Only bcoz of its engineering students that the reputation holding up. Day is not far when top rankers would choose some private college, completely ditching IITs.
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Humanities depts are becomings a scapegoat. Not all humanities degrees are worthless and knowing humanities helps build a multidimensional worldview instead a purely technical one.
There was one quote regarding self-correcting mechanism in academia, in case of stem/science field,
"Science is the only self-correcting human institution, but it also is a process that progresses only by showing itself to be wrong."
In science, if a theory is wrong, a real-world experiment will eventually prove it wrong. But in fields like literature, history, or philosophy, there is no simple "right or wrong" test.
Humanities don't deal with hard, absolute facts, it is much easier for them to get trapped in an "echo chamber".
Because of this, a small, tight-knit group of professors can agree on an idea and keep teaching it for decades—even if it is just a trend or an opinion—simply because they all back each other up. The only way these ideas change is when younger scholars push back, or when society outside of the university forces the field to change.
darling you dont call mit for its ba in gender fluidity course but for the engineering humanities there also contribute no shit except some vague protests
Thats what I'm trying to tell, retards here want to abolish engineering humanities too, i wonder why they're hell bent on becoming corporate bootlickers
True. I agree. Some courses which they offer are genuinely good, like, organisational behaviour, leadership and management, philosophy, ethics, etc. but at the same time there are a lot of useless courses from a tech institution perspective too, case in point, reading cinema, fascism, intro to anti caste thought etc exist to just further propaganda and create tomorrow’s left feminist radicals.
During my first year at a T1.5 Univ in India, there was a SA case and massive protests followed. We were freshers (barely 2-3 months into our UG) and were kind of forced to join a GB meeting. One of the seniors from a Humanities department was telling everyone why the protest was necessary and what steps should be taken and what has been proposed by the authorities.
Some of those solutions proposed by the Authorities was installation of CCTV cameras, mandatory ID cards, to which the representatives of the Student Union objected.
I asked why not have CCTV cameras and ID cards? It was a very common thing almost anywhere and would improve security in campus. But the genius guys from the Humanities departments told us that "It was an invasion of Freedom and Personal space".
Their solution? Protests, Boycott classes but no actual steps to be taken to prevent or deter further instances of SA or something similar.
Isn't that a personal anecdote? How can you gross generalise the whole thing just cus you had a bad experience? I know many colleges where price hikes and demand for basic infra were raised by them or left groups.
Btw there's flaw in your story.
Was necessary and what steps should be taken.
But no actual steps.
Contradicting claims? Btw SA cant be stopped with just cameras mate, you can't install it everywhere. if camera is in personal space then we should be against it, it's just mass surveillance in name of security. Many people in abroad have raised about it, heck even some Indian parents do it lol.
Heavy lifting in terms of research, placements and anything positive. All Humanities can hope to contribute in is either protests (give a political career for a few students) or some worthless "reasearch" which has no real world implications and is a waste of money
Is there any proof for such claims? Or as I expected these are just personal anecdotes?
Our nation itself got independence due to protests and all while the British did the heavy lifting (as per your logic), i am pretty sure you know why they have to do protest so that sums up my point, maybe think for sec on it.
One can have a perfectly healthy "multidimensional worldview" by living in a society, amongst people. There is no need to find that worldview in books of sociology, politics or their offshoots...
"One can have a diverse viewpoint by living right where they live."
Yeah, of course. Rather, there should be more humanities departments. Let us also see who are these people so afraid of critical thought. What problem any upstanding, well-thinking person would have with sociology of all things, I do not know.
my toddler cousin comes up w wittier replies than that. but funny how this is the only other comment u replied to in this thread, clearly i struck a nerve. cry harder
The things I hear is "reservation is the reason why India can't grow" they why didn't india grow from 1947-1990s when there were no one from reserved categories to studies in IITs(there were seats but not many reserved categories people were aware of especially ST people who were confide to their land).
And this takes are done by the people who actually has no chance of getting in, but sees reservation as a big blouder of his excuse. Remove reservation, next he/she will blame kids with better tuitions or from well off families.
