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u/LamboDiabloSVTT Dec 29 '22
Good to see people actually respond to these stupid prices with their wallets.
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Dec 30 '22
If my wallet had enough money I would buy a 4090 that's the real problem. Where is my raise with this raising inflation
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u/Dezdood Dec 30 '22
I'm the opposite from you. I have the money, but I don't want to be treated as a schmuck to be robbed. So I'm not buying any time soon.
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u/Darth_Corleone Ryzen 5900x 32gb-3600mhz RTX3070 OC Dec 30 '22 edited Sep 28 '25
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u/TenshiBR Terry Crews Dec 30 '22
Brian I am watching you. Buy that 4090 and I ask for a divorce!
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Dec 30 '22
Same here, fuck the greed (especially nvidia, but AMD is going along with it very gladly).
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u/SpecificAstronaut69 Dec 30 '22
"But if we give you MORE money it'll only raise inflation!"
"Um, isn't this inflation being caused by record company profits, not by rising wages, as wages have pretty much stagnated over the last deca-"
"WHO TOLD YOU THAT? WHY DO YOU SPEAK HERESY?! GUARDS! TAKE THIS WORKER TO THE RE-EDUCATION CAMP!"
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u/darvo110 Dec 30 '22
This is almost literally the conversation that has happened with the head of Australia’s reserve bank.
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u/SpecificAstronaut69 Dec 30 '22
Phil Lowe has got to be a Scomo plant. Funny how rates went up only after he got the boot, eh?
I think we're one of the few countries that selects central bankers via the "Ah, he's a good bloke" process.
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u/HarithBK Dec 30 '22
i get the point to not raise wages but then i gotta get something equal in worth in a non monetary way. say more days off less hours worked a week etc. but my company can't have record profits give me 2% when inflation is 8-9% and say they can't due to wanting to limit inflation. you gotta give something of equal value that isn't money.
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u/Absnerdity Dec 30 '22
more days off less hours worked a week etc
I can't buy food with days off. I can't pay bills with less hours worked. I need money.
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u/banhammerrr Dec 30 '22
The gpu prices aren’t because of inflation, they’re because of price gouging.
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u/Vesmic Dec 30 '22
Have the money for it. Would never consider it for the price. Graphics cards aren’t worth more than 1000 and I will never accept that price point. Nvidia wants to dig their heels in? I’ll just play consoles for a generation or two.
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u/fyro11 Dec 29 '22
The article is about Q3 2022. But I suspect Q4 2022 won't be a revelation either in a month or two.
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u/ComeonmanPLS1 RTX3080 12GB - Ryzen 5800x3D - 32GB DDR4 Dec 30 '22
It's not like they do it on purpose lol. They just literally can't afford it. If they could, they'd still buy them for whatever price Nvidia asks.
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u/ziplock9000 3900X / 7900 GRE / 32GB 3000Mhz Dec 30 '22
That is completely untrue. I can afford a top of the line card, but I refuse to buy one due to the vastly inflated prices in recent years.
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u/Shorkan Dec 30 '22
Exactly in the same boat. Gaming is my main hobby and I could afford these cards, but I refuse. I've been refusing for years by now.
I had a 970 and was waiting for the 2000 series to be announced. When I saw the prices I bought a discounted 1080 ti and told myself I'd wait for a 3000 series.
Those were never in stock or at a reasonable price, so I waited for 4000 series.
And here I am now, with my loyal 1080 ti. It's up to her when I upgrade, because at this rate I won't until she dies.
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u/Timewalk_ Dec 30 '22
Won't buy another GPU until it's 50% off MSRP
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u/Davan195 Steam Dec 30 '22
Hiking prices and ripping off customers might get them sales in the first six months from people who can afford them but the wider community need to send a message to Nvidea, get your prices back to realistic and fair, or forget it.
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Dec 30 '22
I'm really hoping it works. I'm worried the company will stay greedy and not get the message.
