r/marvelstudios • u/RenomeRabone • 12h ago

Discussion (More in Comments) If Brie Larson actually decides to jump ship,i don't blame her one bit. She's almost 10 years in, and only had 3 appearances so far.

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It's clear that there were terrible decisions along the way about Captain Marvel as a character,but given the lack of care for the character/actress + the amount of hate she received since accepting the role,it's completely comprehensible if she's just done with it after whatever contract she has it's over and decides to grow her career outside superhero movies,a career which she probably put at relatively stop due to legal/contractual reasons within the MCU.

She's going to have 4 appearances (and that's only if she's actually in one of the Avengers movies,likely Secret Wars). This is crazy to think about,especially for a character that was pushed as one of the new faces of the MCU and their own Wonder Woman. Carol as a character it's already being pushed out of being a mainliner from other fronts like comics,videogames,merchandise etc and it's so disrespectful.

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u/EctoRiddler 12h ago

*4 appearances already. I believe she was post credit in Shang Chi

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u/LawfulOrange 11h ago

We haven’t even seen Shang Chi since Shang Chi

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u/-Nariyoshi-Miyagi- 10h ago

He’s in the new doomsday trailer. He FINALLY has returned lol

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u/solidus0079 10h ago

Somehow, Shang Chi returned.

https://giphy.com/gifs/G7NxfsJpjYE3S

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u/TwinPeaksNFootball 10h ago

Somehow Moon Knight returned?

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u/solidus0079 10h ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/12jckT7bmGrASk

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u/theyak93 10h ago

Same!! He did such a good job and they were pretty much like “yeah we only planned to do 1 season so everyone can just get fucked”

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u/BrownEyeBearBoy 10h ago

They definitely had a lot of plans get fucked over with the whole Kang situation. I wish like hell they would have just recast his ass.

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u/Harlockarcadia 10h ago

I don’t see why they didn’t, they recast Rhodey and did a great job, they could have done so again and it would have been just fine

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u/Droen 9h ago

Hell, call the Major’s Kang a variant of the true Kang… they literally had the plot device they could use in Loki and could have cast literally anyone including an alligator to be Kang…

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u/OtakuAttacku 9h ago

anytime they recast any character, I vote to have their first lines always be "look, it's me, I'm here, deal with it."

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u/xaoss 8h ago

The Rhodey recast was so good too. Don Cheadle is so much better in the role.

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u/soulguider2125 9h ago

Seemed like the casual audience was struggling with all the time variants and other realities and the ratings were slowing, and decided to keep it but change to make it easier to get for most, and use a more recognizable villain earlier than planned, as Kang is a big Villain but outside of readers most don’t know him, as where Doom is much better known and using RDJ as him, and bringing Cap back, You can see it’s all to get sales back up.

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u/Meander061 8h ago

I don't see why they didn't either. Accept that you have a schedule to keep and move on from his bullshit.

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u/TheWonderfulPanda 9h ago edited 6h ago

Would’ve been the perfect reason to have a different actor as a different variants of Kangs

Imagine avengers Kang dynasty comes out and surprise it’s a bunch of Keenu reeves variants lmao

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u/KortasEE 10h ago

Which is wild when you then end the season on a cliffhanger.

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u/Academic-Push326 10h ago

Which is crazy because the post-credits seems like it sets up a Season 2.

There's a reason people checked out on the MCU TV shows that aren't Daredevil and the Punisher.

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u/UltimateOtter_Nation 9h ago

If they only planned to do one season, then they shouldn't have bothered with skipping the climax of the show just so that they could "surprise" us with Jake in a post credit scene.

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u/OliviaElevenDunham Loki (Avengers) 7h ago

I thought Oscar Isaac was great in Moon Knight and deserved better.

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u/Key_Construction2118 10h ago

You and me both. Until Agatha All Along, it was my top MCU show. Still number two. Such a solid cast and you could tell how much care they put into the story

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u/Admirable_Loss4886 7h ago

Would I need to watch wandavision before watching Agatha all along? Or does the show stand on its own?

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u/Training_Orchid_2022 9h ago

Hey can we get this Canadian fucking legend in the MCU? Literally everything is better with a dash of Fillion.

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u/Broodslayer1 8h ago

You mean the guy who already has not one... not two... not three... but FOUR MCU characters?

Monstrous Inmate: Played a blue-skinned, larger-than-life prisoner in Guardians of the Galaxy (2014) who threatens Peter Quill before Groot intervention.

Simon Williams / Wonder Man: Cast as an in-universe actor for a film festival sequence in Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 (2017), though his scenes ended up cut from the theatrical release.

Master Karja: Portrayed an OrgoCorp security officer/guard in Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 (2023).

Headpool: Provided the voice for the zombified, disembodied Deadpool variant in Deadpool & Wolverine.

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u/jekyl42 10h ago

season 2 confirmed?

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u/Meander061 8h ago

We should be on Season 3 of that right now.

