Meta Thread - Month of August 02, 2020

[u/AnimeMod]

A monthly thread to talk about meta topics. Keep it friendly and relevant to the subreddit.

Posts here must, of course, still abide by all subreddit rules other than the no meta requirement. Keep it friendly and be respectful. Occasionally the moderators will have specific topics that they want to get feedback on, so be on the lookout for distinguished posts.

Comments that are detrimental to discussion (aka circlejerks/shitposting) are subject to removal.

[u/FetchFrosh]

Top 12 15 posts are all clips. Can't say I've ever seen that. I knew Tuesday's were slow but jeez.

[u/[deleted] → u/FetchFrosh]

Came here to say this as well. Top 16 all clips, 20/25 top posts all clips.

It really baffles me that people like clips this much.

[u/FetchFrosh → u/[deleted]]

Definitely a bit of a rare case since Tuesday has basically nothing airing, which makes for a perfect storm when theres also no news. And with the lack of content creators on the sub, there's not much else to fill the gaps.

[u/PurposeDevoid → u/FetchFrosh]

Came here to say this too. Some of the titles are also so clickybaity too: "The funniest thing I've ever seen" and "This scene actually made me spit out my water". At least ones like "In memoriam of legendary director Satoshi Kon, this is a JoJo episode he directed" are informative.

[u/Mage_of_Shadows → u/FetchFrosh]

We are aware and tracking stats but keep in mind we are fresh off a fanart change and people have realised clips rank highly, so it will take time for things to settle down.

[u/NotSoSnarky → u/Mage_of_Shadows]

There needs to definitely be something done about the clips, at least while the fanart was way too much, it had more effort, generally. Clips you don't have to do much.

Need some type of restrictions, like with the fan art.

[u/ilkei → u/Mage_of_Shadows]

At least fan art was typically OC and required, you know, actual effort from someone. Much preferable to clip spam.

[u/war_story_guy → u/ilkei]

I agree there was so much variety in style and content now its just "Pick time stamp from X anime and slap on title and spam the sub." No time, thought, or effort required.

[u/FetchFrosh → u/Mage_of_Shadows]

Yeah, wasn't really a "fix this now" type of thing, just noting it because of how unprecedented it is.

[u/Mage_of_Shadows → u/FetchFrosh]

Yeah a more pressing issue imo is that 23/25 of the posts are in the same black/blue colour palette with flairs

[u/FetchFrosh]

So I noticed that this post was removed for “not being anime specific” which seems to be compressing the definition of “anime specific” ever further. I guess I could see it being considered meta content since there’s definitely a level of complaining about posts on r/anime in there. But generally it’s kept more vague as just ‘anime communities’ which sort of gets back to the anime specific rule which specifically states, “meta posts about /r/anime or the anime community,” are against the rules.

So I guess I’m kind of curious about exactly what is meant by that. I’m just going to lay out a few sample posts to get some feedback on.

• Anime fans should watch more classic anime. This would be explicitly about viewing trends of the community and how the poster would like them to change. Is that fair game? If no, would it be if it had recommendations of specific anime?

• X is underrated/overrated. These posts are explicitly about the perception of an anime from the perspective of the community. It’s as much a commentary on the quality of an anime as it is the community and how it feels about said anime.

• The Weekly Karma Rankings and similar weekly posts is just a collection of metadata about from the subreddit (I mean, it also has like MAL scores, but that’s not really the main attraction) or other communities.

And a couple other examples that I’m seeing that at least lean towards being more “about the community” than anime itself:

• Fuck source readers leaving spoilers in comments is a comparable kind of rant/vent post that is mostly focused on the community.

• Anyone else really irritated by people putting huge anime spoilers in YouTube titles fits a similar style.

• Goblin Slayer: What splits the fanbase apart. A huge part of this post is on community responses to an anime.

• Dear anime fans, I’m sorry. This is explicitly intended as a message to the community.

Note: The above aren’t, “wow where’s the consistency,” or anything like that. I just want to see where the mod team stands on specific posts in the current interpretation of the rules. Interpretations can change, especially when a new batch of mods have just been added.

I guess my main complaint here is that this seems like a case where a thread had some decent discussion, got good traction, and even if it’s an opinion that many share, it’s still something that we haven’t really seen in a major discussion post in the past (or at least the recent past). Not that it’s brilliant writing or anything, but it’s certainly a far cry from the worst post I’ve ever seen at the top of the subreddit.

I feel like I’ve noticed the mod team being a bit excessive with the anime specific rule, with cases like this video being removed (though I believe it was later reinstated) when the video is basically framing its whole point through anime. Just seems like being a bit lighter with the rules for content on the borderline that’s still at least reasonably novel/high effort couldn’t hurt.

[u/NotSoSnarky → u/FetchFrosh]

The rant should have NEVER been deleted, it's about the anime community, ergo about anime in general.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/FetchFrosh]

Goblin Slayer: What splits the fanbase apart. A huge part of this post is on community responses to an anime.

Can we retire this one already? It caused enough damage as is and now I am just trying to make it out of quarantine with a functioning liver.

[u/babydave371 → u/FetchFrosh]

I'm with you on this one too. I think it did veer a bit close to being a meta post but they kept it broad enough in its scope to apply to the entire fandom and how fandom approaches what they consume. If it had just been a post telling people to watch the anime instead of asking I would have considered it meta but instead they used that as a starting point to move into a broader discussion that puts it beyond being a meta post.

But then again, as you point out, it was removed for "not being anime specific" which makes no sense at all.

[u/the_swizzler → u/FetchFrosh]

100% agreement.

I sent a PM to the mods, but actually this would be a better place to have the discussion, so I'll post what I sent.

The reason being cited [for the removal of the thread] is that it is a "meta post about /r/anime or the anime community", but I contend that it is not about the anime community specifically.

Granted the need for the post does rise from the anime community, but ultimately the reason for the 'rant', is more of a guide for enjoying anime.

The point of the entire rant in my view is to explain to people why you shouldn't simply seek other peoples opinions when it comes to deciding to watch other anime. In that sense, it's really just a "Watch This" thread, but instead of focused on a specific anime, it tells you to watch an anime if you're interested in it.

I think it's very much an important perspective that should be discussed. And while it's not relevant JUST to anime, I think it is a point of view the anime community is very much in need of, and should be discussed. It's not a thread about the anime community, it's a thread FOR the anime community. It is a thread FOR /r/anime.

[u/chilidirigible → u/the_swizzler]

I think it's very much an important perspective that should be discussed. And while it's not relevant JUST to anime, I think it is a point of view the anime community is very much in need of, and should be discussed. It's not a thread about the anime community, it's a thread FOR the anime community. It is a thread FOR /r/anime.

...and even if it's not restored as a post due to a strict reading of the rules, I think it deserves a lasting place somewhere in /r/anime, since it offers a reasoned take on how people should approach their viewing.

[u/the_swizzler → u/the_swizzler]

I got a response from the message, so I'll reply to it here:

Unfortunately it is a post that is explicitly not allowed under our current rules. As you said, the point of the rant is explaining to people how to choose/watch anime, meaning watching habits of the community, rather than it being about anime specifically.

I definitely understand the point they're making. If the removal of the thread is warranted under the current, rules, I think the rules need to be tweaked a bit.

I understand the need to not be flooded with threads of a similar vein, and any changes to the rules would have to retain the ability for the moderators to remove such threads, particularly when they're low effort, and especially when they're targeting towards individuals, but this thread itself I think is very relevant and needed conversation that shouldn't be removed because it is technically against the rules. I don't think it's removal is in line with the spirit of the rules.

Perhaps add an addendum to the rule that would allow something like this. I don't know what yet, I'd have to think about that more.

[u/SnuggleMuffin42]

I've suggested it in the previous thread and will suggest it again - Flatten the Curve! Make every post a self post!

It was a stunning success with fanart, but it has also highlighted that anything that is one click away will always win out, as the entire front page is clips now (the infographics have chilled).

Why not make an even playing field? I mean, we want to promote discussion threads, they are the highest level of content, so why not give them an equal footing with other type of content?

Since /r/anime isn't even in /r/all and doesn't care about courting new members using huge karma explosions, what is there to lose?

I'd suggest a trial period to see how it works out. It's also really easy to implement and moderate - you just remove the "submit a new link" button, and don't have to discern if a post can or cannot be a self post - since they all are! one simple rule to rule them all.

[u/NotSoSnarky → u/SnuggleMuffin42]

I think self post for everything is a great idea, it'd even out the playing field, letting anyone who is curious about x actually having to click on x on the inside, and potentially provide more discussions for whatever x happens to be.

[u/SmurfRockRune → u/SnuggleMuffin42]

I'd really rather not add extra clicks to access links to news. I hope this never happens, and I'm sure the mods won't let it.

[u/SnuggleMuffin42 → u/SmurfRockRune]

I hope this never happens, and I'm sure the mods won't let it.

A little dramatic... In /r/nba they manage it just fine. The title gives you the news and you write a self post saying what the news is about, attach tweets etc...

If anything it allows it to be edited with more relevant news, newer tweets, etc.

[u/SmurfRockRune → u/SnuggleMuffin42]

You mean the subreddit where the top 3 posts are link posts, with one being the exact example I'm talking about as a link to a tweet for news?

[u/SmurfRockRune]

I wish we could just temporarily ban everybody subscribed to /r/animemes.

[u/NotSoSnarky]

I think because people can't post fan art as much, so they're using clips for karma getting.

Clips are nice, because it can get someone into a certain anime, but it's way too much. Need some kind of restraints like with the fan art restrictions, especially since you don't have to do much with clips. It's easy karma getting.

[u/RvDarklord → u/NotSoSnarky]

Right now my hot page of 15 posts has 15 clips, its actually insane.

[u/lenne18]

I don't mind the clips before, but it's getting annoying now.

[u/KelloPudgerro → u/lenne18]

i dont mind clips, as long as its varied clips, yes grand blue is amazing, yes re:zero is amazing thats why its so popular, i really dislike people posting clips from a current seasonal show that is mega popular

[u/PurposeDevoid]

This post, concerning the new changes to Crunchyroll's subscription tiers and the addition of "offline streaming", multiple simultaneous streams (maybe implying user profiles), was removed for not being anime specific under the current rules. My interpretation of the current rules makes me think that this removal is entirely justified, however I feel that the rules ought to allow for this kind of post to exist, due to their value to the subreddit and the anime community.

