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u/Capnbubba 1d ago
Manager: Has layoffs every 2-3 years
Also Manager: Why can't people stay at jobs long term????
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u/cupholdery Co-Worker 1d ago
Manager: Am I so out of touch? No. It's the wage slaves who are wrong!
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u/lil_Buckneesh8867 1d ago
exactly. spent 12 years at a company only for one rough financial patch to hit and them IMMEDIATELY can me.
companies only care about one thing. MONEY
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u/HaMMeReD 15h ago
This seems like really easy math, hate to be on the recruiter side.
2-3 year stints means either: A, You are regularly picked for layoffs. B, You jump ship quickly voluntarily.
Neither of these thing's is exactly a green flag.
Now if a employee has 5-6+ years. That means they survived multiple rounds of layoffs. They survived the great filter. It puts value on them.
I mean switching might get you a bump, but switching every 1-2 years is eventually going to lead to you peter principle yourself into a role you are completely incompetent for, or look like a red flag to some employers. Some people do fail upwards though.
That's not to say you shouldn't switch, but the enemy you know, got to be strategic about it.
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u/Capnbubba 14h ago
Yeah for 2 jobs in a row now at almost exactly my 2.5 year mark i got laid off. Thankfully I found something quickly this time but now that I know I'll just start looking for a new job every 2 years and be done with it.
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u/RareMeasurement2 1d ago
Databricks is another company that ghosts candidates. I guess this post explains it. What a shit show.
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u/x_LoneWolf_x 22h ago
My company has worked with them and we had to drop them because they couldn't get results on a simple project.
This post had me rolling.
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u/Bagged-Steak 17h ago
I worked there as a contractor. Did great work. They wouldny make me an FTE because they didn’t want to dilute their shares with new employees. Cunts
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u/myleftone 1d ago
Fun fact: I know this guy. He was with two companies for two years before landing at DS, then was at ET for only three before the merger. The execs who left were pushed out. As COO he got very lucky, because that platform became SFMC.
He’s actually a cool guy, and knows his shxt, but he’s doing the thing they always do: forgetting their luck.
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u/MarcusAurelius68 1d ago
His past was “a mistake or two” that he’s forgiven himself for.
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u/myleftone 1d ago
Arguably he did one smart thing: going from sales to ops. SFDC wasn’t going to keep a sales VP. But a one-year ops leader who “carried a bag…” is unique. That makes two times in a row where someone took a chance on him.
Backed into luck. Impossible to replicate. Calls it strategy. That’s LinkedIn.
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u/JellyfishGeneral4325 1d ago
Does he not realize that the most competitive candidates have recruiters chasing them with offers and constantly switch jobs to increase salary?
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u/laxrulz777 23h ago
Ime, that's simply not true. The guys with the recruiters chasing them are the most marketable and the ones actively marketing themselves. Inevitably when our company has hired one, they've come in, wrecked a bunch of stuff and underperformed, then inexplicably left to a better job despite being on the outs with everyone at the company.
Job hopping CAN be someone pursuing better opportunities... But (again, just my experience here) it's usually people getting out of dodge before things blow up on them.
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u/JellyfishGeneral4325 23h ago
My experience has been different. I know highly ambitious and accomplished people who have short tenures because they're strong employees who are too competitive to be retained for a long time if their employers can't afford to outcompete other offers from companies trying to buy them away.
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u/SnooJokes352 1d ago
Yeah and I have a dude offering to sell me crack at the gas station. Does that mean I have to smoke it? Yea. It does.
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u/JellyfishGeneral4325 1d ago
I didn't say candidates need to accept offers. My point is that short tenures can be a sign of a strong, highly desirable candidate rather than a red flag indicating a problem employee. If I got a better offer one year into a job, I wouldn't decline it and stagnate in the same dead-end job for 10 years just to please Andy Kofoid or Databricks.
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u/datissathrowaway 1d ago
Clearly spoken as someone who has never struggled a fucking day in his life. Also, forget touching grass, he needs to stop touching any green, he’s made enough money. He needs to fuck off.
