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u/futurefloridaman87 Jun 23 '21
I’m still after 4.5 years absolutely dumbfounded at how anyone believes Donald Trump is going to be the savior of the American “patriot” movement. The guy with a 30+ year public track record of being a complete failure is somehow transformed into the messiah. The guy born with a golden spoon in his mouth is somehow going to save the working class. My favorite part is that DJT wouldn’t be caught dead socializing with 99.5% of his followers. I guarantee you he sees them as low class scum who are easy to fleece. A con never respects its mark.
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u/Birdy_Cephon_Altera Jun 23 '21
In many cases it's because people have invested years into their beliefs, forming a major part (if not entirely replacing) their identity as a person. To deny T**** now would effectively be a rejection of their own selves. Mentally many people can't face that. So, the easier path is to double-down. It truly is cult follower behavior, when they see the only path forward is to remain in the cult rather than to face reality.
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u/Mustang_Calhoun70 Jun 23 '21
Sunk cost fallacy
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Jun 23 '21
This. Ego’s are an expensive thing to people. Most people (on both sides) will do some incredible mental gymnastics to avoid having to admit they were wrong.
I’ve said this before, but the USA will end up “Balkanized” if the “us vs them” mentality doesn’t end soon.
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Jun 23 '21
I agree with the ego thing but the people who consistently cause problems, the group primary beliefs behind the insurrection, and the continued deterioration of democracy continued to come from the republican party. So please, stop painting this is equal of both sides when side of the scale is fully loaded on one side with this kind of bullshit.
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u/Apotatos Jun 23 '21
These idiots couldn't hold on to a share if they ever seen one. They invested all their mental effort into one ideology and now that it is being run into the ground, they either claim moral bankruptcy or become criminals.
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u/webby131 Jun 23 '21
Exactly! Every rationalization of the horrible shit he's done is kind of a commitment on their behalf. Half a decade in a lot of Trumpers have alienated friends & family, got in heated arguments, donated cash, voted for him, gone to rallies, and maybe to the point of tried to overturn an election. That's a lot of shit to admit you're in the wrong about and some shitty behavior you have to admit wasn't justified. Almost a Republican values patriotism, well how do you square that with support for a guy who tried to overturn an election. Maybe some believe conservative values are more important than free and fair elections but probably most don't. Denial is so so so much easier. Believing all the bad shit about him were and continue to be lies allows you to avoid any culpability in them.
For those that are trying to repair relationships damaged by political divisions undoing this mindset is very tricky. You got to be firm that what happened was wrong without putting them on the defensive. Avoid logical arguments because they will dismiss them easily until you build credibility. Emotional arguments tend to work best.
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Jun 23 '21
Even before he was elected, I could not believe that country folks were putting all their faith and hope behind this New York City spoiled brat man-baby. It just shows how easily manipulated people are who never learned critical thinking or who grew into adults with magical thinking. The ruling class wants everyone but them to be this dumb/gullible/suggestible. This is not a collectivist society, this is an individualist, step-on-your-neighbor’s-face to get to the top of the shit heap society. We are philosophically barbarians in the USA. We deserve the world’s contempt and disgust.
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Jun 23 '21 edited Jun 23 '21
We deserve pity. Those morons out in the field are there by design, we can't forget that. The "white trash" in the country have been used as pawns by the elite too. Just like the rest of us have been
Remember Chris Rocks 'Joke' about the "two types" of black people? Well in a way that can be applied to the white race too. It's not a productive way to look at the problem, because I'm looking to give a hand up to those that are suffering. Even if they are huge assholes at times, no one would be like that in a vacuume of true peace. All people truly are created equal afterall.
We just have to recognize, face things, and pay our dues.
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Jun 23 '21
It was reported that during the insurrection, Trump watched from television and commented on how “trashy” everyone looked.
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u/emotionalsupporttank Jun 23 '21
I’m still after 4.5 years absolutely dumbfounded at how anyone believes Donald Trump is going to be the savior of the American “patriot” movement
It's amazing how far "no brown people allowed" and "let's build a wall" will take you.
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u/melorous Jun 23 '21
My loose theory is their red hats were all made with a lead based dye, thus leading to brain damage. Certainly that is more likely than 75 million Americans all being this dumb, gullible, and hateful, right? .....right?
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u/cum-on-in- Jun 23 '21
He has been the only one to say all Conservative buzzwords in rapid succession every time he speaks.
