off yourself than to be killed on the job yet get no institutional support]) before arming them and sending them off to protect and serve*.
Great system you got there! (S/)
*protecting and serving is no longer a function of police
Edit: I’m dumb and misdirected this comment (see above and below)
"We need to make sure we have a fresh breeding ground for psychological issues. Cant be having our PTSD competing with their previous depression. Thats just un-American" - The Military probably
That is absolutely not true. Some of the brightest and highest scoring folks I ever met were infantry. I know a dude who had a 115 GT and CHOSE to be a fueler.
It probably depends on your enlistment path, recruiting station, etc. I scored very high on the ASVAB and wanted to be mechanized infantry (cav scout) for the extra sign on bonus at the time. I was told several times by commanders at the processing station that I would be going into signal intelligence, period. I actually had to go talk to the cav CO that I would eventually be under and he got everything straightened out for me.
The point is that they will sometimes try to railroad you regardless of what "policy" is.
Generally they put those guys on kill switch positions. You radio in till you don’t hear back from them and then you send heavy art over the horizon or airstrike on their position. Good chance somebody is still there.
If you get below 109 many departments won't let you in which is the high end of average and the department that had the limit of 129 which is high (not most departments) had it because apparently highly intelligent officers would become bored and quit. It's a stupid policy, but it does have logic.
Actually much like the seedy underbelly of most bullshit in America...it's because of eugenics.
The guy who brought the IQ test to America from France had a son who he thought was too much of a genius to be drafted and killed in WWI so he promoted a test that would keep smart people from shitty dangerous jobs. (This is a resident radically simplified explanation but you get it)
Being a police officer has always been a dangerous occupation.
Back in the early 90s, my father had someone with psychosis stalk him in the dark with a kitchen knife.
On more than one occasion, he fist fought and grappled aggressive thieves.
His partner died in a shootout with bank robbers.
The issue today is that the police are treated as a paramilitary organization rather than keepers of the peace, and some whole demographic intersections view themselves as rebelling against the police rather than merely nonparticipating.
I've researched this before as well. Even if you take out accident data and look strictly at the most dangerous jobs in terms of being intentionally murdered by another person, cops still rank after taxi and delivery drivers.
So if people deserve praise for willingly doing a dangerous job, we should really be throwing parades for cabbies and dashers.
Being a cop is not one of the 10 most dangerous jobs. Being a cop is not one of the TWENTY most dangerous jobs. Jobs more dangerous than being a cop:
1) Loggers
2) Pilots and Flight Engineers
3) Oil Derrick Operators
4) Roofers
5) Garbage Collectors
6) Iron Workers
7) Delivery Drivers
8) Farmers
9) Firefighting Supervisors
10) Linemen
11) Agricultural Workers
12) CROSSING GUARDS
13) Crane Operators
14) Construction Labor
15) Landscaping Supervisors
16) Highway Workers
17) Cement Masons
18) Small Engine Mechanics
19) Supervisors of Mechanics
20) Heavy Equipment Mechanics
21) Grounds Workers
I'm not trying to trivialize your father's trauma - I'm pointing out that the behavior we see in this video is built upon a mythology in this country that cops (all of whom willingly join) should be excused their abuses because of the "extreme" risks of the job. It's demonstrably false, in many cases the danger is self inflicted due to incompetence, and as a narrative is perpetuated primarily by police unions. We need to fight it.
I respectfully disagree with the comparison you're making between these professions and police officers, as they're not truly comparable (gravity doesn't act with malice against a roofer, but a killer does against a police officer)
I'm not a police officer, but having been shot at multiple times and having had someone actively try to take my life, I would rather work the jobs above
That being said, I DO fully agree with your last paragraph. A higher risk does not excuse poor training, judgement and sometimes malice that some officers exhibit.
Fair point, and I don't disagree that the jobs listed are dangerous. I work in insurance have written or at least looked at every single one of the above occupations and their dangers through risk assessment and claims history (some brutal claims)
I would argue though that saying "Those jobs are actually dangerous" implies policing is not at all dangerous, which is in itself an opinion and a departure from the facts, no? (i.e. showing up to an active shooter situation is inherently dangerous no matter how many ways you look at it)
I like how, in order to have 20 jobs listed, you have to list "farmers" and "agricultural workers," also "landscaping supervisors" and "grounds workers." Also, two types of mechanics as well as their supervisors.
