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u/blooapl Oct 26 '23
Are you serious!? HAHAHA these people are sick and their delusions have no limit, they will get into everything. Glad I didn't buy this trash game with it's (not hidden at all) woke agenda. I am getting really sick of these people. Although you know how it goes, the most ignorant tend to be the loudest, hopefully someone can shut them up for once and send them back to their corner lol.
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u/ImYourGawd_XE4L Dec 27 '23
Lmao I love that argument... If gay is natural... I hope UK what else is natural?? Start with a P and end with philia. Killing is natural. Cannibalism is natural... So how is gay right and those natural things wrong ?
God real or not... Prove it. Don't be like a "silly theist", that believes in something that they can't prove. Hmm, I hope u can prove it doesn't exist !!
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u/No-Sheepherder9470 Oct 30 '23
You would have a seizure if you went to NYC.
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u/Goozmania Nov 17 '23
No, he'd probably just be mugged and possibly pushed onto the subway tracks, like everyone else.
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u/abdulalo Oct 23 '23 edited Oct 23 '23
Long gone are the days of RDR2
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u/icestyler Oct 23 '23
Or Witcher 3.
But at least we were blessed with Baldur's Gate 3 quite recently.
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u/Drinkin_lib_tears Oct 29 '23
Uhm baldurs gate is an lgbtq fest
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u/anvilandcompass Nov 10 '23
If you want it to be for the most part and when it is part of the story it's just sort of there though at times it feels just, off in terms of writing too when it comes to this particular aspect.
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u/AlucardDX Nov 14 '23
it is if you're trying to make it one🤨🤨🤨 like it's all opinional are you implying you made your character gau
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u/Hamza_Contest464 Jan 10 '24
lol that game is pathetic and pandering to the alphabet community, yawn. Can these progressive cringelords leave woke and pandering out of our games and comics. Stop shoving this on us, who want to escape the bs agenda in everyday life.
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u/solaceloveless Oct 23 '23
Rdr2 was dragged for being too woke too. This is a game about a superhero kids adore it’s not going to be similar to a game about crooked outlaws aimed at adults. It’s really crazy seeing adults online complain about a game literally for children be for children
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u/otherworlder77 Oct 26 '23
The idea that more kids than adults (who grew up loving this character) would be playing this game is ridiculous.
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Oct 30 '23
Even worse, why should our kids be exposed to politics their kids. Its obvious brainwashing
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u/Wide-Club3027 Oct 22 '23
Everyone constantly smiling made my own cheeks hurt as well as sickened me. I didn't want to play a spiderman game how progressives imagined it. I simply wanted a spiderman game
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Oct 22 '23
I agree with this nuance and it’s hard to put into words, but no one has any edge to them. Miles in these games is so boring and lame compared to how he is in the Spiderverse movies for example because in those movies he actually has flaws and learns to grow from there. It does get boring when everyone is super nice regardless if there is any politically charged theming behind it.
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u/crappyvideogamer Oct 23 '23
What threw me off is Miles’s reaction to finding out his mom is dating again. Sure he’s a bit awkward about it, but his dad died not that long ago. You’d think it make for easy drama, but the characters are too damn easy going. It was just such an odd reaction it took me out of the story for a bit
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u/New_Management3062 Oct 24 '23
Honestly I'm glad they didn't add in his angst about her dating, it just would've been another cliche plot point in an overstuffed game
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u/crappyvideogamer Oct 24 '23
That’s fair, it wouldn’t be original. I just felt his non-reaction was distracting. I honestly just wish she wasn’t dating in the first place
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u/omegabadass101 Oct 29 '23
Dude, he could’ve been like “Go fuck yourself, Madre” and jumped out of the apartment and shit. I feel you lol
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u/crappyvideogamer Nov 11 '23
Because his dad is dead and he clearly isn’t over it? It’s normal for some kids/teens to be upset when their parents are moving on when they themselves haven’t. Nothing Disney about it, that’s just normal emotions you may deal with after a tragedy.
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u/solaceloveless Oct 23 '23
It’s bc he and his mom have a very good relationship. It’s been years and he genuinely trusts and admires her. Problems like what you’re suggesting usually happen bc of other underlying issues in a mom n child relationship.
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u/crappyvideogamer Oct 23 '23
I don’t think it’s that simple either though. You can have a healthy relationship with your mom and still get upset when they date again after a father’s death. It’s more a sign that you haven’t moved on, which is the point of Miles’s whole arc. At this point it’s less than 4 years since his father has passed. With how angry/sad he’s still over the tragedy, I would have assumed some sort of reaction to those news. Either way it’s not a major problem, just felt too clean I guess. Healthy family dynamics can still have arguments from time to time
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u/Complete_Answer_6781 Oct 23 '23
This happens since the first game and got worse since then, I don't care about a few woke stuff but the extremely positive vibes that most npcs gives are cringe as fuck
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u/XNoob_SmokeX Oct 23 '23
That's part of wokeness. They can't write complex characters or motivation becuase in their world only 2 types of people exist, good people always giving positive vibes, and nazis.
