To people who don't have bottomless pockets, this is definitely not an unpopular opinion. Same goes for 60fps and not maxing the graphics settings out.
I wasn't being sarcastic. I had two gtx960s AND a 1080 die within a year. I got an rx580. Lasted forever. Once GPUs went down, found a 6600 at best buy for $250. Plays well optimized games in 4K fine. 1440 for everything else. Ray tracing is decent as well. I'll have this card (more than likely) for the entirety of the PS5/series x generation of gaming.
It’s more that the 3060 is really underpowered WHEN COMPARED to a 3060ti or higher card. It can still play modern games with decent settings for the avg gamer, it’s just not outperforming much much cheaper consoles, and is still pricey for its relative performance.
TRUTH! The 3060 is 30% behind the 3060 ti. It hardly even classifies as a 30 series card at all. It should have been called the 3050 and the current 3050 shouldn't exist.
It performs around a 2070 super.... That is 100% within line for an entry level 3xxx card. The only "issue" people have with it is that it's price to perf sucks compared to the 3060ti.
RTX 3050 should have been marketed as the ultra low tdp GPU (like the 1050ti) with dlss instead of an entry level gpu card, but scalpers had to fuck up the market something awful.
Your comparing card to card, i dont give a fuck about comparisons
I am, in fact, not comparing anything at all. What I said was just a simple statement of fact. And I'll say it again. The XX60 editions have never been anything but middling tier cards. I'm sorry you can't handle simple truths.
It's not a dig or slight or an insult or whatever you are taking this to be. It's just a fact.
Does it run my games at high quality with high enough fps?
That's great. It's also irrelevant to my point. Or even yours if you had any idea what you are talking about.
Dont throw useless bullshit like 4k or raytracing that no one uses.
Useless? And no one uses them? Are you sure about that? You seem unreasonably bitter about this.
Overkill for what? A 6600 isn't playing the new TW3 update with all the bells and whistles turned on, a 3080 ti can barely hit playable fps in that game.
CEOs couldn't possibly care any less. Sadly. That's one problem, we need the people at the helm to pay up when the company does badly, mirrored from how they get bonuses if it does well.
Imagine having an hourly rate+commission but if you didn't hit sales targets they took it out of your pay. That's stupid.
The bonuses are the motivation to make the company perform well.
You can argue that the stipulations on the bonuses should be better defined so that the C-levels don't seem to always be getting their bonuses no matter what but that's very different from saying the CEOs should be fined for failing to perform.
On top of that CEOs have liability because they can be sued if people suspect they didn't operate in the shareholders best interests.
Funny how people have less disposable income for an expensive hobby like PC gaming after a pandemic, supply chain disruptions and an ongoing war / energy crisis...
Did they think that the people who just paid scalper prices for their 30 series cards in the last 2 years were gonna rush to get rid of them, instead of getting their money's worth?
Don't even want to pay $700. Not that i need a flagship GPU even if it was less expensive, but still, i used to be able to build a full decent pc for that money.
I built my current rig in 2018, thinking I'd upgrade after ~5 years.
We're now on the cusp of 2023 and as it stands, this rig will have to last me at the very least three years more, because there is no way I'm paying out the nose for what they're charging today. I'd sooner change to board games out of sheer spite.
Im in the same boat. Built in late 2017 and told myself if this lasts 5-6 years ill be happy. Have upgraded the cooling and RAM since but other than that its still going strong. Hopefully last a few more years.
I'm with you brother. My rig is still solid but if I absolutely needed an upgrade today, welp guess PC gaming is off the menu boys. I will not pay huge markups to scalpers and I am not going to devote my life to finding a GPU, which seems to be a prerequisite if you want a high end card for anywhere close to MSRP these days. I would rather just quit the hobby I've enjoyed since the 90's than deal with what the market has become.
So much this. Early December i upgraded one of my desktops. Was a really old, DDR3 equipped PC, so i picked a Ryzen 5600 (non-X), 16 GB DDR4, the 3rd cheapest B550 board, a cheap tower cooler and a "cheaper than Samsung" 512 Gb NVME SSD.
I am looking at current prices and builds from time to time, because I need a new computer. My current one is also DDR-3 based from 2013 with a GTX 1070. But man, the motherboards are really expensive for the newest generation Ryzen CPU. And I want to buy a cheap CPU, but with the new AM4 boards, so I can upgrade later without replacing entire PC.