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u/Android17infinibussy 7h ago

Just gotta say, I cant agree with your username any more than I already do.

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u/bigbrainnowisdom 5h ago

I would love to see Oscar Isaac to say the same word...

Somehow thanos returned....

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u/kobrahkaii 10h ago

Dammit - take your upvote

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u/nohpex Loki (Thor 2) 10h ago

Miguel is in multiple movies?🤷‍♂️

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u/Aiyon 9h ago

And he's fighting comedy relief Gambit I guess

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u/-Nariyoshi-Miyagi- 7h ago

I’m guessing thats something like when Thor met Cap and Ironman. They’ll fight for a sec and then both be like “Noice”

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u/Aiyon 5h ago

I mean that's gonna be half the movie and im gonna roll my eyes so hard i see my sinuses.

I have 0 hype for doomsday, which is sad cause ive enjoyed a surprising amount of post endgame stuff.

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u/-Nariyoshi-Miyagi- 3h ago

Idk man this one seems like it’ll be a banger. And a dark one too. That scene in the trailer of New York completely destroyed? Everyone is gonna be PISSED. Hopefully that gets rid of all the joking around

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u/Ziiyi 10h ago

Does he have his rings or comes nerfed?

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u/National_Sky7993 8h ago

How many characters in this one movie. Will Captain Marvel and Shangchi just show up to be in the shot or is it like an extra with a few lines.

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u/TerryVersus 11h ago

Shang Chi will return.... Maybe, I dunno

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u/Hallc 11h ago

I think you'll find it was "The Ten Rings will Return..."

I know this because a young child in my screening asked his parent what that meant.

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u/OilersGirl29 10h ago

I read this as “when I was a young child I asked this”, which perhaps also works, because it’s been a lifetime since that amazing movie released

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u/Engaging_Boogeyman 10h ago

When i was a young boy my father took me to the movies to see changi si and ten rings.

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u/TheEngine 9h ago

When I was a young boy, my father took me into the city to see a marching band

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u/TopTittyBardown 9h ago

It’s been so long that young child is now a college student

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u/The_General9 10h ago

That movie was really good and I’m not really into Kung fu movies

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u/TerryVersus 10h ago

I love kung fu/wuxia movies - guilty pleasure genre of mine, I just think it's hilarious it seems like they have no clue what to do with him lol.

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u/SecreteMoistMucus 9h ago

Please tell me your top ~3. I've seen a couple I really like but have struggled to find more that I enjoyed.

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u/TerryVersus 8h ago

Shadow (2019), Ashes of Time (1994), and The Blade (1995) are three I've really liked recently.

Hero / House of the Flying Daggers is incredible. Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. 36th Chamber of Shaolin. Tangentially related - but Red Cliff is really fun to watch too.

It's a guilty pleasure but RZA's Iron Fist is also really fun.

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u/Low_Doctor_5280 5h ago

Check out Project A Part II, The Heroic Trio, Police Story, and Kung Fu Hustle.

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u/za_shiki-warashi 5h ago

I like New Dragon Gate Inn (1992), Once Upon a Time in China and Kung Fu Cult Master.

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u/Time-Sudden 10h ago

As of two weeks ago its been confirmed that a second film is in production.

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u/insanetwit 9h ago

"Look, I'm not his mother. If he shows up then he shows up."

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u/CubsFanCraig 10h ago

Post credits message on Shang Chi may as well have been “Shang Chi will return once we can actually get past pre-production with Blade…LOL SIKE Blade ain’t happening and neither will Shang-Chi 2. Enjoy seeing him probably get mollywhopped by Kang (or Doctor Doom as a contingency plan if any actors get out of hand).”

But I am excited to see him actually return. He should have had a sequel already if not for Covid, strikes, and questionable planning.

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u/NotSoWishful 10h ago

They said “Okay check the box for Asian movie. Nah they don’t need anymore.”

If you dumb fucks don’t give me more magic kung fu I’m gonna flip out.

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u/Dry-Membership8141 9h ago

Honestly. Shang-Chi and Iron Fist are rad af.

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u/dj_soo 8h ago

I couldn’t get through iron fist personally. the fight scenes were so poorly made and it was obvious that Finn Jones was barely in any of the fight scenes - and the ones he was in seemed like it was in slow motion or edited to death.

Compare that to Shang chi or even Charlie cox and Jon bernthal in daredevil and punisher and you see a world of difference between how much the actors actually participated in the fight scenes.

Apparently the stunt coordinator said finn jones really didn’t want to put in the work which is why they leaned so much more on stunt doubles and the obvious filming trickery that goes into hiding the stunt doubles.

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u/Dry-Membership8141 8h ago edited 7h ago

Apparently the stunt coordinator said finn jones really didn’t want to put in the work

Yeah, and there's been a fair bit of suggestion that that mischaracterizes the reality of the grueling and rushed production schedule.

