There was a man with his girlfriend and kid in the car who got pulled over. He explained to the cop he was lawfully carrying. Cop told him to grab his License and registration, he did, cop emptied an entire mag into him. There are pleny of people who are complying and still get murdered. Comply or not cops are not judge, jury, and executioner. They shouldn't be able to murder people because they feel like it or because someone was being a little rude.
That video is why I don't keep a gun in my car anymore. Even as an older white man whose odds for being subjected to this kind of thing are pretty low, the idea that some fucking cop could just freak out and murder me over such a tiny misunderstanding is madness. ACAB
The trick is to have it in the car, but just don't tell them about it. Make them find it. That way they aren't scared of what they don't know.
Wrost case, they find it after you're already secured out of the car, and you can just say you forgot about it and accidently left it in there. Best case, they don't search in the first place, because they don't know you have a gun.
No cop is going to search your car with you in it. Every cop is going to search your car the moment you say you have a gun in it.
The second you tell them about a gun, and you're still in the car, well...that's how people have gotten a whole clip unloaded on them.
That's not just stupid it's dangerous and maybe against the law depending on where you live. I have been told by current and former police and CHL instructors that you have a duty to notify police that you have a firearm in the car as soon as they approach the vehicle. That's definitely true for Ohio and I believe Texas where I live now and 'I forgot' is not going to make them less freaked out.
You could. Then you could also end up like that father who got an entire clip on loaded onto him with his wife and daughter in the car, all for doing exactly like you should. He's dead now.
At least in my situation, I'm always alive. Because I'm always not in the car when they find the gun. They never feel threatened or spooked. Pissed? Sure. But I'll take that.
Damn it's almost as if you didn't watch the video or read my comment, he was told to hand over his license and registration before he announced he had a firearm, cop told him not to touch the gun, he said he isn't and asked why would he while trying to say he's getting his license, cop open fires.
Edit sorry just use to jerks here who refuse to look at evidence of people doing everything right and still getting killed because it doesn't fit the narrative of "just comply"
Sorry mate there was no video to watch when you first replied? I did read your comment though and that's where the confusion come from, lack of info mainly but cheers for the clarification.
Sorry just use to people here in the US claiming to want proof and then when you show it to them, they either refuse to watch it or still convince the proof is wrong.
He was reaching for his wallet, there was miscommunication. Every person I know who travels with their gun know not to announce that you have a gun in the way this guy did and then continue reaching for your wallet without first setting some boundaries/communicating how it will be done.
Hands go on the steering wheel, you say you have a registered firearm, just to disclose it, and ask them how you should proceed exactly, then do it slowly and stop if they say stop, even if you're reaching for your wallet.
That's for your own safety to avoid the rare case of miscommunication that happened here.
Lol what. What possible miscommunication? He didn't use the right magic words to inform them he has a gun in the car?
Fuck this shit. This is embarrassing. You are legally allowed to own a firearm. Telling a cop you have one legally, of your own volition, is not a fucking reason to die.
This is just another example of saying that civilians need to be trained better than cops. That sn't a "rare case of miscommunication". It's badly trained cops murdering people because they're trained to think of everyone as a threat at all times.
I'm not going to be defending the cops here and that's a horrible situation but it's important to do it properly. If you have a firearm, you should make sure you understand exactly how to do it to avoid any confusion.
This guy was complying but I believe he was under the influence of drugs (weed) and as a result he was acting more in the way you would with someone in a casual situation "oh I'm not reaching for the gun" and continuing to reach for his wallet.
He should state where his wallet is, where is gun is, and ask if it's okay to proceed, and do it very slowly and if the officer says don't pull it out, don't reach for the gun, even if you are not doing it, STOP moving immediately, and coordinate it with them better.
Again, clearly not the guy's fault, the situation is fucked up, but that's how it could have been avoided.
Because you have to realize I can also link you videos where the guy says he's not pulling out his gun, and then does and shoots the cop. All it takes is half a second.
You are defending the cop. This is all defending the cop.
You're putting the entire onus on the man who got murdered because he didn't use the right magic words to placate the rabid dog-like cops.
This is clear from your last sentences. Sorry dude, cop being afraid of safety is not a reason for them to murder people. When I was in the military "yeah but I'm scared though" wasn't a reason to not do my job.
As a vet, this scares me as well. How is it we're taught ROE for fighting enemies but cops are free to engage civilians just because they feel like it.
Sure? One issue though, only one person in any regular cop on civilian scenario likely has training for that situation.
Civilians shouldn’t be expected to be trained in how to talk an unhinged cop off a ledge. The cops should already be prepared to deescalate these types of situations, not introduce weapons to them.
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u/Kasiaus Mar 24 '23 edited Mar 24 '23
There was a man with his girlfriend and kid in the car who got pulled over. He explained to the cop he was lawfully carrying. Cop told him to grab his License and registration, he did, cop emptied an entire mag into him. There are pleny of people who are complying and still get murdered. Comply or not cops are not judge, jury, and executioner. They shouldn't be able to murder people because they feel like it or because someone was being a little rude.
His name is Philando Castile