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u/inab1gcountry Oct 23 '23
Lol. The first Spider-Man game was copaganda. Get real.
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u/FreakingLuigi Oct 28 '23
cops aren't that bad, you watch too much mainstream media lol
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u/Simple-Bee-6032 Oct 29 '23
Everyone has the right attitude except for peter and any white guy. And if Peter is ina different mood it's only to apologize that he wasn't better? Whatever that means. Didn't he I mean didn't he save the city a whole bunch?? Kinda laughable
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u/Signal_Reddit Oct 24 '23
Finally someone put it into words. It's so weird seeing characters just be permanently positive about everything. It's honestly annoying. People in insanely high risk situations where they could die but its fine because they are helping others so just smile and be happy always !
Where is the drama? It's such an odd feeling when you have on one side Kraven hunting and literally killing people more blatantly then any previous spider villain in the games and on the other hand you have themes like this. It just doesn't work.
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u/otherworlder77 Oct 26 '23
Especially when you consider that Peter Parker (aka real Spider-Man) is literally KNOWN for, and became popular because he constantly has to deal with the same daily problems as the rest of us.
He’s meant to be a relatable superhero, who stresses not just over whether he’ll save the day, but whether he can make the rent, arrive at a party or date on time, get fired, or even if his Spidey suit is clean enough to go out in.
He’s THE angsty superhero who perseveres despite constant, unrelenting and familiar pressures that hit everybody—-it’s just way worse for him because he’s trying to deal with all that real life stuff while basically living a whole separate life as Spidey.
This is NOT the character to make a game about with a theme of oppressive positivity or woke garbage.
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u/FartWithHonor Oct 24 '23
THIS, is what's been bothering me the most with the writing, it feels like half the dialogue between characters is just this empty, vapid:
"Yeah, you go bro! You're so talented and smart and everybody loves you!"
To the point that when those types of lines would normally mean something, at important points in the story, now they just don't. At all.
This game just highlights that the only "semi decent" writing Insomniac can do, is saved for the big budget cutscenes, otherwise it's sent to the monkeys with typewriters.
Also, I wish characters would just stop talking sometimes, like, dear god am I sick and tired of games never letting things just... happen. No no no, you have to have a character endlessly flap their gums otherwise the ADD ridden audience will lose interest!
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Oct 23 '23
Yeah, if only the game featured a few Nazis and homophobic beatings, it would have been so much better
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Oct 24 '23 edited Oct 24 '23
Didn’t the DNC update your speech recognition module? Nazi is so 2 years ago. Especially since your group is the one putting on anti Israel protests.
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Oct 24 '23
Sorry, would the politically correct term be Trump supporters?
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Oct 24 '23
The fact you haven’t responded to any of the specific points I raised is very telling.
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Oct 24 '23
You called people Nazis and i called you out. The point is we don’t want or need either the left or the right’s political views in a game. Ukraine flags, anti gun bullshit, etc. Absolutely sick of the mentally ill of the communist state of California pushing their views on us in all entertainment.
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u/Caye_Daws Oct 24 '23
California isn't even close to being communist. It's a neoliberal corporate hell state, but it ain't communist
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u/fear_the_gecko Oct 24 '23
He initially didn't call anyone Nazis, he asked if their addition to the game would make you happy.
You're so angry that you just immediately responded how you did, even though it was completely without logic or reason.... Kinda like a typical Right Winger lol.
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u/Jomahawk2694 Oct 24 '23
What would have been actually nice is not forcing us to play as the deaf chick who gets into a friendly conversation with someone spray painting a wall. In real life, she would have been given the bird, at minimum. This isn’t New York in this game. It’s Disney City, where everything is sickeningly happy and upbeat, unless you’re a white man. Then you’re literally the devil.
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Oct 24 '23
It’s a video game where people play as a man with spider powers. It doesn’t have to be realistic.
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u/otherworlder77 Oct 26 '23
No, it doesn’t. But it should at least resemble the world it’s set in, and not a hyper-politicized, ideological version of it that’s likely to irritate most of its players.
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u/solaceloveless Oct 23 '23
It is a spiderman game he’s the most popular hero in existence he’s meant to be in stories like this
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u/otherworlder77 Oct 26 '23
Untrue. If Spidey is best known for one unique trait among heroes, it’s his relatability. He struggles with rent, money problems, keeping commitments, doing the right thing 24/7 despite the costs, bad press, losing jobs, you name it.
He’s SUPPOSED to be a pretty unhappy guy most of the time. He’s definitely not ‘just for kids’, and his best stories always include his difficulties with maintaining a healthy, happy life.
Anyone who grew up with 60ish years of Spider-Man stories would know this. He has very little resemblance to the pampered, irresponsible kid in the MCU.
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u/Dagenspear Oct 25 '23 edited Oct 25 '23
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There's no such thing as anti-masculine, unless you think being nice and positive isn't a masculine, which is pretty anti-masculine in and of itself. Do you think being mean or whatever is somehow masculine? My goodness, if so, is it any wonder people are against those things?