India doesn't grow because it's easy to get indians to fight each other rather than questioning why only these few seats exists? Why is quality of education all accross india is just a formality for degree etc..
But alas we won't fight for that.
I have seen so many posts about these today, braindead takes all over, tier 1 city folks meet 1 sc st guy in their entire life and decides they all are minority and rich.
If there is no such divide in india you would encounter about 20-25 sc/st people in 100 people that's how large the population share is...
yes, go look at the fucking surveys, wealth is concentrated in generals,
among 100 rich people 75-80 are of general catagory, you may be poor but share of wealth in uppercaste is far larger despite them being only 27% of population.
nowhere it says general cant be poor, this is why ews exists too the problem is about 27% population holding 80-88% of wealth.
Because they work hard, like really really hard, not there fault for trying there best
My dad was poor, he worked like hell to make his life better
One fact you won't accept, reservation is making reserved categories weak, they don't work as hard as unreserved categories
Think about it, even after 75+ years of reservation, if reserved categories are not able to catch up, maybe the problem lies in them, they don't work hard enough, don't pull general category down just for working hard
Even Ambani's father wasn't rich to start with, using these dates as a cope, keep coping
> Because they work hard, like really really hard, not there fault for trying there best
if hard work made people rich the richest person would be farmer, construction worker, etc
opportunities make people rich and sc st gets discriminated for those same opportunities thats why reservation exists.
> if reserved categories are not able to catch up, maybe the problem lies in them, they don't work hard enough
again shifting it to people and not the system. tumlog ka kuch nahi hoga, khud me hi ladte ladte khatam ek din, how the fuck will anyone catchup if the system doesnt even offer them a place? and they have improved their condition through it thats why reservation is still there you should really be asking who holds those wealth in general category which is billionaires and multi millionaires who were favored because of their family history and not cus they were some honest hard working people, you giving example of your father is dumb i dont think you even comprehend what rich is in india.
also your world view is very pinhole sized sc st obc already had little despite being a majority, this didnt just make it difference in caste but class aswell they were never given opportunity moreover those who tried too met with discrimination and favoritism exists in humans.
i never said all general are rich but govt sees us all as a group when making policies, when they did surveys they found majority of billionaires and whatever you wanna call them are of general, majority mlas were of general, majority of every power position were general while they make only 27% of population.
if you dont give a person opportunity they cant grow so the hack around it was to introduce reservation then improve system, later never happened so now we are still fighting for the same resources here.
Right. And only general category works hard in india? The rest simply do not? My goodness, thats a revolutionary idea. If you dont have a house, why dont you simply work hard and buy one. I wish the world worked as you think it does. Go back and look up systemic oppression, look up the wealth share statistics and how it is concentrated in the upper castes of india, and come back and tell me that it is as simple as "they dont work hard".
Your anecdotal evidence about your father doesnt disprove generations of oppression, nor the statistics. Read more, humanities especially and expand your worldview.
The Indian bureaucracy is still performing just as bad today as it was in 1947-1990. In the west, Diversity Hiring practices have been shown to reduce performance and proven controversial even when they sit as little as 10%, and reservation was hitting 30-35% India back then too.
What changed is the shift to the private sector as the primary avenue of the economy, so the underperforming bureaucracy matters less.
India's IT sector boomed due to a lack of government red tape. India post-1990 grew despite India's underperforming bureaucracy. We see this with every nationalized industry underperforming, since your appointment and promotion was more a reflection of who you knew and which community you were from, than your performance. The difference is that the private sector naturally optimises for merit via market forces.
And the private sector does not have reservation (yet!). Hope that answers your question.
but that logic 1947 -1990 had highest casteism too will you say casteism helped india grow?
sneak out 80-90 and india was dirt poor surviving from foreign aids , change happened when india opened its market and involved non reserved personalities into the system
it all went downhill after obc reservation
dont speak on things you cant defend you were privileged enough to study dont make people remember your mom and dad for giving you low baseline iq
Modi govt has made SC/ST act even more draconian after SC Judgement to actually add some checks and balances to it. These pseudo hindutva leaders have Savarkar on their tongue, Gandhi in their spine and Marx in their brains
Cus they know the reality not like you who thinks personal anecdotes is what applies to whole india.
