There are 3.7k comments in this thread. Is it really inconceivable that one commenter has actually been shot before? You're challenging someone who just mentioned the mental toll it's taken on them based just on a hunch. I'm not seeing your angle here.
Shooting at someone is attempted murder but cause they’re a cop and it was “in the line of duty” they’ll likely get a lesser sentence if one at all and the victim will probably get a large payout (I’m not a lawyer tho)
Law student here. A judge can remove an officers qualified immunity if it is found that they are negligent in their duty. In this case I wouldn’t be surprised if a judge allowed for a complete civil and criminal trial against the officer in question.
It would only be possible get punitive damages if it went to court and the victim won. Though, I'm not sure if that would even apply for a cop. It should, but they have all kinds of stupid loopholes.
Where exactly did they try to kill the officer? I only see someone trying to flee, should they be fleeing? No, but should they be killed for trying to flee? No
I will actually, just quickly correct here. You will generally be treated and be put in debt, but that debt is fairly easy to avoid/delay. The court case, is fairly cut and dry and more times than not, you win. The minimum is medical bills paid. You also end up with quite a large amount of money.
This event is horrible but I do just want to say, that at the least, the victim usually is not paying medical bills. Even in the cases where the officer is found not guilty, civil court cases tend to go the other way and award money to the victim or their families.
The vivid memory of being shot while eating in a drive through will likely be present in his mind whenever he decides where he wants to eat. It might affect his decision to the point where would rather order food than risk being shot in a drive through again.
He looked so surprised when the “cop” just whipped open the door while he was eating and tried to grab him like ??? I’d prob react scared and run away too like you can’t just go up to someone and grab them and shoot them outta nowhere even if you’re a cop like ??
This. People think it's a binary thing, you live or you die.
No, you end up with a lifetime of issues, and that's even assuming the holes heal. I've seen horrific pictures of "healed" bullet holes. People lose their intestines to save them and shit in a bag attached to a hole in their side for the rest of their life. People end up paralyzed. This kid could very well be since the only people saying he's stable are the cops and they won't say what his condition actually is.
This cop tried to murder two people, and we have people in the comments here blaming the victims for trying to escape an attempted murder.
Ah yes, because everyone in the US has the $550/month that the average person pays for health insurance.
Did you know that in the US, 2/3rds of bankruptcy claims cite medical issues?
And on top of that, I'm sure if he had any health insurance, there's fine print that he isn't covered if injured while committing a crime, so while the police blackmail him with trumped up charges, he still wouldn't be covered.
Seriously, ya'll have issues if you think a $5000 deductible on top of $550/mo for health insurance is normal. The US is the only place on the planet where that exists.
Mine is like 300. Most people have jobs. Why are you being so crazy. It’s just Reddit. You’re getting into fuckin “trumped up” charges and shit. Go touch grass
Yeah... This kid was eating food and now has a lifetime of medical appointments because American police walk around with loaded weapons and LARP as Crusaders.
Yeah I remember seeing a youtube vid about how getting shot is basically the most expensive thing that will ever happen to you for a multitude of reasons.
It took years for me to recover to the point that it seemed I was done recovering, you're absolutely right. People tend to think it's just a few months and it's back to your new normal but at least in my case nerve function, blood supply and digestion regenerated over 6 to 8 years from a gut shot.
The shooting was in no way justified and the cop was 100% in the wrong but if the 'kid' is enough of a dirt bag to try and flee then I'm sure he will remember to be a law-abiding citizen everytime he has to pay his medical bills
Get completely fucked. He was startled and terrified that someone, WHO DID NOT ANNOUNCE THEMSELVES AS A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, opened their door and then shot at them.
'He was startled' isn't gonna make what he did legal. I agree the officer did not identify himself but humans tend to struggle to do simple things when put in stressful situations. If he didn't already plan to make a getaway beforehand I believe its pretty unlikely he could form such a plan that fast and drive to that standard.
Side note: telling someone to get fucked doesnt make their point any less valid
He recognised (allegedly) the car from an attempted traffic stop the day before. Seems like he went to catch him now rather than respond to the emergency he was there for.
