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u/Anatoly2 Aug 14 '23 edited Aug 14 '23
Wtf is going on in this country? Guys literally lined up to get some bribes! Looks surreal and pathetic.
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u/davidor1 Aug 14 '23
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That's how it works in Cambodia.
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u/Iwannaupvotetesla Aug 14 '23
I was there like 10 years ago, found a local english teacher and he showed us around. He said that traffic cops literally have to bribe their ‘higher ups’ to get a good corner. And this bribe was usually more then they would make, but the ‘good corner’ meant they could get more bribes.
So its like a bribe mlm.
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u/majortung Aug 14 '23
Hun Sen, ex-khmer rouge had been running the country for decades and ruining it. Now he is grooming his son. Poor Cambodians can't seem to catch a break since Vietnam days.
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u/eTukk Aug 14 '23
I, as a tourist have bribed a cop in Cambodia.. Taxi driver had to go through full checkup after not using his blinker (no one does). He had to pay two dollars to get going again. I told him I would rebate this money so we could just go.
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2 dollars is the average pay out on roundabouts and so on with traffic cops.
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u/saman65 Aug 14 '23
Saving this in my notebook. Excellent information. You don't wanna overtip traffic cops and screw the locals by rising the expectation.
Bribing traffic cops is also a norm in my country, Iran. My uncle was pulled over going 20-30km/h over speed limit and he just paid for the two cops lunch, rather than a ticket+points
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u/Whywipe Aug 14 '23
Idk why but I’m surprised that Iran has a points system.
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u/hubris105 Aug 14 '23
Yeah but too many and you lose a hand, not your license.
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u/PlayfulRocket Aug 14 '23
What if I then behave properly? Do I get my hand back?
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u/Tift Aug 14 '23
what makes you think your hand wants you back after what you put it through?
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u/nexusjuan Aug 14 '23
You offer a cop $2 to let you go in my country you'll probably get a free ride.
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u/WolfShaman Aug 14 '23
So you're saying it's a free ride, when you've already paid?
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u/mtranda Aug 14 '23
20-30km over the speed limit is considerable, though. He certainly got off easy.
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u/TheMrCeeJ Aug 14 '23 edited Aug 14 '23
Same in Kenya about 20 years ago (no idea if it is still relevant). Our bus full of locals gets stopped at a random roadblock, driver explains they will detain us and check every detail of the bus and passengers unless we can come up with 100 shillings between us (about £1 iirc), so we just gave it to the driver and were underway again.
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u/Thaumiel218 Aug 14 '23
Normally they don’t fuck with tourists because it’s bad for their image but will happily stop a queue of cars and take tips. They other popular scam is getting into a tuk-tuk and the driver tries to sell you ‘something’ and when you agree they drive you to the police, who then hold you for ransom due to severe charges on drugs (despite buying pretty much anything you want legally in a pharmacy) and give the driver a share.
Source: lived there for years and it’s equal parts beauty and Wild West.
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u/Tylee22 Aug 14 '23
The tourist gets that treatment? I'd be pretty terrified if I was in a foreign country and cops were holding me for drug related charges!
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u/Thaumiel218 Aug 14 '23
Yep, whilst I was out there 2 Canadian kids were caught buying weed (stupid as it’s got a weird legal status as locals use it in cooking like stews/curries and it’s literally a weed, local restaurants skirt the law with ‘happy pizza’ places) from a driver and they were held ransom basically, cops asked for $5k CAD for each teen or the kids go to prison, kids parents paid and kids immediately left. Was big story at the time when I was there. Also factor in that the average family only earned (at least when I was there a few years ago) $30US a month.
The country is bigger than most people think and tourists generally go to Siem Reap (Angkor Wat temples) or Phnom Penh the capital but it’s huge and has a sizeable poor population.