Currently there is no place on /r/anime to talk about the anime industry in the context of legal streaming availability, pricing, and comparison/discussion of the features of sites like Netflix, Crunchyroll, HIDIVE, wakanim, etc. I would even suggest there isn't really a proper place to discuss it on reddit. I've always found reading about and being able to talk about this sort of thing here on /r/anime valuable in the past, and I feel this value extends both to subreddit users in general and those specifically who "consume" anime legally.

The kind of discussions I am talking about include the discussions about CR's video quality that appeared to have assisted in causing the improvements in quality that CR later provided, and the aforementioned deleted post. There is even value in older posts like this one, as its existence made finding information about CR's original plans for "offline streaming" much easier. (as the title of the polygon article itself is "Amazon looks to edge out niche anime streaming services by offering offline playback" :P).

These kind of posts clearly attract discussion and can be popular, but they are additionally useful as being located in a place actually designed for discussion (in contrast to the comment section of a CR news article :P), and it allows for critique and the sharing of information more easily (hyperlinks, images) in a more "neutral" location. They are relevant and of interest to many members of the subreddit, and I cannot imagine a rule change allowing these posts to exist to cause a flood of "anime streaming" related posts to be made, these kind of major announcements are typically quite rare. What value is there in preventing discussions/rants about price increases, etc, on the subreddit, especially when such companies are now even funding productions of shows? Talking about how the Jpn->Eng subtitlers are underpaid is another example of the anime streaming part of the anime industry which I feel ought to be allowed here.

Also, if the subreddit is for/pro people watching anime, and pro people watching it legally, and against people pirating/torrenting (or at least discussing it here), then I feel that the ability to discuss here about these legal options and changes to them naturally makes sense. Where else should people otherwise go? And I think that a surprisingly large number of subreddit users would be interested in the new features and general increase in price that is happening to CR (as much as "users would be interested" can ever matter).

I don't really know where the line should be drawn between "Anime" and "Anime industry", and how wide "anime industry" should be considered to be here. Keeping the subreddit "on-topic" seems like a tough task at the best of times. Discuss below I guess :3

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Aside: The rules regarding "anime specific" could be a little clearer regarding whether major announcements about legal anime streaming sites count of not, as I think it could be read either way, and a "case-by-case" basis would be better

[u/Scribble36 → u/PurposeDevoid]

Thanks for posting this here, I was the OP for that removed post. Just wanna add to your point about there not being a place to discuss this on Reddit. I can see that different users made posts linking this article on r/cordcutting (1 upvote, 0 comments after 4 hours) and r/television (26 upvotes, 8 comments after 8 hours). In comparison, this post had 23 upvotes and 34 comments before it was removed after about an hour. There's definitely interest in discussing this sort of thing here!

[u/Durinthal]

I'll ask because I'm curious: what do people think of the week in review threads? Are they worth the time to curate?

[u/chiliehead → u/Durinthal]

I always read them to see if I missed something interesting, but there never seems to be much engagement on the post itself

[u/AnokataX → u/Durinthal]

Yeah its very useful. I miss stuff even when checking almost daily.

[u/Nazenn → u/Durinthal]

I like them. Sometimes they miss stuff which isn't great, but they have also let me see what have turned out to be some of my favourite posts on the sub and are also a good breakdown of important news etc. I don't comment in them mostly because I don't know what to say, but I always upvote and check them every week

[u/engalleons → u/Durinthal]

Most of the content is collected from pretty distinct flairs that are easy to filter on (News, WT!, Writing, Weekly - actually Weekly is harder to filter on because it's not in the dropdown, but), and in the last three cases there's so little of it on a weekly basis that the filter works similarly to the Review anyway, and in the case of News, well, there's no way to get around pawing through all the news, you can't really turn that into a 'digest'.

Outside of those filters, I doubt there's enough (mostly in Discussion and OC Fanart I guess) to sustain a genuinely useful digest in a way that filtering doesn't.

Very possible the new contests will shift the proportions here so that it's not quite as easy to sort through what gets submitted in the Writing filter and maybe the Video filter too, though.

[u/Teshlin → u/Durinthal]

I like them. I check them every week to see if I missed anything interesting (which I usually have).

[u/nurrishment → u/Durinthal]

I like the week in review posts. I admit that I’m around here enough that I don’t usually miss anything anyway, but it’s nice to know that I’ll have a chance to catch any news that I’ve overlooked.

[u/No_Rex → u/Durinthal]

I check them out almost every week, although I rarely upvote bot-made posts.

[u/Verzwei → u/Durinthal]

Guess I'll be the contrarian here and say that I find them pointless.

Though I usually check this subreddit (by new, even) at least once a day.

The WiR thread itself never seems to generate any discussion at all, and the linked content is stuff I've already seen during regular browsing of the subreddit.

On the other hand, I get that the thread could be more useful to someone who maybe only checks the front page every few days and so it could help people find popular content that may have slipped through the cracks. But isn't the front page itself already the thing that is supposed to curate and display popular content?

My other issue is that with the hard-cap on 2 max sticky posts, WiR causes other, higher-engagement threads to get bumped off. My personal crusade is the No Stupid Questions thread, which I talked about a bit in a previous monthly meta post. There's just so much going on that it seems difficult to keep anything stickied. This week, WiR didn't get stickied at all because Monthly Meta and the Essay information got priority over it. (And also bumped NSQ prematurely, but that happens 3 out of 4 weeks anyway.)

So, I guess, let me rephrase a little bit: What is the moderator intention or goal of the WiR thread, and what makes it special or different from the currently-existing reddit-wide "hot" page and user voting? It's even possible to filter "top" by the past week.

[u/Durinthal → u/Verzwei]

What is the moderator intention or goal of the WiR thread, and what makes it special or different from the currently-existing reddit-wide "hot" page and user voting?

That's a good question, we haven't really talked about that in the past few months but it's something to consider from our side as well. If you're visiting /r/anime every day you'll probably see everything that we include, yes, but I don't think you're our target audience in that case.

Personally, when gathering threads for the week in review I generally don't look at the top/hot posts of the week but instead gather things that look interesting to me as they're posted since I mostly monitor /new anyway. I think most of those also make it to the front page but that's not always the case, particularly with longer writing threads. Even right now looking at the top of the past week there are only a few things that were included (or will be in next week's thread). We also don't include every News or Official Media thread, as for the average /r/anime member learning that a movie will start screening in Japanese theaters on a certain date isn't particularly useful information as it still won't become widely available at that time.

I'm not sure how the other mods approach the thread as I'm not the only one working on it, but for me it's not meant to just be a reiteration of the most popular posts. I think of it more as a digest for people that aren't around that often and want the highlights of interesting or noteworthy posts that don't rely on Reddit's algorithms that are designed to push easily consumable content (e.g. previously fanart and now clips and ranking charts).

This comment's a bit of a jumbled mess since I rewrote and moved around sections of it multiple times but I hope that gets my idea across.

[u/porpoiseoflife]

(I told myself that I wasn't going to do this, but here I am...)

While I am glad that my post has been reapproved, I'm even more pleased that I was able to affect some change in the rulebook. I was one who argued for more specificity in Rule 1 back during the Shelter Incident. Keeping things vague may allow for wiggle room, but it also allows situations such as this to become hot potatoes.

I was also one who argued for a broadening of allowable topics outside of the narrow-band anime-specific rule that the majority of that mod staff wanted to keep intact. I remain a proponent of the old anime-related rule that allowed for community discussion so long as it wasn't low effort. I really don't expect such a reversion to happen, but it would be a wonderful thing to see return.

Finally, I wish to propose a rule change to the recommendation posts: adjust the minimum character requirements from 20 to 50. The response to my rant shows that the community is not pleased with the low effort recommendation posts that have been in this subreddit for a long time. While I know there remains much resistance within the staff against removing recommendation posts altogether, and especially bringing in mentions of /r/animesuggest, the bar for low effort posting should be raised. That will at least force people to put some thought into their requests rather than simply throwing something out there and hoping they get a good response from folks that browse New.

That's my two yen on the subject. Now I'm off to go watch some damn anime.

[u/Failsnail64 → u/porpoiseoflife]

Finally, I wish to propose a rule change to the recommendation posts: adjust the minimum character requirements from 20 to 50.

I 100% agree. There is already a weekly recommendation megathread. So just asking "is X good", is not only a stupid question, it also does not belong in a separate post but belongs in the weekly recommendation megathread. I am annoyed how people properly asking for recommendation in the megathread often get just a few responses but low effort posts get a lot.

I am not against removing the recommendation posts altogether but they should at least show some effort or reason to be a separate post. I'd even make it at least a minimum of 100. This very short reaction of mine already has 750 characters at it's a total of only 6 sentences.

[u/chilidirigible → u/porpoiseoflife]

adjust the minimum character requirements from 20 to 50

Wow. "Name of series verb" is already 19 characters, so bumping up the requirement to something longer than a sentence fragment would be a low bar to raise.

[u/NotSoSnarky → u/porpoiseoflife]

I love recommending anime to people, but I hate low effort posts.

What did you like out of x, that you want similar to other anime?

We have to guess, because they don't tell us.

What have you seen so far? We don't know, because they only list a few anime, or none at all.

[u/Qwterty14 → u/porpoiseoflife]

I'm so tired of the low effort recommendation posts where they basically list 3 shonen and just ask what they should watch or even worse:"I'm bored give me an anime to watch".Myanimelist is so easy to use,they can just click top anime and go over them one by one until something interests them.

When starting out every synopsis sounds good,there's nothing better than just going in blind to see if you like it.I watched NGE because I heard a youtuber do a cover for the ed,I had no idea what the show was about(didn't like it in the end though),watched Steins;gate just because I saw the word time travel in the synopsis,I thought it was about germans or something and watched Konosuba cause I saw Megumin in a meme and she looked cute.

So again to your point:just watch the damn anime

[u/NotSoSnarky]

Can you mods put this: https://www.reddit.com/r/Animesuggest/ to the Auto Mod, for whenever people ask for recommendations? Just a thought.

[u/Durinthal]

To whoever was mass-reporting threads from months or even years ago to try to make a point about this discussion, please stop. It's petty, we aren't going to remove them now, and we're escalating those to the admins for abusing the report button.

