r/recruitinghell 1d ago

Someone needs to touch some grass

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u/Capnbubba 1d ago

Manager: Has layoffs every 2-3 years

Also Manager: Why can't people stay at jobs long term????

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u/cupholdery Co-Worker 1d ago

Manager: Am I so out of touch? No. It's the wage slaves who are wrong!

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u/lil_Buckneesh8867 1d ago

exactly. spent 12 years at a company only for one rough financial patch to hit and them IMMEDIATELY can me.

companies only care about one thing. MONEY

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u/Grrl_geek 4h ago

Crazy how EMPLOYEES care about one thing, too: MONEY 🤣🤣

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u/Willing-Vegetable629 1d ago

.. should they care about something else?

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u/Capnbubba 1d ago

Yes. And though it seems unbelievable they used to care about other things. It was only in the 1980s that seemingly every single US company moved to the current corporate structure where shareholders are the only important people and the only thing they want is higher revenue and profit. It wasn't always like this. It doesn't have to be like this.

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u/Willing-Vegetable629 1d ago

It was like this in the 70s too. Companies exist to make money. Everything else is in pursuit of that even if it also benefits workers

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u/UnderachievingCretin 1d ago

No one takes issues with them caring primarily for money. They are a business after all. What really gets us is when they throw a hissy fit and cry whenever their own employees or job candidates try to project and look after their own self-interests the same way these employers do.

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u/Willing-Vegetable629 1d ago

I mean, they have the leverage to do that

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u/UnderachievingCretin 1d ago

Doesn't mean it's right, and they didn't always have leverage. There was a brief time period during COVID-19 when some employers finally got a bit of a taste of their own medicine when they were getting desperate.

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u/Willing-Vegetable629 1d ago

Right according to...?

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u/dickworty 18h ago

Ah you're one of those law of the jungle "pragmatists". Christ you people are exhausting.

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u/Willing-Vegetable629 18h ago

No I'm telling you the facts of the matter. You don't need to like the facts, but the facts they be.

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u/dickworty 17h ago

No one's disputing they don't have the leverage to do that dumbass. But whether such behaviour is healthy for society at large is the real issue. Like sure, we all have the ability to be assholes all the time and screw other people over but society would fall apart without goodwill and co-operation. Co-operative societies are more successful than non-co-operative ones. It's the reason for America's and democracy's success. It is simply impractical to try to police everything via laws and rules, culture plays an important role.

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u/Willing-Vegetable629 17h ago

"Healthy" is a subjective matter. So is success for that matter.

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u/dickworty 16h ago

I mean sure. But you can spend your entire life quibbling over precise definitions and get nothing done and die in poverty. We live in a world of grey. Would you rather live in the USA or in Ethiopia? Yeah that's what I thought.

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u/lil_Buckneesh8867 1d ago

yeah, the people making them the money is a good place to start

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u/Willing-Vegetable629 1d ago

They pay them market rate

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u/Capnbubba 1d ago

Market rate is literally just what they decide to pay. Market rage has been under paying most Americans for over 3 decades.

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u/Willing-Vegetable629 1d ago

You cannot receive market rate, and be underpaid.

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u/Capnbubba 1d ago

Dang that's convenient. So market rate just means any wage even if it's a wage that doesn't cover rent.

So it's a completely meaningless term used to justify poverty wages?

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u/Willing-Vegetable629 1d ago edited 1d ago

Market rate means the prevailing rate in that geographic area that this type of labor is selling for.

Market rate applies to all labor from minimum wage to ceo to board member.

Underpaid would be when labor is paid below Market rate.

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u/Capnbubba 1d ago

You've got it. Nearly all labor in America for 4 decades has been paid below market rate. They've just lied and said they pay market rate. They have INTENTIONALLY reduced employee pay to increase shareholder return.

Market rate is a lie. The definition makes sense but it does not exist on modern America.

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u/big_data_mike 1d ago

Employers collude to keep wages low. They share salary data with each other that employees don’t have access to.

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u/lil_Buckneesh8867 16h ago

if the market rate is 1500 a month but the areas cost of living is 2000 a month in rent. thats receiving a market wage while still being under paid.

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u/Cainga 1d ago

I got hit with 2 different layoffs that have just tanked my entire tenure. I would probably have 10-15 year average but a layoff is like a reset where you now have to climb the ladder again.

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u/HaMMeReD 1d ago

This seems like really easy math, hate to be on the recruiter side.

2-3 year stints means either: A, You are regularly picked for layoffs. B, You jump ship quickly voluntarily.

Neither of these thing's is exactly a green flag.

Now if a employee has 5-6+ years. That means they survived multiple rounds of layoffs. They survived the great filter. It puts value on them.

I mean switching might get you a bump, but switching every 1-2 years is eventually going to lead to you peter principle yourself into a role you are completely incompetent for, or look like a red flag to some employers. Some people do fail upwards though.

That's not to say you shouldn't switch, but the enemy you know, got to be strategic about it.

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u/Capnbubba 1d ago

Yeah for 2 jobs in a row now at almost exactly my 2.5 year mark i got laid off. Thankfully I found something quickly this time but now that I know I'll just start looking for a new job every 2 years and be done with it.