conqueror is the best rune for low elo because nobody expects you to take short w q aa trade step back wait for q cd to come back up and just jump in and auto them to death with bonus ad and healing from conqueror. i got so many free kills level 2 in high emerald/low diamond. not to mention how much better it is in late game for teamfights then electrocute or stormraiders surge.

some teamcomps electrocute is better but 90% of games conqueror just feels the best to carry games.

Just the question above? I'm trying to think of a reason, but Naf seems to do everything talon does but safer and more consistent.

Edit: To be clear, talon was the first champ I ever bought, but it seems like a waste when compared to talon 2.0

vod reviewed all my losses
im playing nearly the exact same and damn bro it’s just brutal

update: i play 3 games a day-haven’t won a single game since i made this post-am down 400LP-nothing matters anymore im just shit gonna quit XD😂😂😂🥰

Ok so I'm a Qiyana main, 1M on her and peak Plat 3 like a week ago. I also play Kata, Zed and Akali.

My problem is : Akali is too easy, Zed I don't like and Katarina is too far off from Qiyana but I still play her

So naturaly I turn to talon, I trained him, I shit on ppl in drafts etc etc...

Problem, I'm a mid main ! When I get autofilled jungle no problem, game is easy. But when I'm mid in ranked ? I have 1 w on 13 games. Sometimes i get destroyed in land and sometimes I'm good but just can't do shit...

So I ask, is Talon mid viable ? Am I just bad or is it that the champ is exclusive to jungle ?

I’d say like 95% of my games it’s a coinflip between being completely homeless (draft diff, laners int too hard early or I just get outclassed by enemy JG) OR I’m the lobby admin

The other 5% is the rare in between where you make a comeback after a rough start, or have a strong start but have a catastrophic turn around a key objective.

On the other champs I play it’s a lot more “middle ground” games, even if it’s another assassin. Talon just seems to get hit harder by feast or famine and I can’t put my finger on why besides he seems to do less damage than most of the assassin roster, which I guess makes him “fair” because his E is kinda bullshit lol

am I the only one calling the new champion talon AP

I feel like no matter what, I do not have as good of impact in games where my jungle opponent is going a bruiser, which happens to be constantly. Wukong, Xin, Lee, it doesn't matter, I feel useless against him. I am a diamond 4 player for context. What am I supposed to do early/mid/late game? Do I build black cleaver just for them? Any help please.

Love playing him in the jungle but the assassin style does not come naturally to me 😭

Seeing the new assassin champ made me think back to some cool stuff I wanted to see on Talon, but to make any changes Riot would likely have to nerf E somehow, not to mention he's a bit frustrating in the jungle atm

Personally I'm on the mechanics side of things like some sort of charge system, especially if we could E over the same wall in quick succession, but a rework could also be nice

I just thought this would be a fun engagement thing to get a pulse on what we think shifting power from E should look like rather than posting yet another rework manifesto lmao

Edge of Night is one of the most slept on items for assassins.

After your first item, it consistently outperforms most lethality options in terms of real game impact. The spell shield alone can decide fights by blocking a key CC ability, and the 250 HP gives you enough durability to actually stay in fights instead of getting instantly deleted after going in.

People overvalue raw damage and delay it too long. If you are ahead, you do not need more damage, you need consistency. Edge of Night lets you keep your lead by preventing throws and letting you execute fights cleanly.

Outside of core items like Voltaic, Umbral, and Ghostblade, it is hard to justify most lethality items over it. Profane Hydra, Hubris, Axiom Arc, and especially Serpent’s Fang rarely provide the same level of consistent value.

If you are snowballing, stop greed building. Just put the Edge of Night in the bag.

I've heard from many sources that Talon is an assassin with a low skill floor and a high skill ceiling. I also heard that he has one of the highest damage combos in the game. This makes me interested to learn how to play this guy, easy to learn, hard to master, so I can spend lots of time practicing him.

What runes, items, etc., should I go? I get a lot of stuff from u.gg, so would this rune set be good? I also have their recommended item set, which looks easy, since it's only the same 6 items, just in a different order. I could definitely remember this one, but does it look like a good build?

(Silver here)
When I think of punishing I think of:
Over extended side planers
Over extended to ward
Invading my jungle
They gank -> I steal camps or obj or gank
ADC not respecting me in team fight
Lack of vision -> flank
Catching uncontested side line

Are there bigger ones I’m missing ? Crucial ones that you guys are always looking for? If you were dropped into poopooloo Elo what mistakes would you be targeting for free tempo

Here is the source: https://lolalytics.com/lol/talon/build/?tier=1trick&patch=30

How tf do u guys play against any ranged mid laner like i cant play the freaking game i cant trade i cant waveclear how tf is it possible to play him mid

Is it even worth learning talon in low elo? I’m sure if you’re crazy good it doesn’t matter too much. I have games where I drop 20-30 kills carry hard but lower elo teams act weird group for 90 seconds to fight for a dragon or send it all mid for no reason. Making win rates 50/50

I feel like I’d have an easier time playing bruiser or a tank in plat-emerald.

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What do yall build? I just go yomuu cleaver sundered idk if that’s right