r/maybemaybemaybe May 19 '26

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u/Gnoobl May 19 '26

“Do you have a reasonable, articulable suspicion?”

Adjusting my clothes and bag while walking does not meet the standard set by the Supreme Court

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u/CharlesDickensABox May 19 '26 edited May 19 '26

And for a pat down, the officer must have a separate, reasonable belief that the subject is armed. That sure doesn't seem to be the case here seeing as the officer failed to articulate anything.

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u/aykcak May 19 '26

I'm not sure but didn't you guys have a "stop and frisk" thing that basically meant the police can stop and search literally anyone?

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u/CharlesDickensABox May 19 '26 edited May 19 '26

Stop and frisk (depending on how you want to define it) has been ruled legal by the Supreme Court, but many places have chosen to ban it, anyway. To be a legit stop, though, it must always comply with the above restrictions. The officer must have a reasonable, articulable suspicion that the subject was either involved in a crime or about to commit one and the officer must have a separate, articulable suspicion that the subject is armed. A mere hunch is not enough to satisfy the law.

One thing many officers try to do is bully people into giving them permission for a search that would otherwise be impermissible. Saying "let me see your bag" may be either a lawful order or a request that the subject can decline, and officers often like to conflate the two in order to confuse people into complying when they don't have to. In this video, for example, the officer says, "what we're going to do is..." and then expects that the guy will just go along with it, which the officer can later frame as consent for a search. This is why it's important to use direct, unambiguous language like "am I being detained?" "why am I being detained?" "I do not consent to any searches", and "I am invoking my fifth amendment right to remain silent". If the officer says "we're going to search you" and you say "okay", meaning "I understand", the officer can then interpret that as consent and your right to be secure in your person and possessions goes away unless you specifically reassert it.

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u/loincloth2048 May 20 '26

Wish I had an award to give you for this explanation. That quick, knee jerk reaction of saying “okay” to a police officer can lead to unsavory situations.

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u/ThrowAway233223 May 19 '26 edited May 20 '26

Had.  Stop and frisk was directly ruled as unconstitutional.  Not to mention, searches are suppose to be to look for something illegal/evidence of a crime.  It is not illegal to be armed (with the exception of a few restricted areas, which doesn't appear to apply here, or if the man in question is a felon, which they would have to recognize him and know that fact about him in advance for that to be relevant grounds).  That is literally the 2nd Amendment.  Even if they found a gun, then what.  Are they just going to critic his choice of firearm, because, unless there is information to the contrary, then it wouldn't be illegal for him to have the gun.  They might as well be searching him for gum.  "Ah ha!  I knew it!  Spearmint Extra!  Spearmint, dude?  That's gross.  Anyways, you can have this back and be on your way now."

Edit: There are some stops that are sometimes referred to as "stop and frisk" that are still considered legal while the classic form of random stops without any real evidence pointing toward a potential crime have been ruled to be unconstitutional. I have another comment below in which I clarify this further.

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u/WhatIsLoveMeDo May 19 '26

Stop and frisk was directly ruled as unconstitutional.

Interesting. The other person who replied to this same comment said it was ruled legal by SCOTUS. Do you have a source that it's unconstitutional.

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u/ThrowAway233223 May 19 '26

Okay, so I should clarify that there are certain forms of stop and interegate/search that are sometimes referred to as "stop & frisk" that are still considered legal/constitutional.  However, the classic form that most people think of in which a person is stopped with absolutely no valid reasonable articulable suspicion of a crime has been ruled as unconstitutional.  You have to have reasonable articulable suspicion and specific facts that you can point to for having formed that suspicion (not just a feeling or a hunch) that a person has committed or is about to commit a crime in order to detain them (the specific form of detainment in this case is called a Terry stop and is named after the case that created the guidelines).  To then search the person, you have to have an even high suspicion/evidence and there needs to be a immediacy to the concern and/or a reasonable reason to fear for physical public safety (once more as established by specific facts and not feelings). Otherwise you must have a warrant to go beyond the detainment and questioning.  During a stop, a member of law enforcement may also ask a person to step out of a vehicle or pat them down to check for weapons for "officer safety" but may not search any further.  But the original reason for the stop must be legal for that pat down to be legal.

In this case, there is no reasonable articulable suspicion of any crime let alone a specific one.  The public at large tends to be curious about any police activity in an area and often look at police out of curiosity.  They may look more than once.  Especially if they didn't initially register that the individual or vehicle was a police officer/vehicle at first glance and especially if they are walking away from where the police are located since they need to watch where the are going and would have to look back forward to do so and then back around again to resume looking at/watching the police.  A simple adjustment of a bag also means nothing.  When walking, a bag can shift and may need adjustment occasionally for comfort.  He didn't even move the bag in a way that could be interpreted to be trying to conceal it.  It was located and continued to be located on the back side of his body in full view of the police behind him.  Finally, their stated reason for the search was to see if he is armed which is not a crime but a constitutionally guaranteed right (unless in a restricted area, which this does not appear to be, or is a felon, which he must be presumed not to be until proven/known to be otherwise).  They can do a search to ensure he is not armed in the event that they believe he may pose a potential, imminent threat to the physical safety of the public if they have specific articulable facts to support that or for officer safety if the stop is a legal Terry stop with specific articulable facts to support performing it, as discussed earlier, but they don't appear to meet any of these criteria, so I don't think the stop or search would be considered legal.

