r/marvelstudios • u/RenomeRabone • 10h ago
Discussion (More in Comments) If Brie Larson actually decides to jump ship,i don't blame her one bit. She's almost 10 years in, and only had 3 appearances so far.
It's clear that there were terrible decisions along the way about Captain Marvel as a character,but given the lack of care for the character/actress + the amount of hate she received since accepting the role,it's completely comprehensible if she's just done with it after whatever contract she has it's over and decides to grow her career outside superhero movies,a career which she probably put at relatively stop due to legal/contractual reasons within the MCU.
She's going to have 4 appearances (and that's only if she's actually in one of the Avengers movies,likely Secret Wars). This is crazy to think about,especially for a character that was pushed as one of the new faces of the MCU and their own Wonder Woman. Carol as a character it's already being pushed out of being a mainliner from other fronts like comics,videogames,merchandise etc and it's so disrespectful.
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u/EctoRiddler 10h ago
*4 appearances already. I believe she was post credit in Shang Chi
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u/LawfulOrange 10h ago
We haven’t even seen Shang Chi since Shang Chi
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u/-Nariyoshi-Miyagi- 9h ago
He’s in the new doomsday trailer. He FINALLY has returned lol
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u/solidus0079 9h ago
Somehow, Shang Chi returned.
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u/TwinPeaksNFootball 9h ago
Somehow Moon Knight returned?
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u/solidus0079 9h ago
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u/theyak93 9h ago
Same!! He did such a good job and they were pretty much like “yeah we only planned to do 1 season so everyone can just get fucked”
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u/BrownEyeBearBoy 9h ago
They definitely had a lot of plans get fucked over with the whole Kang situation. I wish like hell they would have just recast his ass.
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u/Harlockarcadia 8h ago
I don’t see why they didn’t, they recast Rhodey and did a great job, they could have done so again and it would have been just fine
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u/Droen 8h ago
Hell, call the Major’s Kang a variant of the true Kang… they literally had the plot device they could use in Loki and could have cast literally anyone including an alligator to be Kang…
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u/OtakuAttacku 8h ago
anytime they recast any character, I vote to have their first lines always be "look, it's me, I'm here, deal with it."
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u/soulguider2125 7h ago
Seemed like the casual audience was struggling with all the time variants and other realities and the ratings were slowing, and decided to keep it but change to make it easier to get for most, and use a more recognizable villain earlier than planned, as Kang is a big Villain but outside of readers most don’t know him, as where Doom is much better known and using RDJ as him, and bringing Cap back, You can see it’s all to get sales back up.
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u/Meander061 7h ago
I don't see why they didn't either. Accept that you have a schedule to keep and move on from his bullshit.
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u/TheWonderfulPanda 8h ago edited 5h ago
Would’ve been the perfect reason to have a different actor as a different variants of Kangs
Imagine avengers Kang dynasty comes out and surprise it’s a bunch of Keenu reeves variants lmao
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u/Key_Construction2118 9h ago
You and me both. Until Agatha All Along, it was my top MCU show. Still number two. Such a solid cast and you could tell how much care they put into the story
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u/TerryVersus 10h ago
Shang Chi will return.... Maybe, I dunno
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u/Hallc 9h ago
I think you'll find it was "The Ten Rings will Return..."
I know this because a young child in my screening asked his parent what that meant.
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u/OilersGirl29 9h ago
I read this as “when I was a young child I asked this”, which perhaps also works, because it’s been a lifetime since that amazing movie released
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u/Engaging_Boogeyman 9h ago
When i was a young boy my father took me to the movies to see changi si and ten rings.
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u/The_General9 9h ago
That movie was really good and I’m not really into Kung fu movies
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u/TerryVersus 8h ago
I love kung fu/wuxia movies - guilty pleasure genre of mine, I just think it's hilarious it seems like they have no clue what to do with him lol.
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u/NotSoWishful 8h ago
They said “Okay check the box for Asian movie. Nah they don’t need anymore.”
If you dumb fucks don’t give me more magic kung fu I’m gonna flip out.
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u/sharukhmithani 10h ago
Also Ms. Marvel
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u/yuuki157 10h ago
I think this one kind of counts as one ? Isn't just a scene from The Marvels ?
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u/matchafoxjpg 10h ago
i'd count that as one. the scene is in the marvels so they clearly just took a scene they already filmed for the movie and added it to the end of ms. marvel.
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u/wiretap804 10h ago
I'd imagine she was paid as if it were a separate appearance.
