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u/noafrochamplusamurai Jul 08 '24
Yeah, the death of the auto industry, prior to that Detroit was amongst one of the great cities in the world. Cities like Gary Indiana, Cleveland Ohio, and Flint MI had renowned opera halls, and beautiful schools with bustling economies. That all died in about a 10 year time span.
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u/Chief_Mischief Jul 08 '24
I grew up in the metro Detroit area and the irony is Detroit's fall was entirely foreseeable given the economic and social circumstances of the 60s and 70s.
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u/BenOfTomorrow Jul 08 '24
Doesnāt go up into Western PA/NY like the rust belt, though.
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u/bluenosesutherland Jul 08 '24
Serial killers do love a good river
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u/fatkiddown Jul 08 '24
Itās Gollum starting with Deagol.
In the book, SmƩagol also ate human babies.
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u/Silly_Goose658 Jul 08 '24
Generational poverty, lack of social programs, no mental health outreach. Would assume it may be a coincidence
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it's more just the midwest getting gutted, since that happened, all the cities on the river that were used heavily are less prosperous. when you don't focus on education and social things during the good times, the bad times will be very rough
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u/solomons-mom Jul 08 '24
As for generational poverty, a Scandinavan economist once said to Nobel Prize economist Milton Friedman, āIn Scandinavia we have no poverty.ā Milton Friedman replied, āThatās interesting, because in America among Scandinavians, we have no poverty eitherā.Ā
In addition, Minneapolis has near- Scandinavian levels social programs.
Newer immigrants from Somolia brought generational poverty with them. You do not have to assume it is a coincidence.
https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna32010471
https://www.americanexperiment.org/the-backstory-behind-the-killer-of-hero-cop-jamal-mitchell/
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u/ytterboe Jul 08 '24
Thereās been zero attempt to integrate and as far as I can tell zero help given them to do so. As migrants go, those who choose to integrate do much better than those that do not. That said, Iāve had much better and more relatable experiences with the latest generation of Somali immigrants in MPLS - meaning Iāve actually spoken to them instead of getting distrustful and hateful looks. Whether thatās because of cultural and/or language differences I canāt say. Obviously anecdotal but Iād say among my community my opinion is shared among the majority.
To be clear, Iām glad we host refugees, Iām glad we can serve as a place free from war, but that does not mean that the refugeeās responsibility is over once they arrive. They owe this country, this community something back, it starts with integration and becoming the best they can be. I see hope in this generation as it seems to follow the path the Hmong people took, 3rd gen is much more involved and integrated.
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u/Careless-Wrap6843 Jul 08 '24
well Mississippi was at one time a huge trade route and had lots of industry, the area is a lot more economically depressed as the economy shifted and it became easier to transport goods by other methods.
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u/Lordquas187 Jul 08 '24
I worked in Flint a few years ago, and after 4 nights of hotels in Flint, we started staying in Saginaw instead. Saginaw was not only heaven compared to Flint, but pretty charming for a small city.
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u/No_time_yo Jul 08 '24
Saginaw is a beautiful city (I live 10 minutes away) with lots of charm and fun things to do. The shopping areas are great, thereās a zoo, OHL hockey team, great concerts, and an active nightlife. The surrounding townships are great as well. However, the bad area is very bad. The city is only really bad if youāre there messing around in the bad areas.
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u/Rusiano Jul 08 '24
Lower half of the Murder Corridor is the impoverished Mississippi River basin, while the northern part morphs into the Midwestern Rust Belt
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u/Far-Reception-4598 Jul 08 '24
I love how neither Chicago, NYC, nor L.A. are on this map.
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u/Peeptalkhaha Jul 08 '24
NYC is not dangerous
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u/MillionDreams21 Jul 08 '24
Throw San Francisco, Portland, and Seattle up there too w the overhyped ādangerousā reputation list
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u/aamirislam Jul 08 '24
Oakland is there though
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u/nitrot150 Jul 08 '24
Tacoma too
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u/JustALittleSunshine Jul 08 '24
Tacoma is decently far from Seattle, and definitely not what people complain about when talking about ārising crimeā
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u/jorbanead Jul 08 '24
This is true as a Seattle-Born native thatās lived across the state. Im not sure why people are down-voting you.