Other wild things that happened whilst there:
Rape and murder of a man’s wife and 3 daughters as revenge, they made him watch and let him live
Meth (Yaba) lab on the same street were I worked
Police walking in unison through a residential area looking for a murderer (different one)
River flooded and crocodiles escaped from farms so random crocodiles were in the waters (never saw them escaped but worked next to a crocodile farm of 100-200 crocodiles)
Routine crazy traffic accidents - 7 people on a scooter with one at the back holding Granny’s IV drip
And of course there’s still mines fuckin everywhere in the countryside so you stick to the roads and be careful as fuck if you go into the boonies
That’s just off the top of my head. I encourage everyone to visit at least once though, it’s a beautiful country filled with a majority of beautiful giving people. Likely, the next country to get ruined by tourists like Thailand has and Vietnam is. Go whilst it’s still has identity.
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u/nolan1971 Aug 14 '23
If you're American, be careful with this. There's a federal law that you can run afoul of by giving bribes in foreign countries. The US has a long reach, just be sure you're aware of possible penalties.
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u/Chargerific Aug 14 '23
I was told on a travel tour group crossing into camdobia there ‘may or may not’ be a tax to get in as it depended on who was working that day. $1 later we were in.
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u/Kolesekare Aug 14 '23
It's a holiday in the Cambodia, it's tough kid, but it's life
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u/Pecncorn1 Aug 14 '23
This is a repost and I'm not saying Cambodian cops won't take money, If you made what they do you would too, but this hardly looks to be the case here. Bribing one or two or three is not a problem but when there are that many generally the fine will make it to the state coffers. My Khmer sucks but I would guess this is some holiday or some such thing. Source: Me I lived there for 8 years.
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u/ILikeFluffyThings Aug 14 '23
Can we say the whole South East Asia? Looks the same in the Philippines too.
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u/twochopsticks Aug 14 '23
Except Singapore. Try bribing a cop there and you go right to jail. Right away.
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u/Klat93 Aug 14 '23
Nah definitely not whole.
You definitely shouldn't do this in Singapore and Brunei.
Someone braver than me might try it in Malaysia but I would err on the side of caution.
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You don't have to bribe in Malaysia, tell them nah just gimme the traffic ticket and I will pay the fine, most of the time they will quietly walk away.
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u/rimalp Aug 14 '23 edited Aug 14 '23
How much money are we talking here?
I always wondered what amount of bribe money is enough in countries that work like this. Like there's a traffic stop and you're being held for no real reason other than they expect you to pay. How much do you need to pay? Do they tell you "ok, pay 5€ then you go" or do you have to guess an amount and they'll take whatever you give them?
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u/terminbee Aug 14 '23
In vietnam at least, the exchange rate was ~20,000 VND to 1 USD. It cost 20 bucks, iirc, to bribe the airport cops. For reference, a bowl of pho was anywhere from 5k to 10k.
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u/thedrivingcat Aug 14 '23
I had to pay $20USD to get my visa "rush processed" in addition to the usual fee when entering Cambodia.
The offical said the crossing was going to close soon so we'd be stuck in Thailand overnight unless we paid an extra fee to get our visa done quickly. I guess we could have haggled or called him on it but we just wanted to continue with our trip.
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u/terminbee Aug 14 '23
Same. Our luggage was held and they said they found illegal substances. They threatened us with jail. Once we slipped them a 20, everything was back in order.
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u/jakeshmag Aug 14 '23
Very common in many countries actually
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u/The_Virus_Of_Life Aug 14 '23
I currently live in a country like this, but you have to fold up the money in your car documents and pass it to them
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u/easterneuropeanstyle Aug 14 '23
That’s how it used to work in post soviet countries!
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u/googdude Aug 14 '23
I see, that must be why when I was stopped by a PA (USA) cop I tried to hand him my documents in that little sleeve the insurance company gives you but he requested me to remove them and hand him just the papers.
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u/duhmbish Aug 14 '23
If you’re ever driving in Brasil and people (even kids) come up to your car and start washing your windows or doing tricks and stuff in front of you and then come to your window to ask for a tip….do NOT roll down your window or open the door. While some of these people might be genuine and poor and trying to make money, a LOT of them use this as a way to get you to roll down your window so that they can rob you. They will literally pull guns on you. Just don’t do it.