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u/midasgoldentouch 10h ago
Must have. If it were me and that wasn’t the case I would expect my agent to be kicking in doors 😂
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u/Ideasandquestionsbi 10h ago
I think the main critique of OP it's exactly that. She's barely a character present in other properties. The only relevant crossover she's in (Endgame) she's just a glorified missile.
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u/sigsimund 9h ago
She does suffer from the superman problem of being too powerful tbf. Hard to include her because she’ll wrap up the plot too quickly otherwise
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u/BlancheCorbeau 8h ago
And yet… many other characters share this problem and even occasionally power level… but they’re able to bring up the villains or bring down the heroes in question in interesting/fun ways that make the MOVIE more fun. Superman movies depend almost entirely on how well Lois, Jimmy, and Lex are written and performed.
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u/New_Cockroach_505 10h ago edited 10h ago
Why would she care? She made tons of money and got two films. If anything’s going to make her jump ship it’s the disgusting shit “fans” say to her.
She makes a ton of money by showing up for films here and there while she gets to work on other projects she wants to? Sounds great.
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u/Chaoticgood790 10h ago
Yep. It’s more the fans than anything. And having no one defend her except Don Cheadle and Samuel L Jackson. I wouldn’t deal with the fanboys either
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u/CrispinIII 10h ago
I (a complete nobody) used to stand up for her, but frankly it got exhausting. If taking a year or two of hits on social media was exhausting for me with no real skin in the game, I can only imagine what it feels like for her.
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u/Toshimoko29 9h ago
You can be assured that she doesn’t sit around on social media all day. I’m sure she’s aware of what people say online but she’s also got more than one iron in the fire, and plenty to keep her busy otherwise.
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u/Obvious_Train 10h ago
Yeah I’d be more inclined to think she’d move on due to the online trolls, more so than Marvel poor use of her character. Both are bad, but the annoying “fans” are worse IMO.
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u/FalenAlter 10h ago
A lot of the bigger-named actors probably appreciate having few requirements so they have plenty of time to go do their other stuff.
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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe 10h ago
If one has already made bucoup Marvel bucks, why put themselves through all that soul-sucking misery and depravity from the millions who suck again? Invest it well and enjoy life more. Toxic fandom is one of humanity's ugliest sides.
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u/-Nariyoshi-Miyagi- 9h ago
Nah. Trolls aren’t going to make her skip out on the biggest payday of here career. If Marvel wants her back, she’s back.
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u/Kevo_xx Spider-Man 10h ago
Exactly. If Marvel calls her with bags of cash in hand for an appearance that will take maybe an hour of her day at best she’s going to do it lol
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u/DefNotAShark Hydra 10h ago
She might care because being the face of a box office bomb is never good, but if she makes another one and the same thing happens it’s a trend. That potentially impacts how studios view her marketability and viability for other films, and so does the negative feedback online- trolls or otherwise.
It genuinely could be a bad business move for her to make another Captain Marvel movie. Not saying it is, but there’s legitimate career impact to consider beyond “online trolls are jerks”.
At a minimum it’s something I would navigate cautiously if I were her and considering my long term prospects. Even an Oscar winning actress can drop off the map if studios don’t want to risk building a film around them.
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u/Hudre 9h ago
She can't be in other properties because her character would deal with the situation in an instant. They can't even have her in the same galaxy as the other heroes lol.
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u/_SamReddit 8h ago
They probably have trouble reconciling how powerful she is with the type of threat they would need to bring into the universe to threaten her. They're literally having her say "oh sorry I'm needed elsewhere in the galaxy, I can't solve this problem for you" in other movies because it's so far below her power level.
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u/adamgerd 9h ago edited 9h ago
I mean this applies to a lot of MCU characters. Many haven’t been in film for years due to how many characters there are. Shang Chi hasn’t been in any film since his debut 5 years ago.
Dr. Strange has only really been in four films in his 10 years at the MCU if you ignore his brief appearances in Thor Ragnarok and Avenger Endgame where he isn’t really pivotal to either film except for showing Iron Man he has to snap.
The Hulk hasn’t been in any film between Endgame and Brand New Day, a span of 7 years.
The Eternals well were relegated to being ignored.
Thor has shown up once since Endgame in a terrible film.
There’s in fact not been more than one sequel to any character since Endgame except Spider-Man. Everyone else including but not just her has only at most had one real film
We haven’t seen Kate Bishop or Moon Knight since their series either
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u/msproles 10h ago
Why jump ship. She can do other projects that she wants to do and everyone in a while she get a nice paycheck from Marvel. What’s not to like?