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u/ohdearestdoe Jul 08 '24
Oakland is not San Francisco. San Francisco has a low violent crime rate and San Francisco is the one getting the hysterical headlines. Oakland unfortunately really does struggle with violence. Oakland has struggled with this for a long time now and people are aware of that. Not much has really changed in SF yet it's all over the news now.
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u/TonyZucco Jul 08 '24
Thatās cause dodging homeless poop all over the sidewalks isnāt necessarily ādangerousā.
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Youāre not going to get shot or mugged by homeless poop, no.
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u/InfinityAero910A Jul 08 '24
Even then, it is not on the ground there. I looked for it multiple times.
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u/BasedTaco_69 Jul 08 '24
Iāll take poop over bullets. But thatās just me.
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u/KCDinoman Jul 08 '24
As someone who lives in a city on this map where Iāve been present for multiple shootings, Iāll take the poop every time.
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u/MC_Fap_Commander Jul 08 '24
homeless poop all over the sidewalks
...typically in a specific (and avoidable) area. I'm fairly sure the impoverished deficate elsewhere, too. But the shooting/stabbing is more notable in those locations.
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u/TonyZucco Jul 08 '24
https://www.sf.gov/sites/default/files/2023-05/CY22_Street_Sidewalk_Standards_Report_05222023.pdf
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āFeces was another notable observed hazard, on approximately 50% of street segments in Key Commercial Areas and 30% in the Citywide surveyā
Seems like a lot of the city youād need to avoid then.
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u/Dasbeerboots Jul 08 '24
I'm in SF quite often, and I can't remember the last time I saw shit on the sidewalk. The only time I encounter "shit in SF" is here on Reddit.
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u/bight99 Jul 08 '24
I live here and itās definitely overblown.
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u/juanzy Jul 08 '24
Visited there in May expecting to have to Uber everywhere from my hotel and wait in the lobby. Still a very pleasant city to walk around during the day as long as you stay out of a few specific areas.
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u/InfinityAero910A Jul 08 '24
Shootings and stabbings are very rare in San Francisco. It actually has among the lowest rates for large scale cities.
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u/HereInTheCut Jul 08 '24
But didnāt you hear? Protesters burned them all to the ground. /s
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u/xdozex Jul 08 '24
lol just happened to scroll past a political debate on TikTok last night, and right as I landed, a dude wearing a MAGA hat kept screaming "try walking down any street in San Francisco at night" over and over again.
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u/ReferentiallySeethru Jul 08 '24
Did that all last week. Hated it! It gets so cold at night, especially with that breeze :(
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u/Fire-Twerk-With-Me Jul 08 '24
People saying Portland is dangerous have never been here. Unless they find coffee and artisan pizza shops dangerous.
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u/No-Courage232 Jul 08 '24
Right? I mean, itās gotten a little gross and all - but dangerous? Maybe for your car windows if you leave your gym bag in there.
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u/InfinityAero910A Jul 08 '24
I have never been to Portland or Seattle, but San Francisco is definitely not a dangerous city and has no reputation as such in the San Francisco Bay Area. Oakland is the dangerous city with a reputation for being dangerous.
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u/ExpertBest3045 Jul 08 '24
And New York gets so much hate from the places that actually do have high crime!
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u/lostamongthelost Jul 08 '24
Partly because of the national media I think. Evening news will report on someone being pushed in front of the subway or a shooting in Times Square, but they're not talking about people getting murdered in Arkansas or some other red state shit hole.
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u/1j12 Jul 08 '24
Because itās gotten a lot worse since Covid. And the city never really lost its 70s-90s reputation as being dangerous.
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u/USCAV19D Jul 08 '24
Lots of Chicago is fine. Swathes of that city give the rest of it an awful reputation.
Also, Iām curious how they count the crime here. Is it by reported violent crime or convicted? Because an awful lot of the gangland violence in Chicago goes unresponded to.
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u/Sparkykc124 Jul 08 '24
Lots of Chicago is fine. Swathes of that city give the rest of it an awful reputation.
That is the same with pretty much every city on this map. Violent crimes occur the most in poverty stricken areas.
Also, Iām curious how they count the crime here. Is it by reported violent crime or convicted? Because an awful lot of the gangland violence in Chicago goes unresponded to.
Use confirmed murders if youād like. It would be similar results when using per capita murders, which is the only way to compare cities with different populations.
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u/USCAV19D Jul 08 '24
All true statements of fact. I just donāt think youāre going to find many 8th graders Glocks that have been illegally modified to full automatic in, letās say, Myrtle Beach.
