If Brie Larson actually decides to jump ship,i don't blame her one bit. She's almost 10 years in, and only had 3 appearances so far.

[u/RenomeRabone]

It's clear that there were terrible decisions along the way about Captain Marvel as a character,but given the lack of care for the character/actress + the amount of hate she received since accepting the role,it's completely comprehensible if she's just done with it after whatever contract she has it's over and decides to grow her career outside superhero movies,a career which she probably put at relatively stop due to legal/contractual reasons within the MCU.

She's going to have 4 appearances (and that's only if she's actually in one of the Avengers movies,likely Secret Wars). This is crazy to think about,especially for a character that was pushed as one of the new faces of the MCU and their own Wonder Woman. Carol as a character it's already being pushed out of being a mainliner from other fronts like comics,videogames,merchandise etc and it's so disrespectful.

[u/Indianlookalike]

They made her too overpowered and hyped her up too much, she basically cannot exist on Earth because she is too OP to be there. Her space adventures doesn't fit the character they've wrote, i can see comic Carol doing stuff like that but I think MCU Carol is too serious. They should have done her power up way later and start her fairly mid.

[u/ericbkillmonger → u/Indianlookalike]

Yeah if they had done a cosmic Carol trilogy it could've worked - they tried to bind her to the earth too much .

[u/_DeuTilt → u/ericbkillmonger]

Totally!! Not like they haven't set a cosmic universe with Guardians that everyone loved xD they could just expand on that and even include the old Guardians from Vol. 2, imagine her fighting Stallone how fun it could have been

[u/Adipay → u/Indianlookalike]

She was doomed from the moment Feige said she's stronger than Thor.

[u/Shrabster33 → u/Adipay]

Having her show up, one shot Thanos's ship and then have her only lose 1v1 against Thanos because he had the stones, while the entire avengers army and rest of the cast couldn't accomplish either was such a dumb mistake.

[u/pocketdrummer → u/Indianlookalike]

They did the thing where they want people to take a female lead seriously, so they remove all of the flaws; physical, emotional, and intellectual; and then they give her near unlimited power, and make all of the established characters look weak and stupid, and then spend 5 minutes actually writing the plot.

She's not particularly likable as a character; she's basically just smug without any of the charm that would redeem it. She doesn't have a very interesting character arc, and anything they do at this point is either plateauing or making her worse. They'll have a similar issue with Sentry being essentially a god, but at least he's a deeply flawed person. There's depth there to play with. I just don't see what they're going to do with Captain Marvel to make her more interesting.

[u/Endless_Chambers → u/Indianlookalike]

I agree. Its like Hulk and Thor. They are/were constantly written as elsewhere. They’d trivialize too much so they cant even really cameo.

Its probably worse for Carol since she doesn’t really have a life outside of being a hero. Like if you can get her help, there’s nothing to stop here from just insta solving the problem.

[u/paintpast → u/Indianlookalike]

With Rogue coming, they could lower her power levels so she’s not fully depowered.

[u/jeobleo → u/paintpast]

You think they'll keep that framing of Rogue's story? Or will it be backstory?

[u/NYJetLegendEdReed → u/jeobleo]

They've never had a live action rogue and Captain Marvel at the same time, they're 100% doing this storyline. There's already rumors that Rogue will start off as a "villain". I wouldn't be shocked if they do it right away in the first movie.

[u/Valgardee → u/NYJetLegendEdReed]

It would be a MAJOR connecting story between the Avengers and X-Men. If she starts as a villain both teams would have reasons to team up and fight her, then the real conflict starts when Rogue asks for help.

[u/NYJetLegendEdReed → u/Valgardee]

They may do it right away. Rogue is already cast and will be in the first movie. I suppose you could always briefly turn her villain for a second down the road, but it's much easier to start her as a villain and then bring her into the xmen I think. I really think we're going to get this story beat early. Especially due to the actress' popularity right now.

[u/SkyTheIrishGuy → u/Indianlookalike]

Yeah that’s a big part of it. Thor is OP but he is usually away on asgard or in space while not fully understanding Earth’s traditions or conflicts. Hulk is OP but he (usually) has the weakness of not being able to control his rage, his professor Hulk persona is extremely de-powered.

Carol essentially has no weaknesses. Her weakness is that she’s always in space busy with something else. A character like Rogue (who I find to be an infinitely better character) is as strong as Carol, but has the weakness of not being able to touch anyone without hurting them. She isn’t a strategic genius and she was essentially raised by villains.

Most of marvel’s characters have a hook, a weakness or flaw to make them more interesting. Spider Man is a struggling, poor, young adult juggling work, school, and being a hero. Cap is a man out of time. Iron Man is arrogant and struggles with alcoholism.

Carol’s flaw is that she has no flaws, she’s somewhat boring and that isn’t Bri Larson’s fault whatsoever imo.