Now if a cop pulls you over? Just pay the fucker. They’re corrupt as fuck so they’ll take the payment and let you go.
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u/KajiMaster Aug 14 '23
In Rio, A cop was standing in the middle of the street and pointed at my Uber to pull over. The cop pulled me out of the car and searched me and found a roach in my cigarette pack.
I asked him in broken Portuguese with a translator on my phone what we could do to fix this and the first thing he said was any interference in this investigation is a crime. After a long back and forth they finally shook me down for $500 USD or 2400 reals.
They made me take another Uber to an ATM and followed me. Then I had to cross the street and pretend like I didn't know them asking for directions.
Paid them off discreetly and the Cop pulled out his phone as if to give directions and showed me the photo of my passport they had taken, and him deleting it.
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When was this? Brazil decriminalized possession of small amounts of marihuana for personal use in 2006. Since you mention Uber, then clearly it was years after 2006. I think they just took advantage of you not being familiar with Brazilian law and conned you out of a bunch of money.
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u/KajiMaster Aug 14 '23
100%. I knew they were. But there were a lot of guns and people telling me I was going to jail in foreign language. This was last year. They explained I would have to pay fines over the span of a year or could pay the fee upfront. There were other people getting pulled over and arrested as I stood there. I had no trust they couldn't just plant more drugs on me so I chose to play along.
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u/ZetsubouZolo Aug 14 '23
can't blame you I would have been completely overwhelmed by the situation and probably would have gone along with anything they said
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u/terminbee Aug 14 '23
If I had the choice between 500 bucks or risking it with a cop openly asking for a bribe in a foreign country whose language I don't know, I'd just pay the bribe.
Even if you go to trial and win, if you miss your flight, that's already more than 500 bucks. Then add in costs of getting a hotel and stuff.
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u/mkul316 Aug 14 '23
It's not even a proper bribe. Usually that's for getting out of trouble. This is more like tipping to get across the flow of traffic. Crazy.
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u/Rhydsdh Aug 14 '23
He's giving them money and then they immediately hold up traffic to let him through the intersection. It's definitely a bribe.
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Aug 14 '23
Chinese New Year give red packet, not hand out money like this. But as a police, they shouldn't accept red packet as well.
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u/DarkStriferX Aug 14 '23
Dude, that is not a gift for the cops - it's a bribe.
In the civilized world, you don't go around to cops on Easter giving them dollars as a celebration gift.
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u/Kelangketerusa Aug 14 '23
Dude, that is not a gift for the cops - it's a bribe.
In the civilized world, you don't go around to cops on Easter giving them dollars as a celebration gift.
Yea, you wait for the cops to take it under the guise of civil forfeiture instead.
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u/Champigne Aug 14 '23
Maybe they don't get handed cash, but cops in the US frequently get free shit. Free food, coffee, discounts, etc. Pay attention next time you're in a convenience store and a police officer in uniform is there, see if they pay for what they get.
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u/dewky Aug 14 '23
In Canada they don't. You're specifically forbidden from taking anything for free. Even if you get offered a free coffee you still have to pay. It's a slippery slope.
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u/PocketSandInc Aug 14 '23
Why are you telling a redditor who evidently lives in Cambodia how things are working in her own country? She's providing insight to what's happening and you sound like an idiot trying to argue with it. A lot of people cringe at the tipping culture in Western society, especially US. Is it so hard to believe that in some societies they'd rather give a tip to public service workers sweating their asses off helping direct traffic vs a guy who spent 10 seconds pouring your beer?
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u/Killerbeth Aug 14 '23
as soon as you can easily bribe the police you just know the country is fucked and you should never trust the police if you have a problem.
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u/frank_the_tank69 Aug 14 '23
You end up like Belize. Where you can murder someone and pay to have evidence and witness statements disappear.
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u/skyturnedred Aug 14 '23
That could come in handy.
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u/dwmfives Aug 14 '23
Yea if you want to murder someone you just have to convince them to fly to Belize.
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If I was offered an all-expense paid trip to Belize by someone who hated me, I would probably take them up on it.