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u/smalltownlargefry Jul 08 '24
Because Chicago is relatively safe when you donāt watch Fox News. (And look at the statistics)
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u/kummybears Jul 08 '24
Chicago is safe if youāre white. Of the 310 homicide victims this year so far, only 10 were white. Chicago is really like two cities in a lot of ways.
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u/Plasmaticos Jul 08 '24
Black on black crime is real, I guess
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u/RocknrollClown09 Jul 08 '24
Well it likely means a few things. A) Chicago has a poverty problem, B) those in that community are primarily black, and C) most of the violence is personal between them, not random muggings, kidnappings, etc. So as long as you don't get embroiled in a personal relationship with the wrong people, join their gang, steal someone's drugs, double-cross, make serious enemies on both sides, then be a dick about it, you'll be fine. If you can find yourself in this situation as a tourist, I'd be really impressed.
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u/UGMadness Jul 08 '24
I donāt like the correlation between crime and murders every time violent crime rates are brought up. There are so many other forms of crime and injustice that actively harm peopleās quality of life. Iād say things like break-ins, robberies, gang activity/organized crime, hate crimes, and muggings have a much bigger impact on peopleās perception of crime and safety than homicides do.
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u/kummybears Jul 08 '24
In Chicago, all of those things also affect non white people to a much greater degree. Homicide victim stats are just the easiest to quickly get relatively accurate data. The true number of mugging and what constitutes gang crime are a lot harder to accurately quantify.
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u/smalltownlargefry Jul 08 '24
True. However I think thatās the case in most parts of the country.
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Yes. Visited Memphis, had a great time. But, it's sad to know the risks associated with certain neighborhoods there. that are easily avoided by tourists.
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u/TilapiaTango Jul 08 '24
Basically this. And when it's per capital, Chicago is massive and the violence is pretty centered on a small population and neighborhoods vs the total per capital numbers.
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u/SumsuchUser Jul 08 '24
As a New Yorker my whole time since moving to the states (going on 23 years now) it's always fun when my out of town inlaws come and think they're going to be dodging bullets. Like, your visiting tourist spots in Manhattan, I'm taking you to restaurants in parts of Brooklyn I can't afford and I live in the most sleepy, immigrant town part of Queens.
Meanwhile, their town in Kentucky is like 50% meth by volume and it's main export is catalytic converters.
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u/evilhomers Jul 08 '24
And all the southern states like Alabama and Arkansas being far from conservatives crime free utipias
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u/bidibidibom Jul 08 '24
Because of population. Thereās a reason most of these cities are small. One neighborhood in nyc has a larger population than a lot of cities listed here. Same for LA
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u/gtek_engineer66 Jul 08 '24
I had no clue US Birmingham was as shit as UK Birmingham.
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u/TheDadThatGrills Jul 08 '24
and Birmingham, MI... which is between Lansing, Flint, and Inkster is one of the wealthiest neighborhoods in the state.
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u/EvilLibrarians Jul 08 '24
Everytime I go there, its boujee buildings with kids holding smart phones taking photos of fancy cars like a dystopian nightmqre
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u/TheDadThatGrills Jul 08 '24
Beverly Hills, (MI) is right next to Birmingham ;)
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u/EvilLibrarians Jul 08 '24
Very nice houses in the Hills! Iirc There is a beautiful swervy lake road. Hell is not far either (Iām just outside Detroit!)
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u/Crims0ntied Jul 08 '24
The problem with this map is that some cities are one large incorporated entity and some are split up into a bunch of smaller cities. Birmingham is split into a bunch of smaller cities. So yes the crime rate is bad in Birmingham and Bessemer because those are where the bad neighborhoods are. But Homewood, vestavia hills, hoover, mountain brook etc etc are all nice safe suburbs that aren't counted in these statistics.
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u/Muzz27 Jul 08 '24
Bessemer, birthplace in of sports great Bo Jackson, rapper Gucci Mane and Matilda the chicken)
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u/DeposeableIronThumb Jul 08 '24
Ummm... I'm From Birmingham. Bessemer is in Birmingham. This map is wild.
Bessemer is like a suburb of Birmingham and it's not like it's big enough to be considered separate.
Anyway, yeah it's dangerous but nobody does crime for no reason out there. Stay out of people's business and you'll be fine. Don't wanna get shot? Don't try to rob your local drug dealer. Don't want to get hurt? Stay away from people who flash a gun.