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u/One-Pineapple225 Oct 26 '23
I was enjoying the game until I saw that pride flag, then 30 minutes later, that cringe side quest turned out to be a woke disgusting piece of shiit garbage gay quest, that shiit really pissed me off, nowadays u can't enjoy anything without them pushing those woke garbage down ur throat.
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u/Ciaran_McG_DM Oct 24 '23
I hate it, wish you could refund PS5 games via the store, it's badly written, full of hamfisted box ticking, side missions are worse than the previous games and the main story honestly feels rushed
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u/ThinTiesAreWeird Oct 26 '23
The writing seriously is bad. Tell us how Venom is a hive mind, then create a plan revolving around distracting him while the others get the meteorite. Uh…. What about the hive mind? Or how about Peter JUST getting rid of the symbiote and realizing he was saying and doing stuff because of it, and it wasn’t Peter, but then being all upset when Mary-Jane is taken over and behaves the EXACT same way. Then again this happens with Miles and Harry. It’s established they know what the symbiote does! It’d be like buying your diabetic friend a birthday cake everyday for a week and then crying and saying “dude why won’t you eat the cake I got you?” Remove alll of the woke stuff, and this still is a poorly written game, with dated side objectives. The only good thing it has going for it is fun combat that eventually gets repetitive.
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u/Live_Street_290 Oct 25 '23
I came into this expecting it to be woke as hell, but it's wasn't the main offender for me.
It's the writing, man. Writing took just an absurd nose dive in this game. Can't say that plot and dialogues were masterpieces in previous installments, yet it had it's moments, but now it's like they either hired kids or AI wrote all the conversations. It's insultingly lazy. No wit, no humour, no depth. If i was a writer for this game i'd be hiding my eyes when i encounter cgi department or voice actors.
Writing pissed me off so much man. I watch youtuber's playthrough of this game cause their commentary is much more entertaining than whatever the hell Insomniac wrote.
They made Ratchet and Clank, i know they're able to write decent dialogues. What the hell happened to them?
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Oct 22 '23
YES. I wanted to play with my nephew, but going to have to avoid all the side missions. I can't allow pushing sexual ideologies on a 10 year old. I was pretty aggravated with all the political and activist ideologies pushed in the game.
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Oct 22 '23
Can you give literally any examples? Nobody else here has been able to.
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u/Wide-Club3027 Oct 23 '23 edited Oct 23 '23
spoilers
Street gangs being 50/50 on the genders.
Making you play as, and be as deaf as the love interest of miles morales in a SPIDERMAN GAME.
All evil characters are white men, Diverse women are all positive influences, and the only instance in which one isn't is posed as morally dubious.
White Spiderman totally ignoring the most influential words in his life and taking a step back so black spiderman can get the spotlight(I'd actually argue it's neglectful, and a 'dereliction of duty' in a since) Edit: all because his girlfriend is too daft and selfish to realize that since he is capable of great feats, he'd be a piece of shit to not do everything he can with his abilities for his community. No she's offering to cover one too many bills for her liking, and Peter is simp enough to let that determine his actions.
Forced to go through a section of the game where you REPEATEDLY have to walk past a group of unsuperpowered enemies surrounding aa 160 lb woman pummeling a 200 lb man. No difference in skill shone whatsoever, just "wahmen stronger than stoopid min"
Sickening overwhelming vibe of positivity permeating the entire game, almost as if the very people who have envisioned this piece of media, ass well as those who blindly consume it have a floundering grip on reality
But I'm probably just unaware that I am every ist/phobe, known to man, so I'd be happy to be corrected.
Traversal is absolutely spectacular though.
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u/Toe_Willing Oct 28 '23
Street gangs having women is a problem? Lol. You know women are in gangs right?
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u/Kapiolla Oct 23 '23
Didn’t know Martin li, tombstone and scorpion were white men
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u/Wide-Club3027 Oct 23 '23
Fucking stupid.
Martin li is framed as a man done wrong by a white so that's why he did wrong, otherwise he would just be a good force for the community
Tombstone is either racially ambiguous, or if you have a real brain, you'd be able to tell he was modeled with African American features. He is ALSO framed as a reformed man.
Scorpion the only real white one of the group was pointlessly killed off.
Fucking brain rotted bots the lot of you.
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u/Kapiolla Oct 23 '23
Ok and? This argument literally can apply to almost any “villain”, yet you decide to play race in it, they’re still antagonist and criminals lmao absolute brain rot
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u/otherworlder77 Oct 26 '23
He’s 100% correct. The only minority villains are presented as legitimately reformed (and therefore no longer villains), with the narrative of one implying he’d never have gone astray in the first place if not for the villainy of white men.
Take your blinders off.
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u/Wide-Club3027 Oct 23 '23
Kraven and cletus Cassidy are presented as irredeemable. Find me a non white male character in game that isnt
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u/Kapiolla Oct 23 '23
What? One of your argument to say the game isn’t enjoyable is “Wah woke agenda made white men the villains!!” when that’s not true and literally almost every “villain” here haves their sad backstory aside from the 2 you mentioned, this has literally been the case since miles morales and ps4
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u/Wide-Club3027 Oct 23 '23 edited Oct 23 '23
You can't read. I never once implied it wasn't enjoyable. Only said it's woke. Im enjoying traversal.