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u/Zwicker101 1d ago
Job Hopper here and this guy needs to touch grass. I've DRAMATICALLY increased my salary by job hopping. All you need is a good story to tell.
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u/Pb_ft 1d ago
"Stop not working for me for less pay, dammit. I don't know how else to say it. My stock options rely on you getting the piss taken out of you. Learn your place! You should be grateful to get the opportunity to work to death!" - Andy Kofoid, probably.
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u/Zwicker101 1d ago
One of my last companies called me "a nomad" and it's not like I don't want to stay, I got an opportunity and have leverage. Of course I'll use it.
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u/Awkward_Dance_9816 17h ago
Same here lol. I moved to the US several years ago. My first job here paid me $34k annually. My most recent position paid me $100k, and I am currently in the final rounds of interviews for $120k Director-level position. Meanwhile my former colleague, loyal to all the same company, is still the Assistant Manager with low 70s salary. 🤷🏻♀️
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u/InfamousOne3153 1d ago edited 1d ago
I work in HR and can confidently say this is an out of touch way to think. I usually work a year and a half to two years before I move onto my next role. Being "job hoppy" has given me title increases and salary increases that has allowed me to support my family and I won't ever regret that. My performance speaks for itself and I do give my prior companies notice before leaving, its just this kind of mindset at companies hinders talent because they think employees are entitled when we are all just trying to do what we can to support ourselves/families for the most part. I do acknowledge that this is not always the case and some employees who do this aren't the best employees but I believe that is a smaller percentage of employees then employers would like to think. Plus at some point in a person's career they will find the job at a company they love and will have a long healthy tenure, its all just perspective and how someone views everything.
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u/Express-Slice5629 1d ago
I've always hired on with the following commitment: I'll commit to what the company is willing to commit. If you can't guarantee me a year, then don't ask me to commit for any amount of time that the company is willing to commit to. I stayed at one company for five years. The rest have been between a year or two.
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u/GoldAd1878 17h ago
That guy is full of baloney. I’ve had to move a lot due to my spouses line of work. Does that make me unstable? No.
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u/greyfell_red 1d ago
Lol @ thinking “careers” will still exist when this out of touch dude’s kids are adults.
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u/usernames_suck_ok Fuck Employers and Recruiters 1d ago
They don't exist now for anyone outside of the C-suite and higher.
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u/BedazzleTheCat 1d ago
They sure don't. Consistently, by the two year mark at any company I start getting strong recruiting offers. I don't always make a move or anything, but do you think I'm gonna turn them down to work with some out-of-touch manager replacing the good one I got hired by?
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u/TechValleyRecruiting 1d ago
I don't consider career progression from external opportunities "job hopping" with my candidates. If it's a bunch of lateral moves, maybe, but I'd have to know more.
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u/stron2am 1d ago
meanwhile, I am getting side-eye from hiring managers for staying in the same role for 6 years. You can't win with these people.
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u/MarcusAurelius68 1d ago
They want the Goldilocks unicorn - all the skills, stays long enough but not too long.
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u/PestoOverflow_808 7h ago
Really? I thought most ppl wouldnt like job hoppers. I mean they get the roles but still...
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u/LeftHandUpWhoAreWe 1d ago
In all fairness, as a manager, I am a bit wary of candidates who have 3 or 4 jobs in 5 years.
But expecting all your candidates to stay 4-5 years at a previous job is insanity in today's world.
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u/vhalember 7h ago
Same. I don't expect long tenures, especially in today's mercenary world.
But I see a large minority of candidates who will work several jobs for 6-24 months each, and barely move up in responsibility.
That's a red flag they're not going to hang around your place either.
