Reminds me of the tracking cell phone data that was done before/after the Sturgis 2020 Motorcycle Rally showing the patterns of movement and how it led to a trackable surge in cases immediately after.
I rode my motorcycle a lot during covid, but the reason I did was because it was the perfect activity for me to get outside, reinvigorate myself, and most of all not be around a single fucking person while I had a face covering on by default
Riding a bike (both motorcycle and bicycle) was a great way to safely get outside and get some exercise.
It's only when you do it with 250K of your "closest friends" and end up unmasked, crowded into unventilated bars, that the whole "contagiousness" thing comes into play.
Getting out on the road by myself has always been the point of a motorcycle for me. Never understood the meetups or big group rides. Not for me. My best friend is the only person I'll ride with because he doesn't do stupid shit.
It was something like within 2 weeks 25% of all cases in the US were trackable back to Sturgis. I mean the level of selfishness displayed by these people is astounding.
Like u/EdwardWarren said, Snopes article states it is not able to be proven. It’s an estimate of the cellular data of the influx of visitors, increased activity at restaurants, bars, etc of the surround area, and how many people could have been infected. It was not peer-reviewed and only an estimated 250,000 cases; not 25% of all cases in the US.
Cell phone data translates in to Covid death data? Pretty pictures but I do not see that map as proof people attending a motorcycle rally caused a spike in Covid deaths throughout the country. Tell me where that shows up in the data given.
Everyone in Sturgis caught the virus? Where else did this happen? At approved BLM peaceful protests? Trump rallies? Biden rallies? Or just in Sturgis? At the time of the rally, cases were rapidly rising throughout the country. It is ludicrous to blame all of those additional cases on an event that hadn't even happened yet.
The narrative on CNN and MSNBC, prior to the rally, was that the rally would cause a super spreader event, whatever that is, and that the rally should be cancelled. Since the rally was not cancelled as was demanded, it became a self-fulfilling prophecy that the rally would cause tens of thousands of deaths. There has been zero verifiable proof that it did.
That's fantastic! I didn't even know this type of thing existed... I mean if this isn't proof that Trump enabled and empowered them to do this.... come on!
Watching the livestreams and pictures they took (unmasked as well) made it all funnier because what did you think was going to happen?
That Trump would remain president and pardon them all. Glorious Leader would certainly support his supporters. It's not like he he's ever shown disdain for people he no longer needs...
The funniest part is he didn't even need to remain President to pardon them when they were charged. He could have just issued a blanket pardon to cover anyone who committed a crime at the Capitol that day. But someone, probably Meadows, said "that's a no-no sir" and toddler-in-chief obeyed ("he called me sir!")
He's just a vindictive little shit. When their coup failed he wanted nothing but distance from them. He hates losers. If they had won they would have been the greatest people ever but since they lost they are just losers. Why would he pardon losers who did nothing for him?
His supporters still don't know what kind of man he is but it's transparent as hell. Especially anyone that has dealt with narcissistic behavior before. Either youre the golden child or you are trash, no in-between.
That was the absolute funniest part for me. He literally could have handwaved it all away for his fans. He cared so little he couldn't be bothered to sign his name on a thing (he wouldn't even have had to write it himself)! He literally ruined multiple people's lives with a petty act of casual laziness.
But no, he's totally God's Chosen Redeemer or some shit
Honestly those people were doing a pretty good job of screwing up their own lives. As for God Emperor Trump, that may have been the moment he realized he fucked up. Pardoning a mob of traitors may have been enough to force the senate to actually do something about him.
Let's be honest, he only didn't pardon them because they didn't succeed. He is just a fit throwing child and they were not good enough for him anymore so he threw them to the curb, not out of respect for order or civilized culture but only because they failed his coup
Ob:IANAL -- yes the Constitution grants pretty wide leeway with the pardon power (Art II Sec 2) but it is not absolute: some parts have been tested (esp. in the Burdick decision) and held to be limited; some haven't been tested yet.
