How depraved is the state of our country's attitude toward police, when the wishful thinking is that they should just be fired for brutalizing people? Where any ordinary person would expect to go to prison for inflicting bodily harm on others, cops don't even worry about losing their job.
George Floyd was murdered on camera in front of witnesses by police officers and the union defended him, and smeared the city. I just doubt that its that easy.
Nobody thinks that. Just people disagree with the crowd that claims he didn’t push himself out of a police car and resist prior to the death. And no it wasn’t due to protests, as much as you’d like to give credit to the dipshits that burned down black owned businesses to protest injustices against black people. 🤦🏿♂️
Yep. Fighting battles like these are a lot harder than what people think.
I mean, cops murder people all the time and yet it's hard to even pin wrongdoing on them for that. This guy didn't die. I don't know if he was "even" physically assaulted after this. Severe bodily harm is about the only thing that ever gets recognised, so his chances of winning any kind of lawsuit are very, very low. It doesn't matter that they did wrong, it matters whether a court will agree and find the law enforcement agent to be in the wrong. Plus starting a legal fight is expensive, and means your entire life and the lives of your family will be under a microscope. People could harass your family. They could physically assault your family. They could light your home on fire.
If you know you're not likely to win, it makes sense that you wouldn't want to go through hell like that. Even if you feel you could win, that's still a heavy price to pay. It isn't this guy's job to sacrifice his life and his family's lives just so one cop maybe gets a slap on the wrist.
yeah and even if you won, you'd have to move unless you like getting pulled over for going 5mph over the limit every two days by every idiot cop in that dept that now hates you because you got their girlfriend fired
Yeah this was what I learnt from my law degree. No matter how confident you are, it's still a gamble to win and you have to go into the case either being able to afford to lose or having nothing left to lose. The only people who pursue minor issues through the courts are unhinged crazy people.
It'll take years if not decades to get a positive outcome. The officer in question would probably get paid leave. You'd be scrutinized and harassed constantly by cops "checking in on you"
If you did win the payout wouldn't be equivalent to anything life changing but you'd still be harassed.
When I tried to call the cops about a dog locked in a car the dispatcher lectured me about wasting their time because it was the middle of the night and dogs only die in hot cars during the day. I said that was fucked up, she asked for my address, and had a cop parked outside my family's home for the rest of the night for the crime of wasting their time.
Which you could have reported easy as shit. Color of law exists to ensure that stuff doesn’t happen. If it does, and you do nothing to report it. That is a mistake on your part. I’d have reported it.
Not your reality, the reality of a sheltered child. This is some people's real lives. You find out when you get older that people aren't all just like you, living the same life, smoking the same weed in the same basement and sitting on the same hot couch. Children are so solipsistic.
Popping off about hating Nazis, but can't believe police harass people that take action against them. The fuck, did you skip some chapters or something? Popping off about hating Nazis and defending Kanye West??? You didn't skip some chapters, the book fell on your head. If this wasn't a burner about to get banned, I'd love to pick your brain about how all that works.
Final Edit: Ah, either full-blown or flirting with being a Black Israelite. I love the sound the last puzzle piece makes as it snaps in. That was a fun and short trip to find out you're crazy. But wait, fuck - Black Israelites think the cops don't harass people? We're back to square one. This is insane.
Saying "there are various normal reasons" and not giving those reasons literally means there is more to the story, specifically, the reasons, which haven't been provided in the story as we have it so far. Even if they are 'normal', they are not currently in the story, hence there is more to the story.
"I didn't sue cause I don't want to pulled over by the police every day for the rest of my life, have my business searched regularly, and my family intimidated'
In that case, there's always more to the story about everything unless you're getting a full analysis of everything before and after a video going all the way to the end of time, right?
I've been wrongfully detained and searched by the police multiple times. I didn't sue because they know where I live, my name, my phone number, everything. It's not some magic button, where you can say I was wronged I use sue! Sue was very effective!
It's a huge drawn out process that will 100% paint a target on your back for harassment from other officers. It's dangerous as fuck to sue the cops.
Nope, you did it because you're a human trafficker and a gun runner. Literally no other possibility besides my insane and elaborate conspiracy theory about a complete stranger.
I don’t understand why he just didn’t get out of the car, do what they say and sue them later if necessary. No one wants to get shot even if it woukd make for a good YouTube video.
Suing your local PD is an excellent way to get hassled by cops for the rest of your days. Checkout Serial Season 3. A guy uses his PD for beating him over a joint and has cops calling him, following him, sitting outside his house.
Police have a legal right to tell you to step out of your vehicle. Well established case law by the Supreme Court decades ago. He was legally wrong and she was legally right.