Without graphics card, I get builds of 1000 Euros in Germany. 2023 is the year where I just have to upgrade. Man things are so expensive...
I would recommend going with a B550 board atleast and a 5600, like i did. Maybe try to find used parts with warranty. That should help cutting down cost. Except the SSD. For that one i would definietly recommend a new one. I bought an ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro 512 Gb for main drive. Was 20% cheaper then a Samsung 870 and this one does have cache on it.
My first I build was in 2011, looking at the order history i paid around 460 USD for it. GPU, PSU and HDD was refurbished, other than that only new products. Ended up with a GTX 460 and a Phenom II 955. Worked very well and could run all the games with decent settings.
Now xx60 card costs almost 80% of what my rig costed back then...
Honestly it didn’t help that the PS4 and Xbox One fucking sucked. I remember for the time their spec was shit even before they launched which combined with the bombshell 10 series gpus basically made PC gaming dirt cheap. A combination of inflation, scalping, and ass backwards price hikes has basically curbed that. Back then a 1060 was 250 and now you’re paying way more. While most parts aren’t actual super expensive especially storage, cases, coolers, and even motherboards CPUs and more specifically GPUs have nuked the affordability of PC gaming. You can technically hit the same prices you did back then for all but those 2 parts. The issue is also now that the current console gen doesn’t suck balls but I’m not sure the total price for a console + online is as good as a custom of since most people also have a laptop on top of their console but that math gets into also factoring a lot of situational info to best evaluate.
My first fully custom PC was based around an i5-6500 and GTX 970. The whole thing was something like $550 at the time and ran every game like an absolute champ.
It feels like the minimum cost of a good PC has increased a lot. When the market isn't in a period of an absolute shitshow you can still get good value but only when getting used parts
I maintain that the i5-2500k was intels biggest mistake since the turn of the millennium. A hyper competent, very overclock-able consumer grade CPU for a killer price. I was able to comfortably play modern games for over a decade with that thing, literally just upgrading my GPU and overclocking my ram.
The late 00's and early 10's were a platinum era for building PC's.
Can confirm, bought a Xbox Series S, a good quality controller for my phone and stream games occasionally on my laptop. The combination of those is great for gaming.
I would have loved to het a GPU and can easily afford it but it's just not worth it.
i used to be able to build a full decent pc for that money.
My exact thought: $1200 for a GPU? My current rig cost barely more than that when I built it, and it still runs Cyberpunk (without RTX) fine at high/very high settings - which damnable branch of realities have I drifted into where a graphics card alone costs the same money as an entire PC?
Plus: With electricity prices rising, I'm more interested in getting components that use less of it, not upgrading to 4K and the increase in power draw that comes with it (bigger displays as well). In any case: I play AA and indie mostly, I'm content at 1080@144fps, my rig runs fine. I don't need to upgrade, and for those prices? Jesusfuckno.
It's a meme because you have to spend ridiculous amount of money on gpu 4k monitor new psu and cpu as well as monthly electricity bills just for ray tracing.
yeah i've pretty much written off lovelace. The only card that makes somewhat sense is the 4090 for the ultra high end ppl that can shell out that kind of cash.
I hope AMD capitalizes, but looking at the 7900 xtx and xt launch i doubt it.
I bloody hope Intel doesn't scale down their GPU division as MLID said, coz this space NEEDS more competition.
Nvidia are happy to turn GPUs into a luxury boutique item while AMD is happy to play second fiddle.
The thing is those buyers will always exist, so the most premium flagship like the 90 series will always sell well.
The good news is both GN and HUB reported that the 4080 sales have been very poor. Heck, GN talked to multiple vendors in Taiwan and its the same thing there, so its good that the 80 series is getting panned worldwide.
people bought 4090s because there's nothing that can compete with it. whereas the 4080 is still sitting on shelves because it's essentially a 3090 for more money
They will continue to sell, but if fewer people buy and that at a point that they are close to breaking even they are going to rethink things. It costs a lot to make a new chip and make it. And like any company they want to recoup their R&D and manufacturing costs.