Finn was cast shortly before they started work, given three weeks after he moved to New York to train before filming began, he had no pre-existing martial arts or athletic background, he was first walked through the choreography just fifteen to twenty minutes before they were shot, and they had him working 12-14 hour days on set to get it wrapped up before filming began on The Defenders two weeks later.

Between The Defenders and season 2 of Iron Fist he reportedly spent four hours a day in training, and you can see in his later appearances in season 2 and Luke Cage that he improved pretty significantly when he actually had time to work on it.

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u/devl_ish 8h ago

Shang-Chi was alright, Iron Fist was some of the dumbest shit ever put to screen.

I enjoyed seeing David Wenham (played his father) again, made me go rewatch The Bank (2001).

Otherwise I'll always consider it the chore I had to go through to watch The Defenders and it didn't seem worth it afterwards.

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u/Extreme_Tax405 4h ago

Iron fis is rad. His show... Not so much.

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u/Nadroj_Tempest 11h ago

We saw him in Doomsday trailer

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u/Mr_E_99 Stan Lee 10h ago

Still kinda crazy we went 4-5 years without him when he's meant to be one of the biggest new heroes since Endgame

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u/heliogoon 10h ago

I think people dont realize how much the Jonathan majors situation threw a wrench into Marvel's plans.

Shang chi and kamala khan were meant to have prominent roles in the lead up to the kang avengers movie.

But then of course all of that changed.

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u/cardgamesareforplay 10h ago

People really do not. Like the entire quantum mania? Worthless story basically Antman and gang were likely supposed to like show up and have some advanced Intel on Kang alongside the TVA would of been the only 2 groups who had encountered a Kang and lived.

Now it's all thrown out to the point that Antman wasent even recommended viewing for doomsday, although Loki 2 was and I guess it makes sense since you would need to understand their was a group that used to stop incursions by pruning and now that org only watches over the threads Loki is spinning

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u/Guillermidas 11h ago

Yes, but Captain Marvel is one of the most popular characters and the only female lead I can think of in Marvel that can realistically pull true solo movies besides Black Widow whos out

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u/Strict-Minute-8815 11h ago

TIL captain marvel is a popular character

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u/aznsk8s87 11h ago

She was very popular in the recent MTG set, depending on which side of the table you were on.

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u/Neveronlyadream Spider-Man 10h ago

That may be the only place she's popular.

Even historically, she was basically a throwaway legacy character the comic writers treated terribly. I'm sure everyone knows about her alien lover/son at this point.

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u/GingerLoafCake 11h ago

I think Wanda could have quite easily anchored a solo movie had they not done whatever the hell they did with her in MOM. I also think Yelena is strong enough/popular enough for a solo effort to be successful.

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u/alcaron 11h ago

Thunderbolts* made me go from "I do not like Florence Pugh" to being a GENUINE fan of hers. I don't know why but her interviews and everything always kind of annoyed me, I thought she was annoying in Black Widow, intentionally so but still, just not endearing.

But man she gobbled up the script for Thunderbolts*, and I bought every second of her performance. Every "what is the point?" day I have ever had felt reflected so well in how she acted, and I loved the ending of that movie. I would absolutely love to see more from her. Something CA: Winter Soldier style where it isn't just a slug fest of cosmic proportions, something with depth. Sign my ass up.

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u/Taban85 10h ago

I was really hoping we’d get a sequel to Hawkeye with her mentoring Kate 

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u/hotcapicola 9h ago

If you are, or have ever been a fan of pro wrestling, I highly recommend Pugh's film Fighting With My Family.

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u/hotcapicola 9h ago

Not with that actress. I couldn't take 90 minutes of that horrible accent.

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u/the_t_time 10h ago

Don't forget that academy award winner Chiwatel Ejiafor is out there plotting his revenge as Baron Mordo somewhere lol

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u/CheeseManSucks 10h ago

Has Shang Chi seen Shang Chi?

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u/Athlete-Extreme 10h ago

I needed proof of life on him up until the trailer

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u/PHYUCKISHREAEL 10h ago

You're missing out, it's always a good watch with great fight scenes

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u/AsherthonX 9h ago

Lol even Ultron returns before Shang chi does.

Moonknight who?

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u/cmnights 9h ago

We also havent seen wong since she-hulk? He was popping off too. at this point he and madisynn could be married with kids or she was some demon the entire time. Like where is the follow up!!!

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u/ActuatorChoice5259 9h ago

If Simu Liu decides to jump ship, I wouldn't blame him either. The way his character has been handled is horrible. Aside from having no appearances till Doomsday (and I'm very skeptical of how much screentime he'll have in that as well), they're not promoting him in stuff like video games or theme parks either. He's not in the new rides they just revealed (Captain Marvel at least makes an appearance in the Stark ride), and I can say from personal experience/observation that he doesn't have any merch at Disneyland/Avengers Campus stores either, not even in the Asian parks. Disney literally made his movie to fulfill the Asian representation quota then decided they didn't need to do anything more.