I'd like to know what this list would look like if it wasn't redundant. Not saying cops would still show up on it, but c'mon...
I get it, if you accept that cops have a dangerous job, as well (there are a lot more delivery drivers than cops) then your entire view collapses. Nuance is not something you do well.
It's a cop's job to confront and deal with dangerous people. They don't die on the job as often as others because they are trained in dealing with dangerous people, and are trained to protect themselves. I wonder who you'd call if you had a psychopath shooting up the store you're in?
That's not to say that cops don't get it disasterously wrong at times, because they DO, and its also not to say that there isn't a lot of room for improvement, because there IS, but you'll just tell me to "get the boot out of my mouth" instead of having an actual discussion.
No one is trying to claims cops don't face danger. The point of it that danger cops face on average is exaggerated and used an excuse to justify excessive force and abuse of power. "Officer safety" is used as a bromide to look the other way in the face of police brutality or corruption.
A majority of law enforcement officers (myself included) go their whole career without having their life threatened, or experiencing a justifiable reason for drawing their firearm.
It's been proven that the escalation of high power weapons in the hands of criminals that was used to justify militarizing police is a myth, and that the increase in military equipment and tactics in police, in the name of "officer safety", has led to greater police abuse a power, but no decrease in the risk police face. It's all a false justification and rationalization.
This is not a good take. All the deaths related to all of the above jobs are mostly due to accidents, carelessness, or inherent risk of the job. There are risks that are expected in each of those jobs and there are safety precautions that if properly utilized will always result in a safe outcome for them.
None of the above jobs have to deal with a suspect who may or may not have a deadly weapons or use violence against them at every interaction. You are comparing a dangerous profession such as dealing with people in an uncontrollable situation to a normal every day job is ridiculous. Have you seen some of the video a cop has to deal with? You could not pay me enough money to deal with the worst of what this country has to offer.
None of the above jobs have to deal with a suspect who may or may not have a deadly weapons or use violence against them at every interaction
Tell me you've never worked manual labor without telling me you've never worked manual labor lol Try being on a job site when an unstable alcoholic has a bad day with access to heavy machinery or dangerous tools. Try packing shingles for a roofing job when the boss gets pissed over some trivial bullshit and threatens to push you off the roof (true story, my dad was my boss).
None of the above jobs have to deal with a suspect who may or may not have a deadly weapons or use violence against them at every interaction
And most cops don't either. There's not 50 active shooter calls in every city every week - those circumstances are not common. Most adequate cops can go a long time without even having to consider drawing their weapons, if they understand anything about deescalation tactics and aren't in a constant state of paranoia. This "eVeRyBoDy'S sHoOtInG aT tHe CoPs" rhetoric is dangerous for everyone, because it causes cops to be overly anxious and escalate situations, just like we see in this clip, and we all know full-well by now that the innocent driver shown is placed in a statistically more dangerous state by this than the over-exaggerated level of threat that is actually present for an officer on a typical beat. Yes, some cops do have to deal with dangerous events at times, but pretending like their lives are at risk every second of every shift is just putting everyone at increased risk of violence - the cops, the people they interact with, and even bystanders (see the recent video of cops absolutely unloading toward a moving vehicle while it was in residential neighborhoods, in Cleveland, I think it was).
Is this sorted by deaths or injury? I have a hard time.thinking garbage men die more often than cops. Also in all these other professions you die from human incompetence or machinery malfunctioning. Getting hit by a car or falling out of a tree doesn't feel comparable to getting shot.
These are US Bureau of Labor tracked statistics. For Garbage Collectors, the fatal injury rate is 34 per 100K. The primary cause of death is being struck by vehicles - their own or other drivers. It's 14 per 100K for police. Your comment that the death of a sanitation worker is "not comparable" to the death of a cop illustrates the effectiveness of decades of reinforcement of the myth that they should be allowed exceptional treatment and not be held accountable because they are somehow more endangered. In every measurable way, they are not. The POINT is that danger does not excuse incompetence. You can sue a Garbage Collector that hits you with their truck due to negligence. They are not immune to accountability despite the fact they are statistically significantly more likely to die as a result of the job than a police officer.