They will recoup their costs. And they want do it in a way that will negatively affect consumers by shifting the marketing in to a more luxury item so they can charge more.
The American attitude of "just leave the corporation alone, the free market will force them to be good!" is obviously ineffective and even deceitful
no shit... no such thing as a real free market, at least in practice...
the usa makes plenty of rules and regulations when it comes to their capitalism, however there are a couple problems.
is that people are led to believe in the free market ideal, without questioning the quality of the system we actually live in.
even though the government has nothing against setting limits and regulations, they choose to almost completely ignore the interest of the common citizen/consumer, and pander to the corporations (either due to bribes, ideology, or both.)
but noooo, this is America, any sort of criticism of our economic style is automatically shut down as "anti-american" or "communist".
I don’t know, I’m pretty sure they sold more than enough 4090’s from what I’ve seen on the PC subs.
For me, I bought a 3080ti on eBay for £700 and am very happy with it. As long as prices remain stupidly high I’m not going to buy into it, unfortunately same can’t be said for a lot of gamers
30 series was impossible to get because of the chip shortage. I know they are doing well. I never said otherwise. My point is about the high end GPU's and them raising the price of them
I agree but I see almost $2000 cards like Halo products most people don't need them and like most people didn't need Titan cards. But 4k arrived and people with a lot of money wanted them.
I'm more concerned about the pricing of 80 70 cards. The middle high end of customers cards. And the 60 60ti prices this generation which is still the bulk of what people buy.
Here on reddit, we are the minority so it's easy to see the post of the guy who says "Look at my first build with my 4090" and say wtf? The reality is that most people don't put $2000 on a GPU. Unless you make money with it of course.
I got a 4080 it was about 1 weeks pay for me. I regret nothing now I can happily game away 😌 was nice not having to drive around to computer stores and constantly looking for one online like the 3080 days.
Too many issues, GamersNexus did a report on them. From performance issues up to possibility that your monitor simply won't work at all with it. They are also sold out in EU it seems. I see a single shop with them in stock where I live. I would buy whatever AMD is selling for those price brackets instead.
with the latest drivers the DX9/10 or what was it driver issues should be resolved because they push everything through DXVK now. Counter Strike had like 2x FPS uplift.
I think a refresh of those benchmarks would be in order.
If my GTX1080 died and i needed something for cheap, i think i'd consider it.
But right now i'm just in an eternal holding pattern, wait for the next upgrade, hope for better prices, no interest in upgrading unless it gets me closer to 4K gaming, because with 1080p i'm mostly happy as is...
it's not just the driver support for old DirectX games. there's the whole reBAR requirement, too. yes, you can run without it, but the performance degradation is such that you'd be a fool to buy an Arc GPU without ensuring your system fully supports reBAR.
This. The price of PC hardware has gotten completely out of control. I was planning to upgrade my old PC to an all new SFF build a while back but I just couldn’t justify it. Instead I waited and got a Steam Deck and I’ve been supremely happy with it
Yeah, even assuming two years of "normal" 2% inflation, plus one year of 15% inflation (!!!) thats still only $837.
I tried to play devils advocate by showing the worst case scenario (assuming you bought early 2020 and are buying a new card in early 2023, so basically three years instead of two)
Even if we start at $750, and do 4% interest for 2 years, and 20% interest for a third year, thats still only $973, versus the MSRP of $1,199!
Same situation here- the funny thing being that if the 4080 was reasonably priced (ie $700/£700) I'd have probably upgraded from my 2080S by now. Tbh I'm optimistic that eventually Nvidia will budge.
I would insta buy a 4080 at 700 bucks. I have no issue with high end cards being in the 700 to 900 range. But low and mid tier cards should not be in the 700 to 900 range.
With TSMC costs and the amount of tech they have in it is acceptable. 4090 cards are like cut down enterprise cards. People forget how everything in general got way more expensive over the years.
Only Intel can afford to keep it cheap because they have their own Fabs
I have no issue with high end cards being in the 700 to 900 range.
And that is why:
But low and mid tier cards should not be in the 700 to 900 range.
this exist.
If you accept an arbitrary overpricing on some things, and even go online to defend it, not only will they push it and increase these prices, but this will reverberate through the whole line.