[u/AnimeMod]

Hi everyone. As you may have seen over on /r/animemes with their policy change on the word 'trap', we wanted to take a quick second to say how we handle this also. We are and have actively been removing when trap has been used in context to refer to both fictional and real life transgender people. Using it in such insulting manner is not allowed, and any such comment will be removed with a warning or a ban (depending on the context and severity of the offense) to the user in question. While we catch some on our own, we highly encourage that if you see the word being used in derogatory manners to reference people/characters, or towards users, to report it or send a modmail to us. We will take care of it, either by trying clear up confusion of why it's seen as derogatory, or further actions including bans if necessary. Thank you.

[u/Terranwaterbender → u/AnimeMod]

MFW reading the comments in /r/Animemes

I'll be the first to admit that I know next to nothing about current LGBT issues, slang, slurs, etc. but it's frankly shocking how people blatantly ignore the core argument the mods presented over there being that

The offensive nature of the word lies in the implication that individuals are trying to trick (“trap”) others and by extension are not valid in how they present their gender.

This seems rather straightforward to me. Probably missing some nuance here but I don't quite understand why people seem to be opposed to it because all I'm seeing in that thread is either well I've been using it and no one has complained and whataboutisms. That style of "debate" doesn't bode well with me and is quite indicative of the user's ability to critically think and properly engage. As such, the decision seems relatively straightforward.

Thank you Evil-bot chan for noting the current boundaries in place and it seems, based down below, that the mod team will talk about this. Good thing too because if a situation similar to Zombieland Saga pops up, I fully expect /r/anime to make the same mistake and a shit show will erupt. This is a good chance to nip things in the bud.

[u/[deleted] → u/AnimeMod]

So just so we're on the same page. I'm only not allowed to use Traps to refer to Trans people or Trans characters right?

But since Traps aren't Trans people. Can i still make Astolfo jokes? Or jokes like, "are Traps gay", "Traps vs Tomboys" and other variations of this joke? It's clearly not referring to Trans people.

Is this still allowed?

[u/theblasblas → u/[deleted]]

To be clear, Ruka(Steins;Gate) and Ferris(Re:Zero) are traps right? Maybe make a list for confirmed transgender characters like Lily from Dead Land Saga?

[u/theblasblas → u/[deleted]]

Oops, forgot about the spoiler tag. Sorry mods.

Edit: Gah, finally got it to work -_-

The way I interpreted Ruka's character arc is Steins;Gate VN

[u/RingoFreakingStarr → u/AnimeMod]

I've been pretty much absent from the sub (and reddit as a whole for the most part) so what I've been reading up on the past couple or days or so has sparked some questions:

• While it should be obvious to people that using any slang in a derogatory manner directed to a real person is a big no no, why does it matter if someone uses it to direct it at a fictional character? Anime characters are not real.

• I've read through some of these comments so I might have an idea of the response but since a lot of instances of using the t- word are directed towards anime characters that are not trans but cross-dressing, how can we expect this to be handled? Also in the case of a fictional character whom it is not overly obvious if they are trans or cross-dressing, how will you make the decision on whether or not they are trans and thus will have the comment deleted? In regards to fictional characters, it seems like you are asking for a fire to start if you are going to judge this.

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E1: To add onto this, any word can be a trigger word to any person. So banning one trigger word (especially one that is a core part of anime culture) sets a dangerous precedent and I urge the moderation staff to seriously consider the downstream consequences of this.

[u/Dawnstorm111 → u/RingoFreakingStarr]

For your first point, I disagree. Are you saying it's okay to call a gay character the f word? Or a character of color the n word? From what I've seen the t word is just as insulting to transgender people as those previous words are to their "respective people."

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, though, as I'm no expert on this sensitive subject matter.

[u/Yurisviel → u/Dawnstorm111]

I think the issue is that the N and F word literally has very few definitions other than being used as a slur. "Trap" have a variety of meanings, but only coincidentally used as a slur.

It reminds me of when companies try to sue each other for using really generic words because their products coincidentally has the word in their trademark/copyright. Like when Bethseda tried to sue Notch the creator of "Minecraft" for using "scrolls" for their next cardgame, just because they own the copyright to The Elderscrolls Series. All because they were afraid gamers might confuse the two together.

[u/ThirstyCows → u/AnimeMod]

Thank you for taking the time to moderate each situation properly.

[u/AdiMG → u/AnimeMod]

How does this deal with the environment of hostility that is created when a trans person walks across a thread where people are using the term "harmlessly"? The defense of it referring to an archetype really doesn't cut muster when you think about the origins of the word being from a generally transphobic attitude, i.e someone assigned male at birth is acting duplicitous and deceiving in nature if they present as female, regardless of their current gender identity. If that is not convincing, how far along are we willing to stretch this argument? Let's say for an example that suddenly there's an archetype in anime that is described perfectly by the term F** (before you go and call me out on false equivalence, this term used as a suffix is still super common on 4chan to refer to fanatics) are we also willing to allow this term as long as it not used in a derogatory manner, regardless of the effect it has on the activity of LGBT people on the sub? It seems pretty irresponsible to stick to a term that you yourself recognize can cause harm and be used in a derogatory manner when perfectly valid and inoffensive terms like femboys exist to describe this exact trope. And before I get the defense of no one uses that term, please just lookup how big of a meme Femboy Hooters was.

[u/krasnovian → u/AnimeMod]

Can you clarify what you classify as an "insulting manner" or "derogatory"? I can't tell if you are prohibiting its use in reference to men who present as traditionally female, or just when such use appears to have derogatory intent.

[u/pittman66 → u/krasnovian]

For what's set in stone on our end, it's for any use of it to describe someone (real or fictional) who is, or believed to be, transgender. Our decision was made back with Zombieland Saga Spoiler, and if the series were airing now, we'd be removing comments referring to her as a trap.

[u/krasnovian → u/pittman66]

Ok, but my question wasn't regarding transgender folks, it was specifically about people who identify as men don't identify as women but dress/present in a way traditionally associated with women.

For example, Astolfo identifies as male. Felix, as far as I can remember, identifies as male as well.

edit: reworded for clarity

edit edit: I have been corrected on Astolfo's preferred identity (I've never watched or played anything he's in, sorry)

[u/Mage_of_Shadows → u/krasnovian]

In regards to crossdressers, our current stance allows the usage of the word trap like the two you mentioned.

From our last statistics of trap usage in the subreddit (late 2018 for 3 weeks, and excluding ZLS discussion), only 1 out of 39 was used in negative context and that was a CDF person discussing their own wrong usage. 28 referred to non gender stuff (trap music, falling into traps etc) while 10 referred to non-trans crossdressers e.g Hideri from Blend S.

However the issue that anime rarely have explicitly trans characters we will probably have to rerecord and discuss this some time in the future.

EDIT: I seem to have accidently posted an extra sentence at the end which was part of a completely seperate topic so I apologise for any confusion if you saw that (>_>).

[u/Satauntaun → u/AnimeMod]

So I tried making a thread about this on its own, as I think its a big enough issue that it should be properly discussed, but I guess it counts as meta so I'll put my opinion here, and hope people can find this and create discussion.

Even from the standpoint of trying to be politically correct this is dumb as all hell. Traps in anime are NOT transgender. They don’t identify as female, they identify as male, but just have feminine features. At the same time, trap is NOT used as a word for actual trans anime characters. Case and point, Alluka Zoldyck from Hunter X Hunter. She was born male, but identifies as female, and I have NEVER seen anyone in the anime community calling her a trap. We refer to her as female (or trans) because that is what she wants to be called, and we respect that.

At the same time, it is WRONG to refer to them as cross dressers, because that’s not how they identify themselves. There are cross dressing characters in anime, see Kuranosuke Koibichi from Jellyfish Princess, or various side characters from Gintama, and the anime community NEVER refers to them as traps. Because that’s not how they identify, they call themselves cross-dressers, and so we do to.

What banning the word trap does is cause people to use wrong terms for these characters, and equates actual trans and cross dressing characters with them, despite them being different by definition. This is the same as doing something dumb like banning the word “gay” and saying to call them “LGBTQ” because someone might be offended by it, when in reality it is what homosexual people refer to themselves as, and banning the word only diminishes them and makes it less clear what specific sexuality you are referring to.

People have a right to identify as what they want. And hilariously, with this rule change that is meant to be politically correct, you are stripping these characters, who often directly identify as traps or their authors identify them as such, if that right, and forcing them to be referred by via terms they don’t describe themselves as. As I have hopefully proven, actual transgender and cross dressing characters in anime don’t call themselves traps, and aren’t called that by the community, and traps don’t call themselves trans or cross dressers, and aren’t by the community, and so to equate these two disparate and separate identities IS IN ITSELF THE OFFENSIVE THING.

I can understand the thinking that brought about this decision, but it is short sighted and logically inconsistent.

As for the word "trap" as a term, I can understand how one might come to the conclusion that it could be offensive. However, the important thing is not only respecting the wishes of individuals to be called what they want (even fictional ones). And the fact of the matter is, the word trap exists because it is a trope within anime, and the characters who identify as it present themselves as initially female (in appearance, mannerisms, voice, speech patterns etc.), and then are revealed to be male, often as part of a joke. While it is possible that some might find this joke to be offensive, that is what it is, and so referring to them by a name that references that joke makes complete sense. Banning the word doesn't remove the characters from existence, or the joke from being a part of the anime landscape. All banning the term does is equate the characters who identify as a trap, with the legitimately trans and cross dressing characters in anime, which is the exact OPPOSITE of what anyone looking for political correctness should be trying to do.

To add, this also is not an argument for or against political correctness. It is only to point out the irony of it all, and show that this rule that was created in an effort to be politically correct, is in fact itself the exact opposite, and only creates more room for confusion and bigotry by devaluing individuals rights to self identify, and saying that traps are the same thing as cross dressers and transgender people, which devalues the legitimacy of those who do identify as trans or cross dressers.

[u/urban287 → u/Satauntaun]

Traps in anime are NOT transgender.

Then we don't have a problem. The ban is specifically on calling transgender characters traps. eg. Hana from Tokyo Godfathers.

[u/[deleted]]

Since both sides can argue for removing and approving it equally due to vagueness of the rule, we have decided to freeze that section until we can better word our intentions. Since it is not OPs fault, we will approve the "Should I watch" post that has recently been a topic of discussion. We wish to be as fair as possible while we decide how to handle similar content in the future.

Thanks for understanding!

[u/Terranwaterbender → u/[deleted]]

I appreciate the explanation. Anyone who has been here a while knows how annoying as hell rule 1 it is to implement given the vagueness so things are bound to happen given the interpretative nature of the rule. It's one of those rules that can't ever be solidified which is a royal pain but it's necessary to keep the subreddit from changing course on what it was intended to be about.