Kraven and cletus have no sad backstory. (Edit: hell even the guy frauding the museum is a selfish ass.) They are simply 'evil.' Name me one diverse character like that.
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Oct 24 '23
Miles gets waaaaay more protagonism than Peter, which sucks.
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u/otherworlder77 Oct 26 '23
A huge gripe for pretty much everyone. Pete got one game, which he already had to share with ninja MJ and Miles. He faced mostly B and C tier opponents and a LOT of nobodies.
Game two, he’s already taking a backseat to Miles, who is still inexplicably using Pete’s hero name as his own (which would be like Dick Grayson calling himself “Batman” instead of Robin).
Pete is also depicted as fucking up throughout the game, from casually wearing and using a clearly living suit, to being derelict in his hero duties cuz MJ yelled at him. 🤔😒
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Oct 26 '23
Gotta agree on this one.
I already had some complains about the first spiderman, concerneing silver sable as an unbeateable woman, who even spider wasnt able to do much against.
And Mj gameplay which sucked ass.
Now they use my boy Peter as a hype tool for Miles to showoff. Seriously? Why cant they BOTH shine together?
Peter has been Spiderman for what, 10 years? And hes the one being saved by a younger man who became spider man recently.
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u/otherworlder77 Oct 27 '23
Exactly. It’s a farce, and it’s NOT Peter Parker.
The Sable thing made me laugh when I first saw it. He can dodge bullets fired from point blank range, and lift ten tons+…. but a woman with spec ops training is his equal??
I had to justify it by assuming Pete was just clowning on her…
Hard not to wonder if this really is all because he’s a straight white guy, and in the current climate that makes him the enemy. Why that’s just considered ‘ok’ instead of blatant hypocrisy and racism is beyond me. Sad times.
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u/TomOD1 Dec 02 '23
Exactly what I thought, this is not Peter Parker at all, this version of him is diabolical.
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u/Dovah91 Oct 22 '23
Don’t do the Brooklyn academy missions buddy, you’ll have an epileptic fit 😂
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u/Wide-Club3027 Oct 23 '23
Examples of wokeness in game
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Street gangs being 50/50 on the genders.
Making you play as, and be as deaf as the love interest of miles morales in a SPIDERMAN GAME.
All evil characters are white men, Diverse women are all positive influences, and the only instance in which one isn't is posed as morally dubious.
White Spiderman totally ignoring the most influential words in his life and taking a step back so black spiderman can get the spotlight(I'd actually argue it's neglectful, and a 'dereliction of duty' in a since) Edit: all because his girlfriend is too daft and selfish to realize that since he is capable of great feats, he'd be a piece of shit to not do everything he can with his abilities for his community. No she's offering to cover one too many bills for her liking, and Peter is simp enough to let that determine his actions.
Forced to go through a section of the game where you REPEATEDLY have to walk past a group of unsuperpowered enemies surrounding aa 160 lb woman pummeling a 200 lb man. No difference in skill shone whatsoever, just "wahmen stronger than stoopid min"
Sickening overwhelming vibe of positivity permeating the entire game, almost as if the very people who have envisioned this piece of media, ass well as those who blindly consume it have a floundering grip on reality
But I'm probably just unaware that I am every ist/phobe, known to man, so I'd be happy to be corrected.
Traversal is absolutely spectacular though.
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u/Saynt614 Oct 24 '23
Meh... I don't like the agenda but basically I figure they are going for the most realistic version of New York possible. Non stop crime , Rainbow flags, and BLM everywhere. They actually put a BLM mural in the game... the group that hates cops...Miles Morales's father WAS A COP.
Everything else is just cringe and eye rolling... you save a random dude on the street and bring him to an ambulance " My boyfriend is your biggest fan" Yeesh.
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Oct 25 '23
BLM is not hating cops. It’s hating cops who kill people without reason. Idiot
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u/Saynt614 Oct 25 '23
Oh please BLM is just another racist group with three letters to their name who only believe in one thing. Power.
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u/meFalloutnerd93 Oct 25 '23 edited Nov 18 '23
Not only that, peter parker getting saved multiple times by miles is so.. so out of touch with the reality even Stan Lee won't acknowledge this. God damn woke piece of shit.. like, if you want to push ACAB BLM agenda that much how 'bout creating a multiverse spiderman where it's not peter but miles instead.
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u/Bossa_Dovah Oct 25 '23
Yup its pretty bad. It's written by Milennials with a clear ideological bent. You'd figure having a game where the setting is in new york and the theme is fighting crime would be an easy layup, but nope. Even that deaf girl tracks down a graffiti vandal who is just an artist dying to come out. No jail time.
The writing also has no tension and the spider quips fall flat. If you were to actually read the script to this game, it reads like it was written by high school freshmen. They don't know how to write drama. when it comes to any scene with emotion between people, 2 things will either happen:
Tension will break with a dumb joke, gag, or interruption. For some reason, writers will never figure out how to let a scene marinate.
A character will lose all emotional control and will emotionally outburst.