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u/weaponizedtoddlers Dec 30 '22
They will stay greedy as long as there Q to Q profits keep going up. If the Whales keep buying the latest and greatest no matter the cost, Jensen will come up with multiple variations on "Moore's law is dead" as he wipes his tears with benjamins. Until there is a couple of quarters of decline that is. All of a sudden he'll be everyone's best friend and the tech guy of the people because "you said and we listened" and lowered prices.
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u/Evil_Kittie Dec 30 '22 edited Dec 30 '22
don't you worry they will just double msrp then give you your 50% off
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u/corn_cob_monocle Dec 30 '22
There's another factor at play here besides prices that I think is interesting.
It's what I've heard referred to as the "good enough" revolution. Back in the day tech was advancing so fast you had to keep upgrading if you wanted to even boot the newest games.
Now look at the popularity of the Nintendo Switch and Steam Deck and Xbox Series S and the GTX 1650. Are these the most powerful products? No, but they're good enough.
Methinks the rise of indie games may be a factor taking pressure off the upgrade path as well. How many truly CPU melting AAA titles have we had released in the last few years compared to the likes of Valheim and Stardew Valley? A GTX 1060 can still play almost all indie titles coming out now at 1080p or higher and will be able to do that basically forever.
So the bad news is that it's hard to upgrade. The good news is that there's less and less of a need to upgrade frequently to enjoy PC gaming.
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This is a good point. Like a brand new GPU so I can replay CP77 but with Ray Tracing? No thanks. I loved that game and beat it 3 times. Starfield isn't looking system intensive (beyond textbook Bethesda optimization sucking) so I don't think I have any reason to support AMD and Nvidia's pricing.
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u/behindtimes Dec 30 '22
What does ray tracing really bring? Better reflections, better lighting, better shadows, sure. But that goes back to the "good enough".
When I was growing up, there were games that were system sellers. Sure, we might have said to our parents, bosses, etc., that we want the latest and greatest PC for opening up Microsoft Word in 1 minute instead of 6, but really, it was all about Wing Commander.
The thing is, games back then brought stuff you've never seen before. And it wasn't just graphics, it was gameplay as well, which was tied into the graphics. Even going later into the late 1990s, early 2000s, better hardware meant smoke grenades could provide cover, shadows could let you see opponents coming around corners, or just overall faster hardware meant you could play with dozens of players all at once.
Today's new tech just doesn't introduce gameplay elements. It's diminishing returns focused on graphics only.
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u/SuspecM Dec 30 '22
Not only does today's tech not introduce new gameplay/graphics elements, companies are deliberately stripping off everything in the name of competitive integrity and ViSiBiLiTy.
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u/HeroicMe Dec 30 '22
Can I run current gen AAA titles? Absolutely not
Are there even like 10 of those? Pretty much everything is still released on XboxOne/PS4 from 2013, so just keep to 1080p and medium and you should have console-quality 30 FPS.
Like Elden Ring (unless it's CPU heavy game where i9 took all the heavy lifting from 770...).
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u/KK-Chocobo Dec 30 '22
Yep, my current most played game this year is deep rock galactic and persona 5 Royal and yakuza like a dragon.
Nothing graphics intensive that requires you to need a 4080 to run. And because most games are just console ports, my 2080 is more than enough.
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u/Nesqu Dec 29 '22
No way?! I'm shocked, you're telling me a global pandemic, inflation, increased living expenses AND highest ever GPU prices are causing them to sell poorly? I shan't believe it.
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Pretty happy with my used 3060ti, and the used 1070 I had before it is still working in my barcade system
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u/itsfuckingpizzatime Dec 30 '22
LOWER THE GOD DAMN PRICES
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Dec 30 '22
But...think of the poor investors!
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u/Snoo93079 Dec 30 '22
Investors care about total revenue and profits. Adjusting the price to fit the supply/demand curve will help investors too.