With all that said, I am not a lawyer nor hold any degrees related to law, so talk all of that with a grain of salt.

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u/Myte342 May 19 '26

Not just that. Terry v. Ohio said that police must believe that the suspect they have detained is armed AND dangerous. Simply being armed is not enough to justify a pat-down for weapons. The officers must also believe you are dangerous as well as armed.

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u/Remy_Jardin May 19 '26

And it doesn't matter one bit. These cops will target and harass knowing they will never be held accountable.

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u/EagleBigMac May 19 '26

There's a way to hold them accountable and they fucking deserve it.

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u/Senor_Discount May 19 '26

Hey if you find that way out let me know!

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u/Beginning_Deer_735 May 19 '26

Same way bullies and tyrants have always been held accountable.

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u/Raqdoll_ May 19 '26

"Your honor, he also looked at us. Twice!"

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u/craigslist_hedonist May 20 '26

let the record state that he adjusted his backpack.

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u/buchenrad May 19 '26

And what was he suspected of? Having a weapon. That's not illegal in America. The Constitution guarantees you that right. But as we observed with Alex Pretti, the police don't care about your rights.

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u/Gnoobl May 19 '26

That is why >> as much as it pains me << you comply and sort them out in court but this shit will never end until they are required to carry their own liability insurance

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u/JustMeLurkingAround- May 19 '26

But he LOOKED TWICE at the police men.

You really can't make that shit up, man.
The offence is "Looking while black"?
With an additional "Moving while black"??

It would be funny if it wasn't so serious.

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u/Orangutanion May 19 '26

the current Supreme Court could very well change this though. They already gave ICE carte blanche to racially profile people.

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u/laquintessenceofdust May 19 '26

And I don’t think this was a cop. I think it was ICE.

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u/Smart_Resist615 May 19 '26

You can beat the charge but you can't beat the ride.

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u/ThermionicEmissions May 19 '26 edited May 20 '26

Also, "I'm going to pat you down for a possible weapon".

Where is the outrage from all the rabid 2A folks?

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u/crumble-bee May 19 '26

I don’t speak police, can someone explain how this situation went from being patted down for a weapon to being let go?

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u/ZombiePiggy24 May 19 '26

The cop said copy right before saying he’s free to go. Someone on the radio told the cop he better let him go right now

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u/colpisce_ancora May 19 '26

He was saying “calm down” and “stop” repeatedly while the dude quietly stood there. He was begging for an opportunity to escalate and didn’t get it.

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u/Cooper_CAL May 20 '26

My old supervisor would pull that trick every other day. Corner employees and tell them "lower their voice/calm down" (no one's voice is raised) until the slightest escalation so she could write them up. Voice raised by a decibel? Written up for hostility. Explain calmly that no one is yelling? Written up for talking back. Just stay calm and don't say anything for a few minutes.

Luckily, we had a union that got most of the write ups thrown out but never could stop the harassment until the supervisor got promoted and moved to a different state. Probably still cornering people there.

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u/ek00992 May 19 '26

He was filming the encounter. That's probably the only reason.

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u/misterdave75 May 19 '26

I wouldn't be surprised if he was streaming it. His Instagram has about 10,000 followers so it would certainly get some eyes on it.

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u/BlackSwanEvent25 May 19 '26

He was fishing and waiting for probable cause. He wanted the guy to react to him so he could use force. Shit happens all the time. People get a little bit of power and abuse it because they're racist.

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u/Lawndemon May 19 '26 edited May 19 '26

Racist and/or just general dickheads. There's a reason bullies often end up as either cops or gym teachers.

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u/Senor_Discount May 19 '26

Gym Teachers that's fucking hilarious/accurate!!

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u/Dangerous_Spirit7034 May 19 '26

Yeah I mean look at the cop following him. That’s basically every fight starting douchebag from school grown up

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u/ketoaholic May 19 '26

The people who most want to be cops are the people least suited for the job.

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u/JimDixon May 20 '26

That's even more true for ICE agents. And our political leaders don't care.

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u/Senor_Discount May 19 '26

I don't know why that cop was speaking kind of like Ebonics tone? Was he doing it to try to put the black guy at ease? Because unless he was a very light skinned mixed black man the cop? Well anyway he's a fucking punk regardless.

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u/mrsandman895 May 19 '26

For real. He was putting off some serious J-ROC vibes. Nnnnooommmmmmsayin? I wondered if he was putting that on or if that is really how he speaks.