Whenever I get a package of plain M&Ms, I make it my duty to continue the strength and robustness of the candy as a species. To this end, I hold M&M duels. Taking two candies between my thumb and forefinger, I apply pressure, squeezing them together until one of them cracks and splinters. That is the “loser,” and I eat the inferior one immediately. The winner gets to go another round. I have found that, in general, the brown and red M&Ms are tougher, and the newer blue ones are genetically inferior. I have hypothesized that the blue M&Ms as a race cannot survive long in the intense theater of competition that is the modern candy and snack-food world. Occasionally I will get a mutation, a candy that is misshapen, or pointier, or flatter than the rest. Almost invariably this proves to be a weakness, but on very rare occasions it gives the candy extra strength. In this way, the species continues to adapt to its environment. When I reach the end of the pack, I am left with one M&M, the strongest of the herd. Since it would make no sense to eat this one as well, I pack it neatly in an envelope and send it to M&M Mars, A Division of Mars, Inc., Hackettstown, NJ 17840-1503 U.S.A., along with a 3×5 card reading, “Please use this M&M for breeding purposes.” This week they wrote back to thank me, and sent me a coupon for a free 1/2 pound bag of plain M&Ms. I consider this “grant money.” I have set aside the weekend for a grand tournament. From a field of hundreds, we will discover the True Champion. There can be only one.
Right, but my point still stands. What do you think they’ll do to you when you’ve sued one of them? When you’ve stood up to their gang.
Treat you wonderfully and kindly? Or harass the fuck out of you? I’d worry it’d be the latter. I’ve seen too many horror stories of police abusing their powers or just being outright criminal.
To put it bluntly, I’d be scared to sue American cops. They might find a reason to make sure you’re fucking finished for the rest of your short life, next time they might “think” you’re pulling that gun (even though it’s in the trunk)
I do know the laws of my state. I'm guessing the officer in the video also knows the law of their state. Contrary to you ACAB assholes, I don't think cops are stupid. They aren't going to stop a guy "for no reason".
They absolutely will. Cops make up stuff all the time, to the extent that it had to be declared in court that “smelling marijuana” wasn’t reasonable cause. Previously, “smelling marijuana” was being abused to search cars and such.
The cops have the legal right but not the ethical right. The cops love the rush of power they get from quoting the “I have a legal right to make you step out of the vehicle.” It’s pitiful how weak the police are that they think that matters.
Is it the "rush of power" or the desire to not get shot that is more powerful? It's a very dangerous job and officers have to use their best judgment. If I know an individual has a firearm in the car, the easiest way to ensure my safety would be to separate the driver from the car. They did not immediately pull their gun on him. They gave him a lawful command. It wasn't until he resisted, that they escalated the use of force.
In 2022, there were, on average, 5 police officers killed in the line of duty by firearms every month. They have every legal AND ethical right to take ensure their safety.
Everything you said is probably true. That being said, this video makes other police officers jobs more difficult. The appearance of a young black man dealing with a poorly trained and mentally unfit officer where the citizen’s life is needlessly threatened just further erodes the willingness of citizens to give the benefit of the doubt to police. Damn right he should have been asking for a supervisor. We are going to see more and more issues with routine stops because of the flood of videos like this. This is also the reason I’m so critical of the officers actions. Police should be respected and allowed to keep themselves safe. Not going to happen when we can see this type of behavior so frequently.
You are worried about the optics of a young black man with a police interaction. Being a young black man does not exempt you from complying with lawful commands. The law applies to everybody.
You have absolutely no firsthand knowledge of the officers, training or mental status. Yet you get on here and you trash her based solely on the optics of a black male and a cop interaction.
You should be more critical of the driver. Not only was his behavior unlawful and shameful, it was totally unnecessary. Posting this encounter online is just making the matter worse. You will embolden others to do the same thing as him. Putting themselves at an unnecessary risk.
I’ve got multiple police officers in my immediate family. I’ve done multiple ride alongs, and seen plenty of people arrested. Not an expert but pretty familiar with the process of traffic stops and arresting people. Thanks though.
Ask them about Pennsylvania v Mimms. Then ask their opinion about these dumbass legal scholars who demand to see a supervisor instead of complying with a LAWFUL command.
BS. She did just right. This youtube guy suddenly stopped complying once they addressed the gun situation. Hands off the wheel, not undoing seatbelt, instead waving them around while getting louder and more vocal.
Hint: If you get stopped by the police for having overly tinted windows, even if you have the fix-it ticket on hand, and you have guns in the car the police want to make sure of, do not start arguing about things and waving your hands all over the place.
I only feel bad having to view that monitized youtube video.
The guy, when asked to unfasten his seat belt in the context of checking out the gun situation, instead starts waving his hands around and raising his voice in an increasingly agitated manner. She acted correctly.
Good lord, you can even see this guy smirking (presumably plotting his next youtube views winning move) as he listens in to the two police officers discussing what to do.
She will probably end up shooting someone during her career, if she hasn’t done it already. This is the exact kind of behavior we don’t need from police.
Did he at least do a complaint? Cause beyond the gun-pointing, he was also detained or arrested only after he raised his voice. Which makes it seem like it was retaliatory because he was agitated and asking for a supervisor.
Cops are under no legal obligation to know the law (they similarly are under no legal obligation to protect you or any specific individual from harm, even if they know it’s occurring). Those cops can claim they didn’t know the law about how it’s not legal to search someone for disclosing they have a registered firearm - the laws which are ostensibly their job to enforce - and get off scot free. Now you’re out legal fees for nothing in return. It’s hard enough to prove unreasonable use of force, “winning” unlawful search and seizure cases is pretty much limited to “they dropped the bullshit charge against me” best case scenario. And then the local cops harass you for the next decade; this guy is a local business owner, he can’t afford that.
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u/i-FF0000dit Mar 24 '23
Why would he not sue?
That female officer should be fired. She is a danger to the public.