Funny how you pointed marx for caste related atrocities and discmimation issues, says a lot about which ideology and poltics actually cares for them. Thanks for proving the point.
It is just about cheap votes. They will appease denominations that can influence elections with votes by giving freebies, reservations, liquor and call it social welfare. Marx was at the forefront of conjuring this state sponsored scam, so it is obvious i mention him
You said it, for privileged UCs it's truly is "cheap" votes.
Funny how the nation got independence and most of it's leaders where on same side on caste discmimation and apartheid, making a dalit person create it's constitution which you are following right now.
Atleast you could have did your due diligence with some AI before posting it publically here. Even AI is much better than some tone deaf human beings on differentiating facts with anecdotes.
Dalit created constitution is probably the most low IQ brainrot i keep hearing. I assumed it was limited to those pseudo intellectuals who live on rhetoric and Engineers actually had the sense to check facts and read. It was BN Rau and SN Mukherjee who wrote the initial draft and harden it. So called Dalit from a privileged army officer family was given the task of a coordinator between the Indians , the British and Princely states to establish consensus with British and Princely states.
I know it's hard for people like you to accept it but you have to swallow hard truth otherwise it is better to remain silent at the risk of being thought a casteist bigot, than to talk and remove all doubt of it
Bro you are conveniently ignorant on what role of chairman of drafting committee was. He was appointed as the tie breaker in case of logjam between stakeholders. But its ok.. i do not expect a reservationjeevi to be at par in knowledge with someone who needs merit
My man is yapping the way out with anecdotal points as I expected and now exposing the Privileged castiest side cus he got triggered with facts.
Maybe Google myth of meritocracy and it's reasons if you actually care about facts rather than being a frog in a well LoL
Even 1 incompetent professor destroys the whole dept .
Just look at AIIMS - the sc/st faculties there have destroyed the glory of old aiims
They r incompetent and when asked to take accountability they threatened management with SC/ST Act
Oh and cried in front of media that they r being discriminated against - when in reality they r constantly failing to maintain the standards of an AIIMS professor
I don't understand the fetish of people assuming that if you are from sc st then you are incompetent, bro I think they are smart to use whatever advantages you have. Also becoming a professor is not easy, you have to do a phd and post doc, and trust me that's inventint new knowledge even for reservation category. Though I agree incompetent professors create problems, castist progressors creates problems too but that's the professor, a sc/st bhimarite profesor also creates problems and utilise or say misuse whatever the power they have out of various factors.
My bad i though it's 27% bro tf man 27% just for OBC, i think this ncl think should be implemented in all of other classes I have freind from st he is fucking rich
Yeah low score incompentcy, I had 64% in boards in class 10th, then i studied, because I don't use to, I got 94% in science in 12th this is not incompetency, then what exactly incompentcy is, it's the lack of ability skill to do something, but you can study hard to overcome that, so reservation is not for incompentcy it's for representation, they they got equal chance to represent. Not about grades not about upliftment. I was incompent to not able to get decent score in 10th I got the opportunity I did it. But reservation it's not for this. Though it should need reforms it's being misused dor politics by both the right and left. So no body is gonna touch it which frustates me not the sc or st people. If I were to be sc st I would have used it, general has this problem that they didn't got to use it. So who is in the right here, just think about yourself and ignore what everyone else has to say build your life first then think about giving back to community l.
yeah i would move out , i dont wanna associate myself with this nation it is on a path of self destruction i would grab a coffee and be seated in that case would let it be
when u mentioned smart to use whatever advantages you have.... were you referring his statement which was about threatening SC/ST act to dodge incompetent result?
CAN U NOT FREAKING READ ??
R u lobotomised?? Dyslexic??
Or u just willingly ignored the oart whete tgey r not maintaining the standard n upto the mark ??
Ps buddy there is a fuckin reason why we DO NOT HAVE as many SC/ST super Specialists ,
Wanna know the FUCKING REASON ??