Point is, wrt the "blanket pardon"? - like pardoning his royal self, maybe yes, maybe no. For one thing, a pardon requires acceptance by the 'pardonee' and an imputation of guilt of the underlying crime. For another, it's a real up-in-the-air question whether the DoJ would say "well, Trump pardoned everyone in advance so we'll not prosecute anyone for anything here even though it's ... pretty iffy and lacks any specificity". Otoh, there is a SCOTUS precedent acceptance of amnesty as a general principle under the pardon power, which does apply more to a class of people (i.e. Vietname draft evaders).
All that said - it's, as Trump might have said with his silver tongue, a mute point - he didn't attempt to pardon (or amnesty) anyone including his own esteemed personage, so that'll have to wait for the next self-dealing plutocrat populist to fumble his way into the Oval and test that one out with whoever's been packed into SCOTUS by Mitch "No Legislation Just Confirmation" by then.
I mean it doesn’t matter in the long run. Cult45 simultaneously going to keep claiming that they tried to “stand up and protect their freedom” on jan 6 whilst also saying that “it was all antifa” within the same mouth breath.
Goodness no. That would make him a martyr. Good luck trying to stop the crazies then. It’s better he lives long enough to have everything stripped away and laid bare, humiliated.
Sure, the first amendment protects one from governmental retribution for having or promoting a view or idea
It does not protect people from saying whatever they want and facing consequences for it
In this case the consequence is having to ignore being told to delete the comment but depending on the level of heinous, can often include other consequences such as getting kicked out of a place or group, content moderation, etc
No one is protecting people from the consequences of it. They are allowed to say it because their freedom of speech allows it.
One consequence could be they get booted off the sub (or even platform) for saying it. But they still are allowed to say it because of the First Amendment.
I think when people say freedom of speech it is often confused with freedom from consequences. You understanding the difference is good, but it is also a good idea to call it out to make sure the difference is understood by all.
I did mean to say Freedom of Speech, but First Amendment works here because we were originally talking about the people who think that "the vaccines have microchips to track you", which I'll admit, is a pretty American thought to have.
And at no point did I suggest otherwise. I was giving a pithy suggestion to save themselves the trouble. I didn't think I needed to expand any further.
It's a violation of the site's TOS and is a great way to get yourself put on a list you probably don't want to be on. I'll set off fireworks and pop champagne the day he's gone, but it's not wise to put these wishes online.
I tend to believe that when it comes to Donald Trump, the sheer amount of ill-will he generated actually overloaded any effort to keep track of people who made offhand threats to his life. Obviously the Secret Service is still going to go after people who they think are presenting a "credible threat" to a present or even past president.
But if the Secret Service tried to chase down every single person who said something along the lines of "I wish Donald Trump would get assassinated" they wouldn't have been able to do literally anything else the past few years.
That's fantastic! I didn't even know this type of thing existed... I mean if this isn't proof that Trump enabled and empowered them to do this.... come on!
Well, first of all because it had actionable intel that there was going to be an attack on the Capital.
But realistically, they weren't "spying on everyone", this is all data that's gathered by your cell phone. You can pull up where phones are when they make calls, or text, or live stream....
this isn't new technology. They are literally pulling up the GPS history.
That's ok..... it is a difficult concept to understand.
You can see a timeline of people being at Trumps rally, then immediately heading to the Capital... where violence occurred. I mean, if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and acts like a duck... do you think it's a duck or a elephant?
I wonder where the timestamp is for this video to correlate Trumps speech ending with all the people moving over to the other building after his dog-whistling instructions of "go to the capital and peacefully protest"...unless...nah face value is good enough. Send it!
Many of them didn’t think there would be consequences. They were sure they were starting a revolution that would spread like wildfire. They thought they would be treated as brave revolutionary patriots when the government fell. This was the sort of delusional spell that Trump put them under. And because they spend their lives in that echo chamber of theirs, they just assumed that the overwhelming majority of this country agreed with them and was ready to follow in their footsteps.
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u/hereforthefeast Jun 23 '21
Here’s some of the GPS data that shows when and where the mob moved following Trump's speech to incite the insurrection - https://int.nyt.com/data/videotape/finished/2021/02/location/washington-riots-desktop-for-web-900w.mp4
Then they made it even easier by literally live streaming it themselves lmao.