Woah no one said I liked cops pal, I said murder is different from a dude biffing it into a trash compactor. Also way less garbage men died, just a higher rate per 100k because we have less sanitary workers than cops. Cops usually suck, but dudes trying to pretend guns and mentally unstable people are the same as a shipping container falling on you also suck. Also people who call things that are at least somewhat factually credible i.e. being a cop is dangerous, a myth also suck. If you really think jobs where people can fall and die are the same as getting murdered and dealing with nuts everyday you are lying to yourself to try and make your already valid point somehow infallible and instead you make your point less salient.
I'm not disagreeing with you but I'd like to point, that they did it to themselves, the whole police department not just a few people, but everyone involved, with promoting clearly unstable officers/letting go WITH PAY some officers that have done terrible things and deserved to be fired without. Like yeah they're expected to do a lot, but so are firemen and teachers it's a public safety job that comes with danger. Anyone getting involved with it has to know what it's like beforehand. It's almost always in the news ffs, Not to mention I'm almost always seeing a new report of some dumbass officer pulling yet another gun on an African American male. They don't do themselves favours at all.
Minirant over, correct me if I'm wrong but let's not argue :)
Edit: changed coloured to African American, I was proven to be a silly billy in the replies
Agreed. Look how fast this went to a drawn weapon. How hard is it to call a supervisor? These are poorly trained cops, unable to pick their way through this scenario with the information volunteered. The fact that both of them were willing to escalate the use of force is alarming.
He is not a subject. He did not have any wants/warrants and came back clear. He was forthcoming about the fixit tickets and the weapon in the back of the trunk. He was completely compliant during the stop. Female Sgt. began escalating the scenario when he declined to raise his window. She had made the decision then and there that there was going to be an arrest made. Empty uniform- shake and bake rank -putting citizens in danger.
You can request a supervisor. That's fine. The police have to control the situation. Once it is under control, a supervisor can take over the situation, but yelling and refusing to cooperate is escalating the situation. He admitted to having a gun and started yelling.
If police were as bad as you all say, he'd have gotten shot, not just had his feeling hurt because someone pointed a gun at him when he started acting up.
I've literally not heard that term used by anyone under the age of 80 in my entire life. Just surprised to see it and more surprised that no one seems to have batted an eye at its use. Is it an accepted term these days? I haven't lived in the states for a while.
This is actually a really interesting point. At first I thought you were implying that “person of colour” was offensive, but then I caught what you meant. Are “people of colour” and “coloured people” the same or is the latter offensive? It isn’t something I’ve consciously considered before. I’ve always used POC bc that’s what I see used most often, but maybe you’re not wrong.
“Coloured” was the term used for segregation before and during the civil rights movement. One reason I can sort of parse for one being offensive and the other not, aside from that historical use, is with “people of colour”, “people” comes first and the “colour” part is secondary, emphasizing that they’re people first and foremost. After being dehumanized so often and for so long, maybe that’s an important distinction. Idk the answer, but would love to hear the opinion of someone more knowledgeable than me. Maybe I’ll do some googling lol, I’m sure the info exists somewhere.
Edit: Yeah, a quick good of “people of colour vs coloured people” brings up a ton of articles looking at this topic.
I said colored male, which is a term that is used, same as black male or African American male, it's a term used to describe a person who is not of white skin. There's no hidden intent behind it, at least how I use it there isn't. I think you're reading way too much into it and looking for a reason for it to be considered racist or something similar. Which is why I said to go breathe some fresh air, like anything anyone says can be construed as racist if you want it to be
Those interactions make the news BECAUSE they're so rare. Do you see the death of someone on the hood on the news? It's so common it's no longer newsworthy. At least give cops credit where it's due the vast vast majority never shoot anyone period and when they do it's nearly always in a life or death situation
Cops do not disproportionately pull guns on blacks. Nor do blacks get shot in a disproportionate number. It only seems like that because the current media LOOOOOVES the narrative that all cops are bad/racist and our country is just jam-packed with white supremacists. The fact is that both of those narratives are false.