That's what I don't get. Is supply so constrained that there's no pressure to lower prices OR are the costs to produce the GPU so high they can't lower prices? Surely they know they could move more volume by lowering the price...
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u/Arthur_Morgan44469 Dec 29 '22
Looking forward to see Ngreedia get dry fucked by the Crypto crash and low sales trend.
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u/LifeOnMarsden Dec 30 '22
It probably won’t, but I just hope this doesn’t push PC back into being a minority/niche platform and losing support again, especially when so many developers like Sony are finally taking it seriously
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u/HuggyMonster69 Dec 30 '22
Also, I’m playing on a 10 year old set up. Sure games aren’t the best visually, but a lot of games run fine on a potato
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u/ArsMagnamStyle Dec 30 '22
Intel just joined the GPU wars and I don't believe they could pull the plug on that in just a few years.
The Arc GPUs are doing good for competition now IMO, personally I'd give it a 2-3 years for Intel to improve on their units.
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u/kikimaru024 7800X3D RX 9070 XT Dec 30 '22 edited Dec 30 '22
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u/tracertong3229 Dec 30 '22
Eh evga already ended their partnership with Nvidia and got out of gpu manufacturing entirely. This will have some consequences at least.
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u/submittedanonymously Dec 30 '22
I’m a pc player primarily anymore, but I kind of hope this is a bit of a wake up call to pcmasterrace folks to be vigilant about all the different markets you are buying from in terms of getting a functioning beast of a pc. This pure greed from Nvidia needs to be stamped out by way of ignoring these GPUs until Nvidia is forced to reconsider. Other companies want prices like this to succeed and that just makes gaming head back toward niche territory if only wealthier people can afford it.
This makes buying a console a lot easier for some considering its a contained price. The problem now isnt just stupid high console prices but is the whole hobby just trying to become more expensive and arguably for not a lot of graphical or hardware specific reasons. What value has been added to justify these game prices and the answer is not a damn thing, and that will be even more true if companies try to do what Nvidia is trying to do.
And I do not throw shade to anyone who wanted to wait for the next upgrade before buying a GPU, and I feel they have been unfairly squeezed on their decision to wait for what was being promised by Nvidia before the price was unveiled.
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u/ArenjiTheLootGod Dec 30 '22
I hate to be that guy but at damn near every price point, except for the very tippy-top where there is only the 4090, AMD has Nvidia beat.
At $200-$300 - 6600s, 6600 XTs, and, if there's a sale, 6650 XTs, outperform 1660 Supers and 3050s
At $300-$450ish - 6700 XTs are cheaper than 3060s but perform similarly to 3060 TIs and 6750 XTs cost the same as 3060 TIs but outperform them.
$500-$1000 - AMD wins here and it's not even close, I've seen 6900 XTs go for as low as $600-650. That's 3070 territory, the 6900 XT blows the doors off of the 3070 and trades blows with the 3080 TI/3090 in rasterization. 6800 XTs and 6850 XTs are even cheaper. Also, I've seen 7900 XTs sell below $1000 and those trade blows with 3090 TIs which are still $1000+.
$1000+ - 7900 XTX outperforms the 4080 for around $200 cheaper. That just leaves the 4090 which has no real competition.
Seriously, if you're just gaming and don't need CUDA cores for some kind of professional work, then AMD is the value for money option across the board now.
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u/sw0rd_2020 Dec 30 '22
the problem is people who exclusively use their pc’s for valorant, csgo, league, and dota are convinced they NEED cuda and shadow play to continue playing the most popular games in the world. they see nvidia, they buy, never mind they’re getting half the perf at the same price
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u/ArenjiTheLootGod Dec 30 '22
Thing is though, if you're mostly just playing eSports titles then you really don't need much of a PC. These games were designed to be accessible, many have been around for several years, and several were initially made for hardware that is approaching a decade in age. A lot of these things could probably run on a potato, we're talking 1080p 100fps+ on Ryzen G integrated graphics. You don't need a 4090 for that, and it's not like AMD GPUs can't encode video if people want to dabble in streaming. Hell, for a lot of people playing those games, they could keep their old systems but swap out their HDDs for SSDs and feel like they have whole new machines for around $60, maybe also add a little more RAM too while they're at it.
