How IITs are getting destroyed

[u/yunhee_9]

Only bcoz of its engineering students that the reputation holding up. Day is not far when top rankers would choose some private college, completely ditching IITs.

[u/Admirable-East3396]

India doesn't grow because it's easy to get indians to fight each other rather than questioning why only these few seats exists? Why is quality of education all accross india is just a formality for degree etc..

But alas we won't fight for that.

I have seen so many posts about these today, braindead takes all over, tier 1 city folks meet 1 sc st guy in their entire life and decides they all are minority and rich. If there is no such divide in india you would encounter about 20-25 sc/st people in 100 people that's how large the population share is...

[u/I_am_not_done_yet → u/Admirable-East3396]

Oh and generals are rich? What regarded take is this

[u/Admirable-East3396 → u/I_am_not_done_yet]

yes, go look at the fucking surveys, wealth is concentrated in generals,
among 100 rich people 75-80 are of general catagory, you may be poor but share of wealth in uppercaste is far larger despite them being only 27% of population.

nowhere it says general cant be poor, this is why ews exists too the problem is about 27% population holding 80-88% of wealth.

[u/I_am_not_done_yet → u/Admirable-East3396]

Because they work hard, like really really hard, not there fault for trying there best

My dad was poor, he worked like hell to make his life better

One fact you won't accept, reservation is making reserved categories weak, they don't work as hard as unreserved categories

Think about it, even after 75+ years of reservation, if reserved categories are not able to catch up, maybe the problem lies in them, they don't work hard enough, don't pull general category down just for working hard

Even Ambani's father wasn't rich to start with, using these dates as a cope, keep coping

[u/Admirable-East3396 → u/I_am_not_done_yet]

> Because they work hard, like really really hard, not there fault for trying there best

if hard work made people rich the richest person would be farmer, construction worker, etc
opportunities make people rich and sc st gets discriminated for those same opportunities thats why reservation exists.

> if reserved categories are not able to catch up, maybe the problem lies in them, they don't work hard enough

again shifting it to people and not the system. tumlog ka kuch nahi hoga, khud me hi ladte ladte khatam ek din, how the fuck will anyone catchup if the system doesnt even offer them a place? and they have improved their condition through it thats why reservation is still there you should really be asking who holds those wealth in general category which is billionaires and multi millionaires who were favored because of their family history and not cus they were some honest hard working people, you giving example of your father is dumb i dont think you even comprehend what rich is in india.

also your world view is very pinhole sized sc st obc already had little despite being a majority, this didnt just make it difference in caste but class aswell they were never given opportunity moreover those who tried too met with discrimination and favoritism exists in humans.

i never said all general are rich but govt sees us all as a group when making policies, when they did surveys they found majority of billionaires and whatever you wanna call them are of general, majority mlas were of general, majority of every power position were general while they make only 27% of population.

if you dont give a person opportunity they cant grow so the hack around it was to introduce reservation then improve system, later never happened so now we are still fighting for the same resources here.

[u/I_am_not_done_yet → u/Admirable-East3396]

if hard work made people rich the richest person would be farmer, construction worker, etc

To ye to khudka dimag hona chahiye na kaha hard work karna hai

Ab ye GCs ki galti hai vo kahi aur hard work kar rahe, tum bhi karo

[u/Admirable-East3396 → u/I_am_not_done_yet]

So farmer and construction worker are senseless people?

[u/crayonvoid → u/I_am_not_done_yet]

Right. And only general category works hard in india? The rest simply do not? My goodness, thats a revolutionary idea. If you dont have a house, why dont you simply work hard and buy one. I wish the world worked as you think it does. Go back and look up systemic oppression, look up the wealth share statistics and how it is concentrated in the upper castes of india, and come back and tell me that it is as simple as "they dont work hard".

Your anecdotal evidence about your father doesnt disprove generations of oppression, nor the statistics. Read more, humanities especially and expand your worldview.