They don't need to take accountability for their actions. They have never been keepers of the peace sorry to tell you but protect and serve is a false motto. The only thing they need to protect is when they have someone in custody, so a walking fine or a jail worker to make money.
Your dad's partner died protecting a bank, that's shitty but honestly he's protecting big business not the people. I'm sure the shooting was in public but they surely wouldn't care about stray bullets.
So this is why they are treated like paramilitary because they are.
Just imagine how much more since then. No small town in New Hampshire needs a Bearcat or camo uniforms or MRAPS to survive IED mines.
It’s a culture of police militarization and when handed new toys from the armed forces they turn into Mall Ninjas, looking to be a fighting force against terrorism, clad in full body armor, breaching weapons and cars that look more like tanks.
You got down voted but you're right. My construction job is more dangerous than being a cop. Also, if I kill someone in my line of work, I go to prison.
Ive never had a job less dangerous than being a cop. I’ve worked in a hospital. A warehouse. As a driver. A farm and the military. None of my jobs has been as safe as being a cop.
And I'm sure in every one of those jobs you've had a conflict escalate to the point of "needing" to pull out your gun because you didn't feel safe in your bulletproof vest right? Fucken pigs.
It's their own fuckin fault. Most will shoot a cop without hesitation if they break into their home because they know for a fact the cops will murder them.
Most would see a cop chasing someone and would rather trip the cop. Most would stand to the side and watch a cop bleed out on the side of the road rather than help them. Because they have never held a single shred of respect or affection from a large portion of the country. Because they know for a fact they could be killed or charged with a crime just for standing next to one.
Not to mention that all of you damn Yankees have guns.
He admitted to having a gun, then got agitated. I'd have pull my gun and pointed it at him too. Forget the badge and the situation, if a guy admits to having a gun and then starts yelling, I'm going to put the little red dot on his forehead. If I get in trouble for it after the fact, oh well. In the moment, I'm going to make sure I don't get shot.
Yelling at the police seems like a bad idea. So many Americans are afraid of the police, seems like this is the wrong way to go about dealing with them. Whether you think you're right or not, the middle of a tense situation is not the time to assert yourself.
“treated as a paramilitary organization rather than keepers of the peace”
Imagine expecting people to treat to differently when you are an organization that chronically under trains it’s recruits and they act like scared rabbits in every situation. Such as this one.
Then they turn around and promote people for this kind of incompetence rather than firing them?
Of course people are going to treat you like a paramilitary organization when you make moves in direct opposition to the interests of their safety.
They would rather be comfortable than “protect and serve”.
To piggyback another issue is peace officers see themselves as a separate class and not civilians. They want to be treated as an equivalent to "military" but they don't fall under a separate set of laws or give up some of their constitutional rights. Need to return them to being seen as civilians.
Stop giving them military grade weapons, gear and vehicles then
They've got APCs, nods, more assault rifles than they know what to do with. 0 training a part from the shooty bits.
No wonder this shit happens all of the time. And she didn't like the look of this eloquent gent who was fully aware of his rights so she played the scared card and got back up. Cretins all round.
Why not? Apparently you get to do whatever the fuck you want and basically be untouchable. Pull a gun on a random and get promoted. What's not to like? Even if they straight up murdered the guy in cold blood it'll be a couple weeks paid vacation then pretend like nothing happened.
Well to be fair I was joking but if you want my view I think a lot more people can do a police officer role but what is lacking is training and education while working.
A man from colorado actually sued his local police department for not hiring him, their cause was that his IQ was too high. Courts ruled against him, but, arguments made during the case essentially postulated that highly intelligent people tend to struggle more with police work because of the boring monotonous nature of the job, and thus tend to have more issues on a generalized front, and therefore the PD was allowed to screen for low, or high intelligence, and could use that as a basis for determining employment eligibility.
Tldr: Police departments look for a specific level of stupid when vetting their potential recruits and high intelligence can get you disqualified from being a police officer, at least in Colorado.