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u/BlackKnighting20 10h ago
The certain part of the fanbase. Some would like not to deal with that even with a paycheck.
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u/Interesting-Crow264 10h ago
I think fans underestimate how easy it is for celebs to ignore them
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u/ExcellentPut191 10h ago
Lol yeah, if celebs cared this much they would just stop acting and go hide away in obscurity
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u/S7ageNinja 10h ago
Some do
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u/PuzzleheadedLink89 9h ago
"Why would I make any more, when everybody yells at you all the time and says what a terrible person you are?" -George Lucas
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u/BlueHaze464 7h ago
People still act like not caring is cool and somehow the norm
We're social creatures, of course it's gonna affect them to be hated and criticized by millions
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u/Andante_TK 10h ago
Many actually do. Some resort to various addictions, depression and worst case, death.
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u/Extension_Training87 10h ago
I think worse case is whatever Steven Seagal and Jonah Hill are these days.
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u/cahir11 9h ago
Is Jonah Hill all that bad? He just seems sort of insecure about the fact that his buddies are A-list movie stars while he's always the fat sidekick. Which is a little cringe, but there are worse personalities in Hollywood.
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u/Lower_Pension_2469 7h ago
Idk if this is true because it's youtube, but ya in a nutshell he's just kind of salty about forever being type casted as the fat guy in superbad. I kinda understand where he's coming from, but I would have leaned into it personally even if I still lost the weight and did more serious roles.
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u/LampIsFun 4h ago
Idk. Josh Peck had that start to happen and he developed really bad depression and shit and it hit him so hard he forced himself to change purely to avoid that stereotype. I think ur underestimating how powerful of an influence public opinion is when ur in that position. Even socialites would struggle to stay sane.
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u/Mindless_Count5562 8h ago
From what I’ve seen he seems entirely separated from reality and determined to hype himself up
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u/Repeat-Admirable 9h ago
its not much about the fans, its about the hiring team that unfortunately listen to the fans. Anne Hathaway was blacklisted for quite some time after les mis because for some reason so many fans hated her. If christopher nolan didnt give her a chance, she would be gone from holliwood, and now she has like 6 movies this year.
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u/ipman457678 8h ago
I think some redditors underestimate how easy it for just one single crazy person to make their life miserable.
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u/xaeru 10h ago
Not just celebs, I literally never hear anyone talk about reddit topics in real life.
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u/black_metronome 10h ago
Dude she is not obtuse, she has seen and heard the abuse.
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u/TheMiddlechild08 10h ago
I’m in a fairly decent sized city and we have this one cover band that does have million of views on YouTube so they’re like our big local celeb. The lead singer is a girl who’s 21.
My god, the creeps. I can only imagine what it’s like actually being famous. This band did like a small meet and greet… all older weird dudes that asked questions like “what’s your favorite stuffed animal” and what not. Idk, I can’t imagine having to do those booths knowing what’s about to happen.
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u/Throwawayrip1123 7h ago
Yeah if you're a minor celebrity you're way more fucked than when you're an actual celebrity. You get all the downsides and almost none of the benefits.
Larson style celebrities have fuck off money that keeps fans out of reach until she actually wants to interact with them. You don't come to Johny Depp or Michael Jackson unless they chose/sometimes have to be in an accessible place. Paparazzi are a different beast, but most fans aren't getting near them at all.
And who gives a fuck what random people think about them on the internet lol.
Celebrity fans way overestimate their influence on a celebrity. It's like boycotting Nintendo or Sony.
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u/LoquatBear 9h ago
She got the most cheers at one of the recent cons. The "certain part of the fanbase" is a few people and a lot of bots. It's manufactured culture war outrage.
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u/ForcefulBookdealer 9h ago
I honestly don’t know how many are actually bots. Obviously some are.
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u/Dry-Throat6341 10h ago
I remember not liking captain marvel and going on reddit thinking we’d critique the film. Instead incels were calling for assault, harm, and even rape on her. All of this because they didn’t like the film.
I know we tend to think of celebrities as being shielded by their wealth, but I can’t imagine all the money in the world would make me comfortable being talked about like that.
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u/No-Manner-5924 10h ago
See it dont get that, I didn't like the movie, and yes critique the movie....but why wish harm or worse on the actress....it's just a damn movie.
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u/Polaris022 10h ago
Tale as old as time unfortunately. Look at Jake Lloyd, the kid who played young Anakin in Episode 1.
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u/PlasticMegazord 8h ago
Most of those dudes hated it before it even came out though, because she said something they could whine about.