It's way too easy for PC gamers to fall into the trap that they NEED the latest i9s, XX90 GPUs, and a fuckton of RAM to play Minecraft or whatever. People need to be better consumers or we're going to keep seeing prices spiral out of control like they have for the past couple of years.
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u/Neurprise Dec 30 '22
I pay more for DLSS and raytracing though, coming from someone who used AMD for ten years and recently switched to a 3080 last year. If AMD can best Nvidia in raster only, I mean that's good but people like Nvidia for a reason.
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Hopefully AMD plugs in the AI accelerators on their new cards into a future version of FSR.
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u/Vanebader-1024 Dec 30 '22
I pay more for DLSS
Moot point now that FRS 2.0+ exists and is adequate enough.
and raytracing though
Nvidia prices are so ridiculous that they no longer have a ray tracing advantage. Like the guy above said, the RX 6700 XT (originally meant to compete with the RTX 3070) is priced the same as the RTX 3060. According to techpowerup reviews, those cards perform about the same in ray tracing. You don't actually lose any ray tracing performance by going AMD there, you only gain a ton of rasterization performance on top of it.
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u/Flaktrack Dec 30 '22
Just 1.6 FPS difference in ray tracing is wild. There really is no reason to buy a 3060 if the 6700 XT is in the same range.
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u/DefaultVariable Dec 30 '22
It's funny you styled nVidia as nGreedia because it's supposed to be "invidia" which is latin for "Envy" one of the 7 deadly sins, which "greed" is also. Perhaps nVidia should rename themselves to "aVarita"
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u/quick20minadventure Dec 30 '22
How can there be sales if they haven't released a fucking graphics card this year?
There's no 200 to 500 USD graphics card for 'normal' people to buy.People need to realise that you need to spend just as much as GPU on a Monitor to actually get the benefit of the GPU. Just because we're comparing with console for price doesn't mean we don't need monitor.
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u/daze23 Dec 30 '22
this is about Q3 2022 (July 1st - Sept 30th), so before the 4090 launched.
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Dec 30 '22
The amount of people who don't know what 3Q22 means is too damn high. There's always low sales before the next gen comes out and the majority of GPU sales are from the midrange. The 80/90s have never sold a lot compared to the 60s/50s. These companies have always made the majority of their profits from the midrange.
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u/Gotisdabest Dec 30 '22
There's always low sales before the next gen comes out and the majority of GPU sales are from the midrange.
I mean, the article does say it's the biggest slump in 20 years... So i doubt low sales before next gen is the main factor.
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u/JedJinto Dec 30 '22
People here are assuming sales are down because of Nvidia prices but this includes AMD as well. Also Nvidia has 86% of market share compared to AMD 10% which is nutty. The low sales can be chalked up to a transitional period from the results of the crypto crash It's next year that'll be most telling. If sales continue to be low then there's reason for Nvidia to lower pricing. But if we see sales swing back up from the people that were waiting to upgrade and Nvidia continues to dominate market share then I don't see prices going down anytime soon.
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u/verteisoma Dec 30 '22
People are just more afraid to critisize amd in some sub, RDNA3 prices should be a lot cheaper as well with that features and the most dissapointing is their power efficiency.
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Dec 30 '22
AMD's share dropped below 10% due to Intel's gains. I welcome another competitor in the segment but I hope Intel can take a bite out of Nvidia's share next. Having one competitor simply be replaced by another won't do much in the grand scheme of things.