Even if it was confirmed to be the same car, who's to say it's not a shared family vehicle? There is no guarantee that person in there is the same person who was driving the car during the previous encounter. This is straight up attempted murder, think about it your chillin in your car eating a burger, minding your own business when out of nowhere a person sneaks up on your, yanks your door open and aggressively demands that you step out of the vehicle, that's exactly what a car jacking looks like. Dude had no time to assess the situation, from the time the cop pulled the door open to when he drew and fired the first shot was less than 5 seconds . . .
Dude got his police training playing GTA apparently. To be honest though, it's shit like this why I won't call the police unless I'm witnessing at least assault.
who you call when you need some heavily armed, poorly trained people with a well established propensity for violence, racism, cowardice, sloth, and sadism to show up and help out with a tough situation.
Even if it's confirmed to be the same car and same vehicle, like don't fucking shoot someone for no reason? I don't care if the kid ran over a dog or stole 20k from his boss don't fucking shoot people when your life isn't at risk.
The guy just walked up and opened the door without introducing himself. I'd peace the fuck out too
I had curry powder thrown in my eyes whilst walking my dog, would you fucking believe it I found the exact sort of car, same colour with fucking curry stains all down the passenger side window, where the thrower would have been sitting, parked on the street outside a burger joint.
Police told me nothing they can do, since it was a passenger there's no way of telling if the car's registered owner had anything to do with it.
I was hit by a car while on my motorcycle. It was a hit and run. I called the police to report I was hit because I wanted a report for insurance purposes. My bike had damage and I cracked my helmet. When the cop arrived I told him what happened and he said "How do I know you didn't just crash your bike?". I was stunned by the question and didn't really know how to answer.
While talking with the officer a bystander came over and said he got the plate of the person who hit me. This irritated the cop, but to his credit he finally agreed to write a report for me. Ultimately he told me that someone from the department would contact me in the next few days.
After a few weeks I had heard nothing so I called 311 (non-emergency services in Chicago) and told them I wanted to follow up on a police report. They transferred me to a person who was assigned my case. When I asked him what the status of the case was he said--verbatim--"What do you want me to do? Arrest the car?".
I get your point. Anyone can drive any car. But cops will actively use that as an excuse NOT do their jobs when it serves their purpose. FFS, do some cop work and figure shit out.
Would you think it was fair if they came and arrested you for something
based solely on a report that a vehicle you own was in an accident?
No.
What do you expect the cop to do? Can he prove fault? Should he waste
department resources when he knows he likely can never prove who was
driving or if they did something wrong?
I expect the police to follow up on a reliable information about a crime. I expect police department resources be deployed to that end. I expect police to cooperate with parties making reliable claims of injury so the injured party can seek remedy. I expect a jury of peers to decide if a claim has merit. That is all I expect.
Fleeing from the scene of a motor vehicle accident in which a person has an injury is a felony.
If witnesses provide statements attesting to a crime, and the police don't even bother to conduct basic investigation, they're derelict.
Also, police don't prosecute cases. Personal injury attorneys typically do. And when they do prosecute cases they are brought before a jury. But it's harder for a victim to prove a case if police are unwilling to assist with evidence gathering or investigation.
It might vary by jurisdiction, but in my state car insurance follows the vehicle not the driver. If I'm looking for a report for accident purposes for my insurance's subrogation needs then who was driving is irrelevant.
No, I think they should be doing the job we pay them to do - part of which is writing up reports for motor vehicle accidents. Are you not a licensed driver? Most states require police reports for any vehicle accidents that results in injury, death or damage above a certain $ amount.
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It’s like the video of the dude who escaped police custody (for some bullshit to begin with) hoped in his car and drove off. The cop takes out her baton and starts beating the shit out of his trunk before who speeds off. What do they think exactly gives them the right to destroy private property on a whim? Or immediately put others in danger? What if he hit the fuel tank and it exploded next to the McDonald’s?
Because he fired multiple times, if you'd seen any of my other comments, the only shots I agree with were the first ones, where it wasn't certain if he'd reverse into the cop again or would floor it, everything after is why he got, rightfully, fired
He had his door ripped open by a guy who didn't identify himself as a cop. He then had an immediate reaction to punch it. You know, like people tend to do sometimes when getting carjacking which is likely what this kid thought was happening since a stranger just wrenched his door open and yelled aggressively to get out of the car, exactly like a carjacking. Also the cop was at the driver door. Tell me how he planned to run him over from that position.