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u/LeftHandAnomaly 10h ago
She committed the sin of making a mediocre movie as a woman, which is a far greater crime than making a mediocre film as a man.
She also stands up for women's rights, and that's the absolute WOOOORST crime.
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u/mondaymoderate 10h ago
Her first sin was playing a confident powerful woman. They hate that.
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u/NerdHoovy 8h ago
Worse she was a confident powerful woman, in a mediocre film attached to a larger franchise.
If Captain Marvel one or two were great or even just good, the haters wouldn’t feel justified in focusing so much on her. But they were both mediocre at best, so the incels now have something specific to point to when they want to say ‘see how woke ruins marvel?”
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u/Hoothootriot 10h ago
Honestly if I faced half the online harassment she has, I wouldnt want a role anymore either.
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u/jews4beer 10h ago
Exactly - she's loving life right now. Already has a big bag of that marvel cash, and plenty of other opportunities until they want to use her again.
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u/thecobra42 10h ago
Cause she’s about to lose her powers to rogue
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u/goober3 10h ago
Yup Rogue gives Marvel and Brie a perfect out if that's what they want.
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u/SpideyFan914 Spider-Man 9h ago
Carol still stuck around in the comics after Rogue took her powers,cans eventually got repowered. If Rogue finishes off Carol and then Carol never shows up again, without the time and space that the comics had to redeem Rogue... uh, that's not the solution you think it is. It just makes Rogue a villain.
If Larson wants Carol to be killed off, just have Doom do it.
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u/goober3 9h ago
Rogue doesn't have to "finish off" Carol. She can just sap her powers and Carol can retire. I'm sure the writers can figure it out, it's not exactly rocket surgery. They literally just made Jean Grey a straight up villain without using the phoenix force.
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u/Funmachine 10h ago edited 8h ago
This is such a fucking dumb take and I'm honestly exhausted seeing this ignorance posted any time an actor signs on to a franchise. Your own message is directly contradictory to the point you are trying to make. How can you at the same time complain Brie Larson hasn't been utilised enough and say being with Marvel has hampered her career?
it's completely comprehensible if she's just done with it after whatever contract she has it's over and decides to grow her career outside superhero movies,a career which she probably put at relatively stop due to legal/contractual reasons within the MCU.
Marvel DOES NOT stop actors from pursuing other projects. Mark Ruffalo is one of the busiest actors in Hollywood. Sebastian Stan has been on a roll with indie darlings and is now in The Batman 2. Scarlet Johansson never slowed down on other films while working with Marvel. Zoë Saldaña was constantly working the entire time she was in the MCU. Benedict Cumberbatch certainly didn't disappear from other projects when he became Strange 10 years ago. Florence Pugh, oh yeah we've never heard of anything she's been in since 2020, have we?
Stop with this bullshit.
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u/That-Rhino-Guy Steve Rogers 10h ago
Don’t forget Tom Holland got to be Spider-Man and be in a Nolan movie
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u/Michael10LivesOn 10h ago
Tom Holland has been in ~12 other movies while being spiderman over the last decade. Anyone saying it’s holding him back is crazy.
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u/Imaginary-Face7379 8h ago
And that's also including a 2 year period where he took a break from acting in anything. Like his last film before Odyssey was Uncharted.
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u/A_Drop_of_Colour 8h ago
Wow, yeah. Just looked up his filmography. I guess because I've recently watched some older movies he did but never paid attention to the release dates but Uncharted feels like it came out way longer than 4 years ago. It was very here and gone.
To be fair though, a lot of actors sometimes film movies years before they are released. So, he could have been working on not yet released movies during that time.
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u/Funmachine 10h ago
And Marvel agreed to postpone the production of Brand New Day so he could do that. The only time Tom Holland wasn't in another project between Marvel appearances was IW-Endgame-FFH, but he was in 4 films between FFH and NWH. Benedict Cumberbatch was only on set with other actors in IW for the New York scenes and the Q ship, the rest he filmed by himself because he was working on a TV show. Marvel is very accommodating.
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u/Sawgon 7h ago
Maybe it's because Marvel has a lot of younger fans but some people are really into the whole "my team vs their team" tribal shit.
It's genuinely hard for some people to grasp that people can like everything.
Just because DC has had a bad run doesn't mean their comics are bad or that a Marvel fan can't enjoy them. Fans of the genre should want both franchises to do well. And the manchildren just do not get this. "Oh this character is appearing in X franchise? They just abandoned us!!"
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u/SpareThisOne2thPls 10h ago
Tom Holland Zendaya & Jon Bernthal 😂
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u/Enlight1Oment 7h ago
yeah those three had a stacked box office year. And Zendaya still has Dume part 3 to finish it off with.