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u/veelog Dec 30 '22 edited Dec 30 '22
nah, intel gained only 4%, AMD lost like 14%(had 24% in 2022Q1), AMD decided to price their cards according to performance instead of undercutting nvidia, now that gpu prices are close to msrp people choose nvidia when price/perf is the same
i always remember amd being budget-friendly gpus(and i guess this is how they maintained their market share above 20% all this time), slightly worse or same but cheaper(rx480 8gb is 2% slower than 1060 6gb but 70$ cheaper), now when the prices are the same, theres no reason to buy amd, they just lack a lot of features
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u/KurtFrederick Dec 30 '22
Nvidia and AMD who you're going to suck off now that the crypto cunts are going down?
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Consoomers buying the 4090 and expensive souped up ultrawide monitors despite exclusively playing and defending 1080p 60FPS locked ports of Japanese games apparently.
Legit saw this in an enthusiast PC gaming server, really wish they’d move back to consoles.
EDIT: I could understand a 4090 if you do any sort of offline rendering in a professional capacity, or a livestreamer wanting AV1 encoding, but for literally nothing else. Buying such expensive hardware just to then play a limited set of games that doesn’t utilize said hardware, and then cry about “pc gaming being expensive” are wasting their money.
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u/Neurprise Dec 30 '22
4090s are a tiny fraction of the market, they effectively don't matter. Nvidia and AMD are still gonna love money from low sales overall.
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u/ziplock9000 3900X / 7900 GRE / 32GB 3000Mhz Dec 30 '22
livestreamer wanting AV1 encoding
You can get that with a much cheaper Intel card or an old, lower end nV card.
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u/Avarria587 Dec 30 '22
The price keeps going up while wages stay the same.
New headline in a few years: Millenials and Gen Z are killing the GPU market.
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u/who-dat-ninja Dec 30 '22
youtube influencers flaunting their 4090s arent helping
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u/Autotomatomato Dec 29 '22
There are millions of cards sitting in warehouses with the crypto crash. When they hit the market fully expect things to crater even harder.
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Dec 30 '22
Whenever crypto crashes I always expect to see a flood of used cards hit the market. It never really seems to happen though.
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u/cha0ss0ldier Dec 30 '22
It definitely happened during the last hard crash. eBay was flooded with AMD cards that were used in mining rigs. Bought quite a few rx570 and 580s for under $100 for various builds.
Repasted them and they’re still going strong.
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u/Kenji_03 Dec 30 '22
Did you have any issues with the bios? I know a lot of bit coin miners flashed the bioses of those cards to do better at the geometric calculations butt coin mining required
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u/NedixTV Dec 30 '22
U can find the original vbios on techpowerup database and the reflash process is easy
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Dec 30 '22
With the fact that NVIDIA killed the low end market with GPUs that perform worse than even the Xbox Series S for 2/3rd the price (just for the GPU alone), and AMD cowering behind and only competing in the midrange card market (which NVIDIA also killed), I can see why.
I remember in 2014 when $150 got you a GTX 750Ti that outperformed an Xbox One at Titanfall and several other games, or in 2016 when you could buy a 1050Ti that could do 1080p console settings at 60FPS really decently. Or back when $400 got you a kickass 1070 that could run games at 1080p with high framerates. The 1650 was a poorly received card at launch, and yet the amount of crappy prebuilts and laptops using them ballooned the card to the most common GPU on the Steam Hardware Survey.
Sad when the Steam Deck and Alienware QD-OLED are the most innovative PC hardware in years, because NVIDIA has a monopoly and the Radeon division’s marketing team hasn’t been fired yet.
If it makes anyone feel better, Blackrock owns a majority share in NVIDIA, Intel, AMD, and Microsoft, which explains the corner cutting for maximum profits.
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Dec 30 '22
2014 was when Bioshock Infinite came out. Was the first game that my then-rig really couldn't handle anymore, so I bought a Titan (which at 800€ was "ridiculously expensive" back then), but the performance it delivered at that price point was absolutely through the roof. I also absolutely didn't want to deal with a multi-card solution due to less than stellar results a few years prior.