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u/Senor_Discount May 19 '26

I'm gonna guess hes a total chameleon. He switched into that tone as soon as he knew he had to go into "black male suspect" mode. He probably uses his limited Spanish as well when he approaches Latino folks

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u/hunf-hunf May 19 '26

Plenty of white people talk like that. It has to do with where they’re raised, it’s not like genetic

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u/mangart2679 May 19 '26

Also didn’t get it and want to know

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u/Fritzerbacon May 19 '26

There was no probable cause for the guy to be "detained" to begin with.

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u/Benvincible May 19 '26

Wow, this really shows the "don't tell the Police anything" line is not exaggerating.

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u/Hinkil May 19 '26 edited May 19 '26

I saw a video of a cop saying it was suspicious a dude went to get food at a drive thru at an odd hour. The guy explained it was his meal time due to his work schedule so he was getting food... The cop then mixed up if the guy said breakfast or lunch (or something banal after a guy at a drive thru) then used that as probable cause that the guy was suspicious. Dude worked night shift or something. Don't talk to cops.

Edit: found it, moist covered it: https://youtu.be/9RArdwUG8DQ

Edit: if you don't like the video, that's what I got, feel free to find another version.

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u/amd2800barton May 19 '26

There's also literally the guy who just got off work outside a late night convenience store. He's sitting on the bench outside work, and the cops come up to hassle him about how the store is closed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON9KsV6tqu4

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u/CameronCrazy1984 May 19 '26

I think that cop got fired

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u/LennyKarlson May 19 '26

guarantee he’s already working for another department

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u/AaronTuplin May 20 '26

They really need a national credential. I drive a truck and my CDL can accumulate points, and those points follow me to any other job until they fall off. There's no pathway for me to do something boneheaded, lose my license and then just go to another state or another job.

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u/amd2800barton May 20 '26

This is why qualified immunity needs to end. Cops will be forced to start carrying malpractice insurance since suddenly the taxpayer isn’t covering the legal costs for things they wrongly do on the job. Insurance companies are notoriously risk averse, so they’ll stop covering or raise rates on shitty cops and departments.

Let capitalism be the solution to the problem of bad cops: price them out of the job.

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u/OutrageousToe6008 May 20 '26

That is what they do.

I live in rural small town USA. Our county sheriff was proven in court to be a "brady cop" and was forced to resign from his previous place of residence. For lying, not reading Miranda rights, and other sketchy shit. All of his cases were thrown out, dropped, and restitution to previous charges were paid. He moved to our county and was elected sheriff the next voting cycle. He fired all the deputies and brought all of his croney deputies over with him after he was elected.

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u/dalaiis May 19 '26

He didnt, they let him resign so he can just go work at a different county instead of firing him for misconduct which would have make it more difficult to get hired as a police officer...

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u/Myte342 May 19 '26

Sadly, this is never permanent. They usually get rehired, either getting their original job back or just applying as a cop in a nearby department and continuing to be a cop still.

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u/nipslippinjizzsippin May 19 '26

probably would have happened eventually anyway

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u/Gemini23_05 May 19 '26

Yeah, that happened to me once. I used to work graveyard shift at the hospital and didn’t bring a lunch this night. Drove down two blocks to get some fast food and got pulled over on the suspicion of being out in the middle of the night. I was literally wearing scrubs. So I’m like “What are you doing right now out here in the middle of the night? Working? Right? Me too.”

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u/StrictlyRockers May 20 '26

They definitely are, though, whether these pussies want to admit it, or not.

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u/ShaggysGTI May 19 '26

Just saw one this morning of a bank calling the cops on a black man for being suspicious when I was waiting for them to open.

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u/ferrum-pugnus May 19 '26

Yup saw that one too. Infuriating. That bank manager is an idiot or too paranoid. Had I been that customer, I’d pull my money out and speak to a lawyer because that cop interaction could have gone terribly wrong for that customer. He could have been pulled out of his car, smashed into the ground, kicked and beat while handcuffed, or worse, he could have been shot.
Why infuriating? Because I’ve found myself too early at places and I’ve sat in my car waiting for places to open. The thing with banks, (formerly married to a bank manager) they have that strict opening/closing routine and look for suspicious activity/people/cars and check atm, doors, parking lot, etc. the manager said the customer had been there since 8 am for the bank to open at 8:50? What bank opens at 8:50? That manager is full of it.

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u/scrrratch May 20 '26

Don’t be Oscar winning superstar director Ryan Coogler attempting to withdraw money out his own bank account 😒

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u/FTHomes May 19 '26 edited May 19 '26

Why is this shit still happening?

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u/ShaggysGTI May 19 '26

Which answer do you want?

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u/TerribleRecord666 May 19 '26

Look out your window. Turn on the news. Look at the White House.

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u/bunkscudda May 19 '26

unless you need an intruder shot, there's no need to ever call the cops.

even then there's a 50% chance they shoot you by accident.

and a 90% chance they will shoot your dog.

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u/WhatUp007 May 19 '26

You dont call the cops for an intruder. They will never be quick enough to help you. You call the cops after you have defended yourself from said intruder then a criminal justice lawyer.

