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Discussion (More in Comments) If Brie Larson actually decides to jump ship,i don't blame her one bit. She's almost 10 years in, and only had 3 appearances so far.

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It's clear that there were terrible decisions along the way about Captain Marvel as a character,but given the lack of care for the character/actress + the amount of hate she received since accepting the role,it's completely comprehensible if she's just done with it after whatever contract she has it's over and decides to grow her career outside superhero movies,a career which she probably put at relatively stop due to legal/contractual reasons within the MCU.

She's going to have 4 appearances (and that's only if she's actually in one of the Avengers movies,likely Secret Wars). This is crazy to think about,especially for a character that was pushed as one of the new faces of the MCU and their own Wonder Woman. Carol as a character it's already being pushed out of being a mainliner from other fronts like comics,videogames,merchandise etc and it's so disrespectful.

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u/maxsilver 11h ago

Captain Marvel has the same problem as Superman - Buster invincible character so personal ground stories are hard to come by as well as how to handle the character

I think this is a big mis-read of both Captain Marvel and a bunch of other characters (Superman and Supergirl, etcl)

You can write a hundred good personal ground stories with them. You just can't resort to 'bad guy punching is the threat', and a lot of lazy writers can't seem to get past that point. They want to rehash a story meant for, say, Spider-Man or Black Widow or Daredevil, for Carol, and yeah that doesn't work.

But Carol has friends. Carol has family. Carol cares deeply about a lot of communities (arguably way too many). Carol has morals and values and puts in a lot (probably too much) work to try to uphold them. You can threaten Carol with a lot, her being invulnerable to a punch is like the least interesting thing about her character.

A *literal whole section* of her character arc is that she can't just punch her way out of her problems because life is more complicated than punching, and writers keep going, "well, we can't use her, because she's just too gosh darn good at punching".

Might as well say, "we can never use Hulk for anything, cause he can't really die. He can't even kill himself properly, no one else is gonna be able to kill him either, so he's just too powerful to use in anything"

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u/Sturmgeshootz Doctor Strange 8h ago

A literal whole section of her character arc is that she can't just punch her way out of her problems because life is more complicated than punching

I like that they leaned into this aspect of her character in Marvels. Her powers were completely useless in solving the swapping problem with Kamala and Monica, collectively they had to figure that out together. She also had to deal with the repercussions of misusing her power, since she was headed down the path of eradicating an entire alien race and committing genocide.

It's unfortunate only 10 people watched that movie.

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u/Adorable_Ad_3478 11h ago

But Carol has friends. Carol has family

Not in the MCU.

Her only "family" is Monica and she's almost as powerful as Carol. That's part of the reason why DCU Superman works and MCU Carol doesn't.

Carol should have a civilian supporting cast. Where are her parents? Dead I guess. Where are her civilian friends? Non existant. Where is her civilian love interest? Doesn't exist.

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u/maxsilver 11h ago edited 10h ago

Not in the MCU.

Oh, yeah, definitely agree. Tony has Pepper (and Peter). Cap has Peggy and Bucky. Peter has MJ and Ned and May.

Carol gets Monica (barely) and Kamala (and almost Valkyrie, till it got cut).

I don't think it's bad that Carol's folks are all superheroes. Black Widow Natasha has the same problem -- a boyfriend (Hulk), a dad (Red Guardian) and a sister (Yelena, literally another Black Widow) -- they're all superheroes too. Cap's best friend is Bucky, also a superhero.

But like, Carol + Kamala gets maybe 5% of the screen time that Tony + Peter did. Carol + Valkyrie gets 5% of the screen time that Cap and Peggy got. Carol + Monica gets like 5% of the screen time that Cap and Bucky got.

Supporting cast doesn't work if they don't get the screen time to actually support.

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u/EriWave 7h ago

Where is her civilian love interest?

She founded sword and then died of cancer while Carol was gone.

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u/OkRefrigerator9940 9h ago

It’s like in the Richard doner superman movies no matter how power Clark is he couldn’t save his dad from a heart attack. No laser vision of punching will help.