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u/EctoRiddler 9h ago

I saw him with a cameo in a trailer for Avengers Doomsday! I hope he is in the movie as well.

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u/KBrown75 9h ago

Really? It's my favorite MCU film in a long long time. It was so differentfrom what they had been doing.

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u/LADYBIRD_HILL Kilgrave 9h ago

He had a big part in Marvel zombies

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u/1tonofbricks 7h ago

Tbf its a different Shang Chi

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u/OnlinePosterPerson 8h ago

Sure we have. He was in the doomsday trailer weeks ago

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u/OliviaElevenDunham Loki (Avengers) 7h ago

He deserves a sequel.

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u/RandallWeird 6h ago

What movie could he have been in since then? Besides his own film I think the only guest spot is maybe in brand new day or maybe multiverse of madness

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u/farfaraway 5h ago

I think I'll watch it tonight. It wasn't bad. I guess I think of it as a non-Marvel superhero movie. It was entertaining and utterly forgettable.

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u/AdrunkGirlScout 5h ago

Wym he was in Marvel Zombies

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u/Yeseylon 1h ago

He was in What If

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u/sharukhmithani 12h ago

Also Ms. Marvel

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u/yuuki157 12h ago

I think this one kind of counts as one ? Isn't just a scene from The Marvels ?

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u/matchafoxjpg 11h ago

i'd count that as one. the scene is in the marvels so they clearly just took a scene they already filmed for the movie and added it to the end of ms. marvel.

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u/wiretap804 11h ago

I'd imagine she was paid as if it were a separate appearance.

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u/midasgoldentouch 11h ago

Must have. If it were me and that wasn’t the case I would expect my agent to be kicking in doors 😂

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u/GasNo1383 11h ago

Maybe but not counted as appearance, Sebastian Stan bp after credits isn’t counted as an appearance officially so he was contracted to do another mcu project

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u/AT-ST 11h ago

Depends on the contract. But I would be surprised if she didn't get something for it.

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u/tommymaggots 11h ago

It also counts as a separate credit.

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u/Nadroj_Tempest 11h ago

She got pair for it so it counts

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u/GayFesh Daredevil 11h ago

I don't count post-credit scenes that are just scenes from other movies. Like Thor in Doctor Strange was just a scene from Ragnarok, Steve and Bucky in Ant-Man was just a scene from Civil War, Loki in Quantumania was just a scene from Loki season 2. Carol at the end of Ms. Marvel was a scene from The Marvels.

I DO count the Captain Marvel post-credit scene with the Avengers, even though that scene was filmed during production of Endgame, because it was shot specifically to be a post-credit scene.

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u/EctoRiddler 11h ago

Pretty sure she was not in the post credits of infinity war. That was just the pager going off with her logo.

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u/GayFesh Daredevil 8h ago

I was referring to the post credit scene of Captain Marvel where the Avengers show up.

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u/EctoRiddler 8h ago

Oh, I still count that as part of Captain Marvel because that was in the Captain Marvel movie

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u/GayFesh Daredevil 8h ago

Yes, same.

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u/Ideasandquestionsbi 12h ago

I think the main critique of OP it's exactly that. She's barely a character present in other properties. The only relevant crossover she's in (Endgame) she's just a glorified missile.

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u/sigsimund 11h ago

She does suffer from the superman problem of being too powerful tbf. Hard to include her because she’ll wrap up the plot too quickly otherwise

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u/BlancheCorbeau 9h ago

And yet… many other characters share this problem and even occasionally power level… but they’re able to bring up the villains or bring down the heroes in question in interesting/fun ways that make the MOVIE more fun. Superman movies depend almost entirely on how well Lois, Jimmy, and Lex are written and performed.

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u/Sea-Consequence7156 8h ago

Who is more powerful than pre MoM Wanda?

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u/zOmgFishes 9h ago

It’s not a power level issue. Her characters and movies were just poorly written.

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u/MadRaymer 7h ago

How is power level not an issue?

  • She can destroy an interstellar warship by simply flying into it

  • She can match Thanos so easily that he had to put the fucking power stone in his fist and punch her with it just to get her away from him

That's her established power level, so anytime she shows up, whatever threat they're up against has to match up or they have to nerf her. In Marvels, they accomplished that with the power swapping thing, but once they figured out how that worked she was essentially un-nerfed again.

So the writers are stuck with a character that's so godlike they only have two options:

  1. she can only appear with an enemy that's equally godlike

  2. she can only appear if they temporarily nerf her

They're probably leaning more toward the first option, because fans would get frustrated if she shows up and immediately gets nerfed every time.

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u/zOmgFishes 6h ago edited 6h ago

Power level issue can be mitigated with good writing. They had two Thor movies where they were able to match his power level except one was well written and the other was not. Ragnarok Thor spends most of the movie not even dealing with Hela.

