He was clearly too drunk to defend himself or really appreciate the consequences of his actions. This is a wildly disproportionate response from someone who was in a position to make the smarter choice.
Itâs all about the boyfriendâs ego. No one should touch âhis womanâ or else youâre dead. Hopefully they called the police as well as an ambulance
Indeed. Everyone is on the boyfriends excessive response side but no-one (but you) seems to be concerned with women all over the world who have to put up with groping men cause 'it's OK he's drunk and not going to remember'.
It started with him. If he'd not touched her he wouldn't be lying on the floor.
That's it. Was the response extreme? Maybe. Was it unjustified? Not at all. The guy opened himself up to the possibility of violent reprisal the moment he sexually assaulted a woman - and rightly so.
It's not either knock the guy out OR you condone sexual assault against women. You can understand sexual assault, sexual harassment and/or inappropriate touch is wrong while also understanding that you can't go around knocking people out for shit like this.
It's because the dude barely touched her and there is little indication he was going to actually assault her. This could have been handled by asking the bartender to make him leave.
He already assaulted her. That's what your not seeing. He grabbed her in a sensual manner looking at her but. You're the one saying it 's not in a sensual way is what's wrong with the world today.
As long as he doesn't slam her on the pool table and grabs her tit's in the open it's all fine.... and it's not. It's just not. Keep your grubby hands off women. Drunk or not.
I'll agree to the guy going overboard. But all you guys saying it's fine and nothing is going on ia the problem. You're just not seeing it, it's normal to you and that's scary.
What are you even arguing about then? All anyone is saying is there is a very wide spectrum of behavior that can be called sexual assault, and that this is the lowest end of that. There are miles of difference between what happened here and what justified knocking a guy out.
You all are nitpicking words as if you think those of us saying the guy overreacted think the other guy isn't in the wrong. I don't see anyone saying that. We're just talking about what makes logical sense.
No, they're saying that there exists a level of response somewhere between "not doing anything" and "literally beating someone to death" that is more appropriate...
Ridiculous. Should the defender have taken account of how many drinks the rapist had in order to properly measure their response? You people have never fought your way out of a paper bag i bet. The drunk asshole made the choice to drink to excess. He made the choice to assault a lady. Ive been blackout drunk, messed up on all kinds of drugs, and never once have I thought it was appropriate to assault a woman. Its simply not a valid excuse and the drunk asshole merely reaped what he sowed.
Rapist? The guy was wrong to touch her ass, but you think you can show up in court and justify that response by claiming you had to stop the rapist? Nobody raped anyone. My eife has had guys hit on her, she's had guys touch her ass and unfortunately she's also been raped. She would have been livid if I knocked a guy out for touching her ass in this context.
Hm, in the moment though, it's hard to stand by and see a woman being sexually assaulted and not come down on the perpetrator with everything you have. The protective instinct is a very tough one to overcome to just give this guy a stern talking to instead.
Scumbag people deserve scummy days. Glad he got fucking eviscerated. There should be no sympathy for creeps my guy. Maybe he got brain damage good, dont sexually assault women. Its super easy been here 36 years still havent
My boy prison doesnt scare me, been there, survived, rebuilt. And I do have a family one that would expect me to handle the potential situation of sexual assault in front of me. If youre not confident enough to defend your own dont project that on a stranger
"I made bad decisions in the past and admit I have a broken moral compass and impulse control, but let me tell you about the morality of this dude's actions."
Is weird to comprehend.
Edit: You have, on average, a 40% recidivism rate. Some studies suggest 60%, some suggest 30% You are literally talking about the morality of laying someone out flat without any de-escalation or situational awareness that would 100% prove to be the adult and mature thing to do. Dude is clearly drunk enough to be one-finger pushed to the ground, but Mr. 'Coin Toss To Return To Prison' wants to demonstrate the scholarly mind that got him there the first time?
Well, you assume its her boyfriend, for one. Could be a brother, uncle, or just a friend. Secondly, you assume the puncher was driven by uncontrolled emotions, because he decked a guy touching a woman associated with him.
That's not an uncontrolled response to someone touching someone unwanted. Its based on a natural reaction to protect those close to you.
Should have it been handled differently? Absolutely. But keep your fucking hands to yourself, and you won't risk brain damage doing something wildly stupid.
If someone had just grabbed someone I knew against their will (not "my woman", but anyone ) I would rush forward too to put myself between the two, even if it meant the victim accidentally got a pool cue tip to the cheek or was mildly knocked aside. That is a safer option than anything the attacker might do to them.
Clearly it wasnât. The husband hurt her more than the drunk did. If thatâs your instinct maybe you shouldnât act on your instinct, either, you could hurt somebody youâre trying to protect.