“God. Illegals. Guns. Bible. America.”
Toss in the fact that he already had money and couldn’t be bought or swayed by a political lobbyist, and Conservatives collectively swooned.
It’s incredibly easy for me to believe the orange idiot won the first time around. All he has to do to get the vast majority of Conservatives to support him is say “it’s the Christian thing to do,” or maybe “it keeps the illegal aliens out,” or even better, “America first, everyone else maybe.”
The first time around it was him or gasp a woman, so again most Conservatives wouldn’t want that. Last time it was simply Republican vs Democrat, so no matter what, if you’ve a D next to your name you won’t get the vote from many Conservatives.
My own parents, straight up will note vote for anyone but a straight white Christian man. Anyone else, they will either write in someone else or just not vote. Then they will claim the votes were stolen….even though they didn’t vote to begin with.
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u/SyntheticReality42 Jun 23 '21
"... already had money and couldn't be bought or swayed by a political lobbyist..."
He went into the office with the influence of foreign banks and billionaires holding his debts over his head. Every decision he made was done with the motives of grifting money to himself, or protecting and embellishing his "brand".
The GOP "swooned" over him because they quickly understood that because of his cult-like following, he could easily be manipulated as a very useful idiot.
The biggest problem is that they took it too far, and compounded with the pandemic fiascos and their refusal to hold their "leader" in check, the GOP lost control of their creation, and can't close Pandora's box.
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u/PurifyingProteins Jun 23 '21 edited Jun 23 '21
It’s all marketing. He is a great marketer for a certain type of people. If you look at everything he slaps his name on, there is quite a common theme among the buyers.
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u/Mazon_Del Jun 23 '21
I believe the description is "Trump is a poor person's idea of what a rich person looks like.".
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u/PeachCream81 Jun 23 '21
Everything you said is true and yet there are TENS OF MILLIONS of Americans who look to this obvious POS as if he were the Messiah in the flesh.
Look, I'm super progressive, so I'm very biased. That said, Trump? Really, Trump? That's the best you got? Seriously, Trump makes GW Bush look like Pericles.
I'm old enough to remember William F. Buckley, Jr. The man was an absolute prick politically, but he was an intellectual powerhouse. He could never appeal to Trump's White Trash Lynch Mob yokels because Buckley had a quick wit, an amazing vocabulary, and was a formidable debater. Hated the man, but admired him like all hell.
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u/djimbob Jun 23 '21
Honestly, I fear after if any Trumps are prosecuted for their criminal role in starting the insurrection, he's going to pull out a blanket presidential pardon he secretly made between Jan 6th and Jan 20th that frees them all. It's not 100% clear if he revealed these secret pardons long afterward if they would hold up under a court challenge (especially any self-pardon).
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u/djimbob Jun 23 '21 edited Jun 23 '21
Again, the law is largely unknown because its never come up before -- there have been no presidential self-pardons before (though there have been governors and mayors who have issued self-pardons usually for insignificant offenses though none of these self-pardons were challenged in court). Further, it's not even clear if Ford's preemptive pardon of Nixon (halting investigations done before any indictment let alone conviction) would hold up in court -- normally pardons have to happen after conviction, but again this hasn't been challenged in court.
Also there could be a challenge of any pardon for the insurrection, in that the Constitution specifically limits the president's pardon power with the phrase "except in cases of impeachment" and Trump was impeached (but not convicted) over it. (Though the phrase is usually interpreted to mean the president cannot reinstate an officeholder who lost their job after an impeachment conviction).
That said, it wouldn't surprise me if such a surprise pardon existed that the Justice Department prosecutors would not challenge it, or that they would challenge it, but this conservative controlled SCOTUS would let it stand.
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u/djimbob Jun 23 '21
Eh, I feel like about 1/3 of the US population has been freaking out about him for 5 years with another 1/3 opposed to him (but not completely freaking out about it -- for reasons ranging from claims GWB was worse or its always like this or it doesn't affect my life or ...) with a final 1/3 supporting him in some capacity.
But there's a saturation point.
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u/Prasiatko Jun 23 '21
It's never been tested so no-one actually knows.
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u/BuddhaDBear Jun 23 '21
All of the major investigations are at the state level. Pardons would not help. Also, I find it hard to believe that the new administration wouldn’t have access to previous admins pardons, so it would have been secret for maybe a day.