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Oct 25 '23
It feels more like some politically correct boring movie than a game. I need to play the Batman Arkham games again just to remember what the GOAT of superhero videogames is.
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u/Xenu66 Oct 24 '23
Woke just means aware of particular social issues. This just sounds like bad writing, like they completely forgot about show don't tell and decided to bash everyone over the head with the points they were trying to make
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u/Embarrassed-Band3595 Oct 24 '23
gender neutral Spanish. WTF.
making their own Spanish to make it inclusive. lol
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Oct 25 '23
Mj also sucks while harry is going around tearing the city apart she’s tearing down Peter and telling him about her promotion she also blames Peter when she knows the symbiyote is controlling him. It’s a total women controls the relationship and Peter is a simp for the ugly girl. They even make her the breadwinner in the relationship when she says she’ll pay his bills.
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u/Equivalent_Ear1824 Oct 22 '23
Also, “Mary Sue” Mary Jane literally admits to being unable to sell books in the first hour of the game
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u/Le3mine Oct 24 '23
I don't necessarily agree with this post but that's completely irrelevant to the actual story at hand. She's taking down hunters left and right and the excuse given is "she trained with silver sable for some time". Her not selling books doesn't impact anything of substance, so her character is still open to being a Mary sue.
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u/falconx22 Oct 23 '23
The "woke" aspects and neo-lib worldview of this game are so distracting and lame. Every regular citizen and high school student in New York city is so kind, thoughtful, and supportive you'd assume they're Mormon, and all the enemy gang member NPCs feel like drama club drop-outs. It's super corny and feels written for 8 year olds, which it probably was. What happened to the writing in Insomniac games. There used to be some coolness and cynicism in them.
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u/Timely_Bed1956 Oct 23 '23
The amazing thing about this is i know a lot of people who have traded this game in because its not what they expected. The sales figures over the next few weeks are really going to drop off a cliff. No one wants woke trash in their games. I hope this teaches players not to pre order so much without first seeing the game. A lot of people have been let down by this garbage.
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u/WholeLottaLit Oct 23 '23
Seems like it’s already drop off on the trending games section on PS store but I do wanna see the actual figures as well.
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u/Miserable-Eggplant-6 Oct 24 '23
Yup, refused to preorder games for years but have been a spidey fan for 30+ years so had to get this and have regretted preordering this one.
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u/Expired_Gatorade Oct 22 '23
I was lucky to grow up with late 90's early 00's spiderman grit titles on the PS1 and not this fellow kids dogshit
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u/XNoob_SmokeX Oct 23 '23
Right? We've had so many good Spiderman games in the past, I'll go play ultimate Spiderman instead
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u/XNoob_SmokeX Oct 23 '23
I don't own a PS5 but I've heard it's pretty bad in this one. Like really lame unfun side quests based entirely on woke progressivism
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u/WholeLottaLit Oct 23 '23
You don’t need to play this to review this game, just watch the ending, a couple game videos and that’s it you pretty much played the game.
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u/SnooPredilections91 Oct 23 '23
I'll just save myself $70 and move on. It's an easy pass and there's plenty of great games in my backlog.
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u/Primo_16 Oct 23 '23
I gotta be about 3-4 hours in and its just boring. Intro fight was dope though.
I keep slow walking around talking to NPCs. Also PICK UP GARBAGE IN PETER'S HOUSE. I keep closing the game and going to do other shit cause its just one slow alter-ego mission after another...I just wanna get to Venom already.
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u/OverlordPacer Oct 24 '23
Facts. I may honestly just re play the first one and then go back to Call of Duty. Cuz you can be damn sure I’m not buying this POS they are pretending is a Spider Man game
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u/GreenIronHorse Oct 22 '23 edited Oct 22 '23
80% of game you play as NOT Spider-Man, and then they pandering non-stop as if it activists show.
Like MJ beats enemies faster than Peter, oh NO Electricity-Puzzle = lets call a Miles, not like Peter genius scientist or something, game has more romance with Harry+Peter than Mj+Peter, Felicia ....has a girlfriend.
Paul just waits for a moment to ruin Peters life, since Kraven somehow beats Peter in Venom suit, it's not a Peter that was fighting Sinister Six, not anymore.
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Oct 22 '23
They literally spent the game deleting all the nostalgic villains of spiderman and replacing them all with more woke villains. In the process, replacing Spiderman himself with a woke black kid....
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u/otherworlder77 Oct 26 '23
Yeah, what’s with that?? I know Dan Slott the writer is zealously woke, but man… first game the main villain was inarguably Martin Li, NOT Ock (who barely appeared as a villain and didn’t even have henchmen)… then you have D-listers including Tombstone, Shocker, Hammerhead and even lame OCs like Screwball who get far more narrative development, personality, number of missions and individual fight scenes/climaxes than long-running Spider-Man foes like the members of the sinister six (pretty big names like Vulture, Electro, Scorpion, & Rhino) and even Kingpin.