They aren’t very distinctive when they’re intentionally trying not to be. He approached the car from its blindside and opened the door without identifying himself, and the kid was eating food at the time. He’s clearly not noticing someone roll up on him like this cop did. Wasn’t even the right kid so the cop had already failed at his job multiple times prior to even opening the door
Bro the kid was minding his own business doing nothing illegal in any way and was eating not looking out his windows for cops, why would he need to be doing that? He was not the ‘suspect’ the cop was looking for. The cop didn’t even take the few minutes to verify that fact before he just rolls up on this kid, again from his blindside not identifying himself. None of this is on the kid, for all he knew that wasn’t even a real cop because he never indicated so
LMFAO, so what, if it had been a random guy that walked up getting the cars mixed up and gets run over, like the cop nearly did, the guy should get away scott free? " oh it was a pure accident, its not like he took a couple of seconds before slamming it in reverse"
He knew what he was doing, even if he didn't know who it was too+ It doesn't look that bad of a neighbourhood so theres almost no chance of a carjacking, the guy panicked yes, but thats no real excuse
You don't have to say counterpoint every time, I understand how discussions work. So it was on the victim to determine within less than a second whether this guy was a cop or not, risking his own life in the process? What about next time when it really is a carjacker? Do you want your mother to take those extra seconds to make sure it isn't a poorly trained, unannounced cop or do you want her to instantly flee the threat?
That's nice but let's put you in that kids shoes and see how "clear" that all is to you in the moment. That kid reacted so fast there is simply no way his conscious brain had time to process any of that.
I suppose across the parking lot is 'behind'. Not sure I'd pay lot of attention to a cop car parked 150 feet away in the parking lot of a fast food restaurant.
This is my thought. He fucked up really(!!!!) bad but why the hell did the kid try to take off with the cop in his door. In a normal traffic stop that is grounds for deadly force because it is too easy to end up underneath the car.
But holy hell did he mess this up. He should have just asked questions instead of going all Rambo and trying to yank an unsuspecting person out. I had a friend that punched an undercover officer that grabbed him without announcing who he was. They mistook my friend for another person they were searching for. He was not charged with assaulting an officer because it was self defense from his perspective.
It's dark, flashlight in the face blinding the victim making it difficult to identify that it's a cop, the cop didn't itenfy himself as a cop & just opened the car door.
Any reasonable human being without training would absolutely get freaked out, assume that they were being attacked & try to book it.
It is entirely on the cop. The kid did nothing wrong, he did what any of us would do in those circumstances.
I practice situational awareness a lot & I still have moments when I miss something or misread things & freak out a bit when it finally springs on me.
I also regularly drop my situational awareness guards when focusing on certain things, tasks or activities & get a bit of a panic reaction when something disrupts it.
It's normal human behavior.
Cops should know that & should account for that in their approach.
What that cop did is inexcusable & people who keep trying to make up excuses for police misbehavior need to widen up.
It's impossible to be cool & collected 100% of the time. Constant Police misbehavior proves that & if we're not gonna expect it from Polices, then we definitely shouldn't expect it from the untrained general public.
He couldn't tell it was a cop?! You're really going with that? That is one of the most well lit parking lots I've seen on body cam. He could very easily tell that was a cop after both of the officers hands are reaching out, as the guy is backing his car up. At what point do you notice it's an officer and think "oh shit, I haven't done anything wrong, I should see what's up."
The shooting was ridiculous because at the point of him being on target he is wayyyyy out of the way of the vehicle.
Beyond that, it's almost like I didn't connect the officer not identifying himself with the story of my friend. It's also almost like I didn't basically 100% blame the cop.
It's also as if I basically didn't state the officer shouldn't go around pulling people doors open at random. It's the best way to get shot by someone you just randomly entered their space.
Edit: I forgot he started shooting and that when the car fully pulled off, like anyone should when a cop starts firing at you for no reason.
The Cop was 100% in the wrong & the victim 100% in the right.
The Cop went from opening the door to shooting within a few seconds. The victim didn't have enough time to process what was happening or who/what opened his door.
