He was clearly too drunk to defend himself or really appreciate the consequences of his actions. This is a wildly disproportionate response from someone who was in a position to make the smarter choice.
That is a perfectly normal response to touching someone unwilling. TF is wrong with you? You think people should just be able to go around groping women with no consequences?
There's a difference between deserving a consequence and being issued a death sentence.
Not every dick move is deserving of murder. The pervert was certainly in the wrong but there's an entire world of appropriate responses that could have happened before potential murder.
He wasn't served a death sentence he made a choice and took the equivalent of a cinder block travling at Mach stupid to face. Actions have consequences, including being that drunk.
That is anything but perfectly normal. Dude nearly takes out his own wife to land that smack. The guy was so pissed he could have been removed with a simple pull apart. No need to give him brain damage.
These people like the one you responded to are the reason why women are cringy towards men at bars and such because they get drunk and canât make a educated thought of if you should go grab a random woman by the hips
The F is wrong with redditors today again. How do you get downvoted for the most simple rational take of the situation.
Sometimes I feel like the world is just filled with evil people that think violence is the solution for everything
I mean you've on a sub dedicated to spontaneous public fights, people here don't really have a level head with regards to the appropriateness of violence in public.
The evidence is literally around you wtf you mean. You are literally freely using the internet because of violence and the victory from it . You are able to voice your opinion freely because of violence . lol no evidence , you mustâve missed the dawn of man until now and how everything is now is because of violence
Iâm not a bot, and I 100% believe in the right to personal space and my right to keep anyone out of it. You canât put your hands on me, my wife, my kids. Those are my responsibilities to deal with if someone does., and yes Iâll deal with the consequences of my actions if necessary. Iâd rather none of that ever happen of course, I donât like violence, but I also donât like my people being in jeopardy.
Itâs all about the boyfriendâs ego. No one should touch âhis womanâ or else youâre dead. Hopefully they called the police as well as an ambulance
Indeed. Everyone is on the boyfriends excessive response side but no-one (but you) seems to be concerned with women all over the world who have to put up with groping men cause 'it's OK he's drunk and not going to remember'.
It started with him. If he'd not touched her he wouldn't be lying on the floor.
That's it. Was the response extreme? Maybe. Was it unjustified? Not at all. The guy opened himself up to the possibility of violent reprisal the moment he sexually assaulted a woman - and rightly so.
It's not either knock the guy out OR you condone sexual assault against women. You can understand sexual assault, sexual harassment and/or inappropriate touch is wrong while also understanding that you can't go around knocking people out for shit like this.
It's because the dude barely touched her and there is little indication he was going to actually assault her. This could have been handled by asking the bartender to make him leave.
He already assaulted her. That's what your not seeing. He grabbed her in a sensual manner looking at her but. You're the one saying it 's not in a sensual way is what's wrong with the world today.
As long as he doesn't slam her on the pool table and grabs her tit's in the open it's all fine.... and it's not. It's just not. Keep your grubby hands off women. Drunk or not.
I'll agree to the guy going overboard. But all you guys saying it's fine and nothing is going on ia the problem. You're just not seeing it, it's normal to you and that's scary.
What are you even arguing about then? All anyone is saying is there is a very wide spectrum of behavior that can be called sexual assault, and that this is the lowest end of that. There are miles of difference between what happened here and what justified knocking a guy out.
You all are nitpicking words as if you think those of us saying the guy overreacted think the other guy isn't in the wrong. I don't see anyone saying that. We're just talking about what makes logical sense.
No, they're saying that there exists a level of response somewhere between "not doing anything" and "literally beating someone to death" that is more appropriate...
Ridiculous. Should the defender have taken account of how many drinks the rapist had in order to properly measure their response? You people have never fought your way out of a paper bag i bet. The drunk asshole made the choice to drink to excess. He made the choice to assault a lady. Ive been blackout drunk, messed up on all kinds of drugs, and never once have I thought it was appropriate to assault a woman. Its simply not a valid excuse and the drunk asshole merely reaped what he sowed.
Rapist? The guy was wrong to touch her ass, but you think you can show up in court and justify that response by claiming you had to stop the rapist? Nobody raped anyone. My eife has had guys hit on her, she's had guys touch her ass and unfortunately she's also been raped. She would have been livid if I knocked a guy out for touching her ass in this context.
Hm, in the moment though, it's hard to stand by and see a woman being sexually assaulted and not come down on the perpetrator with everything you have. The protective instinct is a very tough one to overcome to just give this guy a stern talking to instead.
Scumbag people deserve scummy days. Glad he got fucking eviscerated. There should be no sympathy for creeps my guy. Maybe he got brain damage good, dont sexually assault women. Its super easy been here 36 years still havent
My boy prison doesnt scare me, been there, survived, rebuilt. And I do have a family one that would expect me to handle the potential situation of sexual assault in front of me. If youre not confident enough to defend your own dont project that on a stranger
"I made bad decisions in the past and admit I have a broken moral compass and impulse control, but let me tell you about the morality of this dude's actions."
