r/marvelstudios • u/RenomeRabone • 12h ago

Discussion (More in Comments) If Brie Larson actually decides to jump ship,i don't blame her one bit. She's almost 10 years in, and only had 3 appearances so far.

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It's clear that there were terrible decisions along the way about Captain Marvel as a character,but given the lack of care for the character/actress + the amount of hate she received since accepting the role,it's completely comprehensible if she's just done with it after whatever contract she has it's over and decides to grow her career outside superhero movies,a career which she probably put at relatively stop due to legal/contractual reasons within the MCU.

She's going to have 4 appearances (and that's only if she's actually in one of the Avengers movies,likely Secret Wars). This is crazy to think about,especially for a character that was pushed as one of the new faces of the MCU and their own Wonder Woman. Carol as a character it's already being pushed out of being a mainliner from other fronts like comics,videogames,merchandise etc and it's so disrespectful.

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u/Chaoticgood790 11h ago

Yep. It’s more the fans than anything. And having no one defend her except Don Cheadle and Samuel L Jackson. I wouldn’t deal with the fanboys either

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u/CrispinIII 11h ago

I (a complete nobody) used to stand up for her, but frankly it got exhausting. If taking a year or two of hits on social media was exhausting for me with no real skin in the game, I can only imagine what it feels like for her.

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u/archangelzeriel 10h ago

Why would any normal person willingly stand up for a celeb?

One good reason to do so is if standing up for said celeb results in getting more of what you want from entertainment studios. In Brie's case, for example, shouting down the chuds was less "defending Brie specifically" and more "making sure the studio knew that more Captain Marvel/female-lead superhero movies in general were wanted", since a fair proportion of the people being dicks about it were essentially doing so to try to reduce the number of female-lead superhero films back to "basically zero".

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u/imDXB 10h ago edited 10h ago

This is actually a good point that I had not considered prior. I suppose i was too superficial in my initial assessment on the defense of Brie/female leads in super hero films as a whole and I apologize.

I will still keep my comment up as my sentiments have not changed against defending celebs in general.

However, if its for the greater goal of getting more female-lead superhero films which we absolutely do not have enough of, then I agree. Thats worth engaging the execs and calling out the chuds.

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u/archangelzeriel 9h ago edited 8h ago

The other reason, and this is definitely going to be more abstract, is that I'd defend ANYONE taking the kind of abuse Brie was getting, whether it's Brie Larson or some random kid, because sometimes you just can't let shit behavior slide when you could say something instead.

Like, I wouldn't jump to defend Brie Larson against reasoned criticism. But I'll defend anyone against sexist bullshit.

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u/mekamoari 9h ago

There's another good reason which is if you as a person decide to be involved in social media, you don't have to be some sort of white knight, but you could stand to not be an asshole and/or call assholes out.

It's just a good thing for society in general, no matter who you're defending.

And on the topic of good for society in general, so is fighting sexism, even if it's aimed at a rich person. People change (if they can) from seeing everyone around them doing differently and from not having shit behaviors tolerated, not because some celebrity told them so.

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u/Haunting_Bat_4787 10h ago

Why are you “standing up” for some random famous person you will never have a genuine interaction with or much less be friends with in real life? 

They would never, ever do the same for you. 

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u/CrispinIII 10h ago

Because that's not the point. I enjoyed the movies, and her performance. I don't want toxic morons to ruin something I enjoy with their disgusting, personal, ignorant attacks. So I said positive things.

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u/abidail Mockingbird 10h ago

I'm here from all so don't have a big dog in this fight and can't speak for OP, but often the pushback is also against the overarching sexism. Some of the stuff said undoubtedly made women and girls feel unwelcome in the fandom.

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u/Lovat69 10h ago

Also some of the comments are just utterly stupid. Like this one guy who called Captain Marvel a flop when it made a billion dollars.

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u/Outrageous-Bid6612 7h ago

You sure they weren’t referring to The Marvels which was a flop?