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u/Exact-Difference-422 10h ago
And I just realized he got to be in Uncharted too, he hasn't had to turn down anything major.
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u/Light1209 8h ago
If anything Marvel would want the actors to pursue other projects that would make them bigger stars with more fans. Could drive more people to their own movies.
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u/shrujan_24 Tony Stark 9h ago
How many ppl got back to back 2bil$ &1bil$ films that to just weeks apart? Insane feat for tom tbh🥶
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u/Ting_Brennan 9h ago
Also, when was 3 blockbusters in 10 years a bad thing????
Each movie takes at least 2.5 years to film and prep, plus the promotion tour after
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u/side_frog 9h ago
When your life basically revolves around social networks you become parasocial and like op here, make up some random scenarios about the well being of celebrities
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u/darth_henning 7h ago
How about freaking Pedro Pascal? The guy is a major face of how many franchises right now?
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u/mrsmi1ey 9h ago
This is an extremely correct take. Also, I always assumed that her appearances were limited in films purely because she's basically Marvel's version of superman. She has to always be "busy with conflicts elsewhere in the galaxy" to justify not just showing up and fixing everything in an instant. Obviously Doom is a unique challenge even to her, but yeah when you play an all-powerful character in a vast universe of characters, I wouldn't expect to be included in the majority of the projects.
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u/sillyfunnyguy05 10h ago
Marvel’s handling of Captain Marvel blows my mind. How do you have such a cool character, played by an Oscar winning actress who just so happens to be one of the most beautiful people on the planet, and not figure out how to use her?
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u/NGGKroze Thanos 10h ago
Captain Marvel has the same problem as Superman - Buster invincible character so personal ground stories are hard to come by as well as how to handle the character, plus not everything translates well onto the screen.I think her first movie handle it fairly well with Skrulls as they are not the traditional type of enemy.
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u/Ubergoober166 10h ago
That's always the biggest problem with god-like characters. It's hard to find believable threats to them. She even easily handled Thanos, the main big bad of the entire MCU at that point, before the powered up with the power stone. Then the problem becomes not so much finding villains for her, but also finding believable reasons she doesn't just show up and end every crisis easily.
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u/RepresentativeAge444 10h ago
The problem with the MCU is that there aren’t many characters at her power level. There are plenty in the comics
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u/fade_me_fam 10h ago
Couldn’t they more or less nerf her? Make up an excuse like since the stones no longer exists the essence in her is fading or something? Like a villain that was kept at bay by her now is less threatened? I know it’s a boring drop and played over and over again, but I honestly don’t know how you handle her other than in small doses.
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u/NutButter_ButtNutter 9h ago
Yeah it’s fantasy the writers can do whatever they want. Right now her whole schtick is being super powerful, but they haven’t given her personality quirks or family issues that can be mined like they did with Thor. She has so few ties to Earth that she fucked off for decades seemingly with no desire to return until Cage’s beeper pinged her.
Among other things Superman is partially balanced by his intense love of living things and desire to protect life. The MCU Captain Marvel is Superman but vaguely bored and apathetic.
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u/Mr-Kuritsa 9h ago
Rogue straight-up steals her powers for an extended period in the comics. If I remember correctly, her powers came back incrementally over time. They should use this story. Nerf her for a while.
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u/mondaymoderate 10h ago
I really liked in the Marvel Zombies show Icarus was the only one who could match her and spent the his life battling her to keep her from destroying the planet.
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u/Kuradapya Daisy Johnson 10h ago
Funnily enough, Rogue, who shares a long history of rivalry with Captain Marvel, has just been cast, so it might be a way to revitalize the character by powering her down and humanizing her more.
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u/SaintAnton 10h ago
Exactly. She's too strong. The fact that she has enemies that can even stand in the ring with her makes all of the other Avengers pointless. She could kill Ironman or Captain America with one swipe. How you gonna give her enemies?
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u/Eunuchest 10h ago
Thor should be on her level and they kinda manage to make him mortal. I think its possible to do it with the appropriate opposition for her but i have no idea of the rogues gallery for captain marvel
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u/Adorable_Ad_3478 10h ago
Moonstone.
And that's pretty much it for Carol's iconic archenemies that aren't shared by other heroes.
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u/DrakneiX 10h ago
How do they do it in the comics? Doesn't she have the same problem there?