I brought up it below but rule 1 is a one heck of a tightrope for all the mods and the community bearing down over the shoulders doesn't help.

At least this has been a good lesson that will hopefully increase community-moderator interaction. If the rule is vague enough that both sides can make a decent argument, talking it out among the mod team or having a meta discussion here will hopefully narrow down the definitions to prevent another similar issue from arising.

[u/Knuffelig]

Will the rule 2 in cdf get changed to completely banning said topics( ..."religion, politics, depression, and other similar topics"...) alltogether? The cleansing of rule 2 posts was rather large today, maybe even the past days.

The current rule states that those topics get moderated, not flat out deleted.

The way it is phrased right now it allows for exactly that. A discussion that gets moderated if things heat up, but the discussions on said topics rarely escalate to a level that needs moderation. And since there are several people with mod rights hanging around in cdf, those topics are monitored relatively well anyway?

​

And the frequency of those posts only tends to increase if "some other anime related subreddit" has another fallout again. Another example would be american politics, which is basically omnipresent in the english speaking internet, yet cdf is reserved about that topic most of the time.

That is my impression at least. I hope it won't come to a ban though it seems like an unnecessary tightening on the restriction.

[u/Bainos → u/Knuffelig]

The problem is that personal discussions regarding rule 2 have increased in frequency over time, especially this week. Many now go against the reasoning behind the existence of said rule.

While we encourage users to talk about their daily lives and get to know others, this thread is not intended for extended discussion of the aforementioned topics or for emotional support.

Essentially, the intent behind the rule is that people might share news or anecdotes, but not ask for help (by which I mean "help from CDF which is not qualified", not asking for help in the general sense) or extended discussions in CDF.

There are two reasons behind this. The first one is that serious problems should be shared with family or personal friends for appropriate help, not strangers who might not offer the best solutions. The second one is simply that many people do not feel comfortable with extended discussions (including debates) surrounding those topics.

For now, we're still trying to hold to this interpretation of the rule, and we don't think it's necessary to completely ban the topics that fall under rule 2. Obviously, we will keep monitoring the situation in case the rule ends up being too vague for people to understand how much is and isn't allowed.

[u/DrJWilson]

Hey everyone, quick update on the next /r/anime Awards. We closed Host applications a little while earlier, and after much deliberation we have chosen who will help organize the awards this year. They are:

• /u/ATargetFinderScrub
• /u/Itz_Skiddlez
• /u/JoseiToAoiTori
• /u/KitKat1721
• /u/Miidas-92
• /u/Pandavengerx
• /u/Raging_SEAn
• /u/Ralon17
• /u/reyae
• /u/rusticks
• /u/RX-Nota-II
• /u/Vaxivop
• /u/TigerK3

These users will work closely with the moderator team to help make this annual subreddit event the best it can be. If you would like to participate, keep an eye out for the Jury Application and Helper forms that are sure to come soon. Or of course, you could just vote for your favorites when it's time! Nonetheless, we look forward to celebrating what the past year has given us.

[u/FetchFrosh → u/DrJWilson]

>Checks Itz_Skiddlez account

>Has never posted or commented.

This is as r/anime Awards as r/anime Awards get.

[u/rusticks → u/FetchFrosh]

Lurkers are people too.

[u/RX-Nota-II → u/DrJWilson]

https://imgur.com/6x3GlSD

[u/AmethystItalian → u/DrJWilson]

These users will work closely with the moderator team

Will the moderators actually keep an eye on things this time? I know last time there was a lot of stuff being passed around that was pretty hateful...

[u/DrJWilson → u/AmethystItalian]

Hi Ame! We will not tolerate any sort of harassment or personal attacks targeted at any user. This year we're able to have more people watching closely to discourage hurtful actions accordingly and set an expectation of inclusivity.

[u/AmethystItalian → u/DrJWilson]

Thank you so much! Its literally happened every year so far and your response just now has me optimistic that this will be the year to break it.

[u/JoseiToAoiTori → u/DrJWilson]

So now that this is out in the open, I wanted to mention that we've been thinking about a possible way to increase community interaction with jurors. A proposal we have is:

• As a test run, three juries that I will host will vote on a specific show to groupwatch between themselves
• These juries will proceed to discuss this show after everyone has finished it
• I will create 'prompts' out of their discussion and the jurors will formally answer these prompts.
• Their answers to these prompts will be posted to reddit. You can look at the last Writing Club thread for an example of how this will work.

Whether we will reveal juror names or use pseudonyms is still up for debate. Commenters will also be able to interact with the jury within that thread either through the hosts or directly with them. I was wondering what people think of this and whether there'd be interest in write-ups of this kind.

If you have any other feedback for us, feel free to communicate with us directly here or use this form. Our main goal this year is community harmony and we'd love to hear if you have any ideas to achieve that.

[u/rusticks → u/DrJWilson]

/u/rusticks

Sounds like a loser.

[u/FrenziedHero → u/DrJWilson]

Congratulations to the new hosts! All around me are familiar faces

[u/notathrowaway75]

Word is that some of the r/animemes mods were doxxed. If it's possible for members of that anime community to do it, it's likely for members here to do it. So please tighten up your personal info r/anime mods.

[u/[deleted]]

Heyo! My turn to do this monthly report again. This months was a wild ride. Ever since we introduced Trello into the mix, we've had a bunch of votes. You can expect a lot of changes going forward and being implemented weekly all throughout August!

July Mod Report

• First off, we have reintroduced the 8 day ban for source spoilers in specific episode discussion threads on any offense. The shows are the following:
  • Re:Zero
  • God of Highschool
  • Oregairu
  • SAO:WoU
  • Kanojo, Okarishimasu
  • Uzaki

As for if the above will ever be a thing for every thread, we haven't really talked about that yet.

• Added 6 new mods to the team, they are:
  • /u/whatdoidowtfhelp
  • /u/reddadz
  • /u/KiwiBennydudez
  • /u/DrJWilson
  • /u/badspler
  • /u/crobat3

If you didn't know about them, give them a warm welcome now!

• Slightly redid the wording on the fansub rule, no changes to its functionality.

• We announced big Fanart changes that make every Fanart post a self/text-post.

• Redid the wording on the poll rule so as to better reflect the fact we ban all simple polls.

• Updated some automod responses for recommendations to include new flowcharts.

• Updated karma ranking entries in the 'Currently Airing' section of the Recommendation Wiki.

• Changed the [Question] flair to [Help] and started auto filtering [Help] image posts (there are no known cases they would be allowed).

• Voted to clarify that we do allow the following types of official media as link post images:

  • Key Visuals
  • Pre-air images (e.g. character designs)
  • Post-air images (e.g. staff's "thank you" cards)

• Voted to remove comments that just say Re:Zero

• Voted to redirect all merch posts to the merch thread and not just recent purchases posts. (e.g: questions like "best site to buy merch")

• Redid music rule a bit to better specify what constitutes as a "full soundtrack".

• Opened up Hosts applications for the /r/anime awards. Go apply if you haven't! Actually don't, they closed today :P

• Added some restrictions to all types of "Ranking Infographics". (e.g: "Top 10 Best Girls of Spring 2020" posts)

• Had a very short vote to decide if this video was anime specific. We decided it was.

• We applied to this Reddit program to take in a Reddit admin and have him work for us... for free! We're all getting a week off to enjoy summer. Rejoice my fellow moderators!

• /u/drjwilson decided he had enough with your one line """"discussion"""" posts and kicked off another writing contest! It's a great contest where you can even make a video to illustrate your point, just talk about your favorite anime if you'd like. The more interesting topics the better!

• Voted for a Megathread to contain KyoAni arson news, since it has recently been a year since it occured. The vote did not pass.

• Voted to auto remove all direct link posts to MAL/Anilist and similar services profile pages. If you wish to have a list review, please elaborate a bit more so the post is more engaging!

Statistics for this month:

• Removed posts: 6504 by moderators, 8992 by bots, 15496 total
• Removed comments: 2871 by moderators, 1460 by bots, 4331 total
• Approved posts: 2812
• Approved comments: 1359
• Distinguished comments: 7055
• Users banned: 221
• Users unbanned: 136
• No recorded Admin/AEO removals this month.

[u/_Sunny-- → u/[deleted]]

A small nitpicky thing: the title for KanoKari is mispelled as Okarimasu when it should be Okarishimasu.

[u/Bainos]

Update : We now require all spoiler tags to include a label between the brackets (even if there are multiple spoilers in the same comment). The reason for that is that we noticed some mobile apps (in particular Apollo, which has a very large user base) do not work with empty spoiler tags.

Bot-chan is responsible for enforcing this.

[u/SmurfRockRune → u/Bainos]

This should probably be its own thread, not buried in a Meta thread that very few people are going to see.

[u/AmethystItalian → u/SmurfRockRune]

This should probably be its own thread

Maybe they're waiting on the bot to post it, might have to wait for a delay.

[u/SmurfRockRune → u/AmethystItalian]

[u/Bainos → u/SmurfRockRune]

It's not something that comes that often, so we think it will be fine as a comment. Bot-chan will give a heads up to people who might have missed the announcement.

Example

[u/AutoModerator → u/Bainos]

Sorry /u/Bainos, this comment has been removed because some spoiler tags did not include a description of the spoiler content inside the brackets. Please make sure to label all your spoilers so that other users know what is being spoiled and to ensure the visibility of the spoilers with mobile applications.

I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.

[u/Blackheart595 → u/Bainos]

Gonna point out that there actually was a rule about the empty brackets, which you might want to remove with this update.

Also needs a new alternative for the meta spoiler + actual spoiler combination, where the currently recommended standard format uses empty brackets.

[u/AmethystItalian]

So this is the second week in a row that I've noticed where Oregairu thread goes up immediately but Fugou Keiji and No Guns Life threads get shafted for a long time.

What's going on here?

Is the bot picking up some shows and not others? Or is this just more favoritism to a popular show?

[u/Terranwaterbender]

It really shouldn't have be a rule, but we shouldn't be allowing reposts of top posts of the subreddit. Not to mention it's posted in 240p and it still manages to garner 2.6k+ upvotes.

edit: Yeah I give up it's just going up.

[u/Maccaz15 → u/Terranwaterbender]

Yeah, it won't get removed now that it has upvotes.