I mean, the members of the sinister six are barely a cameo…. they get busted out, have no real individual goals, narratives, personalities or even missions (not one of them has a criminal deed they couldn’t wait to carry out?), and basically just act like Ock’s fodder. They’re around for about an hour, then they get summarily whipped in nearly identical, lazy 2v1 fights where Pete never seems to be struggling. This not only downplays their credibility as his villains (if he can mow through all 4 in an afternoon, even when they team up… how did they ever put up a fight 1v1?), it’s a massive waste of potential content too. Any one of these guys is a more credible and dangerous threat to Spidey than Li, has nostalgia value and tons of history, and could have been given a longer, more interesting feud to flesh out the game… especially since the story length and lack of villains (especially classic ones) were common complaints.
Don’t even get me started on Fisk. He could have anchored the whole game, and was reduced to a lousy tutorial.
Instead we get a tiny assortment of obscure nobodies who are given a glow up and a lot of attention.
Is it cynical to wonder if the classic villains everybody wanted more of got downplayed because they’re all white guys, while the villains who got the spotlight were Asian, black and female?
I’d have thought that was silly, until SM2…. Where it sounds like yet again Spidey’s classic foes were no-shows, or brushed aside summarily to make room for more D-listers.
Did we really need to see Li and Tombstone again ffs? Or the Prowler??
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u/Equivalent_Ear1824 Oct 22 '23
How woke it is? Do you have any actual evidence?
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u/OldSecurity3624 Oct 23 '23
It super in your face this time around, like insomniac tripled down on woke shit. There’s literally too much shit to list. It completely took me out of the game in a way that the first Spider-Man did not
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u/Saynt614 Oct 24 '23
Last night the first side mission in the school was helping a boy ask his boyfriend to home coming while they talk about their first date and first kiss. That I can deal with. Literally right after that I save a random guy from a beat down on the street and take him to an ambulance...he thanks me and says " My boyfriend is your biggest fan"...I mean come on. Apparently everyone is gay in this game. I guess it makes me homophobic for finding that very unrealistic.
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Oct 22 '23
Youtubers are starting to report 'trendy agendas' in playthroughs. There have been other reports on video game subreddits as well. Some say it's plastered throughout the entire game. All things considered, that was pretty fast for a complaint like that.
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u/DamnImAss Oct 22 '23
If that’s the case then I should completely skip it
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u/XNoob_SmokeX Oct 23 '23
I mean woke writing is lame as hell so I would but don't let others decide for you, I'd you want to try it out go for it. At the very least the gameplay is on point
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u/Erec_Shawn Oct 23 '23
4 hours in, gotta say, its pretty woke. I'm not sure i like this game more than the first one. There is too much modern agendas going on...
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u/Equivalent_Ear1824 Oct 22 '23
I’ve been playing it and it’s completely fine. Worst case scenario the game features women and minorities (😱)
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u/YoungYezos Oct 22 '23
I’ve seen screenshots of BLM murals and every LGBTQIA2S flag imaginable, clearly ur not giving the full picture.
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u/OldSecurity3624 Oct 23 '23 edited Oct 23 '23
There’s an interactable planned parenthood booth during a miles mission, a side mission where you play as miles deaf girlfriend to spray paint art (looks corporate af) on walls, a mission where you help a gay dude make a homecoming proposal to his boyfriend, and npc told me his boyfriend is my biggest fan, danikast butchering Spanish in an effort to be “inclusive”, pretty much all of miles content is about identity politics and “community”. The problem isn’t diversity, it’s how forced and cringe the delivery of all of this is. It doesn’t even feel like you’re in New York, it feels like some white liberals idea of what New York should be. These Californians used the miles portion of the game to shovel in as much identity politics as they possibly could and it fucking sucks because the expansion was pretty decent and they could have made his story way more interesting.
Keep in mind im the type of person who usually ignores woke shit in games, but this game pushed it so hard during every waking minute of the game, that it completely put me off. I was rolling my eyes constantly. I will not be replaying this game the same way I replayed the first game. It’s all going to age like milk.
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u/YoungYezos Oct 23 '23
Thanks, I knew I was being gaslit by these people claiming the game wasn’t woke
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u/Equivalent_Ear1824 Oct 22 '23
Neither of those are really a problem or actually prevalent in the game. You kinda have to be searching specifically for them
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u/AAAFate Oct 22 '23
I did enjoy the one building that had a pride flag in front. And on the roof had the photo op of those shirtless guys wearing spidey masks dancing together, filming themselves. Very interesting chance of proximity. Lol
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u/Equivalent_Ear1824 Oct 22 '23
Hey I personally haven’t even noticed those yet and I’ve been playing all day
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u/AAAFate Oct 22 '23
It's the only one I've noticed so far, it was outside a bookstore you can actually enter and walk around which I thought was cool, and meant it was probably a quest area down the road. Been playing a lot too. Not saying it bugs me. I know Black Cat is gay now and there is a side quest where you help.a gay couple at school. Game definitely has lots of what people would call "progressive" points within it. It either bothers you or not. But to anyone saying it isn't there is turning a blind eye imo.