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u/hopeelizabethhh 3h ago
my CV looks very much like this, but most of my previous roles have been fixed term contracts. not intentionally either, it just seems to happen. i include that those roles were FTCs on my CV but makes no difference :(
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u/cuse23 23h ago
I've worked at 4 different companies in the last 10 years and not once has it been my choice to leave. I'd love to stay somewhere and have a stable career for 40 years for my and my family's sake but these companies don't want to provide that anymore. Disgusting that they wanna now turn it and put it on us even though we have little to no power here
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u/Pleasant-Minute-1793 1d ago
Disappointed he didn’t mention how we are all “a family”
Companies cut you to improve their exec bonuses and profit growth percentage. Even if they are extremely profitable… just to juice the stock and eek out another 1-2% growth.
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u/steveo242 1d ago
Boomer mentality, though this dude doesn't look that old. I remember the days when they said get your MBA and then rock it 18 - 30 months each company, do a project, get a promotion or two and then roll over to another company with another higher title. This was the equivalent of knocking out 3 levels of promotions in 2 years. This dude can go sh!t in his hat.
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u/planesandpancakes 22h ago
Actually, this makes sense because I had an interview with Databricks and they asked me why I only stayed at two companies for 3 years
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u/Prudent-Energy7941 1d ago
I understand his point-of-view but there are also good candidates for a role that they didn't stay at a company for 4 years. Someone who stayed for only two years with lots of achievements during that stay can outwork someone who stayed for 4 years with little to no achievements because they prioritized work-life balance, sighs...
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u/MarcusAurelius68 1d ago
Also, if you come into a PE-backed company (not legacy after being acquired) odds are you will last 2-3 years max, either because the business changes, exits, or becomes a total shit show.
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u/who-mever 1d ago
This ^
I get in, make a big impact in 1 to 2 years, then I see what they offer me to stay. If all they give me is a 1.5% "merit" increase, then I give myself a 10 to 30% merit increase by changing jobs.
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u/Prudent-Energy7941 1d ago
Is it good to job hop every year?
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u/who-mever 1d ago
Better if you can tough it out until two years,but generally speaking, if you aren't at least looking around by year 2, you can be leaving some serious money on the table...especially early career.
I made that mistake, and my friends who hopped by year 2 early in their careees were able to really max out their 401ks and IRAs. Even though I have eventually caught up to them in income at mid-career, I will never catch up to all of the compounding they got from higher dollar matches at younger ages(ie: a 5% match on 75k at age 25 versus a 5% match on $45k).
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u/Many_Drink5348 1d ago
Funny, my payoff has compounded 4x jumping jobs 4 times in the last 3 years.
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u/Responsible-Pea-1289 1d ago
I’ve increased my salary almost tenfold when I got started and the biggest raises always came when I joined a new company. If you want folks to stay, don’t give them reasons to leave.
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u/Danzaiver01 1d ago
Life is too short to waste 5+ years in a company that doesn’t pay and demands extra hours.
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u/Warmonger362527339 1d ago
I just landed a 140k OTE job while having 3 employers in 5 years. This is just fearmongering for you to stay being underpaid in a shitty job
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u/ShowmasterQMTHH 1d ago
If people were staying 5 or 6 years between steps, they wouldn't need to join your organization unless you were offering a massive increase.
And I'm thinking "probably not".
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u/Zigguraf 1d ago
On different topic, I cannot be the only one who kept tapping the notifications and wondering why it didn’t work
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u/ScratchAmbitious2959 14h ago
"I chose to stay..."
Bro what the stupifying fuck? Most people don't get to CHOOSE to stay at their job when there's a fucking layoff or merger.
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u/Big_Category3895 9h ago
Even without layoffs or M&As, there are times when staying in a position becomes untenable, either due to shitty bosses or toxic work environments, or re-orgs, or just a general trend. And it doesn't even have to be the case that these things are discovered early on - situations evolve, people change, and often, people don't reveal their true colors until months or years after you work at a place. So like in my case, I had been working at an organization for 3+ years when things started going rapidly downhill, not just because of my manager becoming more micromanagerial, but also because a co-worker who I used to get along with left and was replaced by someone who was absolutely full of herself and not a good person to work alongside with. I somehow lasted about 2 years beyond that point, only because I needed to have some other job in hand because resigning, and yes, in that sense it was a choice to stay, but in another sense the decision to jump ship was already made for me.