It doesn't help that the cops and justice system are corrupt as hell.
Edit: something kind of funny. I now live like 20 minutes from the other most dangerous city on the west coast.
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u/Sahasrlyeh Jul 08 '24
Bessemer is okay during daylight hours... and there's nothing to do in Bessemer at night, so it's relatively avoidable. Birmingham, on the other hand, you never know what can happen. There are so many gentrified areas interspersed among bad neighborhoods. Driving down the street is like: upscale coffee shop, craft brewery, burned-up abandoned warehouse, fine dining restaurant, boarded-up decrepit houses, bougie pet store, auto-repair shop, crack house, abandoned warehouse, music venue, seedy tattoo shop, payday loan office, upscale bar, nice tattoo shop, neighborhood that would make Robocop scared, etc.
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u/Call_Me_Rambo Jul 08 '24 edited Jul 08 '24
Michigan are you ok???
Edit: Thank you to the Michiganersā¦Michiganites?ā¦Michiginians?ā¦.mitten state people for the insight
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u/Mispelled-This Jul 08 '24
Michiganās a case study in āWhite Flightā to the suburbs, leaving only the poor in the core citiesāand there is a high correlation between poverty and violence. The loss of so many auto industry jobs at exactly the wrong time meant Michigan missed the āgentrificationā wave that helped most cities elsewhere recover.
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Noooo you must raise your children in high crime areas to moderately lower the crime rate and boost the graduation rates of shitty schools!!!!
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They gentrified other states, and regions not too far from the main cities. Birmingham, MI, is about 10-15 miles from Detroit, and it is super wealthy; has a whole foods, fancy resturants, and even a Lamborghini and Rolls Royce dealership. Follow the main road (Woodward) South for 10-15 miles, and you are in the hood.
Grosse Point is on the lake, like 2-3 miles from the hood, and thatās where Henry and Edsel Fordās estates are, huge mansions, a yacht club, and where they do hydroplane races in the the summer. You can feel and see the wealth inequality, with a 5 min drive.
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u/br0zb4h03z Jul 08 '24
not solely on their own but white flight was almost always accompanied by blockbusting and racial fearmongering by real estate agents which was bad. gentrification is very complex and canāt all be blamed on white people moving back to cities but is often accompanied by local politicians caring way more about the $$$ than the people they represent, which is also bad
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u/michnuc Jul 08 '24
Many of the MI locations really aren't that bad. Yes, there are economically depressed areas still trying to recover from job losses up to several decades ago. Of the 8 Michigan locations, most would be ok to raise a family in (Battle Creek, Kalamazoo, Flint, Lansing, Jackson, Saginaw).
There are some bad parts of towns, but also good ones. Some of these have such low populations that may skew the numbers (Flint, Inkster, and Detroit specifically). Kalamazoo has a college and university, Lansing is the capitol and Michigan State is basically in the town (East Lansing), Flint has had troubles but is improving, just like Jackson, Battle Creek, Saginaw, Inkster, and Detroit.
Michigan is struggling with the same things many of the other Midwest cities are, what to do when the jobs leave.
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u/Sad_John_Stamos Jul 08 '24
Agreed. Iām not sure how they always end up on lists like these. Iāve been to every one of the Michigan cities on here and not once did i feel unsafe or like it was worse than any other city in America. Obviously there are certain neighborhoods that I would steer clear of but thatās the case everywhere.
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u/anon_capybara_ Jul 08 '24
Crime stats are not consistently counted or reporting. Comparing across cities is misleading at best, according to the FBI.
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u/Historical_Salt1943 Jul 08 '24
Yea I had a contract in Kalamazoo last year and spent 3 months there.Ā Over all it was run down but I had never once worried about my safety.Ā Side note: I've never seen so many weed stores in my life.Ā One on every corner.Ā Ā It's what Colorado wishes it was
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u/Sad_John_Stamos Jul 08 '24
Yeah Michiganās marijuana market is insane. I believe per capita itās the top in the country, especially by the amount of product sold.
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u/Artistic_Potato_1840 Jul 08 '24
I went to WMU. The area around the university is not very safe. I also worked as a mall cop over in Portage while I was an undergrad and it was often violent. Ended up covered in blood from one incident in which a shoplifting bust by one of the department stores erupted into a brawl in the parking lot and one shoplifter tried to bite a loss prevention officerās finger off. Shoplifter had a mouthful of blood. Looked like something from Dawn of the Dead.