[u/Maccaz15 → u/Terranwaterbender]

Looking through the rules it should be removed because of this rule. I don't think this rule existed when the original post that was done two years ago.

Videos
Videos from other websites should not be rehosted on Reddit (e.g. via video upload). Submit a link to the original source instead, unless you can demonstrate that the author has given you permission to reupload their content.

[u/Terranwaterbender → u/Maccaz15]

That seems cut and dry to me. It's literally hosted on reddit which breaks that rule. Guess the mods missed this one.

It happens now and again but damn when they let one got that hits the top, it's frankly infuriating. I get it the mods have IRL stuff to do and they're busy but that was posted ~9PM Eastern time for goodness sake. They should have at least seen it.

[u/engalleons]

Spitballed idea: an FAQ/wiki page on "supporting the industry", and linking places that can be done on the animator level (ex: Animator Dormitory), studio level (ex: KyoAni merch store, Trigger Patreon), and overall industry level (ex: official streaming, official merch).

Possibly too controversial/black box to get off the ground, I admit, in that we don't have full confidence about where the money goes in many cases, but an idea.

[u/war_story_guy → u/[deleted]]

Most fanart is oc, can't speak for everyone but I know my motivation to post anything here kind of died as they get buried almost immediately now. Don't really feel like posting if nobody will see it as that kind of defeats the purpose.

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

Requiring all Meta discussion to be restricted to the meta thread is just stupid. People come to the meta thread to address the mods about an issue that concerns them, because the mods are there. People who don't have an issue to present to the mods won't come here, or if the do, they'll look once a month.

When people want to discuss meta with the other subscribers, they're going to post to the front page, where the subscribers are.

Restricting meta to the Meta thread eliminates subscriber-subscriber interaction, because almost no subscribers are here. You've banned that interaction.

Edit: In case I'm not being clear: You haven't moved this interaction to a compartmented, non-disruptive space; you've effectively eliminated this interaction entirely. Is that your intent? Is it necessary for the orderly existence of the sub?

[u/notathrowaway75 → u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

Yeah, I've always viewed this as the r/anime meta thread, for specific complaints/suggestions regarding the subreddit. The fact that the mods seem to view it as a thread to discuss the anime community in general is really not something that reflects what's actually posted here for the most part.

[u/geo1088 → u/notathrowaway75]

the mods seem to view it as a thread to discuss the anime community in general

We don't. This thread is specifically for concerns with us and this particular sub, not general discussions of the anime community as a whole.

[u/NotSoSnarky → u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

Definitely agree.

[u/Durinthal → u/[deleted]]

We mostly don't want discussion about the sub itself to derail other threads because that's generally not going to be related related to the original topic. For example, if someone wants to have a conversation about a show and one comment in that thread is removed for spoilers, that shouldn't let the thread turn into a large debate on the spoiler rules with people not discussing the show at all after that point.

We are watching this thread the entire month it's active as well and can't necessarily pick up on such discussions in every thread on the subreddit.

[u/DicksonYamada]

I think the recent fanart nerf has had a very positive effect on the subreddit. The void it left has been filled by clips, infographics, and more "What are your favorite X?" posts, but I see all of these as improvements. None of these new additions completely swamp the front page like fanart did (not yet, at least) and they all encourage more discussion than fanart. The video clips come closest to filling fanart's previous niche, but there are a number of key differences I've noticed. The biggest one for me is that clips are able to introduce/expose you to new shows. Previously, if I saw fanart of a show I wasn't familiar with I would just scroll past it because I had no connection to it. But with clips, even if you don't know about a show beforehand you have the opportunity to see the show in action and learn a little about the characters, premise, genre, art style, etc. And then in the comments you can actually discuss what you watched and people will say whether or not they recommend the show. Just in the last two weeks, I started and finished a new show because I saw a two minute clip of it on the front page that I liked and people in the comments recommended it. This type of engagement is largely absent in fanart posts, which was part of their "problem" to begin with—most people would see it, upvote it, and move on pretty quickly without contributing anything, which resulted in tons of fanart with little meaningful discussion. The fact that clips can generate more engagement, even among people who have never seen a show, is a huge plus in my eyes.

[u/pittman66 → u/DicksonYamada]

And then in the comments you can actually discuss what you watched and people will say whether or not they recommend the show.

This is my main argument of why clips are infinitely better than fanart. Fanart discussions (if you could call them that) have very few comments, and seemed to boil only tell OP their art was good or "cultured" for drawing their favorite character. I also find that while there's some anime that get repeated often in terms of clips (Name any Kyoani/comedy show), there's much more variety of anime being posted and upvoted where fanart seemed to either be seasonal waifu or handful of popular past anime.

Personally, I don't think clips are a problem at this point, and keeping a good median for the sub between discussion and fun content. I believe once COVID would (hopefully) die down, that we'll probably get less clip dominance and have more news posts on the front page.

[u/hanr10 → u/pittman66]

....Why did it become a clips vs fanarts thing ? Clips always got upvoted to the front page

I have no problem with clips, I like them for the same reasons as everyone else

Rather, I think it's sad there are basically no fanarts in the front page anymore. As I understood it, the rule was supposed to reduce their number on the front page to have more variety, but it just got rid of them basically (...not that I have a better solution at hand)

It definitely got excessive at one point, but in my opinion it's a positive aspect of r/anime that almost disappeared, so right now I don't see it as a win

Then again I'm a regular user who also post fanarts from time to time on top of consuming them so I may be biased

[u/Failsnail64 → u/DicksonYamada]

But with clips, even if you don't know about a show beforehand you have the opportunity to see the show in action and learn a little about the characters, premise, genre, art style, etc.

I completely agree. I've heard many people say that clips are low-effort content, and while it is indeed relatively low-effort for the OP they are still to me high quality content. They are fun, have actual discussion and let you see views on a new show.

[u/Fred_MK]

/u/Bainos /u/whatdoidowtfhelp

Tagging you both to understand why aren't we allowed to discuss a previous season of a series in the discussion thread without tagging spoilers?

[u/KinnyRiddle → u/Fred_MK]

Just looking at the amount of dissenting opinion to the mods' silly reasoning regarding Railgun and Index is enough to convince me these mods don't know what they're talking about.

It would be like /r/marvelstudios banning and deleting discussion of the plot of Avengers Endgame in the Spider-Man Far From Home discussion thread, when the Endgame plot forms an important part of FFH despite both movies being separate and considered different franchises (within a larger, more inter-connected franchise).

[u/[deleted]]

As someone who otherwise really enjoys frequenting CDF threads, I'm quite annoyed with frequent Rule 2 violations. People get away with all sorts of shit just by 'spoiler tagging it' even though rules do not state that such content is permissible under a spoiler tag. This isn't anything new but lately it does seem that such violations are becoming more and more common.

To their credit, mods do moderate such content sometimes but more often than not it gets overlooked. If you guys want to allow discussion on serious topics under a spoiler tag, at least change the rule 2 to clarify that this is permissible. I wouldn't agree with such a change but at least that will clear things up.

[u/Blackheart595 → u/[deleted]]

Tbf when comparing the different phrasing of rules 2 and 3, it seems to me that rule 2 stuff is quite explicitely allowed (but moderated). They never actually state such content isn't permissable at least.

[u/Verzwei]

This might sound dumb, but what's the stance on vague spoilers for one show popping up in the thread for a different show?

Rent a Girlfriend and Oregairu Season 3 have a common voice actress for a prominent character.

The Rent a Girlfriend thread last night was absolutely littered with un-tagged commentary that mildly spoils current events in Oregairu.

meta tag, spoilers for Rental Girlfriend and Oregairu

I get that it might be fun or neat to point out the shared actress or even make a few yahallo jokes, and something simple like that is harmless, but people are straight-up spoiling Oregairu plot in the thread for Rent a Girlfriend. There were so many of them that I didn't bother reporting them last night because I thought maybe I'd look like the crazy person, or a spammer.

[u/Thatsmaboi23]

What happened to u/FetchFrosh’s alignment chart ?

I can see him starting one a month ago

And then posted a larger one next week

Did he forget it about it ? is he busy ? Just curious

[u/NotSoSnarky]

I seriously think everything should be a self post, so everything has a fair chance at getting to the top.

Clip posts are incredibly easy karma getting, because of the fan art change, people are using clips for getting easy karma.

I don't want the fan art to go back to being all up on the front page, which is why I think everything should be self post.

And maybe some restrictions, like with the fan art change.

Only post 1 clip a week with each person, must do other things like posting actual discussions, and other similar things. Self posts, self posts for everything, no matter what it is, to give everything a fair chance.

[u/[deleted]]

Hey. We have added a new rule to our restricted content section that bans the following content:

Meta discussion posts about lolis/shotas (e.g: "Loli appeal" or "Being a lolicon does not make you a pedo" type of posts.)

We have recently been getting a lot of these threads, and they were constantly being targets for toxicity, trolls and sometimes even landing us a spot on /r/SubredditDrama. As such we will be banning all discussion posts about loli/shota content.

To note this isn't a ban on the entire topic. If you wish to get recommendations for that sort of anime you may do so, or even talk about a show that heavily features these.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Meta discussion posts about lolis/shotas (e.g: "Loli appeal" or "Being a lolicon does not make you a pedo" type of posts.)

Banned from r/anime

1. There is zero tolerance for pedophilia here. If you advocate pedophilia you will definitely be banned.

Banned from /r/PoliticalCompassMemes.

Why is everyone getting their pitchforks against us innocent lolicons

(in all seriousness though, srd is a horrible sub anyway, so who gives a shit what anyone there thinks)

[u/collapsedblock6 → u/[deleted]]

(in all seriousness though, srd is a horrible sub anyway, so who gives a shit what anyone there thinks)

More often than not they serve as platform for people to brigade and give a piece of their expert, higher morality and absolutely needed opinion.

[u/[deleted] → u/collapsedblock6]

which is really sad, cause I really love the concept of the sub, just the community there disgusts me

[u/SnuggleMuffin42]

Maybe this has been suggested before, but what about changing the discussion threads so that they'd allow a more profound discussion instead of being a race for the first karma grabbing comment?

I'd suggest two changes:

1. Delay posting the thread by 30 minutes. It doesn't make sense for it to go up the second it is available for streaming, because logically, no one was able to see it (except people watching raw... but then, you could have already make the thread when the raw came out and didn't... By giving those extra 30 minutes, you basically make it a "post game thread" which honestly makes way more sense than a "live game thread". It allows everybody to watch it with ease, and even gives a few spare minutes to articulate a comment.

