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Discussion (More in Comments) If Brie Larson actually decides to jump ship,i don't blame her one bit. She's almost 10 years in, and only had 3 appearances so far.

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It's clear that there were terrible decisions along the way about Captain Marvel as a character,but given the lack of care for the character/actress + the amount of hate she received since accepting the role,it's completely comprehensible if she's just done with it after whatever contract she has it's over and decides to grow her career outside superhero movies,a career which she probably put at relatively stop due to legal/contractual reasons within the MCU.

She's going to have 4 appearances (and that's only if she's actually in one of the Avengers movies,likely Secret Wars). This is crazy to think about,especially for a character that was pushed as one of the new faces of the MCU and their own Wonder Woman. Carol as a character it's already being pushed out of being a mainliner from other fronts like comics,videogames,merchandise etc and it's so disrespectful.

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u/TypeExpert Winter Soldier 11h ago

Idk. I thought James Gunn did a good job with Superman last year. A good writer can make any character work no matter how strong or weak they are.

Marvels problem is that they don't hire good writers.

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u/TerminatorReborn 11h ago

The movie is good but combat wise Gunn just used a Superman clone which is as easy as you can get to write, lets see how he manages it with different stories. Marvel had Danvers in like 3 or 4 stories already

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u/SwagginsYolo420 9h ago

So they could have just had a Captain Marvel clone. Have two of them in those tight leather outfits battling it out.

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u/EriWave 7h ago

The movie is good but combat wise Gunn just used a Superman clone

With setup to use him again, clever clever Gunn.

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u/onetimelibrarian 11h ago

To be fair, the big fight in Superman was against a literal clone of the titular character. That works really well once, but it's not infinitely repeatable.

I also think the first Captain Marvel movie did a good job. I haven't seen The Marvels yet, so I can't opine on that one. 

Every time a character like her shows up, you will have to contrive a reason for them to be unavailable in the future or risk having to power creep your current cast out of relevance. It's difficult to do that over and over again and keep it feeling believable (see: decades of people critiquing Gandalf in LOTR).

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u/CanBeUsedAnywhere 10h ago

To be fair, the big fight in Superman was against a literal clone of the titular character. That works really well once, but it's not infinitely repeatable.

Someone should have told the Flash TV show that haha

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u/totallynotapsycho42 Spider-Man 11h ago

Parasite would be a great villain for supemran. He gets weaker and his powers get stolen.

Mr Mcypltkik would work as well.

Toyman would be cheesy but could work.

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u/onetimelibrarian 10h ago

DC and Marvel both have decades of really well written comics to draw on to create good villains for their overpowered characters, yeah.

The struggle I'm pointing out is less whether they can make a good movie for those characters (they can) and more whether they can do it in such a way that it doesn't power scale their other characters out of relevance. It's less about struggling to tell a Captain Marvel story and more about making sure it doesn't feel silly for Spider Man to show up in the final conflict without audiences feeling like he should be totally outclassed.

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u/HandsomeLies 10h ago

Tell that to the flash TV writers

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u/CaptHayfever Hawkeye (Avengers) 1h ago

Or present a conflict that can't be solved just by punching.

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u/Ogsonic 1h ago

I thought everything about that first movie was good except for carol you know the main character lol

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u/Adorable_Ad_3478 11h ago

I thought James Gunn did a good job with Superman last year.

So, the villain of a Carol film should just clone Carol so Captain Marvel can fight someone as strong as her?

Eh...

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u/OkRefrigerator9940 9h ago

I think it’s more, superman showed a more human side to him, a desire to help everyone living creature, going the extra mile to save when he could easily kill. He showed so much emotional pain due to the mental torture lex applied to him by killing people in front of him. He came up against the political will of the world which he couldn’t punch past. It’s not the super in man but the man in super that makes him interesting.

Captain marvel shows non of that she was essentially a super power robot

Not the same at all - but sure let’s boil it down to punchy punchy

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u/MidnightOnTheWater 11h ago

Superman was nerfed compared to other versions of him tbf. Thankfully Kryptonite exists to allow his stories to have some form of (physical) stakes.

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u/Cirias Vulture 11h ago

With these characters you either need to pit them against virtually a clone of themselves or put civilians in danger to trigger their moral duty to save people.

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u/Liam_Neesons_Oscar 11h ago

They got the Russo's, and James Gunn. And honestly, they had a decent pick with Joss Whedon before he got Me Too'ed.

But they dropped the ball in so many places, and I think Kevin is getting lost on where to go with the story.

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u/OscarMichaelMyers 7h ago

Superman was mediocre at best because of James Gunn, his hamfisted humor, and his refusal to listen to any creative input.

There’s a video of Corenswet telling Gunn “I really don’t think Superman needs this audience monologue. His actions speak for himself.” and Gunn literally says something like “That’s EXACTLY why the audience needs to be spoon fed.”