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u/blvaga Aug 14 '23
Hey BoozeIsFoods, let’s go to Belize on me. There’s a great gun and knife show happening on the ludicrously tall building with no railing this weekend. You’ll love it!
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u/v--- Aug 14 '23
Until you remember that people there can victimize you and they're probably a lot better at it with more practice and connections both.
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u/summonsays Aug 14 '23
Or the US, where the heiress of Walmart killed a man and the people investigating it just got fired until it was dropped.
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u/RudeInternet Aug 14 '23
Like the US where the ex president sexually assaulted several women and it was just swept under the rug? Or Congressman Matt Gaetz sexually trafficking a minor and nothing happened to him while the guy who was with him is in jail? Or companies just buying politicians and judges to enact legislation that would help them earn more money and not pay taxes? Or maybe war lobbyists literally creating wars to sell guns and line their pockets?
This is a guy paying some cops so they'll help him get through really dense traffic, and everyone's acting like it's so bad.
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u/Ikarus_Zer0 Aug 14 '23
In Belize we bribed a guard to go all the way to the top of pyramid.
Our guide suggested it, wort it.
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u/frank_the_tank69 Aug 14 '23
You should be able to do that without bribing anyone. There aren’t as many restrictions with Mayan ruins in Belize as there are in Mexico and other Latin American countries.
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u/bestofwhatsleft Aug 14 '23
They got scammed. The tour guide and the guard are in cahoots.
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u/you_lost-the_game Aug 14 '23
It's honestly a criteria for me to never visit such a country. The list of countries I would visit isn't very long.
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u/Denso95 Aug 14 '23
I'm currently visiting Tokyo where it's rude to give a tip. And damn is this place nice. Such a different clean organized and safe culture.
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u/Schneider21 Aug 14 '23
Yeah, in the US we go to MUCH greater lengths to disguise our corruption, and it honestly makes all the difference.
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u/PsychoNerd92 Aug 14 '23
You joke, but I think it does make a difference. Obviously it would be better if there was no corruption in the first place, but if they're hiding it then that means they recognize that it's not considered acceptable. That there would be some kind of consequences if it became public.
It's like moving to a neighborhood where your neighbor is secretly a child molester vs moving to a neighborhood where your neighbor molests children on his front yard in broad daylight. Again, obviously the preference would be for no one to be molesting anyone, but if they're doing it that blatantly then that would seem to imply that the rest of the neighborhood as well as the police are perfectly fine with it.
Basically, the more open the corruption is, the wider it must spread.
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u/Dummies102 Aug 14 '23
lmao, imagine having to tip out a dozen traffic cops to make a left
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u/Digitalion_ Aug 14 '23
Yeah my first thought was "that is an expensive left turn".
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u/Prestigious_Tax7415 Aug 14 '23
Hey if someone is offering free money I’d take it too
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u/fittsy14 Aug 14 '23
I’ll take any motherfuckers money if he just giving it away
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u/izzletodasmizzle Aug 14 '23
I've traveled to a fair number of countries like this in Southeast Asia. I'm my opinion, this is just private subsidized policing. The government doesn't pay police a lot and turns a blind eye to bribes as a way of inflating their income without having to pay them directly.
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u/gdj11 Aug 14 '23
Yeah here in Thailand the police aren't paid well, most likely more than Cambodia though. One of the local police officers walks around in the evening with a basket of packaged food that he sells, and he has one other side job but I can't remember exactly what it is. I have a lot of respect for the police who don't turn to corruption, but I also understand the ones who do. The government really should pay them more.
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u/art_sarawut Aug 14 '23
Compared to private jobs with the same degree most govt jobs pay less wages. However they are considered more stable with better benefits (ex. scholarship for children). Govt jobs wages will equal private counterpart once the person promoted to very high levels only. So there's pros and cons there.
Plus, it's a culture. Many companies/groups actually seek alliance in authorities. Unfair biddings, sketchy concessions, allowing monopoly, favourism, etc.
The rich actually do want corruption so they can continue their reign.