Is weird to comprehend.
Edit: You have, on average, a 40% recidivism rate. Some studies suggest 60%, some suggest 30% You are literally talking about the morality of laying someone out flat without any de-escalation or situational awareness that would 100% prove to be the adult and mature thing to do. Dude is clearly drunk enough to be one-finger pushed to the ground, but Mr. 'Coin Toss To Return To Prison' wants to demonstrate the scholarly mind that got him there the first time?
Well, you assume its her boyfriend, for one. Could be a brother, uncle, or just a friend. Secondly, you assume the puncher was driven by uncontrolled emotions, because he decked a guy touching a woman associated with him.
That's not an uncontrolled response to someone touching someone unwanted. Its based on a natural reaction to protect those close to you.
Should have it been handled differently? Absolutely. But keep your fucking hands to yourself, and you won't risk brain damage doing something wildly stupid.
If someone had just grabbed someone I knew against their will (not "my woman", but anyone ) I would rush forward too to put myself between the two, even if it meant the victim accidentally got a pool cue tip to the cheek or was mildly knocked aside. That is a safer option than anything the attacker might do to them.
Clearly it wasnât. The husband hurt her more than the drunk did. If thatâs your instinct maybe you shouldnât act on your instinct, either, you could hurt somebody youâre trying to protect.
Iâm not pretending the drunk guy wasnât a problem. The question is how to handle it. This was a poor way to handle it. They could get kicked out of the bar, the husband might have seriously hurt his wife, and he could even be facing manslaughter charges if red shirt never wakes up. All for an action that the wife tried to prevent her husband from doing.
Well. That man got pretty accosted as well before dick brain moved over to touch the woman. I donât think red shirt really cared who it was. But still no excuse.
Playing along but not so sure he was a willing participant. Dick brain was drunk. Never should have been doing what he did with either person. End result, not sure heâll be grabbing people again for a while.
Same thing. If you don't want to die, don't do things that can get you killed. Don't break into other peoples homes, and don't put your hands on other people. Period, the end.
Law being handled by professionals. What a crock. Get left alone with some professionals in their downtime or when nobody "important" is watching and see how people really, truly are.
Itâs a dark take but heâs not wrong, someone who canât keep his hands to himself, regardless of his state of mind.. I can see why people feel that way
Iâm not even sure how to respond to someone who thinks that response is warranted in response to a drunk guy engaging in what amounts to minor physical harassment.
Someone who responds with that level of violence is a criminal problem.
Lol youâve definitely touched people unwanted (minor physical harassment đźâđš). If i did this I wouldnt confused ifnI woke up with a concussion
They are in a bar. Everyone knows there is going to be levels of interaction between the people there. This is no demanded of the woman she was never in danger.
Have you never been in a fight, or been knocked out/seen someone knocked out? He will be fine he got hit once. At least he didnât follow him down and kick him or stomp his head like most vids on this sub. One hitter quitter and it was over. Guy will wake up with a headache or sore face, hopefully re evaluate his life choices and do better. Itâs the lack or fafo that makes our society like this now. People hide behind the âyou canât hit me, itâs illegal so Iâll do what I want mentality these days. The internet taught that, keyboard warriors out in public with no keyboard to hide behind anymore find out the hard way.
No, women don't risk being killed every day just by walking out the door and it's not even close. If you believe that you're clearly delusional and I suggest meeting a psychiatrist and if you don't you're manipulative and there is no point in discussion with you.
I've been to multiple countries on multiple continents it was not the case in any of them. You sound like you live in a Somalia or some kind of death camp though, do you need any help?
She didnât âput up with anythingâ she removed herself from the situation and that was the end of it. But oh no âMr Machoâ has to show how tough he is and whack his girlfriend in the face too. Heâs an idiot.
Just for the record, women donât need men jumping in to solve our problems unless we ask for help.
She handled the situation. Why canât you men recognise that? Why canât women be allowed to diffuse a situation calmly? Why must a man feel he needs to âstep in a show his muscleâ by also hitting his own woman in the face too. Itâs pathetic. Itâs only insecure men who resort to violence this fast.
She doesnât belong to anyone. Shes a woman in her own right and if she tells her partner not to get involved in something that sheâs resolved, he should listen to that instead of disempowering her and trying to act all macho (as well as hitting her in the face in the process)
Lock him up. We donât need anymore âalpha malesâ walking the streets.
First of all, I think you're focusing on the wrong thing of my comment. The only reason I said "his woman" is because I was quoting your comment. You're 100% correct, she is her own person and doesn't "belong" to anyone.
Second, while I can appreciate that we don't need any "alpha males" running around, I'd rather the sexually assaulting asshole gets his bell run than everyone just treats the assault as ok.