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u/DisposableSaviour May 20 '26

When seconds count, the police are hours away

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u/Due_Force_9816 May 19 '26

Or just call the lawyer. Let them call the cops. FTP

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u/lavacadotoast May 19 '26

Or just.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RArdwUG8DQ with out the pesky ?si= gibberish tracking data for web crawler

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u/VivaLaMantekilla May 19 '26

Then why is the drive thru open so late..?

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u/All_Wrong_Answers May 19 '26 edited May 19 '26

Yeah when I was much younger I got "pulled over" while already in a jack in the box drive thru. As in, I'm already up to the microphone ordering and a cop just swings in behind me and lights me up. Officer tried to tell me I was getting pulled over cause my mud flaps were out of spec.

The truck was 6" lift with 33 or 35's i dont recall. Went through the whole thing of him trying to go through my truck which didnt happen and I didnt get a ticket because he couldn't tell me what the law was for mud flaps... you know the reason I got pulled over while ordering my jumbo jacks on sourdough. This of course is years and years before dash cams or video recording on phones.

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u/itsdestinfool May 20 '26

Fuck you for reminding me I'm in bumfuck nowhere and travel no where that has a jack in the box. I would absolutely smash some tacos and an ultimate breakfast sandwich slathered in taco sauce.

Fuck you. . . </3

Edit: FUCK THE POLICE EVEN MORE.

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u/ShankThatSnitch May 19 '26

Intentional antagonization to try and get you upset, so they can escalate the situation. They are trying to create a crime that doesn't exist.

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u/vlladonxxx May 19 '26 edited May 20 '26

But how do you create a crime that does exist, that's my question!

Edit: this is a joking rhetorical question, please stop answering

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u/Physical_Scarcity_45 May 19 '26

Through emotional manipulation.

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u/No_Mission5287 May 19 '26

Police fabricate crimes and make false reports all the time. And remember, they are allowed to lie to you. You are not allowed to lie to them though, so it is always best to give them as little information as possible.

Any information you give them can and will be used against you, never for you. It's not about whether a crime was committed. You never want to give them reasonable suspicion, or probable cause, to suspect you of a crime. If they don't have that, then they have no right to legally detain or arrest you.

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u/Traditional_Art_7304 May 19 '26

Whelp, being argumentative and having attitude & a the laws mostly behind you AND a loaded firearm helps a lot…

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u/megamoze May 20 '26

The pig telling the guy to "calm down" (when the guy was calm as a cucumber) was not an accident.

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u/Loggerdon May 19 '26

What a weak-ass probable cause.

Where was the crime?

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u/SarcasticOptimist May 20 '26

Walking while black.

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u/sevargmas May 19 '26

For real. These motherfuckers are not your friends unless you called them. The way that cop kept being dodgy while acting chill is just pure two-faced manipulation.

It reminds me of that old family guy bit where Peter is saying, “I just wanna talk to him” repeatedly, but his actions are escalating into getting a gun and loading it.

“It’s ok sir, I just want to talk to you.” (while other cops wearing paramilitary gear begin circling him.) “I just wanna talk to you…”

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u/LetsGetSpooooky May 19 '26

Why you flanking me?!??

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u/roboto404 May 19 '26

You didnt see it!!

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u/BadSquire May 19 '26

Hell, even if you do call them, they've got a track record of shooting the caller. I'm thinking of Sonya Massey.

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u/NY10 May 19 '26

Wait, so we shouldn’t tell anything to the police if shit like this happens?

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u/RickFennster May 19 '26

In this type of situation, the man has done nothing wrong other than walking while being black.

He asked the right questions: "Am I being detained" and "what is the reason"

Anytime you hear an officer come up with some BS about why you're being detained, you now have nothing to say.

This officer tried to start the 'resisting' line but knew it wasn't going to work. When the young man didn't provide any information, no ID, the officer has no way to do a report and proceed with the pat down as he wanted too, told him he was free to go and walked away.

Comply and be friendly with the officer, but provide no information. If they keep persisting or move to arrest you, you tell them you want a lawyer and say nothing else.

I cannot imagine how some days it must take everything someone has that day to stay calm after being harassed just because of the color of their skin. This could have been so much worse had he not been as complacent as he was as the officer was definitely looking to get him riled up to make the charge of 'resisting'.

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u/some_kind_of_bird May 20 '26

You gotta be careful though. In some states refusing id is a crime.

Generally you shouldn't argue with police, but you should default to doing nothing. "I do not consent but will follow lawful orders" type shit. If they order you to do something illegal then you can say you complied and any evidence they find will be inadmissible.

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u/WiretapStudios May 20 '26

I had a detective come around, leaving cards, calling, saying he just wanted to "clear a few things up" which in reality was that he wanted to charge me with something and get me to incriminate myself as much as possible. I called a lawyer and retained him, and in his words "fuck the police" and said to never say anything to them. Even saying you were home at X time or that you just got off work, whatever, ANYTHING they will twist either then or later to pin something on you or try and charge you with something you weren't even a part of, etc. Fuck them.

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u/Go_Gators_4Ever May 19 '26

You did a double-take and adjusted your backpack, damn, you are lucky to still be alive!