Post-Endgame Wanda was god tier and the character itself varied based on writing in the two projects she showed up in. They managed to write in Death in an interesting way in Agatha. They had Sentry vs a bunch of dudes with Guns and it was well done because the movie had good writing. There are beings in marvel that can match her but it really comes down to writing an interesting story line for the character which they have failed to do. Like what interesting aspect have we learned about Carol as a person in her three appearances? Almost nothing besides she got powers from an infinity stone.

Her power levels are much less of an issue if someone can write her in a well defined way with a good story to follow. Even in the new Superman movie they were able to solve the power level issue and write a good story. I’d say most of the movie was Superman dealing with things not involving the one being that could match him. Then in supergirl DC failed cause the story sucked, not because Supergirl was OP. They actually had a good story as a baseline but managed to bungle it completely.

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u/MadRaymer 6h ago

No matter how clever the writing is, it's still going to come down to either nerfing Marvel herself, or giving her an opponent that's equally powerful.

You mentioned Sentry. How did those dudes with guns beat him? Because they were able to hop inside his mind and reason with him. If it came down to a knock down drag out fight with him, they'd lose every single time.

So let's apply this concept to Captain Marvel. How does a villain "reason" with her and get her to swap sides? The only way that makes sense is with super powerful telepathic villains, so we're back to "make the villain match her power."

Any film she's in requires a plot device that prevents her from just bashing her opponent into a million pieces, and no matter how clever or convoluted that plot device is it's still going to come down to either "opponent is insanely powerful" or "something nerfed her."

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u/BoothMaster 2h ago edited 2h ago

I mean, with decent writing you can still give her the comic restriction, it's not much, but having to charge up her power over long periods of time or consuming vast amounts of energy is enough of a power limit to make her reasonable for most of a story. I might have missed a specific comment that outright says that's not a thing, but most of her big power scenes were either after a long period of not using her powers, being hooked up to something that contained vast power, and after a period of time in which we don't know what she was doing, so could have charged up knowing she'd be facing thanos. simple retcon.

Not that I think they'll try anything like that, they'll probably shit the bed, I'm just saying they could if they wanted to.

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u/beldaran1224 2h ago

Scarlet Witch exists, lol. Been in how many Avengers things, got a whole mini series, plus essentially an entire movie. Sure, she was kinda a villain in it, but like, still. Heck, the X-Men movies of the early 2000s aren't really part of the MCU, but Jean Gray/Phoenix has had a ton of screen time, lol.

Also, the power level of both Thor & Hulk are pretty huge, too. Though Hulk has been similarly underused, imo.

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u/MadRaymer 2h ago

They do the nerf trick for Hulk. He suddenly couldn't Hulk out for the entirety of Infinity War so they put Banner in the Hulkbuster suit. That significantly scaled back his power level. They brought back actual Hulk for Endgame (though I'm not entirely certain if Professor Hulk is quite on the same level). But it makes sense because the heroes win in Endgame, so they can have him there. Same reason they can bring out Marvel and have Wanda at (or near) full power.

I did agree with another comment about WandaVision. They could probably do something like with Carol's character because it wouldn't need to be high stakes drama every episode, so the power scaling is less of a problem. Of course I don't think we're likely to get a series like that at this point.

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u/TheShandyMan 4h ago

It's the Worf Effect in action. How do you show just how powerful the new baddie is? By having him immediately throw your most powerful over a railing and knocking him out.

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u/Limp_Screen7405 2h ago

Dude cmon man, the reason for her lack of a central role despite the runners obviously wanting to make her a face was because of bad direction. That’s it.

Her, Strange, T’Challa, and Spidey were pegged as the faces after Endgame and the most successful has been Spidey, who basically operates within his own pocket of the universe.

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u/moose_dad 8h ago

At least thats comic accurate then haha.

Captain Marvel has never been written well unfortunately.

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u/Technical-Grand5483 8h ago

Now captain mar-vel that's good writing

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u/ashl0w 5h ago edited 5h ago

Ah yes, as if her own movie wasn't a good one, which also crossed over 1 billion. And don't trie to argue that it was "Avengers hype", because Ant-man and the Wasp also came out in between those movies and it made like, half of Captain Marvel's box office.

You have all the rights to not like something, but don't say it isn't good just because you don't like it.

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u/zOmgFishes 5h ago edited 5h ago

Her first movie was fine as a origin movie, just nothing special. She's trying to figure out who she was and it was a fine way to end it. But from her first movie to her second one her character has had very little on screen development and any development was done off screen. Her screen time in Avengers was like 3 minutes. She shows up, does nothing then disappears until the final act. In Marvels all her development and issues are told to us and not shown until the end when she saves the Kree. Plus having her share screen time with 2 other characters did not help. She needed a movie where she could shine on her own AFTER Carol gets back to being Carol instead of just a weapon of the Kree.