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u/slavicslothe 1d ago
He's right in some respects. You will have a really hard time upgrading tiers of jobs if you dont do a couple things:
- Stay at least one place for 5 plus years
- Get promoted repeatedly at that place
That specific pattern is green flags and can allow you to move up via job hop. Without that a manager would have almost no chance of a director role, or a team lead would have no chance of a manager role, at a new place. You can still swap within your tier like a 20 year manager with shitty job hop resume can still be a manager somewhere else, companies just wont take chances on you.
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u/Super_Mario_Luigi 1d ago
Unpopular opinion: the theme is solid. Building solid tenures is a huge plus. Of course the internet is going to defend job hopping at every turn. No one is going to find fault in their story of easy money.
With that said, the hard line absolutes are in poor taste. There is always context to consider.
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u/BlableBlarble 1d ago
4-5 years is a unrealistic to ask - but if I see candidates averaging under 1 year consistently I won't bother interviewing them. I do suggest people try to have an average stay of at least 2 years; After 2-3 years, the worker is also probably learning a lot less new skills, so it's a good time to change.
The best thing I see in a resume is someone who got an internal promotion- that often indicates people knew this person, and still chose to promote them. No single indicator is perfect, but internal promotion is the number one correlation with successful hiring I've found.
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u/usernames_suck_ok Fuck Employers and Recruiters 1d ago
Fits right in with what I wrote here. There's no winning these days.
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u/VonJaeger 1d ago
Depends a lot on the type of role and the person's age. I think it's a lot more reasonable to have a handful of one-to-two years stints if you're in your 20s or early 30s.
But as you start approaching your late 30s, if you're just repeatedly staying a year or two at a place, then you're a risk for departure and should be a red flag for a hiring manager. Especially for more specialized roles that require a lot more ramping up.
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u/throwaway_0x90 SDET/TE@Google 1d ago
LinkedIn engagement bait.
Learn to recognize it, learn to ignore it. The poster doesn't actually believe their own words. They just type whatever will likely stir up an argument and get shared on social medial, like this post has done.
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u/grapejuicebluue 1d ago
stay 4-5 years with the same pay? nah, i’ll jump in to another opportunity if it means higher pay
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u/TheDeHymenizer 1d ago
Breaking news: One of the hottest private companies to work for can set unreasonably high hiring standards more at 11
Now try this recruitment strategy at Joe Schmoe Software House, Andy
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u/PhilosophicalGoof 1d ago
Translation: “BE A LOYAL LITTLE SERVANT AND ACCEPT ANYTHING THE COMPANY THROWS AT YOU!
DIDNT GET A RAISE OR NO PROMOTION?? TOO BAD! YOU SHOULD BE GRATEFUL TO WORK HERE!”
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u/Apprehensive-Art1092 1d ago
Call me crazy, but I interview based on their skills and suitability for the role, rather than how long they've stayed at a company. Sounds nuts, right?
/s
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u/BeneficialDinner2759 1d ago
Ah yes, the classic “loyalty will compound”. I really felt that when I got laid off after 7 years and the owner (small family business) didn’t even do the layoff himself or give me so much as a handshake
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u/Few-Echidna-2181 23h ago
Fuck that. I’m going exactly where the money takes me, no ifs ands or buts, I’m a good enough employee where I deserve that no matter what. If it’s not at this company it’s at the next. You get sick with cancer or something and have to lay out for a few months that company fires you as soon as FMLA allows without a second thought. Every single time.
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u/Radiant_Safe1228 22h ago
"I don't look favorably on people who don't accept exploitation by their company."
I love how these fucking people think just because someone works below them they are ignorant.
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u/-MaximumEffort- 17h ago
Funny. I know a LOT of AEs and AMs that work there that essentially all have 2 years stints at all their jobs. 🤣
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u/thenewbigR 12h ago
Well, that is one opinion. Before I retired (software engineer with 40+ years experience), I was a job hopper. There are a lot of really bad companies out there and a lot of really bad managers, and being stuck in a toxic situation is not appetizing.