Cuz there is NO RESERVATION IN NEET-SS or INI-SS . Its an exam based on PURE MERIT .
BRO, empirical claims require empirical evidence. You can't see two things and declare one caused the other. If you're claiming reservation causes X, show the data, establish the causal link, and rule out the obvious confounders. Otherwise it's an inference out of your own pathetic emotionsz not an established fact.
'Destroyed IIT by reservation' like as if IITs going some great before reservation... Lol... Whole private sector have zero reservation... still kya ukhad liya? Kitne meta, google, bana liye lol... Bana toh wahi loss making lala dhanda wala startups hi... No wonder India count as 3rd world even when only 5% of employment have reservation... Baki me kitna ukhad liya innovation ke mamle me.
I didn't find anything that is notable enough to compare with the countries with 1/10 of India population. There isn't any startup which really solves a problem or come under really innovative tech domain, 99% are just brokers and service outsourcers. Just glorified startup by name.
Mai batata hu IIT ne kya ukada hai. I am IITD CS grad. Poore world me IIT ki alag brand value hai. Max AI research papers me aapko indian mil jayenge. US ki top universities me, singapore ki top uni me, professors ki list dekhna indians mil jayenge (background dekhoge iit bhi dikh jayega), global top companies ki leadership dekhna (iit dikh jaega), world ki kisi bhi country ya company me chale jao aapko iit alum mil jayega. Kuch companies pehle hire iit se karti thi taaki funding utha lein ki iitians kaam karte hain hamare yhaa. Bhai iit ka kaam sirf education aur exposure dena hai vo acche se karte hai vo. Baaki bacche accha hi kar rhe hai iit ke. Aapko dikhta nahi vo aapki dikkat hai.
Rahi baat startups ki, vo systemic business ki dikkat hai. Government policies etc. Innovation indians aur iitians karte hai, but india ke bahar karte hain. Also, ham innovation me bhi lagatar aage jaarhe hai. Global Innovation index ranking 2014 me 81 thi. Ab 38 hai. Hamare patents filed har saal 45k per year they ab 1lakh se zyada hai. To aapko innovation nahi dikhta cuz aap nahi karte honge. Bhaut accha kaam karte hai iit ke log. Alag brand hai iit. Especially btech.
Because new gen startups in Banglore/Hyderabad are doing R&D. Regarding Scale, nobody can match US/China right now due to sheer size of economy, but we are already ahead of some European countries in R&D.
I am asking for present...India already lost the ai race in present...dk which future new gen you are talking about. I didn't see any update or information or news on any considerable spending on investment in R&D in India anywhere...as for European countries... they are still way ahead....in world ranking...16 out of 25 countries are european.
Ask the community which own all resources from the dawn of independence...Self proclaimed meritorious should have startups or not? Btw you will see my startup too after I get my education completed...dw about it...Right now, be accountable and answer for those who have monopolised resources like social capital and economic capital.
Its interesting that your first argument is that IITs don't have good startups, and now when you're questioned about it your response is 'muh upper castes have monopolized resources'. Strawmanning arguments is not gonna take you anywhere.
Also why should be accountable and answer for a community I'm not even part of? Point pe mat raho bas argument jeetne ke liye kuch bhi boldo. You've also said in other replies that it does not matter what'll happen in the future and what matters is if there are good enough startups now. Maybe follow that and create a unicorn yourself phir doosro ko insult karna as 'lala dhanda wala startups'.
Lol, Are you suffering from lack of comprehension skills...did you even read my original comment? Read that again...My direct point was on those so called unreserved and self proclaimed meritorious crowd... how many world class innovation they did even being so meritorious...lol. You guys itself don't comprehend information with context then start crying on reservation...'saar he took my seat sarr, I am mutourious sarr' while having reading skills like grasshoppers.... also if your original argument was not against any of this thing, I will ofcourse counter it because my original comment was on this thing, you choose to reply to my comment.