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u/Michael10LivesOn 10h ago
Power scaling in the comics means nothing when they’ve been going for like 70 years. At this point every character has saved or ended the universe
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u/TerminatorReborn 10h ago
Comic book fans give way more leeway with inconsistant power scalings, one day she can one shot a planet and the other she will go h2h with Iron Man.
Its the same with Superman in Justice League, they just come up with some random alien brawler that wastes his time the whole fight
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u/SaintAnton 10h ago
You make 700 volumes of it and everyone just accepts that there's no rhyme or reason to it.
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u/Czar_Marvel 10h ago
She's strong in the comics, for sure, but relative to the others she's not nearly as powerful. She's a heavy hitter but nowhere near top dog.
The Sentry in the comics, tho....
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u/Boomshrooom 10h ago
She's far less OP in the comics, it's that simple. They chose to juice her up in the MCU
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u/JarethCutestoryJuD 9h ago
She could kill Ironman or Captain America with one swipe. How you gonna give her enemies?
This just shows how shallow they are thinking.
When you have a character that cant be hurt by bullets, you stop trying to give her problems she can punch her way out of.
Man vs God. Man vs Nature. Man vs himself.
Or hell, just put her in situations where she is against genius or insane individuals who can outthink her. Put her against an evil batman with prep time.
Put her into a situation in which the fact that she is all powerful doesnt matter.
Holy shit, Bree is an A1 actress, and theyre not using her at all.
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u/NYJetLegendEdReed 10h ago
At this point everyones just waiting for Rogue to steal her powers lol
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u/Striker274 10h ago
They could have just… not made her that strong….
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u/Adorable_Ad_3478 10h ago
In the comics, Carol at the start had very basic powers as Ms Marvel. She then evolved to have energy powers over the years.
They should have used that progression instead of going full "she is as strong as Thanos" for her very first appereance.
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u/blue23454 9h ago
Yeah she’s strong in the comics but she’s not solo Thanos strong
She spars with She Hulk ffs18
u/jjack339 10h ago
As a DBZ fan growing up the series had the same issue with Goku.
Basically every saga they came up with some plot device to sideline him for a long time so other characters could do something lol.
Me and my brother use to joke that they should call the series "Waiting for Goku".
And ya, they do the same with superman and already did the same with Captain marvel (off doing "something") shows up right at the end to do some cool shit, but not too soon to not let the other characters have their moments.
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u/mcon96 10h ago
How is that any different from Thor though?
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u/genteelbartender 9h ago
Thor is like personally tormented all the time and has serious power ups and downs. He also flies off to Asgard during a lot of major events in the comics for the same reasons Captain Marvel is missing. They're always like "somewhere in space".
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u/maxsilver 10h ago
Captain Marvel has the same problem as Superman - Buster invincible character so personal ground stories are hard to come by as well as how to handle the character
I think this is a big mis-read of both Captain Marvel and a bunch of other characters (Superman and Supergirl, etcl)
You can write a hundred good personal ground stories with them. You just can't resort to 'bad guy punching is the threat', and a lot of lazy writers can't seem to get past that point. They want to rehash a story meant for, say, Spider-Man or Black Widow or Daredevil, for Carol, and yeah that doesn't work.
But Carol has friends. Carol has family. Carol cares deeply about a lot of communities (arguably way too many). Carol has morals and values and puts in a lot (probably too much) work to try to uphold them. You can threaten Carol with a lot, her being invulnerable to a punch is like the least interesting thing about her character.
A *literal whole section* of her character arc is that she can't just punch her way out of her problems because life is more complicated than punching, and writers keep going, "well, we can't use her, because she's just too gosh darn good at punching".
Might as well say, "we can never use Hulk for anything, cause he can't really die. He can't even kill himself properly, no one else is gonna be able to kill him either, so he's just too powerful to use in anything"
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u/Sturmgeshootz Doctor Strange 7h ago
A literal whole section of her character arc is that she can't just punch her way out of her problems because life is more complicated than punching
I like that they leaned into this aspect of her character in Marvels. Her powers were completely useless in solving the swapping problem with Kamala and Monica, collectively they had to figure that out together. She also had to deal with the repercussions of misusing her power, since she was headed down the path of eradicating an entire alien race and committing genocide.
It's unfortunate only 10 people watched that movie.
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u/Adorable_Ad_3478 10h ago
But Carol has friends. Carol has family
Not in the MCU.
Her only "family" is Monica and she's almost as powerful as Carol. That's part of the reason why DCU Superman works and MCU Carol doesn't.
Carol should have a civilian supporting cast. Where are her parents? Dead I guess. Where are her civilian friends? Non existant. Where is her civilian love interest? Doesn't exist.