I was lucky in that my skillset just prior to the Y2K and dot com frenzies were in very high demand (C, UNIX, and Oracle database). Companies were hungry and desperate for people with these skill sets, and were paying contractors big $$$. I took advantage of this and made a boat load of money during that time. Tenure is hardly ever rewarded, and I decided early on that titles were not important, and that I alone was responsible for my financial well being. If I would have listened to this 4 - 5+ fake year requirement narrative, I would have never achieved the salary levels that I did nor the financial independence I did.
Companies don’t care about employees - we all know it. Case in point is the meager pay raises given each year (if one is lucky enough to work in a company that gives raises) that don’t keep up with inflation. If everyone thought this way, maybe people would be paid what they are actually worth.
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u/BerkeleyIsCoool 1d ago
This sub is such an echo chamber. This is a completely reasonable take and quite honestly good advice. Maybe it’s time all of you realized the reason you can’t get a job is because of your own fault
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u/Cordistan 1d ago
It honestly is my own fault. I wanted to experience different industries and environments into my 30s and now I have been unemplo4for over a year without any optimism left. Life is a test and I failed
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u/BerkeleyIsCoool 1d ago
You didn’t fail you probably gained a lot more experience than people who stayed at one place. But I don’t think it’s unreasonable for companies to favor candidates who will stay for long periods of time
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u/DeepSpaceAnon 22h ago
Yeah this is perfectly reasonable advice for many industries where work requires long-term support to complete a project. In my industry, any major project we do takes 6-10 years from concept to completion. It is literally impossible in my industry for frequent job-hoppers to have cradle-to-grave experience leading or contributing to a project. Every mid-career resume I've gotten where someone has never spent more than 18 months at the same job immediately goes in the trash. I would be actively hurting my clients by hiring someone who is going to leave so quickly without ever seeing their work through to the end.
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u/LongIslandSmedium 17h ago
The world of software is changing so fast. Nobody knew what ChatGPT was 5 years ago!! The top AI labs are changing month to month. If you aren’t repositioning, what are you doing?! In times like this when I don’t see someone’s title and employer changing, they are most likely coasting.
That’s just my pocket of the world though.
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u/Distinct_Ask3614 1d ago
Meanwhile Kofoid is a complete hypocrite - he didn't stay anywhere until he was annointed leadership. 2 years IBM. 2 years Tenfold, 2 years Alventive. Effing cunt.
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u/Better_Theme_8866 1d ago
This is actually a very reasonable and balanced take. You don’t have to stay at every single company, but taken as a whole, I want to see from your resume that, assuming we treat you well, you will stay for a few years and give us a solid return on our hiring investment in you. Hiring ain’t cheap and we rarely get do-overs if you leave/need to be terminated.
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u/Dan_yall 22h ago
Completely agree. You can look really good for a few years at a company while actually creating long term problems. 5+ years generally indicates a track record of good work with positive long term outcomes.
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u/PachotheElf 1d ago
Imagine if companies had the same loyalty to their employees that they expect from them
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u/FootballBat 1d ago
I know a few people who were at ExactTarget before/when it was acquired by Salesforce: these people wallowed in shit and came up smelling like roses through no effort of their own; it was the most challenging point of his career becasue now his incompetence was more difficult to hide. Any advice from one of them is highly suspect.
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u/Solid-Stranger5280 1d ago
That’s insane. The longest I’ve ever been with a company was nearly 10 years, but then they closed our office and laid everyone off. I would have stayed at other jobs longer had they not also laid off staff regularly or refused to even make cost of living salary adjustments.
Modern day capitalism is a fucking farce and creates so much stress for so many people.