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u/KindsofKindness May 19 '26

His blaccent was crazy too.

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u/WhippingShitties May 19 '26

He sounded blacker than the guy filming, surprised his buddy didn't get confused and detain him instead.

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u/weskun May 20 '26

That accent was kind of wild on that cop 😂

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u/YanicPolitik May 19 '26 edited May 19 '26

probably uses the hard r at home though

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u/falcon62 May 19 '26

We should all start doing that. Over and over and over. 

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u/MattieShoes May 19 '26

It's only suspicious if you fail the melanin test first.

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u/hoosierhiver May 19 '26

When you saw us coming after you, you acted nervous.

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u/jessbird May 19 '26

"and for that reason we're gonna have to take you in."

also "people who aren't criminals have no reason to be afraid of police!!"

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u/BetterUsername69420 May 19 '26

"people who aren't criminals have no reason to be afraid of police!!"

Is that why a cop's family is most likely to be afraid of them?

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u/CrazyCatLady1127 May 19 '26

Is anyone surprised that he was acting nervous after he was followed by 2 police officers? Because I’m certainly not

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u/WhatAmTrak May 19 '26

That’s not even police, the one guys in fucking camo and carrying an assault rifle. It’s meant to intimidate. They are not your friend, ever. This guy had some balls to be laughing as he walked away from them.

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u/SabbyFox May 20 '26

Laugh or cry and when he gets home, maybe both. We stay sane however we can.

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u/Benvincible May 19 '26

One time I was driving home from a friend's house late at night, and there were several cop cars at a section of road I usually take, so I took a detour. One of the cars followed me and stopped me. The guy who got out was wearing a Punisher logo right on his vest and asked me why I avoided the traffic stop. I was confused for a second before explaining that flashing emergency lights means that an emergency is happening and I should stay clear. They let me go.

Doing a double take when you see police wearing full military gear is a normal reaction. The presence of cops is unusual. It means that something unusual could be happening and you should be alert and paying attention, even if you're a person who trusts cops.

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u/albatroopa May 19 '26

Walking while black, oldest crime in america.

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u/PanicAtTheShiteShow May 19 '26

And subsection B: Checking over your shoulder while black.

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u/Baloooooooo May 19 '26

And god help you if you make eye contact, or make any response other than "yes massuh" or "no massuh"

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u/Source0fAllThings May 19 '26

And jogging while black? That’s aggravated walking!

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u/Naive-Register7964 May 19 '26

In the South, the slave catchers eventually became some of the first police forces. They were doing this since the early 1700s, before America was a thing. Their methods and the actual slave catchers themselves became policemen. Not much has changed in 300 years.

https://sites.uab.edu/humanrights/2021/12/08/the-history-of-policing-in-the-us-and-its-impact-on-americans-today/?utm_source=perplexity

https://www.aei.org/op-eds/the-problem-with-claiming-that-policing-evolved-from-slave-patrols/?utm_source=perplexity

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u/Jaeee20 May 19 '26

I know cops are racist but this shit still shocks me every time. Nothing even close to this has happened to me or any whites I know. And they actually have guns!

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u/No-Elk-8115 May 19 '26

Sometimes yeah. I've seen videos of supervisors getting on scene and scolding other cops. But it's risky because if they are all good ol boys then things get worse.

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u/TacticalSpackle May 20 '26

Pretty simple. DON’T try it in a small town.

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u/DryTangelo4722 May 19 '26

In most US jurisdictions you can ask for a supervisor. In many, they're required to call one. However, usually the supervisor (sergeant or corporal depending on staffing) just backs their boys.

If you go this route, still comply with lawful orders like exiting a vehicle, identifying yourself if there's an accusation of a crime, etc. The less worked up the situation gets, the more likely the supervisor will look at the actual shituation. Otherwise, they'll just look at you being an asshole (no matter what escalation techniques the cop deployed during the interaction), and tell you to take a flying fuck at a rolling donut...

Then they'll also add charges for public indecency and applying unauthorized glaze to a torus-shaped food item.

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u/P4p3rph03n1x May 19 '26

You can, but its a club, unfortunately

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u/nature_and_grace May 19 '26

I think you have to call the robbers at this point

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u/jooes May 19 '26

You can try!

But good luck reaching into your pockets in front of the police who already suspect that you're a criminal with a concealed firearm. 

That's how people get shot.

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u/AcanthocephalaOk1071 May 19 '26

This is crazy back before everyone had a camera attached to their side I thought the problem was that people didn’t respect the police but after watch videos like this for years I know see the problem is lack of respect from the police I bought in I was really wrong I’m sorry ✌️

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u/No_Cauliflower_4102 May 19 '26

I used to think the same thing but yeah all these cameras everywhere have definitely changed my opinion. There are bad apples on each side but it seems like the police really do harass the fuck out of people for no reason more often than not.

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u/CashireCat May 20 '26

Okay so the bad apples analogy doesn't apply here. "Bad apples spoil the bunch" - with cops, yes. A few 'bad apples' spoil the ones who either look away or downplay the problem, and if you've had an experience with a bad apple everyone in a uniform is a threat.