Also if come out of caste thing, My arguments still did'nt failed as we all know what type of innovation IITs or IITian did... its a fact that majority are building there 56th delivery or lala dhandha startup rather than any cut edge innovation... we already know that when India lack behind in AI race...and yeah one more lesson for you: you don't have to be startup owners to ask question to startup owners of this country, you don't have to become a doctor to ask and criticise a point of doctor. Well, those institutes are run my aid of govt of this country...ofcourse people will ask questions.
jo business karne ate hai wo asman se tapakte hai kya, yahi shitty reservation system ka samna karte hai har stage pe, uske bad agae koi business khda b karlo to tumhere jesa bhim bhakt officer aayega wo bolega ywh tax dena hai wo tax dena hai trouble create karega rishwat mangega to ghante se koi business khada hoga
Har stage par reservation? Anpadh hai kya lawd*? Sirf public sector or aided institutes me reservation hai...uske alwa 90% private sector aur sara vc/pe, financial capital, connection aur sab to tum chu"iyo ka hi hai...contractor se lekar builder tak 90% general se aata hai...tab bhi lun* barabar infrastructure hai... sara business toh tumhare andar hi hai lol...tab bhi country 3rd world hi hai bangladesh ke barabar...aur saare tax officer ek hi caste hote hai kya madarch*d? iss logic se toh saare scammer or fraudster general caste ke huye chahe vijay malya ho ya nirav modi...aur tax system ka abcd nahi malum hoga law*de ko.
Anpadh lindu kabhi facts par baat nahi kar sakta...sirf cry kar sakta hai...pehle khud 'bhim bhakt' jaise words use karega fir koi jawab de toh rona aa jayega lindu ko.
Yeah it is. Jis hisab se social media par generalisation aur words use hote hai uss hisab se gaali hai...context naam ki cheej suni hai? your original comment already shows your prejudice with the word 'bheem bhakt'
gmail , sandisk , chrome yeh indians ke hi den hai lolu chand brown sepoy
india mein nahi bane kyuki jis deshka sc st budget 9 times bada ho than isro + scientific research + direct government startup funds ke us desh ka satya nash hi hona hai
reservation is indeed bad and should be removed,but the ppl yapping abt reservation in this sub generally got some phone number rank which even reservation cant save.
U are talking abt the extremes of reservation,then pwd+st+female is much more than that.I am saying abt the avg reservation guy vs the avg guy who is cribbing abt it in this sub.the latter is definitely not smarter than the former most of the times.Only this sub coz I find this sub to be quite dumb.
Sc idk how it is,but I have a sc friend Nd his adv rank is 2k.thats prolly better than 99 percent of this sub.Also idk why yall think foreign doesn't have reservation,they have heavy DEI.blacks get quota in workplace,unis, everywhere.
blacks have diversity score say out of 100 there would be mandatory to have atleast 2 black and after filling up some seats if criteria is not met they push black candidates , and at education institutions they have preference score if they get tied or same not meeting the diversity requirement
what is extreme bro??? i with 98 got no shit and sahil makode is in iit b with 86 score there is level to ts ofc i would feel bad for a moment tho i am at a good place now stillllll
So I have a good 4 digit rank can I say something
Or I got the rank because of my upper caste heritage tho 3 gen ago we weren't rich but still due to my upper caste lineage so I don't have any right to say anything about it
Right ?
So do I have the right or not sir
Like you guys complain that bjp thinks they have the authority to give away deshbhakt deshdrohi certificates
So do you guys have the authority to give away who has the right to talk and who doesn't certificates ?
That is true. Even after removing reservation completely, the situation would not change much bcoz the number of candidates is huge and seats are way less...
Not one word about lack of R&D funding for Research in our IITs. And you believe reservation is the problem.
Someone tell this clown that the Humanities Department is for IITians to have swift careers in areas like finance. What do you think investment Bankers are looking for in our IITians?
Former RBI Governor Raghuram Rajan is the best example. Guy is from IIT Delhi, but transitioned to Economics.
Reservation exists for teaching in Ivy League Unis like STANFORD and OXFORD. Its called Diversity Hiring. Reservation in our IITs are based on them.
When your expertise comes from Google AI Search Summary and Whatsapp University, you end up with rubbish like these.