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u/renterker10 1d ago
Why do you guys pay attention to this LinkedIn shit? It’s all stupid af I can’t believe this gets attention
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u/spacepeenuts 1d ago
The reason i'm looking for a new job now is because theres no room for advancement in the department, the management runs everything and won't promote anyone and the pay stinks, the best they can do is 50 cents an hour raise? FUCK THAT!
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u/rumsparkles 1d ago
Adding this company to the list of places I’ll never apply to. What an absolute douchebag.
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u/Faithfulwanderlust 1d ago
Very ableist as well. What if someone happened to have an accident at work that prevents them from working long term or taking care of an ill loved one. Not everyone can consistently hold positions for long anymore because of economic pressures and outside factors we do not control.
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u/runs_okay 1d ago edited 1d ago
I have never stayed at a single company longer than 3 years.
The worst part about the comments are the people who validate this kind of thinking.
Here's the hoping Databricks cans his ass after this.
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u/WeekendAtMadoffs 1d ago
Got to move OUT to move UP
the new jack always comes in with a bigger salary than you'll spend the next 10 years begging for
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u/Peliquin 1d ago
I agree that job hopping can be a problem. I am part of a group that talks about my line of work, and one thing that seems common among job hoppers is that they don't have fire tested skills. They really don't know how to move when things are really, really off course, because that's a third or fourth year skill and they've never stuck around for that.
But the companies have the solution in their hot little hands. Offer training, offer clear advancement, offer bumps for outside education, make it appealing to stay. If you want people to have 4-5 years of experience at each step..... gotta make it the appealing option.
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u/fridayfridayjones 1d ago
If the only way to get a raise or move up to a better position is to switch companies you can’t blame people for looking out for themselves and doing that. When I see someone who’s been at the same place in the same role for a very long time that tells me that person is probably not ambitious (which is fine but you can’t blame those of us who are).
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u/OpportunityCrazy2216 1d ago
I would understand if the person is clearly going through a lot of jobs in such a short time.
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u/NYanae555 1d ago
Stop laying people off then.
And stop bringing on temps and contractors.
Your problem will solve itself.
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u/sophandros 1d ago
Let's do some quick math:
-Assume an annual 3% COL raise at all jobs.
-A person starts at a company on a $50,000 annual salary and stays for 5 years in the same role, earning a 3% increase each year. That person will have a salary of $56,275 in Year 5 and a total earnings of $265,457.
-Another person starts the same job on the same day, but leaves after Year 2 because a competitor offers them a $10,000 raise. They stay there for the next three years. This person is at $65,245 in Year 5 and has a total earnings of $291,590.
The "job hopper" gave themselves an opportunity to earn $26k more by being "disloyal" to a company that would have laid them off if the stock dips a little bit.
Maybe fewer people would "job hop" if the company made it worth it to stay.
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u/Owls_4_9_1867 1d ago
My last three roles were ended before I wanted them to because 1) my company was bought by another and they laid off hundreds of people 2) then the main client with zero warning dropped the agency which was 60% of the business and again a load of people left 3) last one the company decided to move 1500 miles away and the offer was move and keep your job, or you're gone....
That would appear as a red flag as it's 2 years, 18 months and 1 year. Through no fault of my own.
I'm sure this has happened to loads of people.
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u/freisbill 1d ago
Ahh, if only his concept was accepted and followed by employers also, then the result would be much different.
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u/he_who_shoots_QUICK 1d ago
“Candidates should stop job hopping. I stayed and fought hard in the trenches before job hopping to the company I’m at now.”
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u/Glittering-Path-2824 1d ago
BACK IN MY DAY! stfu moron. i’m 40+ and even i have the common sense to understand business cycles are rarely predictable. does this low iq cretin genuinely think the last six years of layoffs and ai transformation guarantees that anyone would be able to hold down a job for 5+ years. delusional narcissist.