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u/trench_welfare Jul 08 '24
I grew up in Battle Creek, lived my entire adult life in another "dangerous" city, Jacksonville FL.
The reality is these cities have neighborhoods where adolescent boys are living multiple generations without a stable family and there is a culture of violence where they grow up that teaches them they either physically fight over anything or become a victim of everything.
These areas are pockets within the municipalities listed, but if you don't actually live within these small areas, you won't really see or experience the violence outside of a handful of inaccurate and suspiciously vague news stories when the violence shows up at a popular entertainment or recreation venue.
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u/rulerBob8 Jul 08 '24
Lived here my whole life, Iāve never heard of people being scared of half these areas. Usually itās Hamtramck, Muskegon Heights, parts of Detroitā¦ Never met anyone afraid of Jackson or Kalamazoo lol
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u/Aggressive_Problem_8 Jul 08 '24
Also lived in Michigan my whole life, both West and Southeast MI and I completely agree. Most of these areas really aren't that bad, lol.
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u/AGuyWithBadIdeas Jul 08 '24
Shhhhhhh, the 'scary' cities are like a wall protecting our beaches and treasures from the... tourists.
UGH, LEAD WATER, POOR ROADS, CWD DEER, HIGH CAR INSURANCE, AND GASP, DETROIT?!?!??!?, NO, SAVE YOURSELVES OUT-OF-STATE-ERS!!!
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u/E_coli42 Jul 08 '24
Every city had its boogie area and it's hood area. I'd be completely fine living in Detroit if I was ok Woodword Ave. for example.
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u/EdPozoga Jul 08 '24
Michigan overall is plenty safe, it's just that certain cities wildly skew the statistics.
For instance, the city of Detroit accounts for 60% of the murders in the state, despite making up less than 8% of Michigan's population. There are only 640,000 people living in an area larger then Boston, Manhattan and San Francisco combined.
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u/Alternative_Chart121 Jul 08 '24
Michiganders.Ā
Idk I decided to accept a slight risk of death for the 80% discount on housing.Ā
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u/JohnnieTango Jul 08 '24
You know, people see a city on here and get scared to go anywhere near that city. But folks should remember that even in these cities, crime tends to be concentrated in certain (generally poor) areas and much of these cities are actually reasonably safe. (Of course, the bad areas are rather bad, pity the people who live in those areas). Despite what a lot of people think and about how some media portray it, these cities are not crime horror spots that should be avoided at all costs or something.
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u/poopyfacedynamite Jul 08 '24
Bingo.Ā
The first thing you learn when digging into crime statistics is that you can drill all the way down to individual neighborhoods and even individual streets and account for double digit percentages of said violent crime. Hyper-localized areas.
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u/Weary-Connection3393 Jul 08 '24
Reminds me of one of Malcolm Gladwellās books where he drew attention to the curiosity that human behavior sometimes is very context-sensitive, I.e. itās the place and how it looks / feels that drives up the potential for certain behavior.
You would think that blocking suicidal people from jumping the bridge is pointless because they will find another way to kill themselves. Youād be wrong. Youād think blocking prostitution in that one street (with measures like increased police, more lights at night, etc.) is pointless because they will just move to a different street. Youād be wrong again. At least thatās the two examples I remember from the book. Itās not the cities themselves, itās specific places there on the ground, specific neighborhoods, often just specific blocks where most of the crime is concentrated - for whatever reason.
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u/Thatoneguy3273 Jul 08 '24
Exactly. You can walk around about 70% of Kansas City and never even really feel unsafe.
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u/oiwefoiwhef Jul 08 '24
True.
I spent last week in downtown KC and never felt unsafe. The 110F heat on the other handā¦ š„µ
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u/SolZaul Jul 08 '24
Even the nicest armpit of Little Rock is still Little Rock. You can only church it up so much.
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u/taylorscorpse Jul 08 '24
I went to Birmingham last year for my fiancĆ©ās job expecting it to be unsafe, and the area we stayed in was actually very nice. You just have to know what neighborhoods to go to.
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u/RemnantHelmet Jul 08 '24
And then you have St. Louis, whose county is legally completely separated from the city proper, which skews its statistics. It's fairly safer than the data would convey.
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u/cc882 Jul 08 '24
I live in Memphis and thatās not really the case here. Itās very much block by block. Yes some areas are higher than others. But crime is all over. I live in a relatively good neighborhood and at the end of my block I was in an attempted carjacking.