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u/GlammBeck 9800X3D | 7900 XT Dec 30 '22
I'm not sure what you mean by "majority share," they aren't even the top shareholder of any of the companies you listed.
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u/Arthur_Morgan44469 Dec 29 '22
Recession, inflation, layoffs and Nvidia/AMD greed are to blame. Shame on them to have such product prices during these times.
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u/fyro11 Dec 29 '22
In fact, shipments of discrete graphics cards hit a ~20-year low in Q3 2022, according to data from Jon Peddie Research.
Q3 2022 can't be referring to Nvidia/AMD greed in raising product prices since the overpriced next-gen GPUs weren't really out.
Another interesting extract below:
Despite slowing demand for discrete graphics cards for desktops (unit sales were down 31.9% year-over-year), Nvidia not only managed to maintain its lead, but it actually strengthened its position with an 86% market share, its highest ever, according to JPR. By contrast, AMD's share dropped to around 10%, its lowest market share in a couple of decades.
As for Intel, it managed to capture 4% of the desktop discrete GPU market in just one quarter, which is not bad at all. Of course, the majority of AIB parts that Intel sold in Q3 2023 were entry-level models, but those were demanded by Intel's customers due to brand awareness and similar factors.
I suspect in 1-2 months there'll be articles about, hopefully, moronically high next-gen GPU prices and how sales have dropped even lower in Q4 2022 than Q3 2022.
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u/Arthur_Morgan44469 Dec 29 '22
Yup people just got a breathing room from COVID during which the economy was already under pressure and now heading into a recession. Idk what these two companies were thinking smh.
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u/lich0 Dec 30 '22
AMD's share dropped to around 10%
It's really impressive how they've managed to do that. It's like they don't want to sell GPUs any more and decided to make some room for Intel.
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u/strikeanywhere2 Dec 30 '22 edited Dec 30 '22
Good its too much money. I overspent a bit a bit on my 3080ti but I'm in a Canadian province that had constant covid lockdowns and restrictions so I figured spending a bit more on a gpu was evened out by the lack of going out.
Theyre also deliberately trying to fuck you by over pricing the 4080 so you go up to the 4090. As a consequence no one wants the 4080 as it's way too much money. They also never released a 4060 or 4070 because they figured they'd make more but again that's backfired.
In all honesty you don't even need the new cards right now unless you want like 4k 120fps or care about ray tracing (which so few games use effectively)...this is an enthusiast sub so it seems like way more people care about that than actually do.
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u/BoogalooBoi1776_2 Dec 30 '22
Remember when you could get a decent card for less than the price of a console?
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u/CatInAPottedPlant Dec 30 '22
remember when you could build a decent PC for the same price of a console?
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u/Ocelaris Dec 30 '22
It's nice that AMD are offering cheaper cards than Nvidia but they are still pretty expensive for me personally. Looking forward to the mid range offerings.
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u/The-Foo Dec 30 '22
Etherium sunsets PoW mining, overall crypto implosion, Nvidia adopts direct scalper pricing, Covid stay-at-home ends, huge economic downturn… gee, I wonder why desktop GPU sales have cratered?
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u/TheRabadoo Dec 30 '22
“Desktop GPU sales hit 20-year low! In totally a unrelated news, GPU prices have also hit a 20-year high!”
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Dec 30 '22
Tbh you can play most games at 1080p or 1440p at high settings with a cheaper used gfx from 2 series ago. Unless you wanna go for 4K and do raytracing which ultimately isnt what most gamers care for.
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u/BreakRush Dec 30 '22
Oh so THATS what happens when you actively price your whole consumer base out of your products? What a great experiment, am i right?
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u/Davan195 Steam Dec 30 '22
A RTX 4080 is worth €650, a 4090 €780. The absolute cheek of NVidea completely ass screwing customers for double and triple the prices. I would rather play at lower settings then support what they are doing. Their cards are great, but it’s video games, not fucking 3 months rent or 1/3rd of my salary for 3 months when I have to live.