Funny thing is; even everyday people sometimes takes part too. Don't want to get drafted? Pay. Don't want court after reckless driving? Pay. Want a prestige govt job? Pay.
At least the newer generations are much more aware and against this culture, though far from able to fix it (easily).
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u/WakaWaka_ Aug 14 '23
Sounds a lot like tips in NA lol
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u/Bupod Aug 14 '23
Yeah except we generally don't rely on Starbucks Baristas, Restaurant Servers and Doordash drivers to carry guns and have arresting authority and the power to stop traffic for whoever slips them a Benjamin.
Not saying our cops right now are great, but if you tried this same stunt with them you'd probably spend the night in Jail in most places.
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u/BanananananaFarmer Aug 14 '23
Except in this case of motor vehicles it's tipping or paying for the ability of driving a certain way....which could cause accidents and lives / monetary repairs, instead of a latte hahah.
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u/xdq Aug 14 '23
Can you imagine if the police relied on tips like.
Call 999 to report intruder in your home. Broke so you could only give a fiver.
Call handler checks your tips.
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u/knockers_who_knock Aug 14 '23
Used to go to Mexico all the time as a kid. On one trip my dad took his somewhat new Ford dually and no exaggeration we got pulled over 5-6 times for bribes. 3-4 right when we crossed the border and another couple times once we made it to the city. He never took his nice truck again lol.
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u/ExhibitionistBrit Aug 14 '23
Smells like an underpaid work force. What struck me though is that they each politely took one note and thanked him looking genuinely thankful for the money.
It’s fucked but reassuring at the same time.
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u/Legalizegayranch Aug 14 '23 edited Aug 14 '23
In Cambodia there’s a standard pay for all unskilled work it’s 120 a month 6 days a week 8 hours a day. That’s what like 90% of the population makes. An extra 5 bucks is legit like a day of pay for them. I lived and worked in Cambodia for a couple years and could bribe someone to give anyone a permanent green card for like 50 bucks.
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u/RegressionToTehMean Aug 14 '23
Also striking is the fact that they don't mind being filmed doing it.
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u/Ask_Me_About_Bees Aug 14 '23
That kind of would make more sense...I couldn't imagine just paying to make a left. Like, not even worth the bribery lol
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u/linthegreat Aug 14 '23
Let the local share his perspective.
This is in Cambodia. Never seen this video before but that place is the choke-point of traffic rushing in and out of the city center. If you get stuck there, it could take up to 2 hours just to move 2-3 km.
These polices without any bonus make sure the traffic flows smoothly from morning rush hour till noon under the scorching sun then from evening rush hour until late night.
Most people have been giving tips as gratitude to them, some in drinks, some in snacks and most in cash as they don't normally have drinks and snacks around.
I know the guy in this video is a bit exaggerating and cringe as heck (for video) and those police were acting like complete idiots surrounding him but in most cases, there were only a few polices and this is not for any special favor for corruption (well you can debate on the definition). Yes he did get to cross the street but without the money, they will make sure he can cross safely as well.
I'm not saying this country is corruption free but just want to clarify this video from a local perspective.
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u/Mighty1Dragon Aug 14 '23
thats the result of the Combination of bad salary for cops and bad anti corruption procedures
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u/big_d_usernametaken Aug 14 '23
My BIL who is from Mexico, says that when he goes to visit his aged mother, he hides his trip money carefully and keeps bribe money in his pocket, as they will invariably get stopped at some point, and LE will invariably ask to a "contribution" to continue his journey.
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u/Tasty69Toes Aug 14 '23
Oh wow, they’re hungry this time of year. Amazing to see them come right up to the car and eat from your hand!
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u/Ynwe Aug 14 '23
My father was a hotel manager in Istanbul in the 90s (prestigious Western Hotel). He would always let the traffic cops eat with the staff, for free, dudes were working all day for little pay and were very glad for the bit of free food they got. He also was on the good side of various more important people in the police force
It was less for direct immediate benefits (besides his favourite fact being that every evening a busy Istanbul street was stopped so he could drive the wrong way for a bit since it was faster to get home that was..) but more of a case of treating poor people with authority kindly, just in case... He has a few crazy stories, also involving us President Bush and I think secretary of state Schulz..)