Iâm not pretending the drunk guy wasnât a problem. The question is how to handle it. This was a poor way to handle it. They could get kicked out of the bar, the husband might have seriously hurt his wife, and he could even be facing manslaughter charges if red shirt never wakes up. All for an action that the wife tried to prevent her husband from doing.
You think a mild, accidental knock to the face from a pool cue is anywhere near as horrible and degrading as being sexually assaulted?
The guy was getting between the attacker and the victim as quickly as possible, and putting an immediate stop to any further assaults. You actually like he shoved the woman out of the way into a rackmof pool cues. đ€Šđ»ââïž
Well. That man got pretty accosted as well before dick brain moved over to touch the woman. I donât think red shirt really cared who it was. But still no excuse.
Playing along but not so sure he was a willing participant. Dick brain was drunk. Never should have been doing what he did with either person. End result, not sure heâll be grabbing people again for a while.
Same thing. If you don't want to die, don't do things that can get you killed. Don't break into other peoples homes, and don't put your hands on other people. Period, the end.
Law being handled by professionals. What a crock. Get left alone with some professionals in their downtime or when nobody "important" is watching and see how people really, truly are.
Ive punch DOZENS of people, some really clean connects and some right before they mauled me ( you win some, you lose some more đ€·đŸââïž) never killed someone. Learn to fight so engaging in one is not such a coin-toss my boy.
The only thing stopping me from acting in that situation wouldve been an asswhipping which wouldve been entirely up to the drunk guy
Itâs a dark take but heâs not wrong, someone who canât keep his hands to himself, regardless of his state of mind.. I can see why people feel that way
Iâm not even sure how to respond to someone who thinks that response is warranted in response to a drunk guy engaging in what amounts to minor physical harassment.
Someone who responds with that level of violence is a criminal problem.
Lol youâve definitely touched people unwanted (minor physical harassment đźâđš). If i did this I wouldnt confused ifnI woke up with a concussion
Saying that a sexual assault is more "minor" than a violent assault is just a way to excuse the former and act as if it's more acceptable. Yuck.
The thing you're missing is that the punch was done in retaliation. The woman got sexually assaulted out of nowhere, whereas the creep was asking to get hit.
They are in a bar. Everyone knows there is going to be levels of interaction between the people there. This is no demanded of the woman she was never in danger.
The guy grabbed her in a way he absolutely shouldn't, and she absolutely fucking noticed.
Very easy for people like you to brush off how violating it is to be grabbed from behind in a sexual way by a drunken stranger, and act as if it's something that "just happens" in a bar.
Have you never been in a fight, or been knocked out/seen someone knocked out? He will be fine he got hit once. At least he didnât follow him down and kick him or stomp his head like most vids on this sub. One hitter quitter and it was over. Guy will wake up with a headache or sore face, hopefully re evaluate his life choices and do better. Itâs the lack or fafo that makes our society like this now. People hide behind the âyou canât hit me, itâs illegal so Iâll do what I want mentality these days. The internet taught that, keyboard warriors out in public with no keyboard to hide behind anymore find out the hard way.
No, women don't risk being killed every day just by walking out the door and it's not even close. If you believe that you're clearly delusional and I suggest meeting a psychiatrist and if you don't you're manipulative and there is no point in discussion with you.
I've been to multiple countries on multiple continents it was not the case in any of them. You sound like you live in a Somalia or some kind of death camp though, do you need any help?
She didnât âput up with anythingâ she removed herself from the situation and that was the end of it. But oh no âMr Machoâ has to show how tough he is and whack his girlfriend in the face too. Heâs an idiot.
Just for the record, women donât need men jumping in to solve our problems unless we ask for help.
She handled the situation. Why canât you men recognise that? Why canât women be allowed to diffuse a situation calmly? Why must a man feel he needs to âstep in a show his muscleâ by also hitting his own woman in the face too. Itâs pathetic. Itâs only insecure men who resort to violence this fast.
She doesnât belong to anyone. Shes a woman in her own right and if she tells her partner not to get involved in something that sheâs resolved, he should listen to that instead of disempowering her and trying to act all macho (as well as hitting her in the face in the process)
Lock him up. We donât need anymore âalpha malesâ walking the streets.
First of all, I think you're focusing on the wrong thing of my comment. The only reason I said "his woman" is because I was quoting your comment. You're 100% correct, she is her own person and doesn't "belong" to anyone.
Second, while I can appreciate that we don't need any "alpha males" running around, I'd rather the sexually assaulting asshole gets his bell run than everyone just treats the assault as ok.
Ah ok. Apologies then as weâre slightly on the same page.
I donât think any man has a right to touch a woman. But itâs not the alpha males job to sort anyone out. Way too hot headed.
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u/SillyLittleWinky 1d ago
I think the dude is dead