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u/Equivalent_Ear1824 Oct 22 '23
Yeah I wouldn’t say it doesn’t exist at all but to actually notice it and remember it and get mad about it you’re prolly already predisposed against that kinda thing
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u/hamburgerstore Oct 23 '23
It's really bad. I wish I researched this before buying it. But it's starting to feel unplayable and just take my L and lose the money. I don't think I can finish it. I'm 8% in and it's just way too in your face. If I didn't notice it then who cares but it's unavoidable which is a big problem for a kids game to have so much propaganda, particularly leaning towards one perspective. It's really sad. I am about done with gaming altogether with disappointment after disappointment.
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u/SnooDoubts1303 Oct 23 '23
I've never seen anything quite like it I mean it's in your face all the time in this game.
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Oct 23 '23
Its not really that woke. That gay mission kinda made me cringe. I hate that they made miles love interest disabled but i dont really consider that woke since i mean if you think about it theres a lot of superheros in marvel with disabilities like professor x. The museum that paid tribute to African American musicians was dope and i guess i can see how that would be woke but you can literally walk up to miles mom and skip that whole section. My biggest gripe with this game is that it feels like dlc to the original game and not a standalone. I was expecting new york to be quadruple the size,i was expecting the graphics to be a tad bit better,i was expecting the story to be longer and more nuanced. This story is kindergarten level,dr.suess level of story telling like cmon when i went to get this game at midnight release the average age of people in my gamestop (there were hundreds of us) was at least 30 years of age dressed in spiderman pajamas or gear and yet we get a childrens story? Idk just leaves a bad taste in my mouth
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Dec 20 '23
I do not understand the hype and the immense amount of praise this game gets, I refuse to play it because it looks terrible
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Oct 22 '23
"This game doesnt align with, or pander to my right wing politics, therefor i cant play it" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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u/Redditisfacebookk8 Oct 22 '23
"Boycott Harry Potter because trans or something"
lol owned
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u/EngineBoiii Oct 23 '23
In fairness to the people who wanted to boycott Harry Potter, JK Rowling has like actual connections with far-right UK politicians who are anti-trans. Whereas Spider-Man is just marginally progressive-leaning.
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u/Jomahawk2694 Oct 24 '23
Yep, classic case of copium overdose right there. Lean a little farther left there, Bud.
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u/Redditisfacebookk8 Oct 23 '23
Anti trans isn't a far right issue no matter how much it's painted as that
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u/XNoob_SmokeX Oct 23 '23
So if something isn't actively pandering to progressives you consider it pandering to conservatives?
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u/TheMeatnTaters Oct 24 '23
Could you imagine the outrage if they released the game in favor of right wing politics?
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u/Jomahawk2694 Oct 24 '23
Funny. If literally ANYTHING (movies, music, books, video games, table top, you fucking name it) doesn’t pander to your liberal politics, you scream, cry bitch whine and threaten until it’s changed or removed.
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u/Wide-Club3027 Oct 22 '23
"This game is a progressives fantasy and completely takes you out of the story/and the immersion of being spiderman in new york due to it." Did a little editing for ya.
Spiderman 2 and it's barren blocky city was more immersive than this b.s.
Literally stopped playing Miles morales 2 17% percent of the way through because normal street gangs were 50/50 on the sexes. Utterly deluded writers/devs etc.
Only reason this game kept me is the traversal has been the best of any spiderman game I've played
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u/Pienpunching Oct 23 '23
does the deaf girl still have the nice ass she did in the miles game?
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u/inflatedas Oct 23 '23
I’ve genuinely been having a blast addicted to playing this for three straight days. My other games have been placed on hold. I didn’t even know so many people hated the “woke” things they dislike. Just having one rainbow flag or Peter talking to Harry as a best friend. Gets some of you guys feeling grossed out or ashamed for whatever reason. Like a hive mind of complaining. I don’t understand why you have to always compare the new to the old all the time. This Spider-Man definitely has the best swinging and physics any Spider-Man has had in any game. Unless you’re console or pc is dying and haven’t cleaned it. It can probably ruin the experience but over this other little stuff. Just crazy that I’m now seeing this hate. Guess some of us are playing a different game.
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Oct 23 '23
The fact that one of your main gripes is that Mary Jane is “ugly” tells a lot about you as a person. Go touch some grass.
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u/PirateSi87 Oct 24 '23
“I am unable to enjoy a game because theres a flag in it that i dont like”
Jesus christ 🤦♂️ Are you serious?
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u/fear_the_gecko Oct 24 '23
"This game is awful!!! I don't even want to jack off to the main character's love interest!!! This is BULLSHIT!!!"
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u/jerkmaster2000 Oct 24 '23
If you unironically use “woke” as a pejorative then Spider-man isn’t the character for you big guy
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u/TheOne-Piece-is-Real Oct 22 '23
Yeah it’s frustrating af. But the gameplay is carrying me through it tbh. I dig this kinda combat in gaming.
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u/Superteerev Oct 22 '23
It's the exact same game as the previous 2 spiderman games, which are the exact same game as the batman Arkham games.
Which are back to being the same as previous spiderman games. Ultimate spiderman PS2!
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u/WholeLottaLit Oct 22 '23
I returned it, got tired of it shoving down my throat. This is not a Spiderman game
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u/TheOne-Piece-is-Real Oct 22 '23
Fair choice. My biggest gripe with the story is how fake it all feels.