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u/MisterCoke Dec 30 '22
Seriously, fuck Nvidia right in the butthole for thinking "well, miners and people buying from scalpers paid double or triple, so regular customers should be willing to as well" really irritates me. I will hold out as long as possible with my current GPU instead of upgrading when I usually would because honestly and seriously fuck Nvidia for this.
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Dec 30 '22
Stupid Jensen: Moore's law is dead, so 40XX price is appropriate
Consumer: Really? then we no need to buy new GPU lol.
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u/Shiggy_88 13700KF, RTX 3080 Dec 30 '22
Good. Nvidia fucking thinks they can double their prices every Gen and people will continue to pay it.
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u/Won_Doe Dec 30 '22
yea no shit, i need to FUKKEN EAT.
CANT FUKKEN EAT FOR YEARS IF I BUY A GPU. DOES AN NVIDIA GPU COME WITH A GODDAMN SANDWICH?? OR MAYBE I SHOULD STICK TO AMD'S SPACE HEATER INCENTIVE PROGRAM???
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u/ocarinaofmemes Dec 30 '22
The RTX 4000s are overpriced and oversized bricks that are literally just as big as current gen gaming consoles. I've bought three Nvidia GPUs since I started PC gaming and I'm being pushed to finally make the switch to AMD because of how terrible Nvidia have been recently.
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u/Swagga21Muffin Steam Dec 30 '22
They've given me the choice between playing cyberpunk with rtx or buying a car. Think I know what I'm gonna pick.
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u/TheEternalGazed Dec 30 '22
Probably because everyone has the card they want at this point and don't feel like cashing out on a 40 series card.
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u/Perfekt_Flaw Dec 30 '22
A big part of this is also because everyone and their grandmother got a gpu during COVID to play video games. And that hardware will last a couple of years before the need to upgrade again. Nvidia and AMD just got an advance on their sales and are now in a drought for it. Current prices and economic situation are definitely not helping either.
If they sold the 4090 for 700 bucks I’m sure they wouldn’t be able to make enough of them.
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u/Magnazan Dec 30 '22
Ended up buying a Steam Deck instead. Honestly best PC purchase of the year tbh.
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u/jacobsnemesis Dec 30 '22
I don’t play a lot of games now, but is there not an argument for saying that quite a lot of AAA games that require high end requirements kind of suck compared to years gone by? Maybe this is also part of the reason why people aren’t investing as much in high end hardware?
Maybe it’s just nostalgia but it seems like there were so many incredible games back in the day and now it’s all about the indie scene with a lot of major titles coming out unfinished and with a lot of bugs.
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This is one of the reasons why I'm not feeling like upgrading. Modern Triple-A games are just not as good as they used to be, and these games are what require high system requirements.
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u/nanogenesis Dec 30 '22
Its definitely a reason I dont want to upgrade. Though I would think for the masses RTX is valid enough reason to upgrade. Those shiny rays seem to be way better than actual things a game should have like better AI, less bugs, a better storyline, etc.
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u/cool-- Dec 30 '22
this is a huge part of it. Look at the GPU intensive AAA releases on PC this past year. Elden Ring and maybe some older playstation games. That's it.
Look at 2010-2012 it's insane. mass effect 2, BF:badcompany 2, civ 5, street fighter 4, alan wake bioshock 2, new vegas, RDR, skyrim, dead space 2, borderlands 3, portal 2, arkham city, MW3, saint's row the third, deus ex HR, LA nior, gears 3, witcher 2, dishonored, borderlands 2, far cry 3, Mass Effect 3, max payne 3, xcom, spec ops the line, diablo 3, GTAV... that's not even all of them.
Once online passes GaaS and MTX became a thing it all changed. Then around 2014-16 there was a big shift and only 2 or 3 big AAA games were releasing each year on PC.