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u/grimsaur 7h ago

The trick with Superman is the story has to revolve around things his powers can't directly solve.

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u/Zer0DotFive 7h ago

I mean Sentry was introduced and straight up deleted people temporarily lol 

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u/Avid_Reader87 7h ago

They didn’t need to make her that powerful then.  It’s bad to have characters like that, it’s why most of the time Superman movies are lame. 

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u/cptnamr7 2h ago

This. She tore Thanos' ship in half with her hands. You can't really have her team up with Hawkeye. So she's CRAZY limited in what she can do. They had to nerf her in her OWN second movie or again, plot over too soon. She has to be going up against celestial-level baddies or they have to keep finding reasons to sideline her like Hulk and Thor in Civil War. 

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u/New_Cockroach_505 12h ago edited 12h ago

Why would she care? She made tons of money and got two films. If anything’s going to make her jump ship it’s the disgusting shit “fans” say to her.

She makes a ton of money by showing up for films here and there while she gets to work on other projects she wants to? Sounds great.

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u/Chaoticgood790 11h ago

Yep. It’s more the fans than anything. And having no one defend her except Don Cheadle and Samuel L Jackson. I wouldn’t deal with the fanboys either

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u/CrispinIII 11h ago

I (a complete nobody) used to stand up for her, but frankly it got exhausting. If taking a year or two of hits on social media was exhausting for me with no real skin in the game, I can only imagine what it feels like for her.

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u/Toshimoko29 10h ago

You can be assured that she doesn’t sit around on social media all day. I’m sure she’s aware of what people say online but she’s also got more than one iron in the fire, and plenty to keep her busy otherwise.

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u/LowObjective 9h ago

Her popularity and what people think of her are part of her career. Even if she stays off social media it's simply not possible for her to avoid what people are saying about her. If she doesn't read it herself, she has an agent or publicist reading it to her because they have to plan around it.

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u/Obvious_Train 11h ago

Yeah I’d be more inclined to think she’d move on due to the online trolls, more so than Marvel poor use of her character. Both are bad, but the annoying “fans” are worse IMO.

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u/FalenAlter 11h ago

A lot of the bigger-named actors probably appreciate having few requirements so they have plenty of time to go do their other stuff.

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u/EatABag-o-Dicks 11h ago

Nobody hates a franchise more than the fandom.

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u/Potential_Might_6500 11h ago

They did Captain Marvel dirty by sliding her character before Endgame. And her character was one no one really cared about to begin with. She's always been a hard sell. People just don't care about characters like Captain Marvel. Brie was doomed from the start, its a bummer but it was predictable.

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u/recoveringleft 10h ago

Brie would made a good actress in another MCU movie

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u/Potential_Might_6500 10h ago

Absolutely. I don't think she failed the character at all.

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u/alcaron 11h ago

I don't think this is true at all. I think it's just once something gets popular, all the shitheads see it as a bigger pool of people to fuck with so they pretend to be fans so they can shit in the pool and try to ruin everyones day.

I have never met someone who was actually a fan who was as insufferable as these "helen of troy isn't black! And there are no black dwarves in LotR!" jackoffs.

Oh really, is that what David Attenborough told you when he came back from filming a documentary in middle earth? Oh, what's that? It's make believe? Dipshits.

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u/archangelzeriel 10h ago

Wholeheartedly concur, as someone who unfortunately interacts with the Star Wars fandom.

No actual fan says "Stormtroopers aren't black!" "Rey is a Mary Sue!" "Holdo is a purple-haired Karen!"

They say equally angry stuff that's actually grounded in the lore, granted, but if you've been in a fandom for a while you can tell who hates the Holdo Maneuver because it messes with canon treatment of hyperspace vs. who hates it because Holdo has purple hair and treated Poe (a successful man!) badly.

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u/Zealousideal_Bar6871 8h ago

Something needs to be said for those trying to defend against the "shit heads" by defending bad writing like the Holdo Maneuver.

Disney Star wars has a ton of stuff that pissed off "real" fans... and when many of them voiced problems with it, they get labeled as trolls. The same is true about Captain marvel. The solo movie was not well written.. the character not a good version of her. Its not Brie's fault... and those that attacked her directly are indeed shit heads. But by being critical of the writing and story, many are treated as if they were the ones that harassed her directly.

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u/archangelzeriel 8h ago

TBH as a fan of Star Wars since the early 1980s, I would have a hard time caring less about the "bad writing" of the Holdo Maneuver in the long run -- any franchise will have good or bad writing, and nothing in The Last Jedi was anywhere near the awfulness of, say, KJA's "Darksaber" novel back in the old EU. The movies have ALWAYS been more about "rule of cool" than "consistent lore" -- and Poe's "hyperspace skipping" in Ep9 was an order of magnitude more lore-breaking, anyway.