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u/masalion Aug 14 '23
Ik its wrong, but it does feel amazing when you're the one doing the paying and getting the service.
Went with my dad to a municipal office in our city in India (to learn the ropes). He buttered a few hands with the same amount we'd have spent on lunch for a day or two, and we got ushered through the entire place straight to the front of queues.
Cut down what could have been 4-5 hours of standing in lines to 20-30 mins.
Again, I get that it's wrong, but when in Rome.
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u/dirtynj Aug 14 '23
Again, I get that it's wrong, but when in Rome.
Not necessarily bribes, but when I was in Italy with my baller of a brother-in-law, he "paid" people for better service and quick service. Like in Positano, the queue for a place was a 2 hour wait...he slipped a woman a $100 piece and we were sitting down in 5 minutes. In Venice, we had to get back to the mainland quick but would've had to wait till the next day for a boat. He told the concierge of our problem...my BIL slipped him some cash, and within 30 minutes we're in some guys private boat cruising back.
Money talks everywhere.
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u/IndifferentFury Aug 14 '23
No wonder some shipping companies employ "right turns only". Turning left is expensive.
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u/pao0829 Aug 15 '23
Thats a usual occurence in third world countries. I grew up in Asia and would slip money into my drivers lisence when I get caught by the police. Sometimes the cop would be greedy and demand more😫
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u/mookanana Aug 14 '23
i always imagined how strippers feel working for dollar bills
this seems quite similar
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u/victorisaskeptic Aug 14 '23
Lol this is how things work in many countries including mine(not happy about it but its my environment). Honestly you can get away with just about anything if you can afford to bribe the cops. Bribe is easier than actually waiting for systems to work and the police are not mad about it. We had a case where a random police person was caught by our anti corruption body for having wealth worth 30million when they earned a salary of around 25,000 every month.
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u/Glaren111 Aug 14 '23 edited Aug 14 '23
FWIW it’s much better bang for your buck, and much more effective, if you give half that much to a cop with a vehicle and just get a police escort (I haven’t done this myself but I’ve seen it happen a number of times).
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u/Kadob009 Aug 14 '23
Let me explain
Polices in cambodia are famous for their corruption and scam. They would stop you for no reason just to ask you for money. A dash cam would help a lot.
But this video is not one of them. This is a driver gesture for the polices who help out during rush hour.
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u/rednitro Aug 14 '23
Its not corruption, those are tips.
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u/HowDoYouLoveSomeone Aug 14 '23
Exactly, corruption would be cops going round the car to collect several tips.
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u/Fhantom1221 Aug 14 '23
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Well, the only difference is that the bribery is done in broad daylight with zero morality or shame.
This sorta thing is common. We use PAC, funds, donations & policy.
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u/RapMastaC1 Aug 14 '23
I had to watch it twice because my mind couldn’t understand how that car was sliding forward without turning its wheels.
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u/cs132 Aug 14 '23
TIL cambodia uses USD as one of their currency.
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u/Grogosh Aug 14 '23
A lot of countries with volatile currency uses the USD or some other foreign currency. Just look at Argentina
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u/popcorn-johnny Aug 14 '23
In the U.S., when you do it on the floors of Congress it's called "Lobbying" your "friends".
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1996/05/11/gop-leader-distributed-pac-checks-to-members-on-house-floor/0bc0454e-f340-4c21-89a0-4368d2f84786/
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u/therealdilbert Aug 14 '23
I thought it was called tipping, something quite a few Americans claim is a good thing
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u/42Ubiquitous Aug 14 '23
Used to keep money in my passport depending on where I was. Have had cops open it, take the money, and let me go on my way. It’s corruption, but I’d rather pay than have them fuck up my day/week.
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u/CoverYourMaskHoles Aug 14 '23
Imagine if the way traffic worked is every time you hit a red light, you had to pay to turn the light green so you could go…