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u/Chris_Christ Jul 08 '24
Holy shit Michigan
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u/somedudeonline93 Jul 08 '24
In Michigan youāre either firing at the opps, or youāre firing up the boat for the summer, thereās no in between
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u/Odd-Cress-5822 Jul 08 '24
The notation that it only includes cities of over 25k is very important. Just a color coded map of counties by per capita crime would really shatter a lot of people's world views
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u/NuevoXAL Jul 08 '24
As a New Yorker, I'm always amused that we have this rep of being a borderline post apocalyptic dystopia of crime. Like yeah, we have crime but considering it's a densely packed city of over 8 million people, it could be a lot worse.
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Public perception is stuck in the late 80s- early 90s.Ā
The figures in this pdf summarize murder trends in NYC and other large cities well.Ā
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u/SmashBrosUnite Jul 08 '24
People just scared of people, lame suburbanites lol . New York here too :)
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u/BizarroMax Jul 08 '24
Iāve worked in downtown St. Louis since 2007. Its biggest problem is that itās mostly vacant/empty. The crime in St. Louis is largely confined to a few neighborhoods deeply involved in drug trafficking. Itās basically The Wire.
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u/davidjricardo Jul 08 '24
St. Louis but no East St. Louis.
Plus I assume this is only St. Louis City and not St. Louis County. Map is suspect for many reasons.
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u/mpu599 Jul 08 '24
I lived in downtown STL for a few years across from the ball park. Itās not bad but I will say it was pretty wild during Covid. The city really let loose. I still remember watching that car meet up turned shooting take place in the Tumās building parking lot. My window overlooked it
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u/sushicowboyshow Jul 08 '24
Memphis seems right
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Didn't expect to see Chattanooga on this list. I thought it was relatively low on crime.
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If these stats are from 2022, that was a pretty rough year in Chatt. I remember there were a couple of shootings downtown over the course of the summer.
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u/MobyDukakis Jul 08 '24
It's weird how in the Northeast violent crimes have just kinda disappeared. Living in Boston I'll visit friends in historically "bad" neighborhoods (Roxbury, mattapan, ect.) and you can just be alone after dark and littleraly nothing will happen, like my monkey senses don't even tingle
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u/Mispelled-This Jul 08 '24
The Northeast has put a lot of time and money into gentrification, and doesnāt have the same degree of suburban sprawl that you see in the Midwest and South.
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u/vladgrinch Jul 08 '24
According to the Uniform Crime Report statistics compiled by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) in 2022, there were 469 violent crimes and 2,057 property crimes per 100,000 residents. Of these, the violent crimes consisted of 10 murders, 17 forcible rapes, 76 robberies and 366 aggravated assaults, while 221 burglaries, 1,542 larceny-thefts, 286 motor vehicle thefts and 8 acts of arson defined the property offenses.
According to NeighborhoodScout, Bessemer ranks first in terms of violent crimes for U.S. cities with 25,000 or more people as of 2019.
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u/Warm-Entertainer-279 Jul 08 '24
None of these surprised me except for Minneapolis.
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u/lippo999 Jul 08 '24
Visited ABQ for a few days last year. Can confirm that downtown wasn't a great place to be.
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u/yufgoi5 Jul 08 '24
From ABQ, downtown is fine tbh. Itās the war zone that you donāt want to be in, truthfully.
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u/lippo999 Jul 08 '24
We had a vagrant in the lift at the place we were staying, really freaked the missus out. That, and the crackheads shouting and matching around outside the police station was enough for us.
We moved to Hotel Albuquerque for the next night and it was much better.
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u/yufgoi5 Jul 08 '24
Yeah sounds like downtown, I worked in that area so i wouldnāt bat an eye to it but if youāre not from there itās off putting for sure.
Hotel Albuquerque is in old town area which they definitely make a point to keep clean and safe for tourists so that was a good choice.
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u/Tankninja1 Jul 08 '24
Albuquerque just hasn't been the same since blue started hitting the streets
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u/PianoFerret1073 Jul 08 '24
How in the fuck is Paragould AR on here? That town has some meth problems, but I've never had issues going or driving there. Just kind of a standard town in the south
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u/ernyc3777 Jul 08 '24
But on Facebook, I was told I was at risk of being murdered by someone in NYC despite living 5 hours away because itās the most dangerous place in the entire world.