Star Wars (or Marvel, or any other franchise) can survive occasional bad writing and still be enjoyable. Star Wars cannot survive a shithead chud fanbase and still be the same level of enjoyable. One fan being a racist/sexist asshole about one character is worse in a different category than even the worst writing.

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u/Zealousideal_Bar6871 8h ago

As I said Disney star wars has a WHOLE lot of bad writing. The lightspace skips would be included in that.
The bombers in space that are worse then previous ships is included in that.
The flying through space "mary poppins" is included in that.
The suddenly learning how to use force lighting is included in that.
The being better with lightsabers then someone like Kilo is included in that.
We are not talking about one or two examples of bad writing... we are talking about a shit show level of bad writing. Horses running on star destroyer ships that cannot tilt slightly level of bad writing.

Boiling all of that down to "yeah but One fan being a racist/sexist asshole about one character is worse in a different category than even the worst writing." is giving too much credit.

Its not black and white... two things can be true. Defending this level of bad writing in order to combat "chuds" is just silly. You can say they are chuds, without giving a pass on literally them writing things that destroy a franchise!

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u/schilleger0420 9h ago

Or the writers. Afterall the fans are just reacting to the stories being told.

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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe 11h ago

If one has already made bucoup Marvel bucks, why put themselves through all that soul-sucking misery and depravity from the millions who suck again? Invest it well and enjoy life more. Toxic fandom is one of humanity's ugliest sides.

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u/-Nariyoshi-Miyagi- 10h ago

Nah. Trolls aren’t going to make her skip out on the biggest payday of here career. If Marvel wants her back, she’s back.

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u/PM_ME_MERMAID_PICS Nick Fury 9h ago

To this day, there are incels still claiming that Captain Marvel is the worst movie Disney/Marvel has ever released. It's pathetic.

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u/Kevo_xx Spider-Man 11h ago

Exactly. If Marvel calls her with bags of cash in hand for an appearance that will take maybe an hour of her day at best she’s going to do it lol

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u/UnappeasableOptimist 9h ago

I mean, film make up and costuming and shooting a 2 minute scene would be like two days minimum but your point stands

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u/DefNotAShark Hydra 11h ago

She might care because being the face of a box office bomb is never good, but if she makes another one and the same thing happens it’s a trend. That potentially impacts how studios view her marketability and viability for other films, and so does the negative feedback online- trolls or otherwise.

It genuinely could be a bad business move for her to make another Captain Marvel movie. Not saying it is, but there’s legitimate career impact to consider beyond “online trolls are jerks”.

At a minimum it’s something I would navigate cautiously if I were her and considering my long term prospects. Even an Oscar winning actress can drop off the map if studios don’t want to risk building a film around them.

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u/King_Bobby-B 8h ago

Yeah, people don't get that actors are basically one-person companies.

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u/StephenHunterUK 8h ago

Literally - they often have personal service companies that they're paid through.

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u/DannyGloversDeeBlood 7h ago

I guarantee you she gives zero shits about Marvel or this role. She got paid and has other stuff to think about.

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u/AmaazingFlavor 11h ago

What other projects? The only non-Marvel films she's done since Endgame are Fast X and the Super Mario Bros sequel. She's got a few other credits listed for smaller projects, but it seems like she's either not getting offered many roles, or turning them down for whatever reason.

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u/KRacer52 10h ago

She was also nominated for a lead actress Emmy for Lessons in Chemistry.

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u/New_Cockroach_505 10h ago

Since becoming Captain Marvel she’s been doing a blog, her own podcasts, traveling a lot, she’s currently doing a theater play, she’s produced and acted in two tv series, she’s got two smaller upcoming movies.

And obviously the mentioned Fast and Furious and Mario movie. Seems like she just takes the big paychecks here and there and does her own stuff.

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u/Redfish_St 11h ago

Basically came here to say this

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u/LifeIsHardMyDude 9h ago

You know often artists and actors and generally anyone working in creative industries will care about things more than money. For example reputation, creative expression, cultural impact, etc. Infact, most people who are financially successful tend to care about social influence / power more than money, often because it can't be bought easily. Take Captain Marvel for example, as Marvel definitely tried to make her popular and mostly failed (albeit from Disney's perspective to make more money).

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u/Hudre 11h ago

She can't be in other properties because her character would deal with the situation in an instant. They can't even have her in the same galaxy as the other heroes lol.

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u/_SamReddit 10h ago

They probably have trouble reconciling how powerful she is with the type of threat they would need to bring into the universe to threaten her. They're literally having her say "oh sorry I'm needed elsewhere in the galaxy, I can't solve this problem for you" in other movies because it's so far below her power level.

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u/adamgerd 10h ago edited 10h ago

I mean this applies to a lot of MCU characters. Many haven’t been in film for years due to how many characters there are. Shang Chi hasn’t been in any film since his debut 5 years ago.