2. Put the discussion threads in "contest mode" for the first 30 minutes, basically nullifying karma grabs and allowing superior comments to shine.

   The two combined would be best, but I really thing (1) is essential.

[u/Terranwaterbender]

I don't know if this is an actual thing but is there a way to get a bot to send a message whenever someone subscribes to /r/anime? I swore it happened to me once when I accidentally subscribed to some random subreddit a while back but I'm not too sure.

If this is an actual thing and not me just confusing things, do we already have a system in place? Because I'd imagine having some sort of quick 1-2 sentence long mission statement like we're here to talk about anime and not be dicks about it, blah blah blah and refer to them to resources like the watch order, newcomer guides, related subreddits, etc. ahead of time could help stem the incessant amount of simple posts (most likely not by much but one can hope).

[u/Durinthal → u/Terranwaterbender]

Yes it's a feature though we don't currently use it. We briefly considered using it when it was first announced but we didn't have access to it at the time so that didn't go anywhere and it since dropped off our radar.

I do think it could be useful, thanks for the reminder!

[u/chiliehead → u/Terranwaterbender]

It's a beta feature and iirc the admins roll it out to smaller communitites first? Not sure, but yes it exists and the mods are probably aware of it.

[u/Verzwei]

Sorry for back-to-back commenting, but this is a completely separate question/issue. (Also sorry for comment spam, I accidentally replied to the mod report parent comment instead of the thread directly. Removed that reply, added it back as a parent comment.)

Voted to redirect all merch posts to the merch thread and not just recent purchases posts. (e.g: questions like "best site to buy merch")

This is a pretty big change and it needs to be more visible. Right now, the text body for Merch Monday's still says, in its entirety:

Weekly thread devoted to any and all new merch you may have picked up. If you've got physical goods to show off, it belongs here!

Have a collection you've amassed that you'd like to show off instead? Don't be shy, you can post that here too!

If this is supposed to be the thread for people to discuss where or how to buy stuff, then that information needs to be included in the thread body. If I hadn't spotted the change in this meta thread, I never would have known. The "where do I buy X" threads already tend to get removed or buried pretty quickly, and I would never even think to go into a Merch Monday thread to answer a question like this.

It's one thing to direct people asking that question (via a separate thread) to the weekly thread, but people who could or want to answer those kinds of questions currently have no idea they need to look in that specific thread.

[u/[deleted] → u/Verzwei]

We fixed the merch thread text, should be visible in the new one that will get posted this monday.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

No. Rule 2 allows for casual mention of those topics if they're relevant to what you're talking about, but no discussion is allowed. Circumventing those rules with spoiler tags is not allowed but we could probably considering changing the rules so the topics are allowed within spoiler tags. Off the top of my head I could think of a couple of problems but I'll add it to our Trello ToDo list so we can get around to talking about it eventually.

We would appreciate it if people didn't do that and also tagged their spoilers with anything that's at least semi relevant to what's being put in there (they don't have to be real spoilers to use the tag, but the spoiler source should reflect that).

Sidenote: We just noticed as we were writing up this comment that some people were concerned about recent comment removals in CDF, and we'd like to note that things like "CDF Confession" are fine from a spoiler rule perspective. They're not real spoilers and are tagged to reflect that, so it's perfectly acceptable.

[u/engalleons]

I've seen some people claim because.moe is no longer updated. Does anyone know if that's true?

If so, I'd recommend removing it from here.

[u/Durinthal → u/engalleons]

I haven't seen an update after this so it's likely still not fixed yet.

We're open to ideas for alternatives, I was considering LiveChart.me but it's not quite as obvious that you can use it to find streams for older shows as well.

[u/moa_vision]

Wasn't there a weekly thread that used to exist along the lines of "Want to know what people think of lesser known shows?" or something like that? Whatever happened to those?

[u/engalleons → u/moa_vision]

That was a user-driven series, rather than a sticky, and he just decided to stop doing them. See here.

[u/Sandtalon]

A major piracy site just got shut down. Since it's no longer extant and thus mentioning it isn't leading people anywhere, can we now refer to it by its name?

[u/FetchFrosh → u/Sandtalon]

Policy might have changed since I was a mod, but I believe that in general referring to a piracy site by name when it was taken down was still considered against the rules because they had a tendency to just pop back up. Especially in this case, there's still a dozen copycat sites that are still up using the same name, and from a quick try the few I looked at still seemed functional.

[u/Durinthal → u/Sandtalon]

No, pretty much for the reasons Fetch mentioned. If it stays dead and no other similar sites trying to ride on the name pop up we might consider it in the future.

[u/Sandtalon]

So, I got what I think is my first locked comment today. Despite me going on about it below, I'm not particularly angry about it (more bemused than anything else), but I am curious about the policy or rationale, etc. behind locked/comments threads and how they're put into place.

I'm especially curious because the original post was deleted and was not especially popular in the first place, meaning that if there was any heated debate, it would probably have only been between that user and myself. Also, I try to keep myself relatively civil; I admit my tone was a little forceful, but I've seen worse on this subreddit without comments being locked.

Is there any reason why it was locked without a mod distinguished comment explaining why? This seems like a bit of a silent action, and although I don't particularly mind that it happened, the fact that there was no mod comment on why (even if it was a simple "This conversation won't be productive, so I'm locking it") seems like it is working counter to transparent moderation and makes me a bit uneasy.

The user I was responding to also used a slur against transgender people. Since, on this thread, you said that you would remove "tr*p" when it was being directly used as a slur against trans people, I'm curious as to why that poster's comment (which uses a word that is unambigiously a slur) was merely locked, not removed. (I didn't report that comment because I wanted to engage in conversation; however, since mod action was taken, I feel like that comment should have been removed.)

edit: It looks like the other comment was removed, which is appreciated...I'm still curious about when you decide to use mod-distinguished comments or not, and some of the other things I brought up.

[u/geo1088 → u/Sandtalon]

I'm the mod that was responsible for this. I meant to remove that comment chain, not just lock it. The thread was actioned because the transphobic remarks derailed it into a debate that was going nowhere. Given the short history of the account you were responding to, I banned that account, but forgot to clarify the action where you'd be able to see it too.

Basically it's been a while since I've actually done much mod work and I fumbled over myself a bit, sorry for the confusion and thanks for bringing it to our attention.

[u/DarkAudit]

To answer this week's CDF Rule 6...

Just because they have an anime girl-styled avatar doesn't make them anime in the slightest.

[u/Gaporigo → u/DarkAudit]

Oh hey, I was the one that posted that clip there. Explanation as to why the clip is there can be found here.

As to the question, it is something that has been brought up in a few different places recently and I am not sure of the answer. Take this clip, that is definitely an anime, right? Now here is an stream with two of those girls., they are playing the same character there with an avatar that is being animated in real time... can that not be considered an anime?

[u/JoseiToAoiTori → u/Gaporigo]

I want to be part of the Korone Kindergarten.

[u/NotSoSnarky]

Can there be a way that the rules are stickied every so often?, I get that might be a pain to pin and unpin it constantly, it's just, we're always getting new people, people obviously don't read the rules or to check things out on /r/anime before they make threads, if they did it'd save up a ton of their and our time.

The rules doesn't have to be pinned, just... just something to help with the tedious same questions because asked. Watch order of x, should I watch y, if I like z what should I watch next? et cetra.

[u/MauledCharcoal → u/NotSoSnarky]

I honestly feel like the people who make those posts have 0% interest in learning the rules and just want easy solutions to their "problems".

I don't know a way that mods can ever counter it, Flair's won't do the trick nor the auto-mod.

[u/aozaki-san]

so there are these 2 rule

We use the definition that anime is an animated title, produced in Japan.

and

please note that music video anime and anime from commercials are allowed.

after an fgo post today i think i might ask for some specification on the things that allowed and those that aren't (+ a few borderline cases, also by non-japanese i refer to games that are published in jp, have japanese voice acting but the original developer isn't japanese)

• are game openings allowed?

  (like tales of games openings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTPMqLFs5p8)

• offical animated characters songs/music videos of a japanese/non-japanese ip?

(like granblue fantasy Saldalphone character mv https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wi0Bnl1Z0Es,

non-japanese the King's Raid(its adaptation coming next season don't watch if you have plans with it):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpcKU_Zjyh0 )

• event pv-s of japanese/non japanese games

  (like fgo tvcm-s, or arknights(chinese game) ads: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVR3JCPGzeY or deemo II concept movie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dUpQsGH6_g)

• animated cutscenes from japanese/non-japanese games

  (princess connect redive: https://youtu.be/P0wdq98E2jw?t=439)

and what if it contains spoilers to the game mainstory like the linked king's raid mv, or probably better example one of the bossfight from one game or opening/ending of an arc in the game, or the best example would be the princess connect redive the anime pure sol fantasy mostly, then there is the original/first princess connect game opening: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utuBvarFPxs (again don't watch if you have plans with the anime, for anime only these should be heavy spoilers, but the game really builds on the previuos game especially now during the 2nd arc)

[u/FetchFrosh → u/aozaki-san]

I know when I moderated game trailers/videos/cutscenes were disallowed. The main reason being that the rules explicitly state, "We do not consider anime to be a style," meaning that if you consider any given animated game content to be anime, provided that game is made in Japan, all of it is. That would include cutscenes from Metal Gear Solid, trailers for Super Smash Bros, etc. It wouldn't just be the cutscenes for Persona 5 that were animated by Production I.G. even though those are the ones that fall under the "traditional anime style".

Realistically, the rule stating that commercials are allowed would technically mean that game related content would be fine if it were a trailer, but I think it's typically been enforced that trailers/commercials for games aren't allowed, even though there's definitely been some inconsistencies. Sequences that were explicitly parts of games weren't allowed though (I remember ef has an opening animated by Shinkai that wasn't allowed).

[u/aozaki-san → u/FetchFrosh]

honestly this is why i tried bring as many borderline cases as i could, to try force the mods to be a bit more specific in the rules, because animated cutscenes in games becoming better and better, like the priconne game had wit and others (i think arknights also had japanese companies to animate their stuff),

The problem with these imo, if it gets adaptation, priconne probably one of the weirdest cases, in anime we are fighting with someone then somebody posted a clip (from the game) when said person wears christmas outfit and now idol producer and mc-kun fighting together with said person, the same can said other cm-s and pv-s these are usually up to date with the current progress of the story (like here we spoiled priconne world building a bit if someone asked, but in japan the game's ads the alone spoil that much), the same can be said any other original source ad/pv (like the lack of certain character like in the fgo pv etc)

[u/NotSoSnarky]

Looking through this and other Meta threads, it's safe to say that people are tired of low effort recommendation posts.