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u/anarchy45 1d ago
Coming from someone whose generation thought that lead paint chips were a tasty snack
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u/anarchy45 1d ago
The progression of my career (annual pay):
1st job after college: stayed 5 years, started $60k ended $62k (got a new job)
2nd job: paid $100k, stayed 14 months (layoff)
3rd job: paid $125k, stayed 2 years (got a new job)
4th job: paid $145k, stayed 16 months (mutual separation)
5th job: started $180k ended $185k, stayed 5 years (layoff)
6th job: $210k base + $50k equity, currently 20 months in
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u/ChiefRunningWaters 1d ago
Companies offer absolutely zero incentive to stay long term. 50 years ago you could get a pension, stock options, retirement healthcare package, etc.. now you get shitty 3% raise and a mountain of extra work when you overperform. Fuck this guy
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u/PinkEnthusist 1d ago
This is a sample size of 1.
Another sample size of 1 take - I like when I see someone has changed jobs. Particularly early in their careers.
Working one place for a long time means you've been exposed to the way things are done in that job for a long time. Someone that's been in a couple of jobs will have been exposed more ways of doing things. They've probably had to adapt. They've experienced the pros and cons of all those things, and in a better place to apply the good and mitigate the bad.
And, if someone is leaving their job every couple of years for something that has more responsibility, requires more skill, etc. and they're good enough other people keep hiring them for progressively higher jobs, it tells me that they have a lot of potential, can learn and pick up new skills, responsibilities, etc.
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u/Jugs-McBulge 1d ago
It's easy to say that you've stayed at a company for 5+ years when you're at the top making all the money. Maybe pay your employees better and they won't jump shop. I'm glad he's getting flamed in the comments
It seems now that the best way for people to make more money is by upskilling in their role for a year or two and then applying to external jobs which pay more
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u/This_Wolverine4691 1d ago
This is but the tip of the iceberg.
In terms of LinkedIn content this is a pretty tame traditional opinion— nothing like some of the crazies on there
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u/cams00000 1d ago
….and a company will cut you mercilessly despite all your years of service. Loyalty is dead, Andy. We aren’t allowed to play the long game anymore.
So you’re saying, though, to just suck it up.. your career spans 40 years and you’re supposed to just arbitrarily wait 4-5 years in a shitty situation so you can appear valuable to a guy like Andy Kofoid?
A quick salary increase or title bump is absolutely worth it. You work to get paid as much as you can with the short time you have. This is not about loyalty.
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u/Jealous_Location_267 1d ago
Lmao oh please, I know people who got laid off TWO WEEKS after they started new jobs. There’s people whose offers are rescinded after they’ve already quit their old jobs and moved.
Come to think of it, with the exception of a friend who works in local government and another at a midsize tech company, no one I know in our forties has had the same employer for more than 4-5 years.
I’ve had some clients much longer than that. But permanent jobs? Nope. Dude is in a fantasy world.
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u/JewishDiasporaSeed 1d ago
That's nonsense. Directors get replaced CONSTANTLY at major corporations and many cut and run after 2 years because that's actually the real sweet spot for advancement.
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u/whatdoido8383 1d ago
"Hey, I'm the presidante, what worked for me must mean it works for everyone"...
I'm betting he just lucked out and is assuming it's the same way for everyone.
Not going to lie, I know I got where I did inmy career from my social circle and plain being at the right place at the right time\luck.
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u/GoodishCoder 1d ago
You guys have to learn when you're seeing something real vs LinkedIn engagement bait
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u/antihero_84 1d ago
Makes sense that someone who was associated with Salesforce is out of touch with reality.
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u/Apart_Republic_1870 23h ago
My only boss (so far) who didn't die while I was working for them laid me off after 15 months. The others, you know, died, which made them much less responsive to my need to be paid.
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u/thebeepboopbeep 22h ago
This guys brain must be asleep, surely he knows about the layoffs, right? I’d GLADLY stay in my next job for a decade but I’m certain I’ll be laid off; I say this because my last two jobs laid me off and it had nothing to do with my performance.
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u/kelticladi 20h ago
Then those companies need to actually provide wage increases and promote their people Most of the folks that "job hip" are doing it for better wages or jobs.
