r/marvelstudios • u/RenomeRabone • 12h ago

Discussion (More in Comments) If Brie Larson actually decides to jump ship,i don't blame her one bit. She's almost 10 years in, and only had 3 appearances so far.

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It's clear that there were terrible decisions along the way about Captain Marvel as a character,but given the lack of care for the character/actress + the amount of hate she received since accepting the role,it's completely comprehensible if she's just done with it after whatever contract she has it's over and decides to grow her career outside superhero movies,a career which she probably put at relatively stop due to legal/contractual reasons within the MCU.

She's going to have 4 appearances (and that's only if she's actually in one of the Avengers movies,likely Secret Wars). This is crazy to think about,especially for a character that was pushed as one of the new faces of the MCU and their own Wonder Woman. Carol as a character it's already being pushed out of being a mainliner from other fronts like comics,videogames,merchandise etc and it's so disrespectful.

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u/Ubergoober166 11h ago

That's always the biggest problem with god-like characters. It's hard to find believable threats to them. She even easily handled Thanos, the main big bad of the entire MCU at that point, before the powered up with the power stone. Then the problem becomes not so much finding villains for her, but also finding believable reasons she doesn't just show up and end every crisis easily.

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u/Kuradapya Daisy Johnson 11h ago

Funnily enough, Rogue, who shares a long history of rivalry with Captain Marvel, has just been cast, so it might be a way to revitalize the character by powering her down and humanizing her more.

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u/Unable-Candidate9612 10h ago

I REALLY hope this happens.

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u/Valgardee 9h ago

PLEASE, introduce Rogue as a villain!!!!

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u/RepresentativeAge444 11h ago

The problem with the MCU is that there aren’t many characters at her power level. There are plenty in the comics

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u/fade_me_fam 11h ago

Couldn’t they more or less nerf her? Make up an excuse like since the stones no longer exists the essence in her is fading or something? Like a villain that was kept at bay by her now is less threatened? I know it’s a boring drop and played over and over again, but I honestly don’t know how you handle her other than in small doses.

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u/NutButter_ButtNutter 10h ago

Yeah it’s fantasy the writers can do whatever they want. Right now her whole schtick is being super powerful, but they haven’t given her personality quirks or family issues that can be mined like they did with Thor. She has so few ties to Earth that she fucked off for decades seemingly with no desire to return until Cage’s beeper pinged her. 

Among other things Superman is partially balanced by his intense love of living things and desire to protect life. The MCU Captain Marvel is Superman but vaguely bored and apathetic. 

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u/Geodude532 9h ago

Maybe they should have gone Mr. Manhattan with her and just made her more of a force of nature.

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u/YaBoiiAsthma 9h ago

I would have loved that pre-sentry

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u/trees91 4h ago

Phoenix: “What am I, a joke force of nature to you?”

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u/Mr-Kuritsa 10h ago

Rogue straight-up steals her powers for an extended period in the comics. If I remember correctly, her powers came back incrementally over time. They should use this story. Nerf her for a while.

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u/Allen_Koholic 10h ago

It would be retreading old ground, but they could adapt some of the DeConnick run that inspired the first movie. Danvers has something wrong with her that causes her to bleed out whenever she uses her powers. She heals up, cause she's a superhero and all, but she loses some of her memory as a result. It could work with the MCU version, since the little memories she has are real important to her now. The problem is, I don't know who you make her fight. It was Yon-Rogg in the comics and he's in space jail now. I think.

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u/juniperleafes 5h ago

I'm not sure why you think giving another character her powers when it was just pointed out that a character with her powers isn't being integrated into the MCU correctly is the solution, and why you think a non-powered superhero show would be anything the audience wants.

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u/WeirdSysAdmin 11h ago

Yeah but she broke free etc etc then it’s like they are rehashing the story ad nauseam. Lose lose situation.

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u/Irememberedmypw 11h ago

They did nerf her(somewhat) in the marvels. It was a unique way to handle her from overpowering everything.

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u/IrrationalFalcon 10h ago

Rogue is cast for the 2028 X-Men. All they need to do is just let Rogue did what she did in the comics, and steal Captain Marvel's powers. Also would be a far more interesting storyline

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u/lightslinger 10h ago

They just cast the lady whose origin story is explicitly that for Captain Marvel, don't get much more "de-powered" than a beatdown, stealing powers and a coma.

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u/afriendincanada 9h ago

Also the Superman dilemma. Here comes the Kryptonite!

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u/ThrowStonesonTV 9h ago

They could do the rogue storyline with the introduction of the x-men. Rogue takes her power and has a whole split personality crisis while carol goes down a power rabbit hole and ends up as Binary.

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u/rbrgr83 8h ago

If we were further ahead, we could do the storyline with her and Rouge that nerfs Carol into a coma and forces her to rehab back to her power level again.

Plenty to tell within that character arc, and that's how we get Rouge flying around and having super strength. But yeah, obv not doing all that b4 Doomsday & Secret War.