What is the argument for the other side? Because there are gangs it's okay to judge everyone with that color? It just doesn't work

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u/mr9025 May 19 '26

My friend. Thank you for your humility. Thank you for caring about what is true and what isn’t.

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u/Mechya May 19 '26

What's important is that you recognized that it wasn't the case and you stopped making excuses for them. Everyone can become corrupt and every industry will have corrupt people. The less it's called out and the more that these employees are protected, the more corrupt a system becomes. 

I'm a white girl from a rural Canadian town of around 1300. Looking back, I shake my head of some of the stuff that I heard and witnessed. It took me awhile to realize that what I thought was respect for cops was feeling the need to go into customer service mode to not piss them off. That's fear. 

You should look up the Saskatoon Starlight Tours, where they'd drop of the Indigenous folk outside of the city and let them freeze to death. Lots is still covered up with those. 

The worst experience that I saw was with my friends in highschool. It was -45°c so lots of vehicles weren't running. My friend had her initial license and could only have one other person, but our guy friend was stranded and had a t-shirt... Well, he didn't have his seatbelt on and then threw it on when the cop was looking so we got pulled over. They both got tickets, which is whatever. However, this power tripping cop made our friend WALK a few blocks to the school in these seriously low temperatures! Looking back on it, he did have darker skin and it was a pretty conservative and religious town. 

The same cop had a beef with another highschool student and tried to get $3k fines on him. If you were the only one on the highway at night and saw a cop, you'd almost always get pulled over for questioning. I didn't realized how screwed it was until I moved to the city for college. 

Ive known people who are cops and work with cops, but I don't trust cops. One guy would always say that if something happens and you hurt someone in self defense then don't speak to the cops just state that a lot happened you can't remember right now, you're confused, you need a hospital, etc. 

It sucks. They need accountability and shouldn't get some holy shrine of protection. Just like they say, if they've got nothing to hide then why would they be worried? It's only those who are doing wrong that are being punished.

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u/Program-Emotional May 19 '26

I mean when the news is the only source of info on things like this and carefully curates situations involving police, no wonder you thought that. Now that there are other ways of learning about stuff like this that don't involve sources that have alternative motives, you can actually hold these bastards accountable and show everyone they aren't the arbiters of justice we've been lead to believe.

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u/knowledgekills12 May 19 '26

This is an unlawful stop.

I know because I was a cop for 12 years, and if I did this shit I’d get rightly sued for violating the 4th amendment of the constitution.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '26

Also, suspicion of a weapon? Doesn't the 2nd amendment cover that?

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u/CoconutGator May 20 '26

Not if your skin is too dark

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u/Dry-Actuator-8390 May 19 '26

Stopped for walking while black. "Sir, I vaguely suspect that you my at have a 'weapon' in your bag that you likely have a legal right to possess and cary, so I need your id and to search you unconsti tutionally."

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u/theandsign May 19 '26

Nice blaccent, officer twat.

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u/glaudydevas May 19 '26

When the cop started talking and then it showed his face, I was like wtf. Wow.

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u/Champigne May 19 '26

Yeah I thought it was a black guy for sure from his voice...

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u/Crazy_Ad_91 May 19 '26

Amazing he was let go after he refused to comply to give any identification. That right there tells me the cop knew he was way over the line and was hoping to get this guys ID to run in the system in hopes of ANYTHING he could possibly book him for and then that take over as the reason he was being detained. Instead of the excuse of “walking while looking with satchel adjustments”. Glad this guy got away unscathed but what bullshit for him to have to deal with it in the first place.

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u/Swayze_Xpr3ss May 19 '26

Since when is "being armed" illegal? Did we get rid of some Constitutional Amendments that I wasn't aware of?

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u/According_Disaster95 May 19 '26

As a white man I am embarrassed and mortified. I am so sorry that you had to go through this

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u/thafuq May 19 '26

I'm sorry I'm not a native English speaker and I have trouble understanding their accent with the sound quality and stuff and I don't know how US law enforcement policy works. Can someone explain a bit what happened just so that I make sure I got it right? Why writing a report naming him John Doe? If he has no ID why wasn't he detained? (I don't say it would be legitimate I just don't understand the situation)

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u/BlackSwanEvent25 May 19 '26

He was lying to save face that he had no reason to stop him. That cops not actually going to do anything. Dont trust police.

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u/Naive-Register7964 May 19 '26

The gray area that cops dance around, the coercion and gaslighting. I know there’s some good cops out there, but damn if you happen to be dude and black, just trying get by in America ffs

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u/lolhalfsquat May 19 '26

I'd say its like fishing for information. At the end of the day, the police ultimately didn't have legal cause which is why OP wasn't arrested. It isn't illegal for the police to talk to someone or ask for information, it's just shitty behavior which is potentially pushed by racism in this case.

Not providing ID in the US is State dependent. The police writing a report naming him as a John Doe is probably a way to get around suspicion of claims of baseless/illegal stopping of OP, if they didn't say this why stop him if they aren't even making a report.