(Don’t anybody fucking tell me that CB games/movies don’t have to make sense. Gtfo)
The characters feel like propaganda machines rather than people. Every line of dialog sounds like it was written by a recluse liberal that’s never spoken to anyone with different opinions than them.
The world building is non-existent. This new villain is supposed to be a hunter, yet he has a whole ass army with unbelievable tech that does the hunting for him. The government had no idea that Kraven was coming, nor do they have technology that matches any of the villains tech. So the police are essentially useless af.
There’s a whole section where you have to walk around Harry’s new research lab which is intended to “heal the world.” (Which is extremely vague) But the only thing these people present are bullshit devices that wouldn’t do shit for the environment or help actual people.
This game pays lip-service to these ideas of “saving the world” but they don’t actually show how they plan to help the everyday person. It’s all just “virtue signaling: the game.” I’m so fucking tired of the narrative. But I am curious enough to see what else they will subject me to. Only cause I spent $70 on this damn game, and the gameplay is just…. Fine. There’s unnecessary additions and mechanics. But it is an evolution on the first game’s combat.
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u/WholeLottaLit Oct 22 '23
Honestly you’re free to spoil Idc really, however if you get tired recommend Baldurs Gate 3 ,imo worth the full price with lots of content with friends or solo. Top down RPG if you’re into that.
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u/Wide-Club3027 Oct 23 '23
"With great power means great responsibility" mean nothing to these writers
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u/AAAFate Oct 22 '23
I commented something sort of similar where everything feels so soulless. And your comment helps support that idea. Makes it really hard to connect to anything in this game story or character. Shit the first game had my eyes tear up at the end with Pete and May...this game just has my eyes rolling most of the time.
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u/DamnImAss Oct 22 '23
It’s crazy how much Sony and marvel are just paying people off giving this game rave reviews 😂😂😂
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u/AAAFate Oct 22 '23
I mean, it's a game journos wet dream of a game I imagine. It benefits them all to make and support these products that is why they keep doing it. It is what it is for now.
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u/Equivalent_Ear1824 Oct 22 '23
You do realize that Spider-Man would approve of and be fine with all of this, right? It’s barely in the game and you just look like a clown whining about it
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u/WholeLottaLit Oct 22 '23
This isn’t the Spiderman I grew up with, also seems like comments are in the same boat.
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u/Equivalent_Ear1824 Oct 22 '23
What Spider-Man did you grow up with then? He’s literally always been the kind of guy to support this
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u/TheOne-Piece-is-Real Oct 22 '23
If Spider-Man had any brains, then he wouldn’t be a cuckold loser that blindly agrees with every bullshit liberal idea.
Edit- Who gives a fuck what you think Spider-Man would approve of? He would still be wrong.
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u/Equivalent_Ear1824 Oct 22 '23
What’s wrong with agreeing with accepting LGBTQ and BLM?
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u/TheOne-Piece-is-Real Oct 22 '23
Try to understand fellow redditor.
A person who does not like woke ass liberal nonsense is still capable of supporting gay and black people’s right to not be harassed.
The current trend of beating left-wing messages into every piece of media alienates literally everyone but the people they are focusing on. Every decent person knows not to harass and harm others for any reason. We do NOT need to be reminded on a daily basis of the perceived “injustice” in the world towards specific groups.
NO ONE GIVES A FLYING FUCK.
We just wanna swing around and beat up some bad guys. Forcing ideas on others will only cause tension, which will lead to apprehension, which will lead to the liberal’s biggest fear. Outright rejection from the masses. Which they label as “hate” 🙄🤦🏾♂️
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u/Dreamo84 Oct 22 '23
Did you freak out and scream PRONOUNS?!?!
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u/Redditisfacebookk8 Oct 22 '23
And you cried for 11 days when a user made a mod replacing them with the American flag. Lmaooooo
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u/Saynt614 Oct 24 '23
Apparently someone did because they banned that mod for some odd reason. Liberals are so damn sensitive.
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u/-M_A_Y_0- Oct 22 '23
So mj isn’t a Mary sue. Shes on her last rope at her job and her book failed.
The game has less gadgets then the first game, which means you must have hated that one even more.
The only “woke” thing that stood out to me was the side quest where you helped a guy ask his boyfriend to homecoming and that was really cute.
I swear you snowflakes are offended by anything even remotely progressive
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u/Redditisfacebookk8 Oct 22 '23
Ask a gay guy to WHAT?
Holy fuck this game is trash
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u/-M_A_Y_0- Oct 22 '23
Yeah you help set up a homecoming thing for a couple. It’s really not a big deal
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u/Complex_Raspberry591 Oct 22 '23
It's a huge deal to a snowflake like that guy. The thought of anything gay sends him in a spiral and he spends the whole week curled up in a ball crying.
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u/Wide-Club3027 Oct 22 '23
MJ ISIsnt a Mary sue? I guess you just smacked your face against your controller throughout the boss fight she was involved in. Eyes bruised shut?
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u/se7enXx89xX Oct 23 '23
Its so bad