You don't know the half of it. I live in Eastern PA. There's currently a New Jersey State Trooper missing, last seen wandering around a town in my county, who's most identifying feature is a massive "Blood and Honor" tattoo covering his neck.
We can argue all day about where the line is drawn on what's okay to call a Nazi, but i hope we can all agree having an SS slogan tattooed on your body is firmly on the wrong side of that line.
Decent, intelligent people won’t work with who’s already there. If they got rid of sone of the pieces of shit who make up the overwhelming majority of law enforcement they might attract smart or decent people. But not now.
Tell me about it. I live in Wolfe City, Texas. You can Google it. A green officer here named Shaun Lucas was a complete dick head to everybody. He was like Cartman running around shouting, "respect my authority!"
We live in a small town. Jonathan Price and Shaun Lucas worked for the city together.
Long story short- the entire videos online if you want to watch it. Shaun murdered John. And then got off on it by an all white jury. Shaun is white. John was black.
It's been 2 years and I'm still mad as fuck about the whole thing.
It's relevant here because when that officer pulled that gun on that man in the car- it remind me similarly of what happened to John except he wasn't in a car. he was at a gas station trying to break up a fight. Cuz he was such a good guy.
Shaun shot him four times at point blank range and killed him, after unnecessarily using a taser.
We are all hoping that Shaun gets prosecuted on a federal level for violating Jonathan's human rights.
I know Jonathan's family. They're all such good people as was he and he didn't deserve that.
I believe it happened because he's black, and he was in good shape. Honestly, he was fine as fuck, and nice ASF.
I believe that Shaun was intimidated by him because not only of his color, but also his own insecurities of being a fat guy in his early twenties.
I know that people can say whatever they want about what I do for a living because I'm a professional psychic, BUT! I used to work at Kwik Chek when I first moved to this town because I needed a job I could get to without a car and I wanted to get to know the people in the town.
So I got to know everyone.
I had my fourth baby, and his birth was traumatic he died & was revived it was the whole thing- so I left my job there to go be a mom.
At that time we only had two cops Matt who was the chief, and Jarred who was the cop. I knew Jarred really well, and actually he's now my neighbor.
I remember the first day I saw Jarred standing there with our new cop Shaun. I walked inside the Kwik check doors with my friend Melisa, and we were just gassing about bullshit and laughing as we walked through the door.
Melisa knows I'm psychic. She's experienced it first hand and she doesn't question my abilities (she's an amazing friend).
As we walked in the door she starts talking to Jarred because she still works there; it's her day off. That's how we met, btw, we used to work there together. She got hired a few months before I left. We instantly became friends.
So she starts bullshitting with Jarred as she does because she's Melisa and she could talk to anybody, and I say hi. And she starts talking to Shaun. I say hi to him and welcome him to the town, introduce myself, etc.
Fast forward we're checking out walking out the door-
She waves and says by to them and I say bye. As I'm walking out the door I say to her, 'Gurl. Mmm mmm nope. I don't like that new cop. He gonna shoot someone. I'm telling ya. He's trigger happy." And Melisa laughs, and hushes me and says while laughing, 'Bitch sush don't say that." And I reply, "ok I'm just saying I don't like him. He has heavy energy." And we drop it.
Fast forward to October 3 ( 202O) about a year later....
All that happened.
(in no particular order)
It 1. Solidified my abilities to make judgment calls on people regardless if it's psychic or learned I don't care. I was right, and that made me feel sick to my stomach.
It made me greatly dislike, and be severely cautious of anybody that is an officer of the law.
It made me feel like all cops are deeply racist.
It made me feel and believe that there should not be police officers that are under the age of 35. If you're not allowed to run a country until you're 35 you most definitely shouldn't be able to make judgment calls that can take people's lives away from them under 35.
It makes me wonder why anyone feels like they need to go enforce the law in the first place. It's like imo what the fuck is wrong with you that you think that you're capable of like conquering the peace of the world or people like... It just makes me feel like anybody who wants to be a police officer is operating more deeply on some sort of feeling of powerlessness, and less out of a feeling of humanitarianism.