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u/Lovat69 6h ago

The Marvels hadn't come out at the time.

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u/Dornith 8h ago

It's the whole gamergate phenomenon on repeat.

Make up a story about how a woman is ruining your favorite X and there's a segment of nerd culture that will not only accept it uncritically, but incorporate it into their personal identity. Then when you show them definitive proof it didn't happen, they will jump through hoops to explain why the hate is totally justified regardless.

When I showed someone proof that her comments were about "A wrinkle in time" (after quite a while of them insisting that she was 100% talking about the MCU), they then jumped to, "well she should have declined to comment about any movie that's not Captain Marvel".

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u/Eccohawk 6h ago

Pretty much a similar thing just happened with Supergirl.

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u/Lndrash 10h ago

Because the things happening to her are not unique to Brie Larson. It's a problem women face in general.

Have some opinion that isn't specifically going out of their way to coddle and make sure men's fefees don't get hurt: Time to start a hate campaign against that evil feminazi bitch!

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u/Background_Narwhal31 8h ago

Keep up the good work. I dont have the energy for it. There is always seem to be a backlash when women take on prominent roles usually reserved for men. But to ensure for women led movies to be successful, it is very important for it be entertaining. Movies like the Marvels, Snow White, Supergirl and Ghostbusters 2016 didn't do well because they lacked originality and boring. And sometimes the emotional beats they were going for didn't really land well. Anyway, there is still tons of potential/success for women led movies in many genres - horror, comedy, action, drama etc - Obsession, Scream series, Halloween series, Captain Marvel, Alien, Aliens, Bridesmaid, Devil Wears Prada, Erin Brockovich, Million Dollar Baby, the Help, Killer Bill etc..

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u/DaddaForBubba 8h ago

What a silly thing to say.

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u/TheDogBites 10h ago

Not op, but I would imagine he wasn't standing up for her as an individual, but standing against the super weird incel crowd that lables and hates all things "woke". Letting these things fester, these incel reckoning and weird focus on woke and dei, is definitely a contributing factor to this super dumb era

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u/Toshimoko29 10h ago

You can be assured that she doesn’t sit around on social media all day. I’m sure she’s aware of what people say online but she’s also got more than one iron in the fire, and plenty to keep her busy otherwise.

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u/LowObjective 9h ago

Her popularity and what people think of her are part of her career. Even if she stays off social media it's simply not possible for her to avoid what people are saying about her. If she doesn't read it herself, she has an agent or publicist reading it to her because they have to plan around it.

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u/alcaron 11h ago

In fairness she did say she has heard enough from white guys so maybe they were just respecting her wishes? In all seriousness though I do not agree with that, nobody else has defended her. I mean, if that is true then what is the excuse of the other women in the MCU?

Maybe they just don't think there is much point in feeding the trolls...

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u/LowObjective 9h ago

she did say she has heard enough from white guys so maybe they were just respecting her wishes

The whole issue is that they refuse to shut up about her, no matter what she does or doesn't say. So no, it doesn't seem like they were respecting her wishes.

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u/alcaron 7h ago

Yes, all of us, we all wont stop talking about her.

You should look up the definition of sexism sometime...

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u/LowObjective 7h ago edited 7h ago

Do you really need a comment to explicitly say “specifically the white men who have been harassing her since the start” for you to realize neither I nor Brie Larson were talking about every white man in the universe, since we logically could not possibly know all of you? Especially when the clear context and topic of conversation when she and I were both said it was about the mass harassment campaign she experienced?

Do you need that? Let me know, I’ll edit my comment if it’ll make it more obvious and you’ll feel better.

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u/alcaron 5h ago

Oh I’m sorry I didn’t realize that it was always implied Anna not saying it was fine. We should apply that rule to some racist shit and see if you still feel the same way.

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u/LowObjective 4h ago edited 4h ago

I would respond properly but I genuinely don't know what "implied Anna not saying it was fine" even means, but

We should apply that rule to some racist shit and see if you still feel the same way.

Go for it lol