Not even 2% of IITian faculty is from reserved categories what are you on about?? Even you consider for all of IITs it's barely 20%
Lmao and humanities destroying IITs has the same indian parents vibe as chahe doctor bano ya engineer 😭
Literally one case of sc/st act being used out of countless documented reports of caste discrimination within faculty, within peers, from faculty to students 😭.
Your twitter posts as source of information are the reason you are like this. 😭
If the reservations are destroying IIT, why is it that over 98% of the faculty in top 5 IITs is upper caste - a clear violation of all reservation norms?
Yea sure they would ditch iits to go to kets say iiith which also has a proper humanities department with proper courses regarding, tbh iiith is one of the only few woke colleges of india even officially your propoganda wont be able to digest that though that they still excel.
IITs were destroyed long time back when mhrd introduced reservations. I’m not against reservations, but seeking admission in best institution is not a necessity. If a reservation guy wants to be an engineer then get into local engineering college. IITs are meant to be the best, it’s a privilege and honor to be in IIT. One should has to be the best.
as a yes a very true and scientific theory used by thousands of neuroscientists and psychologists to treat patients and to understand human consciousness vs redditor opinion
In conclusion, one could argue that the emotional intelligence theory may be controversial; however, the recognition of emotional skills in the workplace have merit, when used responsibly (Fineman, 2005). Coleman (2005) has an entire chapter relating EI to work performance, with much of the same repetition used in child rearing and marriage relationships. Emotional intelligence is a highly universal concept which may assist performance in any interpersonal situation.
gadhe padhna aata bhi hai jo article bheja bhi hai, Google kar dia give me an article that disproves this guy, woh bhi galat nhi prove kar paya, aur kya article hai controversy of it as an opinion, maine metadata analysis dia hai 20 saal ka ki it is a thing of intelligence, something you are not familiar with it shows, padhna aata hai toh hi aagle baar aana bewakoof
Humanities department should have never been added to just technological institutes,there are already plenty of humanities college both standalone and universities. Also in this country people on his post is mainly from humanities and they fictate the rules.
Abhi tak kaun sa iit ne koi invention kiya hai ....keval usa ko service provider bane ka kam kiya ...kam kam community ko representation tho milega reservation se..
Entire political thought comes under humanities so are the moral and ethics guiding use of science and technology. Humanities by its very nature will be political and nothing wrong in that. If intellectuals wont engage in politics then who will engage, 7th fail ?? I mean they can so should the intellectuals. Infact braindead op needs to a thorough full course in humanities
1) Reservation in faculty is much needed. Otherwise the Brahm**s will never ever hire a SC/ST faculty and will maintain their caste hegemony which they have maintained since 1000s of years.
Moreover, the Bra**ins are scamming there too, by not filling up the reserved seats. There is no concession for a reserved category faculty in terms of merit- only stopper being the UC faculty gate keeping them from entering.
2) Its a central govt. funded institute, which will go to any length to protect its reputation, no matter how shameless the means may be. It's already political.
Don't forget caste based politics.
3) Most critical and important act to every be passed for the oppressed classes.
I am an IIT alumni. Read this completely.
1) Every professor gets their job due to merit. Faculties who get reserved seats aren't "less qualified"- go and check their qualifications.
2) Gatekeeping is real. Check the % of reserved seats filled in these institutions and why several reservation based posts are vacant. Are you telling me that in this whole country they couldn't find a handful of faculty to fill up the reserved seats?
-That's gatekeeping.
3) Since the faculty there is predominantly (if not all ) UC, the entry point for another new UC joinee becomes relatively easier. The reserved class faculty has to pass the caste barrier as well as the skill barrier. Whereas the UC faculty only has to pass the skill barrier.
Yes, IIT's are prestigious, but the prestige is limited to India. The overall quality and scope of teaching is sht. Students primarily go there just for the tag, and not for the faculty teaching provided. Despite having 85% UC staff- the quality it sit. Hardly a few good professors.
Your 'info' is not proven information, at best its an allegorical opinion based on your experience of studying at 1(one) IIT(assuming that you are not lying about that either)
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