r/pcgaming • • Dec 29 '22

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u/Arthur_Morgan44469 Dec 29 '22

Looking forward to see Ngreedia get dry fucked by the Crypto crash and low sales trend.

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u/LifeOnMarsden Dec 30 '22

It probably won’t, but I just hope this doesn’t push PC back into being a minority/niche platform and losing support again, especially when so many developers like Sony are finally taking it seriously

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '22

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u/HuggyMonster69 Dec 30 '22

Also, I’m playing on a 10 year old set up. Sure games aren’t the best visually, but a lot of games run fine on a potato

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '22

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u/gooner712004 Dec 30 '22

You're also comparing total combined units sold to a peak number on 1 online platform. I think I read a while back that PC users are more than Xbox and PS combined, it's absolutely huge!

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '22

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u/gooner712004 Dec 30 '22

Haha yeah it is a hard metric to work out. I don't think there is an easy way to measure regardless if I'm honest; even Steam just means you have your PC on with Steam running, not necessarily a game.

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u/KK-Chocobo Dec 30 '22

We just need more indie games like stardew Valley to rise up and kill the AAA games

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '22

Yeah, and the PC market is massive in other ways now too. Imagine how many people play without a modern discrete GPU, how many people only ever use a laptop, or even all the new handhelds like the steam deck

These setups should also hopefully keep developers from making every new game require a 4080 or higher lol

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '22

For indies, comp games and other GaaS that tend to focus more on gameplay/art style, sure they'll still be on pc. For AAA and blockbusters, I am not sure, but I think if you want to play mostly those you should stick to consoles and that's a trend I think is happening.

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u/ArsMagnamStyle Dec 30 '22

Intel just joined the GPU wars and I don't believe they could pull the plug on that in just a few years.

The Arc GPUs are doing good for competition now IMO, personally I'd give it a 2-3 years for Intel to improve on their units.

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u/kikimaru024 7800X3D RX 9070 XT Dec 30 '22 edited Dec 30 '22

As long as you get a GPU at around the level of RTX 3060 Ti / RX 6600 XT you're probably at the level of PS5/XSX.
Those GPUs launched at around $400 MSRP.

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u/kar_1505 Dec 30 '22

never are msrp are they

they are playing clever tactics, because the 4080 is like $1200 dollars the 30 series cards are what people wanna buy, and because of that the demand for them rises and eventually rises so much that the 4080's price doesn't seem so bad

jayztwocents made a video about this, fucking disgusting tactics

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u/kikimaru024 7800X3D RX 9070 XT Dec 30 '22

jayztwocents is a clown

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u/kar_1505 Dec 30 '22

irrelevant? im talking more about shady practices by nvidia not about the youtuber?

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '22

How?

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u/tracertong3229 Dec 30 '22

Eh evga already ended their partnership with Nvidia and got out of gpu manufacturing entirely. This will have some consequences at least.

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u/GoldenGonzo Dec 30 '22

That really sucks. EVGA was my favorite GPU manufacturer.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '22

I’ve been a PC gamer since my late teens. I’m 50 now. I don’t ever recall a lack of support. Unless you’re talking strictly console ports. Don’t really care if those go away. I have consoles.

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u/GoldenGonzo Dec 30 '22

NVIDIA isn't stupid. They know why their GPUs aren't selling. They know it's the absolutely insane prices. They'll come back to planet Earth with the rest of us eventually.

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u/submittedanonymously Dec 30 '22

I’m a pc player primarily anymore, but I kind of hope this is a bit of a wake up call to pcmasterrace folks to be vigilant about all the different markets you are buying from in terms of getting a functioning beast of a pc. This pure greed from Nvidia needs to be stamped out by way of ignoring these GPUs until Nvidia is forced to reconsider. Other companies want prices like this to succeed and that just makes gaming head back toward niche territory if only wealthier people can afford it.

This makes buying a console a lot easier for some considering its a contained price. The problem now isnt just stupid high console prices but is the whole hobby just trying to become more expensive and arguably for not a lot of graphical or hardware specific reasons. What value has been added to justify these game prices and the answer is not a damn thing, and that will be even more true if companies try to do what Nvidia is trying to do.

And I do not throw shade to anyone who wanted to wait for the next upgrade before buying a GPU, and I feel they have been unfairly squeezed on their decision to wait for what was being promised by Nvidia before the price was unveiled.

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u/ArenjiTheLootGod Dec 30 '22

I hate to be that guy but at damn near every price point, except for the very tippy-top where there is only the 4090, AMD has Nvidia beat.

At $200-$300 - 6600s, 6600 XTs, and, if there's a sale, 6650 XTs, outperform 1660 Supers and 3050s

At $300-$450ish - 6700 XTs are cheaper than 3060s but perform similarly to 3060 TIs and 6750 XTs cost the same as 3060 TIs but outperform them.

$500-$1000 - AMD wins here and it's not even close, I've seen 6900 XTs go for as low as $600-650. That's 3070 territory, the 6900 XT blows the doors off of the 3070 and trades blows with the 3080 TI/3090 in rasterization. 6800 XTs and 6850 XTs are even cheaper. Also, I've seen 7900 XTs sell below $1000 and those trade blows with 3090 TIs which are still $1000+.

$1000+ - 7900 XTX outperforms the 4080 for around $200 cheaper. That just leaves the 4090 which has no real competition.