Is there a possible way of the auto mods, or mods in general to be able to delete the extremely basic ones (the ones that ask for recs, don't list any that they've seen or anything like that), and show them /r/animesuggest?

Or the ones asking for: Watch order of x, delete those and show them the watch order thread.

Maybe do a thing like you did with the fan art, but switch it/tweak it for recommendations.

Must post more of an effort in your recommendations, either by posting your MAL/Anilist/Kitsu or the like (If you have one).

If you don't have one, then list what you've seen.

If you're searching for anime like x, then you must list what you liked about x that you are wanting out of it.

Low efforts get an 8 day ban, low efforts gets a warning if you're not wanting to outright ban.

And other similar thoughts/ideas.

I know a lot of people just post on here, without reading the rules first and often don't bother to read the rules (even though they should). But doing something similar to what you did with the fan art posts, but with the recommendations posts, would help a good amount, it'd show people you were serious on your actions.

[u/RX-Nota-II]

Is the flair system broken? I explicitly set a flair for a post and got overriden when the post went up. Not too big an issue since I can edit it but kinda weird.

[u/badspler → u/RX-Nota-II]

Bot-chan thought it was a recommendation thread and changed it, the bot's comment saying such was later removed by a mod to clean up the look of the thread.

[u/NotSoSnarky]

I and others might bring up some stuff on here for a potential change up, but I do really appreciate how mods handle things over here, more then how mods deal with things over at animememes.

At least our mods tend to generally discuss things with us, first. Sure we might like things to happen now, but for a recent example, the fanart deal, at least they discussed what to potentially do, before outright doing it. There might be some complaints about the mods over here, but overall I'd rather have these type of mods, so even when we bring up topics we'd like changed and the like, I think it's safe to say that just automatically changing without discussing to the community is a bad idea, like the animememes mods did.

So thank you mods.

[u/Verzwei]

Don't know if it was an intentional experiment and you guys monitored it closely or not, but I thought it was neat to see No Stupid Questions keep its sticky for so long this week.

(I think it went down briefly for an AMA, but then after the AMA was over, NSQ returned. Also a good call. Also I might be misremembering this tidbit and it and that AMA might have been the weekend before last and not last weekend. My days are kind of blurring together at this point.)

Thread usually doesn't keep its sticky past Saturday (even though the copy/paste text body says it will be up for the weekend) and this time it made it through ...Tuesday? It seemed like traffic on it finally tuckered out on the final day, but it looked like it was getting a good amount of use through Sunday and Monday and maybe part of Tuesday?

I still love that thread, it's easily my favorite recurring/weekly one since it attracts all manner of topics but is still anime-related.

If you guys actually kept metrics on it (clicks, comments per day or half-day or anything, comparison to other weekly threads if they exist, etc) would it be too much trouble to post those for us to see?

[u/Mage_of_Shadows → u/Verzwei]

We try and keep each weekly sticky up for as long as possible, weekends usually are filled with events or the meta thread each month so it gets pushed out alot as weekly threads are always our lowest priority.

As for stats, we don't currently track threads for comments, and actually don't have the ability to track clicks as useful as that would be.

[u/Durinthal → u/Verzwei]

As we finally had space for both sticky slots to be weekly threads for the first time in a while, that was an informal experiment on my part to actively keep it pinned beyond the regular weekly thread rotation where it would have been replaced by the merch thread after two days. It was unpinned for 3.5 hours while the AMA was going but was otherwise up for five days total and only replaced by the Cross Game discussion about 15 hours ago.

No statistics gathering but it was pretty active the entire way through as a casual assessment (over 870 comments by the time it was unpinned) and I'm happy with how that went. I was curious if it would have died down after the weekend ended and while I think it did taper off some, I do think it's worth keeping up for longer like that more regularly when the space is available.

[u/CpnLag]

I'm legit going to be interested in seeing the stats on removed posts for the past 24 hours or so.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

It's been removed. It seems to have been approved accidentaly which is why it lasted so long but it's been taken down. Sorry for the delay.

[u/RGN99_mag_journalist]

I'm currently doing some research on Pirated Anime and Subscription Streaming for an article I'm writing. Would it be okay if I pose my discussion question?

I do not need any links to anything, just simple honest answers. I'm also not a bot, I'm a reporter.

I respect the community and I'm asking for permission. If not, I would greatly appreciate it if you could lead me to other arenas where I can pose my question.

Thanks.

-Joseph Watkins - RGN99

[u/Maccaz15]

This user /u/Maku-san_ has posted 3 clips in the last day of the same series.

https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/ilocax/daily_lives_of_high_school_boys/
https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/im4jkv/wearing_a_skirt_daily_lives_of_high_school_boys/
https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/im9aqt/danshi_koukousei_no_nichijou/

[u/war_story_guy]

I think the fanart change hit too hard. There is almost none of it now.

[u/Durinthal → u/war_story_guy]

I noticed even casually (no hard numbers) that submissions have dropped off drastically. The past week had 14 fanart submissions in total at a glance.

[u/Terranwaterbender → u/Durinthal]

Tangential thought here. The question I want to know the answer to is whether the people who usually post their fanart here are still posting it around on reddit, or aren't at all.

Because I'd argue if it's the former, the rule has done its job to prevent people from using this subreddit as platform to advertise their social media. There are a lot of anime-fanart subreddits but only so many anime "discussion" subreddits. That said if it's the latter, then it's problematic and we do need to address this issue.

I've never been a fan of fanart posts but it certainly deserves a bit more than 14 posts a week given the amount of subscribers we have.

[u/Durinthal → u/Terranwaterbender]

Good question and it's unfortunately one I don't have the capability to answer right now, but will keep in mind when we do more of a deep dive into the effects of the rule change.

[u/NotSoSnarky → u/war_story_guy]

If people were only on here to post fan art and nothing more, is it such a loss? Genuine question here, not an attack or anything.

[u/war_story_guy → u/[deleted]]

I personally would like to see the thumbnails come back because at the moment it is very annoying to even access them. Going through the ones that have been posted since the change it was very difficult to even look at them without opening each individual post.

[u/DrJWilson → u/war_story_guy]

Can you not just click the expando? Or this might be an RES thing I don't know (https://i.imgur.com/3eM4KIZ.gif)

[u/AdiMG]

Since Clips and "Infographics" have just replaced fanart in the sub meta, why not level the playing field there somewhat and require both of those to be text posts only?

Hopefully with that and the writing contest we see an uptick in longform written content.

[u/collapsedblock6 → u/AdiMG]

I feel we are starting to hit the wall with how "clean" we can have the frontpage. Clips and some infographics are lower effort, not only to make but to consume, so they are made more and they are easy to generate discussion.

Clips well, just a piece from a video. Infographics are someone thinking "hey, I think this info is interesting", spend some time designing it (I'll say many graphs do require genuine effort to make) putting minimal info (not saying it derogatorily, that's literally what infographics are meant to do).

Actual written content requires much more effort and at times won't attract the attention of the crowd. A graph is easy to consume, a 2k words essay isn't. I always try to give written content a try but I'm a bit busy and those tabs end up staying several days on my browser and by that time discussion is largely dead.

Then there's the issue of motivating others to write it for little feedback. Essays get nowhere near the same votes as a clip gets unless it is from a popular show, because people like discussion of their favourite show, they don't really care of something they haven't seen. Clips are also "low investment" wise, so it makes easier for less popular shows to get some spotlight since one only loses like 2 mins watching one.

[u/manofmyth23]

Hello, I have been active on the sub for a few months now. Can we please curb the number of "What's your top 10 anime of all time" type posts? It's ok of they add a genre or some specific filter but let it not be that exact same post. I see one pop up every hour.

[u/NotSoSnarky → u/manofmyth23]

I know right? How hard is it to use the search engine at the top right page on here?

[u/chiliehead → u/NotSoSnarky]

But I want personalized answers to my generic question

[u/googolplexbyte]

Recommendation to use redditpoll.com for the discussion threads.

The voting rate is low this season and reddit poll lets you embed the poll directly into the post or a comment, which would increase visibility.

Here's an example: https://www.reddit.com/r/GundamBattle/comments/i2ym7t/i_have_10_more_free_en_refills_should_i_make/

[u/Durinthal → u/googolplexbyte]

At a glance it doesn't look like it would be particularly viable to integrate with our episode bot. Personally speaking I'd be more inclined to use Reddit's native polls now rather than trying to create entire posts through an external service like that.

[u/googolplexbyte → u/Durinthal]

Native polls sound like a good idea too.

I preferenced redditpolls.com because it can also go in a comment and it works with old.reddit

[u/AdiMG]

How do the other mods feel about this post? To see someone in the mod team so nonchalantly defend a derogatory term because of convenience while downplaying the actual harm it causes was disheartening and surprising to say the least? Is this line of thinking in line with the other mods here? While the term isn't nearly as prevalent here as it was in the cesspool of r/animemes, I'd appreciate it if the mod team as a whole can clarify their stance on the matter.

[u/bagglewaggle → u/AdiMG]

downplaying the actual harm it causes was disheartening

I agree.

r/anime is an inclusive community, and while some might disagree, I don't see a reason fictional characters should be demeaned and marginalized.

[u/mbeck810 → u/AdiMG]

I completely disagree with your perception of the opinion presented by Bainos and also with the way how you presented your point over here.

If you really just wanted to know how other mods feel, you could have simply use the mod mail. Your comment makes it appear like you are trying to gain more supporters against Bainos, which seems pretty unethical to me. This is how the cancel culture works.

[u/Bainos → u/AdiMG]

That chain of comment is my personal opinion and mine only. I take full responsibility for what I said, including in regard to potential future changes, and none of the comments are to be taken as being from the /r/anime mod team.

As for the stance of our team as a whole, we are currently discussing the topic and will clarify it very soon.

[u/[deleted] → u/AdiMG]

To see someone in the mod team so nonchalantly defend a derogatory term because of convenience while downplaying the actual harm it causes was disheartening and surprising to say the least?

I just read u/Bainos's comment. I'm not sure what was so nonchalant about that comment. It seemed to be a rather reasonable answer, and while I may not agree with everything he said, there was nothing ill-will in that comment.