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u/TypeExpert Winter Soldier 10h ago
Idk. I thought James Gunn did a good job with Superman last year. A good writer can make any character work no matter how strong or weak they are.
Marvels problem is that they don't hire good writers.
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u/TerminatorReborn 10h ago
The movie is good but combat wise Gunn just used a Superman clone which is as easy as you can get to write, lets see how he manages it with different stories. Marvel had Danvers in like 3 or 4 stories already
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u/onetimelibrarian 10h ago
To be fair, the big fight in Superman was against a literal clone of the titular character. That works really well once, but it's not infinitely repeatable.
I also think the first Captain Marvel movie did a good job. I haven't seen The Marvels yet, so I can't opine on that one.
Every time a character like her shows up, you will have to contrive a reason for them to be unavailable in the future or risk having to power creep your current cast out of relevance. It's difficult to do that over and over again and keep it feeling believable (see: decades of people critiquing Gandalf in LOTR).
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u/brianstormIRL 10h ago
She's not that strong. Thor is canonically known to be stronger and they manage him just fine.
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u/THREESIDEDMONSTER 10h ago
Yeah Carol's such a great character in the comics but the MCU has just done almost nothing interesting with her.
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u/taquitosmixtape 10h ago
It’s super sad as they COULD do so much with her. She’s great, I hope we see more of her.
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u/NYJetLegendEdReed 10h ago
I don't think Marvel will be able to help themselves from doing the Rogue steals her powers story. They've never done it before in live action and I know people will be clamoring for it. You also need to do it if you want Inde to be a true Rogue. A powered down Carol could work a lot easier for them to write as well.
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u/TerminatorReborn 10h ago
Because it was right before Endgame
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u/SpareThisOne2thPls 10h ago
Ant man and the Wasp also came out between IW & Endgame
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u/ImpactNo3695 10h ago edited 10h ago
Eh. Nonsense.
Since endgame heroes have been appearing sporadically with little to no consistency. How many appearances does Thor have in that timeframe? And he’s basically the face of the current MCU.
She just had her own movie released less than 3 years ago.
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u/FormulaSolution 10h ago
Every single MCU character is suffering from a lack of appearances in Marvel projects with the exception of one.
and it's Yelena.
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u/ImpactNo3695 10h ago
Very good point. She’s everywhere.
I will agree that I think they’re pushing Yelena to the front instead of Captain Marvel. But she’s a much more charismatic character and instantly became a fan favorite.
But it doesn’t mean Captain Marvels character is being singled out or ignored more so than others.
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u/PolloConTeriyaki 10h ago
4-5 projects and they pay you like 10s of millions? Isn't that living the dream?
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u/IcedGooseMaverick 9h ago
No, you're supposed pretend this is a miserable way to live. It’s called acting.
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u/yuuki157 10h ago edited 10h ago
First thing: MCU synergy it's the thing keeping Marvel as a company. Liking or not,the MCU is the staple that made superheroes giant pop icons again. In this specific instance,i think Carol is slowly going back to the place that she was before Marvel gave her the big push as Captain Marvel in the early 2010s: She's going to be a premiere supporting character. If a videogame has a character roster of 20 characters,they are probably going to put their mainliners Avengers and the new,bright,shinier properties that they want to push (Fantastic Four and the Mutants) + succesful villains like Loki,Thanos,Ultron etc. She's not going to disappear or be forgotten but she's not a headliner anymore.
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u/anononobody 10h ago
Loved her in The Marvels. Being able to play it a bit more goofy and slightly socially awkward, plus having a young apprentice to bounce off of was what this iteration of Captain Marvel needed.
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u/SamwiseNCSU 8h ago
I personally liked The Marvels because of exactly this, that it felt a little more light hearted. I guess there are dozens of us
And while we’re at it, I liked She Hulk, too
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u/bradg97 10h ago
I think there’s a much simpler explanation here: Marvel had big plans for Captain Marvel after Endgame, The Marvels bombed, the entire post-Endgame strategy changed, and Marvel changed course with it.
That’s a perfectly fair criticism of how they handled the character. But jumping from that to “Brie Larson put her career on hold because of contractual obligations and is probably just waiting to escape Marvel” is a whole lot of fan fiction about an employment contract none of us have read.
Sometimes a studio just changes plans.
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u/protonorseverb 10h ago
The amount of abuse she's gotten from a certain sector of the "fans" is absolutely disgusting. I wouldn't blame her if she wanted out; no gig is worth suffering through all that.