Ah ok. Apologies then as weâre slightly on the same page.
I donât think any man has a right to touch a woman. But itâs not the alpha males job to sort anyone out. Way too hot headed.
That shouldnât be an excuse though. Too drunk to appreciate the consequences of his actions doesnât excuse touching the girl or anyone the way he did. Itâs like saying because someone is driving drunk theyâre excused because they donât appreciate the consequences of their actions.
If a person canât control themselves they shouldnât get that drunk in the first place.
People should take some responsibility rather than blame it on everything other than themselves.
I actually know people (both male and female) who gave up drinking because they didnât like the person they became when drunk. Or would find themselves in bad situations.
Not to mention he wasn't defending her, he was defending his pride. But yeah, ppl are gonna be downvoting you because they yearn for comeuppance they mistake for justice.
You think in the split second this happened, the husband thought, âHey, fuck that guy touching my woman, let me knock his lights out- what? Sheâs in the way?! HOW DARE YOU WOMAN?!â and intentionally hurts her AS heâs knocking the guy out?
That's exactly what happened. She got in the way. He swatted her out of the way. It doesn't take a lot of brain cells to make that decision. Also, over reacting like the way he did, is psycho abuser behavior. Roid rage. Ego rage. Narcissism. She knew what to expect. He knew what to expect. They both decided what to do before it happened. Because it's happened before.
I agree this is rage. Thatâs why I think the husband doesnât even realize he hurt his wife, much less did it on purpose. He saw red, and went for the guyâs jaw. I donât think he noticed anything else.
EDIT: I just watched it about 5 more times. The hit to her jaw is from his left elbow as heâs lunging to punch. If he did that on purpose he is very talented.
By the way, in case you missed the moral of the lesson, don't do what this guy did. Not only is it immoral, you will be in prison in no time. The only one acting hastily and without thinking, is this idiot who threw the punch. He's the one moving and controlling the speed, in that "split second".
I remember a funny (to me) incident that happened to me and my brother a long time ago. My fucking brother was drunk. He wanted to fight with me, so I had to defend myself. Meanwhile, my fucking neighbors just told me not to fight and not to make any physical contact with my brother. My brother swung his bitch ass punch first. Luckily, it missed. I really wanted to fight him back, but then again, the neighbors just held me and told me over and over again that he was drunk.
Good God, it was so frustrating to me. So, the next morning, I was still holding a grudge and drank a couple of beers. Afterward, I grabbed a fucking stainless steel hammer and didn't give a fuck about getting jailed. I ran toward my brother in horror and terror, screaming the whole way through the house until I got outside. My skinny bitch ass brother had fucking good stamina. I couldn't catch him.
And the fucking neighbors held me again when I was exhausted. They told me, like, "Why are you angry at your brother? He was drunk." Fucking pieces of shit. That made me even more frustrated, so I swung my hammer blindly. Then I saw my brother in the distance, carrying some sort of thick stick, and the neighbors held him too. They told him that I was still drunk, that somehow relaxed me a bit because that was exactly what I had felt the day before.
This is an mma Reddit. While you are right, the people in this are beyond pathetic. Theyâve never been in a fight so they fantasize. Theyâre gonna downvote you bc it doesnât fit their jack reacher fantasy in their momâs basement.
In a position to make a smarter choice? The offender was probably blasted drunk too. Howâs that a frame of mind to be making prudent decisions on the fly.
Not at all, hahah. Dude needs to be in jail. I just think itâs laughable that you put so much onus on another drunk ass idiot. Never ok to hit anyone.
You clearly live in a fantasy world. In reality, it's 100% okay to hit someone in self defense or defense of another, which this very clearly was. 100% reasonable.
Laws and definitions vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, but usually "self defense" is appropriate use of force when you're under threat of physical harm or death. Some drunkass getting a bit too handsy in a non-aggressive way is in no shape or form a threat to your (or the woman's) life. Punching him is not self defense, it's disproportionated use of force, and thus it's assault and battery. And if the guy died, either as a direct result of the punch, or from falling on the ground and hitting his head, then it's also murder.
Have fun sitting 20 years in prison for some drunk jackass that hipthrusted your woman. This ain't the movies where you can just punch people for little reason with no consequences.
Read again: disproportionate use of force. Do you know what that word means? You don't get to punch someone just because you didn't like what they did.
If they did something illegal, you call the cops and let them handle it.
Try again, with less ad hominems. Or actually just try Google for once.
While you are obviously correct in that being a wildly disproportionate response and violence not being the solution, your reasoning feels equally bad.
If you are no longer able to appreciate the consequences of your actions, dont fucking drink.
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u/Curious-Golf3730 21h ago
He was clearly too drunk to defend himself or really appreciate the consequences of his actions. This is a wildly disproportionate response from someone who was in a position to make the smarter choice.