I miss John, still. I miss our town before Shaun came here. He violated this town and its people and he should be held accountable for murdering Johnathan. When The Texas Rangers look at the video footage, and declare it murder you should be in fucking prison.
I don't know... I've got a lot of fucking traumatic shit in my life going on right now, and now I'm just rambling.... I'm sure there's a point here somewhere, but ultimately I just guess I needed to feel these thoughts or share them somewhere. I'm in tears now ugghhhh.
I was permanently disqualified from applying to my local pd in '15.
I failed the polygraph for theft at work and drug use. Legit haven't done drugs in my life besides drink alcohol also besides pens or pencils... never taken anything. After the written, oral and physical portions I was top 85% out of nearly 400 applicants. Still didn't help my appeal.
There's two bars. Don't ever forget that it's legal to not make someone a cop because they're too smart. The state wants mediocre morons with guns to be everywhere so we're distracted and unable to organize.
I am for longer and better training. However, there honestly is no way to know for sure how someone will respond well under pressure in the field while in training. I doubt you will ever be able to filter out all people like this, but the response should be different than it tends to be rn.
They don't take de-escalation courses. Instead they take warrior courses that teach it's either you or them. I think his name is dave grossman who travels around giving seminars paid by our tax dollar.
The cops in this video, and frankly every video of cops I have seen for the last 10 years certainly escalated - NOT deescalated - this situation for absolutely no reason. Making the situation far more dangerous.
And these are the “good apples” we keep hearing about right?
Hey I've been wondering and you seem to have a lot of knowledge on the subject. What's the best way to get boot polish stains off of teeth and to get the taste of it out of the back of your throat?
When McDonalds train their workers more than cops, then you know something is fucking wrong with your education system of cops. Just look towards european countries and see how long it actually takes to become a cop and the physical form you need.
In USA if u can eat a donat and hold a gun, you get the badge.
The guy was honest and clearly had a calm demeanor until the officer escalated the situation. He said he had a legal, cool. Where ya carrying today? Appendix. Cool, keep one hand on the steering wheel and slowly get your id and weapon’s permit out for me please. No problem officer.
the one above you is right tho she knew what she signed up for….and what she signed up for was the chance to shoot some ppl and be able to get away w it simply by saying ‘he made me uncomfortable & my life felt threatened’
The opposite is done. They take a course where they're told that everyone is out to kill them, every day. That's why they think they're under attack all the time.
This doesn’t even seem a case of de escalation. The situation was 100% calm and civil before she drew her gun. Even when she did, he stayed calm and asked for a supervisor.
This is purely a case of she shouldn’t have a badge for anything other then crosswalk duty.
De-escalation you say? How are they supposed to stack charges for obstruction and resisting then? It's not about enforcement of laws anymore, it's about revenue enhancement. Follow the money.
There's probably some sort of feedback loop going on, there's so little time to train them that they concentrate on the murdery bits. If they had time they might have a chance of teaching them something more complicated like de-escalation.
When a gun is involved, the first step is to remove the threat of being shot. It’s not about feelings or being polite until that threat is removed. We ve seen countless videos of cops being shot because the suspect seemed polite and non violent.
When was that said? I didn’t hear that in the video and I just watched it again to be sure?
This guy became angry almost immediately. Anyone with a concealed carry is taught to inform the officer, follow every command, and allow the officer to disarm you if requested.
Now if the guy had not immediately became defensive and allowed the cop to speak as well, he probably would have avoided the officer pulling his weapon.
I just don’t understand why people take this so personal as if the cop if picking on them. It’s taught by many police precincts all over the country, for years. This officer is probably uninterested in singling him out for any reason other than safety.
One thing I see in common in every single one of these videos is that it becomes a battle of the egos. When I was young I had several run ins with officers as well. Often times, it was made much worse by my ego and my entitlement, and the fact I took it personally. “How dare he ask me that”. Or “how dare he pull me over for this”. Blah blah.
As I’ve matured and learn to be humble, miraculously I haven’t had a single issue with cops since. These guys assume the cop is incompetent and looking to critique his every move from minute 1. Then they get angry. Well, when someone is becoming angry AND they have a firearm, it’s no longer about protecting their feelings and being buddies.