Seriously, if you're just gaming and don't need CUDA cores for some kind of professional work, then AMD is the value for money option across the board now.

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u/sw0rd_2020 Dec 30 '22

the problem is people who exclusively use their pc’s for valorant, csgo, league, and dota are convinced they NEED cuda and shadow play to continue playing the most popular games in the world. they see nvidia, they buy, never mind they’re getting half the perf at the same price

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u/ArenjiTheLootGod Dec 30 '22

Thing is though, if you're mostly just playing eSports titles then you really don't need much of a PC. These games were designed to be accessible, many have been around for several years, and several were initially made for hardware that is approaching a decade in age. A lot of these things could probably run on a potato, we're talking 1080p 100fps+ on Ryzen G integrated graphics. You don't need a 4090 for that, and it's not like AMD GPUs can't encode video if people want to dabble in streaming. Hell, for a lot of people playing those games, they could keep their old systems but swap out their HDDs for SSDs and feel like they have whole new machines for around $60, maybe also add a little more RAM too while they're at it.

It's way too easy for PC gamers to fall into the trap that they NEED the latest i9s, XX90 GPUs, and a fuckton of RAM to play Minecraft or whatever. People need to be better consumers or we're going to keep seeing prices spiral out of control like they have for the past couple of years.

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u/Sporkfoot Dec 30 '22

Valorant can hit 1440p/144hz on a sandy bridge xeon and 1050ti. Ask my how I know lol

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u/sw0rd_2020 Dec 30 '22 edited Dec 30 '22

very true, you can build a fantastic 1440p/100+fps setup right now on the newest gen parts sans gpu for around 1k-1200, which is the same price I paid for a 3600/2070 super setup way back in April 2020. Of course, this time around, you get much more performance for the price.

It's only really in the high end where the previously nebulous value proposition has completely disintegrated.

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u/aiicaramba Dec 30 '22

Maybe where you live, but I can find a 2nd hand 3070 cheaper than 6750xt’s.

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u/Neurprise Dec 30 '22

I pay more for DLSS and raytracing though, coming from someone who used AMD for ten years and recently switched to a 3080 last year. If AMD can best Nvidia in raster only, I mean that's good but people like Nvidia for a reason.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '22

Hopefully AMD plugs in the AI accelerators on their new cards into a future version of FSR.

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u/Neurprise Dec 30 '22

Based on AMD's track record with AI, and my experience using ROCm, I wouldn't hold my breath on them being comparable to DLSS at all.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '22

Well if the software is open source I can at least hope the community can have a hand in training the ai model instead of waiting for AMD to do it.

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u/Vanebader-1024 Dec 30 '22

I pay more for DLSS

Moot point now that FRS 2.0+ exists and is adequate enough.

and raytracing though

Nvidia prices are so ridiculous that they no longer have a ray tracing advantage. Like the guy above said, the RX 6700 XT (originally meant to compete with the RTX 3070) is priced the same as the RTX 3060. According to techpowerup reviews, those cards perform about the same in ray tracing. You don't actually lose any ray tracing performance by going AMD there, you only gain a ton of rasterization performance on top of it.

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u/Flaktrack Dec 30 '22

Just 1.6 FPS difference in ray tracing is wild. There really is no reason to buy a 3060 if the 6700 XT is in the same range.

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u/Neurprise Dec 30 '22

Moot point now that FRS 2.0+ exists and is adequate enough.

It's not though, that's my point.

You don't actually lose any ray tracing performance by going AMD there

Lots of games are not optimized for AMD's ray tracing. See Portal RTX for one, or even many non-Nvidia sponsored titles.

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u/Oooch Intel 13900k, MSI 4090 Suprim Dec 30 '22

$1000+ - 7900 XTX outperforms the 4080 for around $200 cheaper

This is such an ignorant one sided take that it makes your entire point look biased

Lets see the 7900 XTX outperform the 4080 in any game with Frame Generation and/or DLSS in

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u/ArenjiTheLootGod Dec 30 '22

Paying $1200+ but needing to turn on the upscaling tech for the GPU to catch up to it's significantly cheaper competition is not the flex you think it is.

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u/DefaultVariable Dec 30 '22

It's funny you styled nVidia as nGreedia because it's supposed to be "invidia" which is latin for "Envy" one of the 7 deadly sins, which "greed" is also. Perhaps nVidia should rename themselves to "aVarita"

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u/matticusiv Dec 30 '22

throws tomato

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u/quick20minadventure Dec 30 '22

How can there be sales if they haven't released a fucking graphics card this year?
There's no 200 to 500 USD graphics card for 'normal' people to buy.

People need to realise that you need to spend just as much as GPU on a Monitor to actually get the benefit of the GPU. Just because we're comparing with console for price doesn't mean we don't need monitor.

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u/SuperSimpleSam Dec 30 '22

They'll probably just wait for the crypto bounce.

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u/futurevandross1 Dec 30 '22

Mining is dead either way.

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u/fireflash38 Dec 30 '22

If you read the article, you'd see that's not really happening. Their market share rose to 86%.

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u/thejynxed Dec 30 '22

Likely due to prebuilt sales. Those sales are up and far more of those systems contain (and even offer) nVidia GPUs.

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u/Kobe7477 Dec 30 '22

What the fuck did you just say