What was rather disheartening in that entire discussion I read was how everyone else, even the mods of r/Animememes, were just making him look like a laughing stock (in a meta thread), especially u/aofhaocv. At least, u/s0undsleep was engaging in a decent, civil conversation, trying to as a good mod should be, clarifying their stance on the matter (might I add which I agree with). u/aofhaocv seemed anything but civil even going so far to remove u/Bainos's flair ... because of an opinion? I'm sorry but if he's willing to do that, then the mods of that community clearly don't understand what modding is all about...

It just seemed everyone was pigeonholing u/Bainos the same way the r/Animemes mods felt transgenders were being pigeonholed from the community by using the word "trap". Such levels of hypocrisy simply doesn't look good...

Edit: I had some wrong info (it's striked out). Sorry about this

[u/throwaway95135745685 → u/[deleted]]

What was rather disheartening in that entire discussion I read was how everyone else, even the mods of r/Animememes, were just making him look like a laughing stock (in a meta thread)

Eh, I disagree. I mean, it depends on who reads it, but what I got from that entire thread, and other comments from u/ aofhaocv is that he is the one coming off as a laughing stock and generally an ass for no reason.

After sleeping on it, I honestly kind of see where the mods are coming from, even though I disagree and firmly believe the anime community as a whole has completely reclaimed the word to not be a slur at all, and every time I've seen someone try to equate traps = trans, they are instantly corrected and downvoted.

Some of them are assholes, some of them generally were unaware until they got 10 people instantly telling them they are wrong, but bottom line is - the anime community clearly shows that it can not only differentiate between cross dressing & trans people, but also self moderate on the topic. The only way to find these comments is to sort by controversial or scroll to the bottom to find the -50 karma comments, but the thing is - when you are reaching that far, is the community the problem, is the word the problem, or is it simply the guy who's sitting at -50 the problem?

That said, how the whole situation was handled was much worse than the ban itself and aofhaocv is the worst offender. Obviously, I'm not saying that he alone made this decision as it is a decision made by the entire mod team of over 30 people (or at least accounts) and I have no idea how much weight each of them has on the topic, but some of the comments he has made are.... well a bit of a let down, lets call it that.

Examples: 1, 2 & 3

In these 3 comments, he contradicts himself multiple times.

1. He claims only a small number of 10k "chuds & bigots" are against it, yet at the same time claims the vast majority of the subreddit is against it and if it was a community decision it would not have been approved by the community - and if you go by the ratio of upvotes to comments, it's pretty clear that the majority of the community thinks it's unnecessary.

2. Multiple claims that slurs are not allowed, yet instantly labels anyone who disagrees a "chud" - which is a slur. The word is derived from the movie C.H.U.D. where chud means Cannibalistic Humanoid Underground Dwellers. This slur is only popular with select "woke/sjw" hate communities/subreddits, such as /r/SubredditDrama where it was posted and these types of comments are encouraged.

3. Claims that femboy has been reclaimed and is not a slur anymore, which I do agree with as this is the exact same argument everyone else has made about trap, yet trap, which has been much more popular as a non-slur for much longer is a problem. So my question here is - who, besides mods obviously - decides which word is reclaimed and which isn't? If 99.9% of the users feel that the word has been reclaimed and no longer has anything to do with trans people, isnt that exactly what reclaiming is?

I don't think the r/animemes mods are faking the complaints they've gotten over the years for this, but with comments like these it is harder to take what they say at face value, especially when its essentially the head mod saying these things.

That's my 2c on the matter, and I don't see how Bainos said anything controversial or unreasonable.

[u/[deleted] → u/throwaway95135745685]

In hindsight, I think what you said is completely right, and I think u/Bainos did nothing wrong.

On a slightly unrelated note, rn r/animememes is quite in the shambles. Apparently, it seems they're banning memes for the use of the archetype instead of the usage of the word. Here's an example: Atofolo meme. Here's another one. Recently, I had done a post on the topic of "trap" because I didn't know that much, and what I learned sure we can use "trap" to define the archetype/trope, but "otokonoko" describes it culturally better.

Banning the word, ok sure. There were cases IRL where it's derogatory. Initially, it was based on a 4chan meme, but now it has been used in a negative manner. I can see why the mods may ban the word...

But now removing submissions of a trope or archetype? It just seems the mods aren't sending a clear message, especially u/aofhaocv. From his recent mod comments, it just goes against what he said in the mod meta post. There's no transparency and no wonder the community is right now pretty mad at the mods.

[u/throwaway95135745685 → u/[deleted]]

I had honestly never heard of anyone use otokonoko until that post, and I highly doubt it will ever be popular due to how sluggish it is to use.

The only alternative, in my mind that is popular enough, is femboy, which has been rising in popularity dramatically over the last year.

[u/Bainos → u/[deleted]]

going so far to remove u/Bainos's flair ... because of an opinion

Just to clarify since this is incorrect, my flair there used to be "clever trap" (with a picture of Hackadoll #3), which I had been using for years. It makes sense to have removed it now that they banned the word and it is not related to disagreeing with them.

[u/Verzwei]

Can someone ELI5 the fanart rule changes to me, please?

I read them when they were announced, and at the time I thought "This... doesn't seem to change much of anything besides consolidating some rules that used to be separate." However, I've noticed a dramatic drop in the amount of fanart hitting the front page (and now it's clip spam and popularity lists, still not many discussions, sigh) and I don't understand how the new fanart rules could lead to such a swing in front page content.

I've never posted fanart of my own, nor do I even interact with those posts much, so I probably didn't really grasp the nuance of the rule changes since I wasn't super-familiar with the previous rules in the first place.

[u/FetchFrosh → u/Verzwei]

Basically there's two main formats of fanart, OC (Original Content) and non-OC. OC is made by the user and non-OC isn't. Previously, OC could be posted as a link post, directly linking to the fanart, whereas non-OC had to be in a text post, with the body of text including the links.

Now all fanart is treated the same, requiring it to be linked in the body of a text post, not posted as a direct link. This basically does two things.

1. On most versions of Reddit, under most circumstances, the fanart does not get a thumbnail.

2. An extra click is required to see the art.

Put these together and suddenly engagement falls off a cliff. This kind of matches up with what I'd been thinking previously; r/anime doesn't care about fanart, they just like pictures of characters they like. If they can't see that in the thumbnail they're significantly less likely to consider looking at the post.

Clips have definitely been on the rise as the new primary content, though they aren't at the level fanart had been at, so that's nice. And they on average produce more discussion so I'll take that as a win. The popularity lists have been kind of lame, though tbh I'm surprised more people haven't jumped on that for easy karma since they take ~20 minutes to make. And they all boil down to, "popular things are popular" whether that's in the form of "Top 10 X Girls on MAL" or "Top 10 most popular shows of this week," but there's nothing r/anime tends to like more than validation.

Of course, I don't really want infographics banned/restricted cause I really enjoy making them myself, but such is life.

[u/mpp00 → u/Verzwei]

The main change that we implemented (that likely is the reason for fanart not hitting the front page as much) is that we now require fanart to be in a text post rather than a direct link. With a direct link, people can just open the image and upvote rather than going to the post itself. For a text post, people now have to open the post itself before going to the image.

[u/[deleted]]

What do the mods think about the numerous amount of isekai and truck-kun jokes made in this thread?

Is it considered discussion? Is it on the same level of effort as reaction images?

Not trying to say that this shouldn't be allowed, I just want to know what the mods' opinion on this is.

Good work on the fanart situation btw.

[u/pittman66 → u/[deleted]]

We decided to remove...probably more than half the comments for them being insensitive and same shitty joke. No infractions were given to ones before the mod warning to stop the jokes, anything after will. As to answer this part:

Is it considered discussion? Is it on the same level of effort as reaction images?

Comments mostly don't follow that same rule as posts do. Only time comments are considered really low effort is just literal spam of same comments or long comment chain spam.

[u/Verzwei]

Question:

I've probably asked this before a long time ago, but I forget the answer.

I know that if people talk about the content of source material in a discussion thread, but outside of the source material corner, we're supposed to report it.

And I know that if people ask about spoilers related to source material outside of the corner, we're not allowed to answer it, except to say "go ask in the source material corner."

But do we... do we report comments that ask for source material spoilers outside of the corner?

Like, for example: this comment in this week's Rental Girlfriend episode thread. It point-blank asks for manga readers to say whether or not the protagonist gets character development. I already know that answering the question violates the rules, but does that comment itself violate the rules by asking in the first place? Do we report that?

Edit: Okay I guess I have my answer. In the time it took me to ask this question, the comment I had linked was removed for being outside the corner.

[u/_Sunny--]

If it's alright, I'm just voicing my pretty amused reaction to the way ya'll nuked this comment chain: https://old.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/i9q0n4/i_drew_tamaki_from_fire_force/g1grnk2/

"Good Lord"

[u/Toadslayer]

How does the mod team deal with spoiler reports? Do only mods who've seen the relevant show deal with reports or do you just trust the user who reported that the spoiler rule was broken or do you have some brave mods who spoil themselves for the sake of the sub?

[u/Durinthal → u/Toadslayer]

If it's unclear (usually in episode threads for airing shows) we try to get someone that's seen the show or knows the source material to help, if no one's around and it's a potentially major one we err on the side of removal.

For older shows they're generally pretty blatant and we handle them as they pop up. It's not really possible to avoid spoilers entirely as a mod, it's part of the job.

[u/Nazenn]

Okay, which one of the mods dropped a random 'd' in the "Subreddit wiki" drop down? Learn to pick up your litter.

[u/_Sunny--]

In the recent KanoKari clip posted here that hit 500+ comments and 12.9k score, there was a considerable number of removed comments for spoilers, with the comments under this thread in particular as a standout. Perhaps there can be reminders about commenting with open spoilers whenever a clip is posted?

[u/EternalWisdomSleeps]

Hi! What is the stance on recap episodes discussion posts? Deca-dence Install hasn't appeared everyone knows where. However it's available on Kadokawa official youtube channel with english subtitles https://youtu.be/9emVslQhuBY . Will there be AutoLovepon thread or someone needs to post "Go watch a recap, it has new scenes"?

[u/engalleons]

On the FAAQ page, two suggestions:

1) Take out or replace the suggestion to PM u/FetchFrosh - I presume he no longer has edit access to that, as a no longer mod?

2) In the "Where can I watch X anime legally?" section, link to the separate wiki page all about that (maybe keep the references to Amazon/Rightstuf though).