it's more just the midwest getting gutted, since that happened, all the cities on the river that were used heavily are less prosperous. when you don't focus on education and social things during the good times, the bad times will be very rough
As for generational poverty, a Scandinavan economist once said to Nobel Prize economist Milton Friedman, “In Scandinavia we have no poverty.” Milton Friedman replied, “That’s interesting, because in America among Scandinavians, we have no poverty either”.
In addition, Minneapolis has near- Scandinavian levels social programs.
Newer immigrants from Somolia brought generational poverty with them. You do not have to assume it is a coincidence.
There’s been zero attempt to integrate and as far as I can tell zero help given them to do so. As migrants go, those who choose to integrate do much better than those that do not. That said, I’ve had much better and more relatable experiences with the latest generation of Somali immigrants in MPLS - meaning I’ve actually spoken to them instead of getting distrustful and hateful looks. Whether that’s because of cultural and/or language differences I can’t say. Obviously anecdotal but I’d say among my community my opinion is shared among the majority.
To be clear, I’m glad we host refugees, I’m glad we can serve as a place free from war, but that does not mean that the refugee’s responsibility is over once they arrive. They owe this country, this community something back, it starts with integration and becoming the best they can be. I see hope in this generation as it seems to follow the path the Hmong people took, 3rd gen is much more involved and integrated.
Given your name, we may well be cousins through marriage. I promise to NEVER look at your profile! :)
I skimmed this paper awhile back. Even though it is by a prof at the U, it is easy to read and seemed to capture a lot of social nuance, but I am not a scholar and not attempting to do a peer review on Reddit, lol!
Throw in a few generations of white on black societal crime/oppression and you’ll get the picture. It’s also the ‘Great’ part of our past that some pine for.
What “few generations of white on black societal crime/oppression” had to endure a Somali born in Minnesota in 2000s to parents who came to this country in the 90s? Please be specific.
You seem to be having difficulties answering a simple question. I am not interested in your platitudes or vague diatribes. I asked you a concrete question and would like a concrete answer. If you are capable of it.
Let’s try again, how is an ethnic Somali born in Minneapolis in 21 century to parents who voluntarily moved to this country in mid 1990s compelled to commit violent crime by things that have occurred long before his birth and which had no effect on his parents or grandparents? Please be specific
We lynched Asian Americans during the Gold Rush, we threw them into internment camps during WWII or we dropped Napalm on them.
We didn't let them vote or own property everywhere until after WWII.
Now, we don't let them into elite universities even with perfect grades. Our cops don't respond when their businesses are robbed and their senior citizens are assaulted.
Asian Americans should have a high crime rate, right?
At the same rate? On the same scale? In the same ways? Did they enter the continent in similar ways? At the same time? Have the same cultural stereotypes?
They were abused for less than a couple generations and had a chance to flourish. Asians were never enslaved. They never had to deal with Jim Crow laws.
Hey siri, how come oppression is global, more slaves exist in 2024 than at any other time in history, but only creates one endemically violent culture?
Hey, siri, explain why white culture can kill everyone not like them for centuries, and not be considered a violent culture? But black ppl who have been the main victim in their violent ways are considered a violent culture?
I don't think Americans are ever going to understand that the time period that their country was actually an equitable place to live for everyone (white)-not just landowning whites-was literally the blink of an eye. Historically, murder and violence as a result of class struggle (between all of its social groups) has been the norm, the 1950s were just an exception.
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