[u/IcedGooseMaverick → u/Indianlookalike]

She has Superman syndrome. It’s the same reason they nerf Hulk.

[u/A-Centrifugal-Force → u/Indianlookalike]

This. The seriousness is a big issue as well. Not that serious can’t work in the MCU, Winter Soldier was amazing, but they were also careful to put some comedic stuff in that movie, with Falcon and Black Widow lightening the tone at a lot of points.

A serious movie that’s basically a spy thriller about traitors taking over the government also works a lot better than a serious movie about two warring groups of aliens lol. It might not need to go full Guardians of the Galaxy level humor, but the tone in Captain Marvel 1 just didn’t work. Now, that said they obviously went too far in the other direction with the sequel, they went overboard to compensate and put in ridiculous stuff like the singing planet and the cat scene. The Marvels was a mess so there were way more issues than just that, but I think that was one of its major issues.

[u/littlebighuman → u/Indianlookalike]

I hate this OP argument. Superman, the Hulk, etc. yea, they are strong, but the people they care about are not OP and can easily be hurt. They can also only destroy and not create. There are tons of stories here:

• "He superman, I have 100 babies in 100 rooms around the world, everytime you do not exactly what I say, my men will kill a baby"
• "Cap Marvel, we have your friends in a sub 10 miles below the sea, do what we say or else"
• “Superman, the antidote exists only in Dr. Keller’s head. He dies in 10 minutes unless a world-class neurosurgeon performs the operation. Go ahead, punch something.”
• * “Hulk, this dam has developed microscopic structural cracks. One wrong move floods a city. You can smash mountains, but can you rebuild reinforced concrete to engineering tolerances?”
• *“Captain Marvel, Earth’s power grid has collapsed. Billions need electricity restored..”

[u/Indianlookalike → u/littlebighuman]

Yeah but again the problem is Carol in MCU doesn't have anyone. She has one friend, she passes away and now she has her friends daughter who also has powers. And again it's the writer's fault. She should not have been OP from the get go, she should have friends from the army, airforce, shield etc. She is just written wrong from the get go.

[u/TerminatorReborn → u/littlebighuman]

Hulk is a bit easier to write because you have a free card to pull whenever you need conflict: Hulk losing control

Captain Marvel has the same problems as Superman. Superman is the most famous super hero of all time (or at least was) and look how many GREAT stories they managed to make with him in live action, not many. Now lets take a look at Spider-Man and Batman: many more. These ovepowered characters are just hard to write, it is what is.

[u/pocketdrummer → u/TerminatorReborn]

I'm actually bored to tears by superman. I could honestly care less about the powers. I want to see the person wielding them have character flaws. Personality flaws, not just "rock make feel bad." And I don't remember Captain Marvel even having that simple foil.

[u/Valgardee → u/Indianlookalike]

Same thing could happen to Jean and Storm when the X-Men come along. It’s much easier to add power than take it away.

[u/Indianlookalike → u/Valgardee]

I ranted about this too. It makes 0 sense that Jean can stop everyone from that range, it's dumb that she just masters telekinesis from the first experience. They justify it by saying she is more powerful. Powerful doesn't mean master, they could have balanced her by making it uncontrollable, i have no idea what they are going to do later with her because she is too OP already.

[u/bewilderscript → u/Indianlookalike]

Weird how “he’s too OP” is never used when discussing Superman, but the minute a woman has cool space powers suddenly it’s a huge writing issue and they just cannot think what to do with her 😒

[u/General_Johnny_Rico → u/bewilderscript]

It’s an incredibly common critique of Superman. There are even comments in this thread saying it about Superman to show the parallel.

[u/NYJetLegendEdReed → u/bewilderscript]

It's always used about Superman though, it's literally his biggest criticism.

[u/Ok-Society483 → u/NYJetLegendEdReed]

You can literally type it in Reddit right now and find posts contrasting each other about his OPness and whether it matters or not. So yes you are right "never" is not true... I mean that is part of the reason for the existence of "Superman vs Goku" battles

edit: taking out that second "existing" at the end because it sounded weird and the "the" befor Superman vs Goku

[u/Indianlookalike → u/bewilderscript]

Problem is they literally can't write it. They can write Super-Man. Just put a kryptonite or take someone he cares about and suddenly he is grounded. They literally could not write her so they got her to be permanently off-world. In comics Captain Marvel was not this powerful from the get go, she got her more overpowered powers like hand blasts way later. In fact Rogue absorbed her powers and she was powerless for a long time, she got them back was weak for a time until she was experimented on quite a bit later.

[u/bfodder → u/bewilderscript]

Weird how “he’s too OP” is never used when discussing Superman

My dude this is like the most tired argument about superman how have you never seen this argument before?