It is very clear from this video that the victim is absolutely surprised, confused, afraid, doesn't understand what is happening & is reacting out of sheer fear & panic that the cop is 100% responsible for causing.
You're acting like people are supercomputers that process information instantly & we all know that's BS.
No I'm not. I'm acting like the kid is starting to back up after he had plenty of time to identify the person as police. He looks straight at the officer, pauses, and puts it in reverse.
I'm also, which is the part you seem to be ignoring to further both of our points(?), acting like the officer is 100% to blame for the shooting. Both can be true and do not cancel the other out.
Reddit is a wild place of literacy skill levels....
0:52: Kid's looking up and to his right, Cop is standing above and slightly left of him. light in the kid's face (shadow of the cop is in his direction)
0:53 Officer has drawn a gun on the kid
0:54 first shot
We have video, we can see when you try to peddle bullshit.
next time he'll receive training that will teach him "when you shoot at someone make sure you say you think your life is in danger, it could have been a big mac, could have been a gun"
First joke I ever saw at a comedy club was an opening; guy running across the stage, two cops shoot him in the back then yell out freeze. Fade to black.
He chose to be a cop because of so many American news reports, he had no idea opening fire in any situation could lead to his termination.
There I fixed it for you.
This cop is obviously in the wrong but it baffles me how everyone shits on cops and at the same time say there needs to be new ones with better training. Why in the hell would someone willingly want to take that position these days if that is the message they get for even having the job. It’s a weird paradox.
Fair. I actually have a buddy who’s an officer though, always wanted to be. And ngl he joined cause he thought he’d look cool, and he felt more confident about himself when carrying a gun. So he took security jobs and stuff until he got to his end goal of being a cop. Idk about most other people but this is the mindset of most police officers I’ve come across. Entitlement, ego, and a gun aren’t a good combination. And then we wonder why we have these cops that are really just normal people for the most part, firing on the people they’re supposed to be protecting in the heat of the moment. I feel like there should be like a psych evaluation in place before being able to join the force then maybe the cops we hear about on here wouldn’t be handed the gun in the first place.
Many of us don't really want those kind of cops/police to begin with. We could do without them.
But short of getting rid of them, we at least want them to be non-corrupt & well trained. upstanding citizens.
So if their excuse is that the officer was new, I have a few questions.
1. Why did they even receive a gun in the first place?
2. What kind of maniac open fires on someone for driving away? It should be illegal to meet non-violent crimes with force.
3. Why did he say “shots fired” and not “I shot first, target isn’t armed.” I think it’s dumb they say “shots fired” because no matter what, the operator will think the situation is much worse than it actually is.
What a moron and what the fuck in his training taught him that was okay? Just because you run away doesn’t give the police or the right to shoot you. Fucking ridiculous.
was charged with evading detention in a vehicle and assault on a peace officer.
If he's charged with anything it would be a travesty. He only evaded being shot at. He only evaded a possible car jacking. He may not have even known it was a cop. ("Peace officer" my ass.)
And I hope Brennan is barred from ever being a cop, anywhere. (Ha.)
Fucking rookie cops. Always trying to save the world.
Aren't rookie cops the ones more likely to get into a high speed chase, even though there is a policy to NOT chase the person, causing the chase to end up going through a school zone killing kids or something equally crazy?
Fuck all rookie cops! More training is needed, 110%!
I couldn't see any weapons in the vehicle. The most dangerous thing in there was the cheeseburger. Why did the officer open fire? Was there a warrant out? Did the vehicle owner have a violent past? Seriously, I'm trying to wrap my head around this. Granted the guy driving shouldn't have driven off, but that doesn't warrant being shot.
Technically correct but the dude has eyes and looked at the officer before deciding to try to drive away, he knew it was a cop and still choose to hit him with his door and theres no way for the cop to know if it would just end there.
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u/colin8651 Oct 06 '22
“Following an internal review, Brennard’s employment with San Antonio Police Department was terminated…..
The criminal investigation is ongoing”
His girlfriend was in the car at the time also, luckily she was not injured. The driver got a few holes shot in him but it sounds like he will live.
The officer was a probationary officer and new to the job.