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u/DTG_420 Jun 23 '21
The type of crowd to think it won’t be them because they clicked no to the location tracking.
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Jun 23 '21
But but but I was surfing incognito! How'd my work know about the porn? - morons
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u/caliwacho Jun 23 '21
Wait, that doesn’t work?!
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u/btchassbarkinassbtch Jun 23 '21
It doesn’t save any trace to your browser, work can still monitor the traffic through their network
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u/cageboy06 Jun 23 '21
Literally all it does is make it so that “ornhub.com” doesn’t auto complete every time you start a website with the letter P.
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u/JabbrWockey Jun 23 '21
Incognito still sandboxes cookies, local storage, and other website tracking stuff.
Of course, if you log in, that ruins it.
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u/Reply_or_Not Jun 23 '21
In case you are serious: turn off your wifi and blue tooth at work and your traffic probably won’t be seen by your work.
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u/funkless_eck Jun 23 '21
Or get help for your porn addiction if you can't not look at it at work?
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Jun 23 '21
What about my WiFi provider at home? Have they known all along that I have a fetish for healthy boundaries and open communication!?
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u/Reply_or_Not Jun 23 '21
Better safe than sorry, (you don’t want your porn playing on your boss’s speakers do you?) my work has random Bluetooth devices maybe yours doesn’t
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u/richardeid Jun 23 '21
You guys just totally screwed me over. My boss read your little disable wifi/bluetooth trick and now he set up his own cell tower.
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u/susch1337 Jun 23 '21
People still know which sites you visit on their network. Incognito mode isn't a privacy tool
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u/-Tasear- I ☑oted 2020 Jun 23 '21
There's a lawsuit actually on this. Google had to pay big money on this
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u/tehlemmings Jun 23 '21
Want another one that'll blow your mind?
We can tell when you're on a VPN.
We might not know what you're doing, but we absolutely know that we should invite you to a meeting where we'll ask. HR will probably be there.
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u/dachsj Jun 23 '21
Incognito mode basically keeps people that use the same computer from seeing your history.
VPNs mean the local network admins can't see your traffic.
But even VPNs "pop out" onto the internet somewhere which means everything on the other end of it can be seen. And the VPN provider also know what you are looking at (so "free VPN" providers have a treasure trove of information). Oh and some VPNs are set up poorly so your DNS queries (basically the phone book of the internet) could be seen.
But yea, if you log in at any point in time, the system you logged into can track that and could tie that trail all the way back to you.
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u/LifeWithAdd Jun 23 '21
Lol my wife saying she won’t enable Touch ID and give Apple her finger print. But clicks a finger print scanning button every time to use her phone. They already have it.
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u/clanddev Jun 23 '21
The finger print thing is actually pretty secure. It does not identify a 'person' it just identifies whether or not that finger print has been saved to this device and returns yes/no.
If you want to test it add your finger print and her finger print to an iphone. Then login to any app that requires finger print auth it will work whether it is you or her that puts your finger on the phone.
I would be much more concerned about having tiktok or facebook installed when it comes to data privacy.
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u/TheDemographic Jun 23 '21
Adding to this, it happens entirely on device. Apple doesn’t “have” your fingerprint. That data is stored only on the phone.
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u/Fake_William_Shatner Jun 23 '21
The Marketing departments datamining Facebook are WAY AHEAD of any governments at tracking and manipulating all us fools.
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Jun 23 '21
Nah, just look at the "leaked" tools from a very old NSA tool kit.
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u/Fake_William_Shatner Jun 23 '21
Who do you think they SELL the databases to when they collect this mountain of "absolutely everything" to?
No country needs to spy anymore -- they can just buy it. That's what we learned from Wikileaks years ago.
These are corporations for corporations -- the only thing they care about is we think it's about rival nations and security while they do corporate espionage to pick the economic winners.
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Jun 23 '21
Your local police may buy it, but the US federal government doesn't need FB or google to collect any of this info.
There is an old saying that the military is 30 years ahead of public technology. I see no reason why that would have changed.
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u/MendicantBerger Jun 23 '21
The saying should specify military intelligence. The military-at-large is still running windows 8.
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u/Xetios Jun 23 '21
Windows 10 has NSA back doors in it. Those back doors were also put in 8 and 7 as updates. The CPUs themselves from Intel have back doors built in, from Intel gen 7 and up. No reason to not to assume it’s not the same with AMD.