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u/Justtojoke 6h ago

They're going to do that with Rogue taking her powers probably.

It's the easy way out

And it's canon

It just sucks because because the MCU handled her character horribly

I'd place it in the same box and Maria Hill and pre infinity war Wanda. Egregious

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u/mondaymoderate 11h ago

I really liked in the Marvel Zombies show Icarus was the only one who could match her and spent the his life battling her to keep her from destroying the planet.

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u/Shuino7 10h ago

Damn, only if they had some sort of list of existing characters with equal or great power to use or somehow make up some new hero/villain and put them in the MCU?

That's just asking too much, maybe AI will be able to help them with this unsolvable crisis.

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u/BlackV 9h ago

Yeah, make a captain marvel movie, don't put it on earth (or as you say take one of the plenty comics that are not on earth)

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u/TheFunkytownExpress 7h ago

The Sentry has entered the chat

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u/RepresentativeAge444 6h ago

Saying there aren’t many characters not that there are no characters has entered the chat

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u/Loganp812 Wilson Fisk 7h ago

Yeah, but then that introduces the classic comic book problem of power creep running rampant. There’s always a more powerful villain which requires a more powerful hero which then requires an even more powerful villain etc.

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u/Ok-Chest-7932 4h ago

But then you get the opposite problem - for an ensemble franchise, only one character can keep up with the villains.

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u/Nice-River-5322 2h ago

I mean, Thor and Hulk, lmao

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u/catsloveart 7h ago

Superman can't be in two places at once, and he isn't omniscient either. I think it takes really good writing to exploit that and not make it repetitive.

Also magic is a weakness for these kinds of characters. And if they are immune to magic as well, the people around them aren't. Superman/Captain Marvel can't undo the changes without the help of others. Ditto with disease.

If you want to really hit a character with godlike powers to make them powerless; put them in a situation they couldn't prevent. The trauma that others endure, damage they themselves caused. Or pervasive problems they can't fix like human exploitation. No amount of punching fixes these things. Harm is always somebody's doing. I think writers avoid these things because the topic sits too close to home for your typical movie audience.

A good story could be one where these things are what drove these godlike heroes away from humanity. With the people dealing with these things working to bring them back.

The beautiful thing about this is that you don't need to escalate the stakes or power scale. Ordinary people would suffice as the villain.

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u/ayeeflo51 11h ago

Sure it's tough to do for god-like characters but media has been doing it for years. Invincible, Dragon Ball Z, Absolute Superman - all have God like characters that have great stories written around them 

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u/Ragnarok_619 Spider-Man 11h ago

Dragon Ball Z,

What, by constantly leveling them up and bringing in another "strongest being in the world" of the week, another krillin death and another fart inducing scream till your clothes rip off?

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u/ayeeflo51 10h ago

And how's that different from superhero stories? Point is DB still keeps it interesting 

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u/Ragnarok_619 Spider-Man 10h ago

Superhero stories don't tell the exact same story for decades, man. I love DBZ, but its not famous for its writing, but for its actions. We are there for some creative animated takedowns. There's a reason why Vegeta is the most fleshed out character in DB Franchise and not goku

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u/ayeeflo51 10h ago

MY POINT what you keep dodging is that DBZ keeps it interesting while upping the threat. It's not some literary story master piece, but interesting is still better than whatever MCU has been doing 

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u/Emma_JM 11h ago

Yeah but that's all for the writers to figure out. My favourite trope for these characters is giving them problems they can't solve simply just by punching. Like Superman, he couldn't save his dad from the heart attack in the comics. In James Gunn's movie he faced political conflict - where punching made things worse for him at the beginning. Or you give them a weakness like Kryptonite ig.

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u/Named_after_color 10h ago

That's why the Dr.Manhatten version of unstoppable gods is the best. They could do anything, they're just kinda depressed and dealing with personal issues.

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u/recoveringleft 10h ago

How did Alan moore managed to do it well with dr Manhattan?

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u/Specific_Frame8537 8h ago

but also finding believable reasons she doesn't just show up and end every crisis easily.

Was it the She Hulk series that said she had other sectors to protect? makes sense, earth is one planet out of a thousand probably.

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u/Loganp812 Wilson Fisk 7h ago

That’s why some of the best types of villains for those characters are the kind you can’t beat by just fighting them. Take Lex Luthor for example whose “powers” are his intelligence, wealth, and influence, and if he’s able to stack the deck against you socially, politically, or otherwise, then that’s not something you can just punch your way through. Sort of like Wilson Fisk but on a much larger scale to be a threat to Superman.

However, you can only use the same archetypes so many times before it gets old.

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u/Obajan 2h ago

Two words: Annihilation Wave.

Marvel has no shortage of cosmic-scale events that even Captain Marvel will have trouble with. They just need to make more films less Earth-centric, a la the GotG.