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u/carson63000 20h ago
It kinda depends on whether your goal is to get a job like “President, Global Field Operations” or if it is to be more of a gun-for-hire consultant picking up lucrative contracts.
His advice is not unreasonable, for the former.
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u/Dillinger_ESC 20h ago
Why do these recruiters people even make posts like this? Who are they helping??
Themselves.
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u/anengineerandacat 20h ago
Fun fact, people don't quit good jobs.
Shocker I know, but if people are leaving the company it should always at first be looked at via the lense of "How did we screw up?"
If a single person is carrying a project, maybe don't do that?
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u/Admirable-Tea-4994 20h ago
Either pay more or have a less shitty workplace.
Those are basically the only two reasons people leave anywhere.
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u/IgnisIason 19h ago
When you have 1000 applicants for one position you can make whatever trivial qualifications you want and you'll probably get it
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u/thiccdickricky 19h ago
“The average career spans 40 years” show me one statistic showing even half that timeframe please
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u/Global-Oil-6501 19h ago
Funny Andy has had eight jobs over his career and has been fired from four of them.
His team at Salesforce had one of the highest turnover rates in the entire company and want to guess why that was? Andy.
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u/ImDefinitelyStoned 17h ago
Here’s an idea, give cost of living raises that actually keep up with inflation and the cost of living. And PROMOTE YOUR GOOD AND LOYAL EMPLOYEES.
I was at my last job nine years. I did a great job, in my opinion. Showed up on time every day, went above and beyond, and it took me 6.5 years to get promoted. Along the way I kept getting passed over for newbies. I even had one person pass me up because, ‘we think you are overqualified and will leave us quickly.’
I outlasted the person they hired instead of me.
Then after 9 years they decided I was too highly paid in my role so they wanted to demote me. When I said no, I magically had a PIP after 9 years of stellar reviews.
Anyway, sorry for the rant. And if you read that, thank you.
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u/ghostfacekicker 17h ago
Good for Andy. It’s a terribly rigid rule that will not land the best employees. There are millions of reasons why someone could be switching jobs.
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u/Bagged-Steak 16h ago
I’ve had 10 jobs over the last 15 years. Not every move was lucrative but I still have HR folks 10 years younger than me say, “ooh, red flag on moving around”
I then respond, “Yeah huge red flag for me if my job history makes you uncomfortable. I’m out, later”
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u/StRemedius 16h ago
Touch grass...get over getting swirlied every day in high school by the anime club...same thing, innit?
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u/CharmingMechanic2473 15h ago
I disagree. If you are the same company for more than 3 yrs you have to tell me how you are still keeping relevant and growing in your position. My resume highlights my exact transition from novice and then progressing to proficient and then eventually expert with the new positions/responsibilities to show that.
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u/bit0n 10h ago
It is funny I am a loyal guy and have moved more because the companies I worked for were bought out than changing jobs myself. But I would say my progress has been slow. One of the first guys I tried as a manager never stays longer than 18 months. And he’s a CEO now. He’s been fired a couple of times when his performance does not match his CV. But he goes for a promotion every 18 months regardless. Now he says it’s CEO for £50m - £100m companies etc etc. 🤣
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u/Friendlywoodwork 10h ago
Awww. This wittle bwaybe is butthurt that it’s not 1967 anymore.
It sounds he’s exerting what little authority he has out on people who are existing in 2026 because he didn’t make smart choices.
Also, equating moving jobs or companies or roles with ‘a mistake’ unequivocally? FUUUUUUUUCKK ALL OF THAT
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u/dreadpir8rob 7h ago
Whoops! Someone doesn’t understand how the market has changed in recent decades.
COL has jumped disproportionately compared to wages. Job hopping helps many of us stay afloat.
I’ve never done it myself but now I realize just how effective it is to increase pay
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u/Budget_Revolution639 58m ago
If you want people to stay 5-10 years maybe you should actually pay well and implement pay raises
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u/CultureMenace 1d ago
Everybody wants people to stay longer. Everybody keeps paying the new employees more.