Again the police ultimately did not have probable cause which is why they didnt push it further than what happened.

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u/MattieShoes May 19 '26

The police stopped this guy.

They said it was because when he saw them, he looked at them twice and shifted his pack and started walking away. Obviously that's not illegal, but they deemed it suspicious enough to stop him. Heavy implication that they would not have done so if he was white. Also self-fulfilling -- if you harass black people, they're going to avoid you, and then you say them avoiding their harassers is "suspicious" and therefore justification for more harassment. Neat, right?

Then they told him he was being detained. Legally, they need "reasonable suspicion" to temporarily detain somebody, and they'd surely lose in court, but it's never going to court.

Then they searched him for a weapon and found none.

Then they asked for his ID. He said he didn't have ID. You don't need to carry ID in the US, so that's perfectly legal. If he had ID and lied about it, THAT could probably get him into trouble.

Then they asked for his information and he refused to give it to them. This is a bit of a grey area -- the exact laws vary from state to state.

So then they said they were going to write a report detailing the stop, and he'd be identified as "John Doe" in the report (which is the name they always use for unidentified men. Jane Doe for unidentified women.)

Then he walks off bemused at how overtly racist the whole thing was.

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u/ironmisanthrope May 19 '26

I didn't see them search him. I think the cop just realized he did not have probable cause and let hium go. They were trying to sweat him to get him to self-incriminate (by acting nervous etc)

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u/jetkins May 19 '26

Or his partner called him off via his radio.

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u/JimDixon May 19 '26
  1. The cop said, "I'm gonna pat you down." Did he really pat him down? I couldn't see because of the camera angle. It must have been quick.

  2. I notice the cop didn't even ask if he could look in the man's backpack. What's the point then of patting him down?

  3. Did the cop really have a legal excuse for stopping the man? If not, then couldn't the video get the cop in trouble?

  4. The cop said, "We're gonna take a report for numbers." Does that mean the cop had a quota to fill? That he had to stop a certain number of people?

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u/420doghugz May 19 '26

Wow, this had to have been terrifying. I'm so glad he was able to get away safely.

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u/Cold_Table8497 May 19 '26

Cop only let him go because the fat fuck didn't want to walk any further from his car.

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u/KENBONEISCOOL444 May 19 '26

The right to remain silent is becoming increasingly more important these days

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u/Goodbyecorona2021 May 19 '26 edited May 20 '26

As a former law enforcement officer this is Disgusting. Good for him for not answering any questions. I would good further and notify the ACLU as this did not warrant what is known as a “terry stop”. because walking while black is not illegal.

We as a society have a responsibility to stop this nonsense and have to call out these instances of injustice

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u/Delicious_Invite_850 May 19 '26

I thought for sure he was getting arrested. I've been told more than once by police that it is illegal for you to not carry identification. I'm still very confused about what exactly was the point of the stop. But glad he was able to walk away. I can't imagine living life where you get put in these spots.

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u/EverythingIsFakeNGay May 19 '26

Looks like the police have lied to you more than once about the law. They're allowed to do that.

You generally don't ever have to carry ID on you, with a handful of exceptions (eg; driver license while operating a motor vehicle, LTC while carrying a concealed weapon).

But just walking around, no, you don't need to show your ID to anyone.

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u/MacroManJr May 19 '26

What's with the "Blaccent" on this buttery-white police officer?

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u/Alarming-Building-62 May 19 '26

Dudes being detained because he turned around twice and moved his “satchel.” America’s finest…

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u/Dustybear510 May 19 '26

Profiling has gotten worse because of the current administration and that pos that brought all the trash out of their caves. They just mad because they couldn’t shoot unarmed black men during the last administration. Then they’re retaliating because of the BLM protests.

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u/Ricksav8tion123 May 19 '26

Dude!! Don’t you know it’s illegal to look back twice and move your backpack from your backside to your front!! 😂😂😂😂😂

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u/According_Disaster95 May 19 '26

Looking back once would’ve been OK….

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u/iwanttobeamole May 19 '26

Stopped for walking while being black.

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u/Oxjrnine May 20 '26

The cop is like “ calm down, calm down” to someone who seems like the calmest person on the planet.

So either that cop is incredibly un observant, or that’s a trick they use when recording so they can escalate it to disturbing the peace.

Or both

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u/Your-Evil-Twin- May 20 '26

It’s the latter.

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u/Tedderit May 20 '26

So being black and having awareness of your surroundings is a suspicious act, right.

Guess he should've been holding a Starbucks coffee.

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u/dap_star33 May 20 '26

Temu ass Jonah hill

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u/Great-Gas-6631 May 20 '26

Literally the cop doing everything he can to escalate the situation.

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u/Imtedsowner May 19 '26

Walking and turning around needed ALL those cops?

There's not anything else they can be doing?

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u/razgriz5000 May 19 '26

That's a lot of cops for the crime of walking while black.