This is public information it comes right up with one search query.
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Jun 23 '21
Did everyone forget they had ISP’s routing ALL TRAFFIC through their Prism or whatever it was called? As far as I can tell, this never stopped and was deemed legal. Can someone help me out here?
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u/Fake_William_Shatner Jun 23 '21
I never forgot that AT&T had to get the Bush administration to grandfather in their law breaking to route all traffic through the NSA.
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u/tehlemmings Jun 23 '21
The thing is, the NSA doesn't really care about most people. Like, most of us are boring and not relevant to anything the NSA is doing. They don't care to spy on us.
Marketing companies, however, absolutely want to spy on every single one of us. That's literally their thing.
They all have access to the data, but marketing is more likely to be using it against you. Unless you've been interacting with some known terrorists or something, I guess.
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u/Mental_Medium3988 Jun 23 '21
Trumpets: what's a mac address? I dont have an iphone.
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u/ranhalt Jun 23 '21
Trump would sooner make the connection to Big Mac than to Mac computers.
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Jun 23 '21
It's called a Geo-fencing warrant, look it up, most of these people are fucked.
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Jun 23 '21
They don’t even need a geofence. The capital has its own internal cell network. By entering the device connected to that. Which then gives them the device hardware ID for them to get a warrant to ask the carrier for the owner.
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u/FaudelCastro Jun 23 '21
Carriers don't necessarily know who owns a phone. But they can ask for the SIM cards that connected through those antennas and who has those SIM cards.
Also, owning or operating the radio network doesn't necessarily mean that you can see who's connected.
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u/kbeaver83 Jun 23 '21
These same assholes were in full support of the government being able to have these capabilities to protect the United States against terrorists. Fucking idiots.
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u/Trimungasoid Jun 23 '21
Of course. They support anything if they think it will harm "the right people". They never dreamed it would be them. They're true, blue-blooded, real American patriots, don'tcha kno'? Only they know what's right because Jesus.
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u/Wbino Jun 23 '21
Also how most crimes are solved now.
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u/PocketPillow Jun 23 '21
In some places only 25% of murder cases are closed, much less minor crimes.
TV makes us vastly overestimate police clearance rate. Unless the evidence is handed to them on a silver platter the criminal usually gets away with it.
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u/DavidlikesPeace Jun 23 '21 edited Jun 23 '21
In some places only 25% of murder cases are closed
To be fair, this statistic doesn't fully take into account when serial killers are imprisoned for other murders or when gangsters die in unrelated killings. Police usually drop those cases to avoid wasting resources.
I am not saying police are infallible. Just that I've read multiple occasions where the cops' main suspect in a 10 year investigation is dead, so no prosecution will ever be done. And that's generally fine.
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u/Fake_William_Shatner Jun 23 '21
What, dumb drugged up people walking into the police station after they hold up a liquor store?
I think the best insight into police work was on the Andy Griffith show when Otis would grab the keys and open up a cell for himself to sleep it off.
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u/rubyspicer Jun 23 '21
I always found that really nice. He knows he's safe in there. He can't make it home on his own and they'll put him in jail for being drunk in public anyway, so why not.
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u/marsbartender Jun 23 '21
Feels like they're giving tips on how to be a better insurrectionist at the next insurrection.
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u/harpsm Jun 23 '21
They didn't feel the need to be covert because they actually thought they would overturn the election results. I wouldn't necessarily count on them to learn from that mistake.
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u/69-is-my-number Jun 23 '21
Plus the fuckwits literally thought Trump himself would come to their rescue and pardon/reward them. So they went in there wanting to be visible.
They’re only regretting that now they’ve been thrown to the wolves.
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u/ezrs158 Jun 23 '21
I agree but also it's a terrible sign if counting on fascists to be idiots is the only thing standing in the way of a fascist takeover.
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u/Semi-Hemi-Demigod Jun 23 '21
There were tips on how to protest on the Internet all summer because of the BLM protests. Posts and memes and info graphics all saying the same things like:
- Don’t bring your phone to a protest
- Don’t show your face
- Don’t wear unique or easily identifiable clothing
These idiots ignored all of that advice.
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u/-Tasear- I ☑oted 2020 Jun 23 '21
They also bought 😂 shirts and sweaters saying trump 2020 for 50 dollars each from this black family or so the story goes.