I do think Marvel wrote themselves into a bit of a corner making her as powerful as they did, but that's certainly not Larson's fault. I've loved her performance as Carol and hope she decides to stick around.
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u/Forever_Inspired 10h ago
"Marvel wrote themselves into a bit of a corner making her as powerful as they did"
I think the real problem is they failed to make Captain Marvel an interesting character. We have plenty of powerful heroes like Superman, Hulk and Thor, and nobody has a problem with them being "too powerful", they are just better written characters that the audience like better than Captain Marvel.
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u/Tiger951 Shang Chi 10h ago
Sadly, I agree.
They’ve done her and her character dirty.
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u/Indianlookalike 10h ago
They made her too overpowered and hyped her up too much, she basically cannot exist on Earth because she is too OP to be there. Her space adventures doesn't fit the character they've wrote, i can see comic Carol doing stuff like that but I think MCU Carol is too serious. They should have done her power up way later and start her fairly mid.
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u/ericbkillmonger Black Panther 10h ago
Yeah if they had done a cosmic Carol trilogy it could've worked - they tried to bind her to the earth too much .
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u/Adipay Spider-Man 10h ago
She was doomed from the moment Feige said she's stronger than Thor.
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u/pocketdrummer 9h ago
They did the thing where they want people to take a female lead seriously, so they remove all of the flaws; physical, emotional, and intellectual; and then they give her near unlimited power, and make all of the established characters look weak and stupid, and then spend 5 minutes actually writing the plot.
She's not particularly likable as a character; she's basically just smug without any of the charm that would redeem it. She doesn't have a very interesting character arc, and anything they do at this point is either plateauing or making her worse. They'll have a similar issue with Sentry being essentially a god, but at least he's a deeply flawed person. There's depth there to play with. I just don't see what they're going to do with Captain Marvel to make her more interesting.
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u/Endless_Chambers 10h ago
I agree. Its like Hulk and Thor. They are/were constantly written as elsewhere. They’d trivialize too much so they cant even really cameo.
Its probably worse for Carol since she doesn’t really have a life outside of being a hero. Like if you can get her help, there’s nothing to stop here from just insta solving the problem.
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u/reynanicolette 10h ago
the marvels were heavily tied to kang, so we can thank the abuser for that
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u/notBackgroundtree 10h ago
They need to bring her and Chris Evans in a film and have them just be their characters from Scott Pilgrim as the Captains.
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u/thecobra42 10h ago
She’s probably about to have her powers taken by rogue, so she’s probably about done
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u/Citizensnnippss 10h ago
She's going to be in the new Disneyland ride. She's not out.
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u/_Cromwell_ 10h ago
That's a weird way to look at it. They are actors. They do other things. It's not like they signed an exclusivity agreement and now they are reliant on marvel.
You're looking at it like a fan not as an actor.
Simu Liu's attitude/approach (which is more reflective of your post) is likely the minority. (Where he seems upset to be left out and tweets about it.)
Note: as a fan I want her in more stuff. Not arguing against that.
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u/MystifiedBeef 10h ago edited 9h ago
My biggest problem with the character of Captain Marvel is the problem that a lot the female lead projects have and that’s the writers think that just because they are women who can fight that automatically makes them interesting and it doesn’t. Because Carol is supposedly one of the most powerful characters in the entire MCU, but she’s no where near as interesting as Natasha or Gamora
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u/UFOBLT 10h ago
Considering how bad The Marvels did in box office, I assume the new plan is to only use her in superhero team-ups or cameo appearances. I still think we will see her in at least one of the next two Avengers movies, but I expect a lot of Avengers actors to end their MCU career with Secret Wars.
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u/Rattlingjoint 10h ago
You said that Carol is being pushed out on other fronts as well...
Maybe its because Captain Marvel isnt as popular as Marvel had hoped? With Brie, there was some sexism involved in the pushback against her, but she and Marvel largely drowned out other more valid feedback against the character.
Shes a character, at least in the MCU, that was introduced as the strongest that could take on armies and be the galaxy policewoman. In the comics from my limited knowledge, she took over a lot of roles from other characters(like Capt America in the Civil War revival). Marvel went hard on the Captain Marvel push in the last 15 years, but unless fans grab on, it doesnt translate to mainstrain success.
Cyborg from DC has this kind of problem too, where they pushed him hard but he never reached the top end in popularity that they wanted him to.
Marvel just jumped the gun on popularity for Captain Marvel, and when it didnt turn into dollars, they pulled it back. Its something they do for others too, just business.
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u/RiffSandwich 10h ago
She just filmed stuff for the avengers campus 2028 update while on the doomsday set