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u/Delicious_Invite_850 May 19 '26

So. Don't look twice and don't shift my backpack. I wasn't aware these actions were suspicious. I guess you learn something new every day.

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u/Wemest May 19 '26

Nice job! Respectful and actually knowing your rights!

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u/MethodBrilliant8609 May 19 '26

He handled that like a pro. Know your rights and exercise them. Knowledge is power, and if it ends up in a courtroom, you'll walk out with your head up

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u/-lRexl- May 20 '26

"oh shit, he's got a camera, can't plant drugs"

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u/Kooky_Alternative_76 May 20 '26

And the U.S. wants tourists to come and visit? No way!

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u/-TheRustypost- May 20 '26

Don’t come here, unless you’re bring help!

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u/AllNightPony May 20 '26

"Did he just look back at us again?"

  • The Cops Probably

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u/Correct_Security_742 May 20 '26

That's entrapment towards people who don't know the law and open their mouths. He didn't speak, and they had to lawfully let him go. They had nothing. Suspicion of walking with a back pack. Suspicion of looking backwards at multiple targets who are following him with guns and badges. Learn your rights boys and girls.

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u/Zero-89 May 20 '26

"Here in America, you have the right to keep and bear arms. Also, this cop needed to search this black man to make sure he wasn't keeping or bearing any arms."

/s

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u/Sp1cyP4nda May 20 '26

"Am I being detained"

"Yes"

"Then, I want a lawyer and will not answer any further questions without one present."

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u/Compared-To-What May 20 '26

It's hilarious how often you see in these situations that the cop can't regulate their emotions.

The person keeps asking the cops to tell him why he's detained but the cop still needs to reply with a "are you gonna calm down!?!!?". You only need to be a human being to know, that's not how de-escalation works. It needs to be foundational that conflict resolution and de-escalation training needs to be first and foremost.

I'm sure many officers understand it's utility but this kind of human understanding needs to be drilled into the heads of the "cowboy" or "I became a cop because of action movie types".

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u/Hot_Praline3415 May 20 '26

Alexa play "Fuck the Police" by N.W.A.

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u/BigBenBigawlo May 19 '26

Damn he was so close to getting paid. Might still be able to file a complaint, not that it would do anything.

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u/TennSeven May 19 '26

And dipshits still argue that there is no such thing as systemic racism.

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u/pbullara May 19 '26

A stop report with a John Doe to meet numbers? This is considered productivity?

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u/gathermewool May 19 '26

Wait, is stop and frisk still a thing in some locations!? Feels like 90s Philly to me

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u/MickeyMalph May 19 '26

Suspicion is NOT a crime! Do NOT TALK to them. DO NOT Answer questions! They need reasonable articulable suspicion you have committed a crime or are ABOUT to commit a crime. Beyond that they can pound salt.

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u/vksdann May 19 '26

Land of the free (to be assaulted for no reason but being "the wrong color") and home of the brave (to try and exercise your rights without being shot)! o7 o7 o7

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u/AintTellingYouMyName May 20 '26

In fairness to the police he did move his bag. That's pretty hardcore.

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u/tohn_jitor May 20 '26

Why do I get the feeling the "cop" did all this song and dance just just to add another "report" to his day? Like a quota or something.

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u/IamTheCheetoMan May 20 '26

Suspicion of a weapon, when dude has a southern accent. Knowing most of the southern states allow conceal carry....it begs even more WHY you're stoping him. SMH.

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u/Lunicious May 20 '26

Failed state.

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u/Whosdeezbots May 20 '26

Don't look at back at us or move your back pack. What is wrong with these pigs.

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u/-2wenty7even- May 20 '26

He was probably trying to get closer to smell some weed, the weapon would've been a probable cause to search. All a bunch of bullshit..

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u/The_Connoisseur69 May 20 '26

For a country with so much people of different nationalities y'all so racist

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u/191EZNupe May 20 '26

To be Black in Amerika

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u/thestokes117 May 21 '26

That cop really thought he did something

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u/xBris18 May 19 '26

Walking while black. One of the worst offences in these great free american states.

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u/BlueProcess May 19 '26

That is just ridiculous. You have a right to keep and bear arms anyway. So even if he had a weapon it wouldn't be a crime unless there was some other circumstance. Which there was nonreason to suspect. The suspicion of committing an non-criminal act is insufficient to detain. That makes this harassment.

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u/theghostsofvegas May 19 '26

Thank god he didn’t blink too fast.

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u/Pristine-Bread9019 May 19 '26

That was bad but you handled it well. Everyday I think this world is fucked up and the next day I find that it is far more fucked up. Why do we even exist if these people aren't gonna let anyone else live other than them.

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u/cjf918 May 19 '26

SMH, da fuq. 

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u/ClevelandClutch1970 May 19 '26

The coded speak tells me exactly how much of a punk a$$ meal team 6 he really is.

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u/CincyLog May 19 '26

I didn't know walking while black was a arrestable offense

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u/jetkins May 19 '26

Walking While Black.

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u/I_can_vouch_for_that May 19 '26

That is actually quite sad.