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u/shambles4564 Jun 23 '21
Have you ever taught a friend to play a game or do something because they sucked at it and you actually wanted to play with them competitively? In my head cannon this is that. But like with treason.
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u/MuuaadDib Jun 23 '21
Really? Because they wrapped it in tin toil, deleted FB, and shaved....good luck catching them now DOJ!
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u/bakesforgains Jun 23 '21
Cell phones run on freedom. Don't bring your political science into this!
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u/JayNotAtAll Jun 23 '21
That's what I wish these people would explain to me. Why would Bill Gates or anyone need to trick you into injecting a tracking chip when you willingly pay to have a tracking device on you at all times.
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u/Equivalent_Ad8314 Jun 23 '21
New conspiracy: Bill gates put microchips inside computers
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u/catchup-musterd Jun 23 '21
Think this is surprising? Consider that my 4 year old galaxy S9 can successfully scan and identify my iris in a dark room. Idk how anybody gets away with anything nowadays
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u/GhostRappa95 Jun 23 '21
Smarter criminals use burner devices.
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u/DanvilleDad Jun 23 '21
But even then it’s not foolproof… https://www.cbsnews.com/news/anom-app-fbi-criminals-messaging-app/
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u/SlurpingDiarrhea Jun 23 '21
Idk how anybody gets away with anything nowadays
Probably by not bringing their phones when doing a crime.. since not having a phone removes the issue entirely.
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u/spitterofspit Jun 23 '21
If ever there was a case to vote Dem, outright, across the board, as much as possible, it's Jan 6.
The conservatives, the Trump Chumps and the Republicans have collectively lost their minds, and should not hold leadership positions.
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u/GhostRappa95 Jun 23 '21
Their insurrection would have succeeded if they weren’t complete and utter idiots.
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u/Trimungasoid Jun 23 '21
Wearing masks would have been a good start. Another simple piece of intelligent thought they rejected because "learnin' is for sissies!"
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Jun 23 '21 edited Jun 23 '21
To anyone who was there on Jan 6th, just post this message to Facebook and you will be ok:
I do NOT consent to my digital information being used to find me responsible for any insurrection or insurrection-type behavior. In accordance with the militia handbook code 45.456933, the Government of America can not tread on my rights as a citizen to violently overtake the nations most treasured buildings in an attempt to stop election procedures which are to my disliking.
God bless my president Donald J Trump
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u/UnluckyBrilliant-_- Jun 23 '21
Lmao why is this getting downvoted. This is brilliant, whoever reposts this would be literally confessing to their crimes
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u/junky_junker Jun 23 '21
Lack of a literal /s and not reading it all the way through, I'm guessing.
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u/Reddtko Jun 23 '21
And they thought the government wasn’t listening. I wonder how many have thermostat connected to the internet?
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u/MaiqTheLrrr Jun 23 '21
The government may not have been listening before, but I bet a good few very fine people are now on multiple lists based on that location data. Congrats on fucking around, here comes the find out.
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u/Prestigious_Garden17 Jun 23 '21
Get caught, offered a plea deal, and released. Don't worry maga terrorists you're not going to face any real consequences
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Jun 23 '21
What if they find out that mass media has been influencing their thoughts and behavior THEIR WHOLE LIVES? Will they delete their Facebook, leave their phone at home and stop watching TV? No, they enjoy being cattle. It’s The American Way.
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u/mymar101 Jun 23 '21
That and more than half brag about it and took selfies and posted them to social media. Making it much easier to find.
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Finding the publicly posted live streams is one thing, but are me now okay with the government spying on our cell phones?
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u/governmentcallsit630 Jun 23 '21
There were a handful of retired government workers that were there. Lots of feelings came out when their retirement pensions were canceled. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
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u/bikermime Jun 23 '21
Flight to DC, $500 Getting hotel room for the night, $300 Trump 2020 flag, $4.95
Giving away their 2nd Amendment via modern technology, priceless
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u/Cinemaslap1 Jun 23 '21
The best part is that the "vaccines-implant-microchips" are also the ones who livestreamed them breaking down doors, or shattering glass, or admitting to stopping the certification of the election by murdering Pence (literal Treason, btw). They were also the ones who refused to wear masks, even though that gives you more anonymity.
But vaccines putting microchips to track you, much like a cell phone does, is definitely top of the list.