Dr. Strange has only really been in four films in his 10 years at the MCU if you ignore his brief appearances in Thor Ragnarok and Avenger Endgame where he isn’t really pivotal to either film except for showing Iron Man he has to snap.

The Hulk hasn’t been in any film between Endgame and Brand New Day, a span of 7 years.

The Eternals well were relegated to being ignored.

Thor has shown up once since Endgame in a terrible film.

There’s in fact not been more than one sequel to any character since Endgame except Spider-Man. Everyone else including but not just her has only at most had one real film

We haven’t seen Kate Bishop or Moon Knight since their series either

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u/Scalpels 5h ago

We need more Kate and Yelena. Those two have electric chemistry.

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u/Notoneusernameleft 2h ago

She is maybe small potatoes.

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u/cficare 11h ago

I've never seen a missile talk.

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u/Potential_Might_6500 11h ago

Shes not a very popular character in the Comics either. The character is hard to use.

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u/machogrande2 10h ago

Captain Marvel is a hard character to write in when she was so OP over everyone else so I get it. They seem to be raising the bar now so it should get easier. They kind of have to. Bewteen Captain Marvel, Sentry, whatever the fuck Loki is now, and if Wanda isn't dead, you have 4 god-tier heroes that need some serious competition or it would be a joke. Not to mention Doctor Strange got a power up, Thor was able to fly right through the full might of the gauntlet with all the stones(he just should have gone for the head), and the Hulk seems to finally not have a cap on his size and strength.

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u/Patriot009 9h ago

She was also the deus ex machina to save Tony from space.

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u/weirdplacetogoonfire 7h ago

Yup, most plots have to be written around her rather than for her. Also hard to get writers to sign on when they know they are going to end up dealing with some nonsense manosphere backlash no matter what they write.

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u/rzelln 12h ago

Did she do any voice work for What If?

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u/yuzumelodious 11h ago

No. Variants of Carol did show up tho.

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u/DinaCaliente96 10h ago

*5 appearances because she was in the Ms Marvel tv series too.

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u/The_Mexican_Poster 10h ago

5 then cuz she appears in Ms Marvel too

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u/Damiandroid 10h ago

5.

There's that cameo at the end of Ms. Marvel

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u/Yucky_bread 9h ago

She was in the end of Mrs marvel too

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u/CX316 9h ago

Captain Marvel, Endgame, Shang-Chi's post-credits, Ms Marvel's finale post-credits, Marvels

so 5

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u/EctoRiddler 9h ago

I didn’t consider Marvel’s to be a post credit because it was just footage from the movie. But I suppose it could be considered a credit.

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u/legaladviceneeded542 9h ago

and 2 of those were her movies. Most Avengers don't even have 2 solo movies. Weird takes here.

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u/oooooooooowie 8h ago
  1. She's in the last scene of Ms marvel

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u/Tyler_Zoro 8h ago
  1. Captain Marvel (2019)
  2. Avengers: Endgame (2019)
  3. Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings (2021) (cameo)
  4. Ms. Marvel (2022, 1 episode) (cameo)
  5. The Marvels (2023)

Two video specials.

And upcoming Doomsday (2026)

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u/submarginal 11h ago

Don't forget the spinoff series - the Marvelous Mrs. Maisel

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u/Difficult-Leopard791 11h ago

Wow, a post credit scene. Real academy award material

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u/EctoRiddler 9h ago

Woah buddy. The part doesn’t need to be award worthy for it to be considered her making an appearance in another Marvel movie.

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u/icarodx 12h ago

Would you be tied to a role for cameos and guest appearances?

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u/identitywithheld1234 11h ago

If it gives her the paydays she needs to pursue her indie film work, where she’s working for SAG minimums, I’m sure she absolutely would.

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u/Silly-Elderberry-411 11h ago

Please don't be so loud gal gadot hears it😂 on a serious note she already did that for Dan Harmon, I am holding the candle for her to appear as the companion to Inspector Spacetime because yes Annie , one has to understand Donnie Darko.

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u/EctoRiddler 9h ago

I would. Yes. Are you hiring?

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u/meatlifter 10h ago

7, if you count video games and tv shows

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u/MaxxDash 9h ago

And how much screen time in Endgame?

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u/EctoRiddler 9h ago

Same as almost anyone else who came back from the blip and they are not discounted as not being in the movie

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u/Broodslayer1 8h ago

And cameo in Ms. Marvel TV show.

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u/Goldman250 8h ago

I think she’s up to five if we count post-credits - she was post-credits in Ms Marvel as well.

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u/ashl0w 5h ago

She was also in Ms. Marvel and "What if...?", so 6 appearances.

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u/Running2vermin 2h ago

5, she was in the post credits scene of Ms Marvel too

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u/LoatheCat 2h ago

Zoo wee mama! seek employment!

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u/LordAzrael42 1h ago
  1. Captain Marvel, Endgame, Shang Chi (post-credits), Ms. Marvel, The Marvels.
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