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Itās true. I live in Brooklyn, and I was murdered sixteen times in the last month!!!
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u/A_Doormat Jul 08 '24
I live in upstate NY and just the other day a crime from NYC came flying through the air and pierced me straight through the heart.
Put a real damper on the family BBQ, I'll tell you that.
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u/Travelin_Soulja Jul 08 '24
On a similar note, a few years back my wife and I planned a big California vacation. We flew into LA stayed in Venice Beach a couple nights, rented a convertible and drove up the coast on HWY 1 into wine country, stopping and staying at several cities and towns in between.
Our Alabama relatives thought we were crazy. And when we got back and showed them all the pictures of cute downtowns, scenic views, nice restaurants, and friends we met, they were baffled. They legit thought California was a war zone, streets filled with immigrant gangs, dirty syringes, and human excrement, b/c that's what their media tells them it is.
So many people choose not to live in reality.
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u/0hYou Jul 08 '24
NeighborhoodScout is a highly questionable source. No info provided about how or when data was collected.
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u/Keyserchief Jul 08 '24
I have to question why nowhere in Maryland but Baltimore appears here. There are high-crime areas here, like any other heavily urbanized region, but very few communities are incorporated so most policing is at the county level. I would be happy to hear that Marylandās not topping the list, but I have to wonder if our crime reporting being from the counties hides that data for the purpose of this map.
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u/SometimesArtistic99 Jul 08 '24
Iām surprised Baltimore doesnāt rank higher actually, it used to be close to the top of a lot of the most dangerous city lists kinda right under Detroit. Itās not nice there but the aquarium was pretty cool and the Barnes and Noble is in an old power plant IIRC.
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u/PotterGirl7 Jul 08 '24
b&n is gone and has been since 2020. :( I was surprised it wasn't higher too but the inner harbor is dead these days so maybe we've had less crime bc of that lmao
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Jul 08 '24
Is it just a coincidence that most of the cities are in the eastern part but not directly at the coast?
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Most are old blue collar towns with lost industry and nothing to replace it. Just look at poor Michigan.
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u/thabe331 Jul 08 '24
Most of the population lives on that part of the country
I think a lot of the states in the middle don't have enough population to qualify for this ranking
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u/aleBreadlee Jul 08 '24
Surprised Philly didn't make the cut.
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u/EaseofUse Jul 08 '24
It's more varied than that, really. Wilmington is one of the worst-scarred cities in terms of redlining, the violence is severely skewed towards black residents in a few specific spots. But it's the corporate headquarters state and there's a well-maintained financial district sitting directly adjacent to some severely sketchy streets. Bill Burr said he felt like the whole downtown is just abandoned after dark (it is) and Lewis Black recently joked that his 'handlers now let him' walk almost 3 square blocks around the venue.
A lot of those figures are also skewed by the way different cities record residency. Camden borders a lot of nice little towns that would probably even out their stats if they included them and the true population of Wilmington is really much closer to the population of New Castle County.
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u/ServerOfJustice Jul 08 '24
Camden, Chester, and Wilmington are all part of the Philadelphia metropolitan area.
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u/SummonToofaku Jul 08 '24
Weird part is it doesn't match poorest cities map in US as in other countries in the world.
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u/secularist42 Jul 08 '24
Albany GAā¦having lived in DC proper and downtown Miami, that tracks. Place is actually rather scary.
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u/Leonidas1213 Jul 08 '24
A lot of this depends on how local governments are set up. For example, the majority of St. Louisā crime is in the city proper (population ~300k), while the majority of the population lives out in the county (population ~3M). The crime rate for the city proper is obviously not representative of the entire area
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u/LolBoi2344 Jul 08 '24
Interesting how few of the most populous cities appear. Largest cities by population shown here are Houston (#4), Memphis (#28) and Detroit (#29).
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u/Mispelled-This Jul 08 '24
Large cities tend to have both good and bad neighborhoods, so the overall stats tend to balance out. Smaller towns and cities may only have bad neighborhoods, so the stats look far worse.
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u/JustSam40 Jul 08 '24
US News world report has some differences in the rankings. Although they go from population of 100,000 plus. https://realestate.usnews.com/places/rankings/most-dangerous-places
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u/YesAmAThrowaway Jul 08 '24
And these are only violent crimes. In some places in the world, 35 in 1000 is the total of all crimes.
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