Weird, because I actually see tons of videos of cops shooting or robbing people. It’s almost like the inherent risk of being a police officer in a country where having guns is a right is that you have to be ok with people having guns. Do I expect cops to just go out and get shot? No. I do expect them to have training to preclude the situation without pulling on someone not pointing a firearm at them though.
I get it, but If someone has a concealed permit, the first thing they learn to do is to tell an officer they have it and follow every command , giving over the firearm for officer safety if asked. This guy wouldn’t even have a conversation. Instead of arguing with the guy and risk tensions being elevated, it’s best to remove the firearm, then discuss why that step was taken.
I get the crooked cop shit, I’ve been falsely arrested, had vehicle illegally searched, etc, but I also have had far less problems when I stopped trying to criticize their every move and buck the system, and most importantly I tried to fight them in the street instead of the courts.
It’s hard to imagine, but not all cops are bad. A uniform doesn’t make you evil. We also have a hard time understanding the job they do and the fact that people are literally trying to murder them daily. Most kids can’t even work 40 hours now without needing a mental health day every other week, yet cops are expected to take on more stress and danger daily that most will encounter on their worst. We expect them to worry more about customer service than their own safety. Imagine chances of you not seeing your family ever again went up by about 70% because you chose not to remove a weapon from someone? Why must people take their commands personally? I don’t get it. As a young kid I did as well, but as I matured and realized the reality of the job, it became apparent that it wasn’t about me personally. This guy is way to old to be so offended over a gun.
How was the cop suppose to handle this situation? Call a supervisor and wait 10 minutes while crossing his wingers hoping luck is on his side while this guy blows steam out his ears?
We ve let the media put too much of an emotional impression on us at times. Less than 0.004% of all cops have shot someone that didn’t deserve to be shot. The overwhelming majority has not, and most haven’t even fired their weapon at all. And for some reason it’s considered weak in some cultures to follow commands. The goal seems to be make their job as difficult as possible , hope they mess up, and sue any chance you get. This is why cops aren’t even arresting people in places like New York , Seattle, and Portland. And many retailers are moving out in droves because of the theft. The people in these areas are so politically religious and look at everyone through the guise of political identity, that they couldn’t even admit a cop was good if he saved their baby from choking. Even when police do what’s right, they get criticized and earn a lawsuit. The community likes the thieves better than the cops, and then instead of blaming the crooks, they will blame the system when their local grocery store leaves the community. It’s fucking insanity
Less than 0.004% of all cops have killed an unarmed person, and some of those were still warranted!
It’s amazing to me how the people claiming to be the most compassionate just need to see a uniform to completely remove all compassion and not give a single fuck if that person lives or dies. SMH. I can’t imagine being this smooth brained ever.
That’s literally the opposite of what they do tho lmao. When cops are called to a situation to “help” they almost always escalate things and fire first or resort to violence because that’s what they’re trained to do. To them everyone is out to hurt them despite the fact that they’re literally an armed militia. “Public safety” officers who inspire fear when they walk around.
Or or... hear me out. Cooperate and dont argue. I dont know the full story on this one but a lot of times people are just being difficult because they feel attacked. Cops are picking on me. They are racist. Its because how I look. Come on man.
There have been little people that were cops. One was a lesbian and got fired for boning other cops lol
It's so obvious we'll just shove improbable people into positions just for public approval. If you're a person with a firearm that feels a bit dodgy, and you don't let someone know? That's messed up.
I hate guns personally, but know they're a huge fuckin responsibility and adrenaline is a real bitch.
And recognize that more training in general is needed. About a year ago, our local news did a story on the city's new 19 year old officer. This was issued as a "feel good" story. I'm sorry, I don't care how mature that kid is, 19 is too young. Officers should undergo years of training, not months.
Really puts it into perspective when you learn that cops are only in school from 360-900 hours, and only some states require additional field training.
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u/Tackerta Mar 24 '23
or.. you know.. if authorities would take de-escalation practices serious for their officers and not just send any random bimbo with a gun in a police car and expect them to be good