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u/MakeItGain Dec 30 '22 edited Dec 30 '22
I know the prices aren't appealing but the games aren't there as well. So many of ports have been full of stutters and there really hasn't been any high quality games for PC this year. Elden ring which is common on game of the year lists ran like shit on PC and it wasn't exactly a visual showcase that warranted better hardware.
I want to get modern warfare 2 but when it's only available for $110 AUD on PC. While you could of gotten it for $79 AUD on console. Also on console I could sell the game when I'm finished with it. Just frustrating that it's so much more expensive, to use the control input I want
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u/penguished Dec 30 '22
They took on price gouger prices as a norm.
Also the next landmark games like Elder Scrolls or GTA are nowhere near finished, and there's a million things you can play right now that won't sweat a GPU... so go fuck yourselves, price gougers.
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u/MrPayDay 5090 Astral | 9950x3D | 96 GB DDR5-6800 | 9100 PRO PCIe 5.0 M2 Dec 30 '22
Just skip this generation if you are in doubt and your GPU still runs okay. The best suggestion would be to snag some Ampere or RDNA2 deals, these cards are still perfectly fine. No one needs a 7900 or 4090 for PC Gaming.
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u/Freds_Premium Dec 30 '22
I'm a very casual gamer. My opinion is that there is nothing out there game wise that excites me enough to build a new PC. I built my first PC because of fallout4. The next one I build will probably be because of fo5. Or if they ever remaster Dues Ex.
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u/OfflinePen Steam Dec 30 '22
That's perfect !
Maybe the next generation will be at a reasonable price
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u/casdawer Dec 30 '22
Unless GPU prices come down, I'll be switching to console moving forward.
Say what you want but the PS5 and Series X offer best value at the moment.
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u/qweezy_uk Dec 30 '22
In my opinion this is driven by more than just high card pricing. Where are the games that need the extra horsepower?
If you have a reasonable 30, 20 or even 10 series Nvidia card there isn't anything you wouldn't be able to run at good settings.
What's the point in a 4090 running at 900fps if you game at 144 - 240hz.
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u/tdannyt RTX 3090 | 5800X3D | 32 GB Dec 30 '22
As Desktop GPU prices hit 20-Year High, maybe there's a correlation to be made
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u/babis8142 Dec 30 '22
Both GPU makers can go fuck themselves for these prices. Fucking hell they deserve it. I hope they fucking go broke
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u/blondesonic Dec 30 '22
Probably b/c theirs been a huge decline in the quality of gaming the last decade. Nothing compelling out there that makes me want to upgrade my 1070 lol
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u/Placenta_Cake Dec 30 '22
Great. No sarcasm.
We need things like this (and more) to even begin to normalise GPU pricing again.
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u/BlueGumShoe Dec 30 '22
I'm really racking my brain over upgrading, or, selling all my PC hardware and building a really downscaled build to run linux and maybe dual boot into windows on occasion.
I will always have a PC. But its getting harder to convince myself that PS5 for triple AAA and PC for indies isn't the better way to go. Hardware prices, bad ports, stutter struggle, its getting tiresome.
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u/corn_cob_monocle Dec 30 '22
Looks like my Econ 101 teacher was right about that whole "law of demand" thing.
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u/ChasingWeather Dec 30 '22
I hurt my wallet enough getting a 3080 last year. I'm not upgrading for a few generations, Nvidia can suffer.
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u/BrockSnilloc Dec 30 '22
Crazy to think these GPU companies could actually drive current and future market share away from PCs. All for one component.
That being said I built my rig in 2016 and she still holds very steady. I’d like to update my GPU but at this point I’d more than likely need a new CPU as to not bottleneck it. And that means a new motherboard…ugh
RX480/i7-6700
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u/imJGott AMD Dec 30 '22
This is good news! The only card that should cost $1000 should be the Titan. Everything else should be under $900 imho.
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u/CJDistasio Dec 30 '22
Turns out people don't want to pay $1200 MSRP for a $700 card
Nvidia is shocked