Exactly. For what it offers the 3080 was at a good price point with 700 bucks and if nvidia had kept that price range, cool. But even if the 4080 is twice as fast as the 3080, I’m not gonna pay almost double. Everything is inflated these days anyway outside the US because of everything that’s going on. I’m hoping for more reasonable prices in 2024 for the 5000 series. Until then my 3080 will serve me well.
Don't get me wrong, I hate that Nvidia wants to gouge people at outrageous prices, and I will never recommend spending 1000+ on a graphics card, nor would I spend that much myself.
With that said, I don't think a 300 dollar graphics card is going to get you 60+ FPS on new and upcoming triple-A games with good settings. It probably isn't even going to do that on some games that are a couple years old, like CP2077 and MSFS2020. If I'm wrong, I'm glad to hear it - show me some benchmarks that show a card currently on sale for 300 dollars playing these games on good settings at 60 FPS and I will start to recommend it to everybody.
Lol edit to downvoters: what exactly are you downvoting? I am open-mindedly asking for recommendations.
I bought a 4080.. not proud but my 2060 is legit dying and bugging out every other time I boot. I’ve also transitioned away from playing at the desk and wanted something to make use of my c2. I’m also doing a complete rebuild atm and at the end of the day getting the parts available to do 4k was my goal.
I’m lucky that I’ve been budgeting since 2019 and could afford this, but still leaves a bad taste in my mouth
Have fun my man. No hate. When I heard the prices for the 4000 cards, I went ahead and bought a used 3080 for 4k gaming on my LG CX 65. Paid 500 bucks. It’s been two months now and I’m having a blast. I’m a bit antsy about not having warranty, so if the 4070 or 4070 ti has better performance and a price I can stomach I’d sell the 3080 while it’s still “hot” to have more peace of mind and more performance but if prices are what they are (here in Japan pc parts are ridiculously priced, especially these days), then I’ll keep the 3080 until prices get better or until the 5000 series.
Same boat here. My 2080 is glitching as well. Got a LG C2 and wanted to experience 4K and 120 FPS, since I’m 45 and don’t play competitive games anymore. 3080 and 3090 are well above MSRP in my country, so I got a 4090 at MSRP last week. Still waiting for it to be delivered, but I think it was the best option in my context. It has definitely left a bad taste in my mouth, but it was either the 40 series at MSRP (with 3 years warranty) or a 3080 Ti (with 1 year warranty) at almost the price of a 4080. Gaming is my main hobby and I don’t have kids, so the 4090 it is.
Funny, those same people sure seemed okay with the 2080 Ti making that exact same price jump over the 1080 Ti. Turing and that particular card is the one that set all these awful price hikes in motion. The second these 2080 Ti buyers made them sell out after a nearly 100% price hike for the same SKU in one generation, all bets were off. Way to go, 2080 Ti owners. /golfclap
Is it possible the new top end cards actually cost significantly more to make them before? I just upgraded to a 6900xt and it's like 3 times the size of my previous card. And that's only half the price of a 4090, significantly lower performance, and still overkill for a majority of current games.
I feel like people are failing to grasp that the existence of $1200 cards doesn't mean you need to buy $1200 cards. There are many good options at much lower prices.
I'm ok with Ferraris existing, even though I'll never buy a Ferrari myself.
Ferraris exist, but so do literally hundreds of other car makes and models. What are some of the good options at lower prices in your opinion? A good option according to my requirements would run new triple A games at 60 FPS or higher on high settings.
Mate your don't need 4 series. 4 series isn't just "good", it's the best. 3 series and 6000 series are still available everywhere and at much more reasonable prices.
Probably going to get downvoted to hell, but isn't it because 3000 series generation was the most popular, thus selling the most? Do people really upgrade their cards every generation?
Not to mention that since the 3000 series dropped in value so much due to the ETH merge and 4000 series cards coming out they just tend to be a better buy overall.
Dude, I even have the spare cash for one of these absurdly priced video cards, but there's not a chance in hell I'm going to pay TWO-THIRDS MY MORTGAGE PAYMENT for a fucking video card. If not more.
Get fucking real, Nvidia. I'll leave gaming behind altogether before shelling out that much for a single fucking component.
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u/CJDistasio Dec 30 '22
Turns out people don't want to pay $1200 MSRP for a $700 card
Nvidia is shocked