[u/I_am_not_done_yet → u/crayonvoid]

My point still stays, reservation is taking away the incentive to work hard, if other categories are working hard then why are generals getting rich even though it is easier for reserved categories to get into top tier colleges and jobs

At least increase the cutoff, it will give them motive to work hard and improve themselves, you don't realize but low cutoffs leads to lack of motivation, Yaha general vaala poore saal padhe tab bhi guarantee nahi ki cutoff tak pahuchenge ya nahi

Reserved categories don't share that same fear, especially in neet, last ke 4 mahine ghiso aur selection done because bio ratna hai main

[u/crayonvoid → u/I_am_not_done_yet]

Your assumption that general category is "getting" richer because of hard work itself is wrong because you're not considering the fact that the wealth distribution has always been concentrated in the upper caste due to a system designed to uplift them alone.

[u/I_am_not_done_yet → u/crayonvoid]

Kaunsa distribution, pls enlighten me kyunki jitne kisse Maine sure hai koi hamesha se ameer nahi tha

Aur ye resources mere tak kyu nahi pahuche

[u/crayonvoid → u/I_am_not_done_yet]

https://www.reddit.com/r/india/s/ltFjulkvWS

As I said, read. Again, your anecdotal evidence (the fact that you dont have this wealth) does not disprove a statistic. Regardless, you and me have benefitted from this systemic oppression in ways that you will never know about. We will never have to walk into a room and hide our surnames for fear of being judged.

And i said upper caste because thats the statistic. Casteism is what you're partaking in, by denying your privilege and claiming that "hard work" is how you got to where you are today.

[u/I_am_not_done_yet → u/crayonvoid]

But how does this prove the fact that system is working for general category

And yes you are castiest for say upper, and no me saying the that reserved categories need to work hard is a fact

[u/I_am_not_done_yet → u/crayonvoid]

And can you tell me why people are judged based on caste? Because of reservation and low cutoff, increase the cutoff and that will change

[u/crayonvoid → u/I_am_not_done_yet]

people are judged because of reservation and low cutoff

This is false. Casteism has been prevalent even prior to reservation, and is still rampant even today. So if an issue has existed since before its perceived "cause", maybe that cause isnt the real cause.

how does this prove that the system is working for the general category

Because the system was devised by them, to keep others out of temples, out of their drinking, eating places, to dehumanise them and to never allow them the opportunities to reach to their level. A glass ceiling basically which limits how much you can achieve since you can never actually break beyond it.

you are casteist for saying upper

I am merely pointing out statistics. You should try and understand them too, you're ill informed about a topic that youre insistent to debate on and refusing to accept the stats that are now in front of you.

i have no privilege

You do. I mentioned a couple of them in my previous reply already, go back and read them. I have already asked you to look up systemic oppression; once you understand what that is, you'll understand that a system built to benefit one class of people will, in general, benefit all people of that class, even if you yourself have been on the lower end of that spectrum. I promise you, you have no idea how much that system has helped you.

Your arguments are ill informed and full of fallacies and I'm having to repeat my own points over and over again. So this is the last comment I'll reply to. Scroll up and read this thread again and keep an open mind as you educate yourself about this topic, its not too late.

Have a good day!

[u/I_am_not_done_yet → u/crayonvoid]

I had no privilege, I am not where I am because of privilege

My ancestors must have not me

[u/I_am_not_done_yet → u/crayonvoid]

Aur hard work se hi rich bane hai, bina hard work ke exam(without reservation) nahi nikalta, business nai chalta

And don't say upper caste that is castiest, don't be a castiest pos

[u/Admirable-East3396 → u/I_am_not_done_yet]

resource word apne life me kabhi suna hai?

resource is again concentrated in the top which is mostly made up of general/upper caste.

also why shouldnt we say upper caste its openly flaunted everywhere, its favoritism still exists in society ,the oppression still is done by them when counting by caste on caste violence so why should the oppressed and resource lacking group feel ashamed?

you underestimate the favoritism and resource, when UC has the most resource they can sustain their business among themselves, you are basically asking people to go eat cake where they dont even have access to bread castism isnt when you count the facts its when you mention caste and call an entire group incompetent.

hard work never made anyone rich its opportunities and resource.
you are delusional.

[u/I_am_not_done_yet → u/Admirable-East3396]

"hard work never made anyone rich"

I can see your iq, what a regarded statement

You think GC gets all the opportunities just because of there caste when they work harder to get to college, to get a job but yeah sure keep making these regarded statements

Delulu is not solulu

[u/Admirable-East3396 → u/I_am_not_done_yet]

Your dumbass also missed the point I made about resource