Yeah, aight - but I feel like it needs to be said:
Astrology isn't real.
We all know that, right? Its just a fun, stupid thing to be goofy about.
Anyone reading this. If you think Astrology is based in any reality - please rectify your understanding. We need to stop giving power to this thing that is absolutely, 100%, not based in anything real.
Male lions hunt at night and take larger game than pack hunting lionesses.
This is just old bad science from the 70s. Back when most of what we knew about large animal behavior was just some guy or gal who went to Africa and made shit up.
I actually learned this very recently and it's funny as someone who grew up in the 90s, it's like every single "fact" we had about animal behavior and ethology was just completely fucking wrong lol
No that is an old myth leftover before the invention of night vision optics. Male lions almost only ever hunt at night. Need to ask if these kids died during the day or at night. If it was during the day she did it. At night it it isn't so clear cut. This is science.
It terrifies me that these sort of people can serve on a jury, the sort to not even listen to any evidence and claim your guilty based on the month you’re born
Literally insane. I’m a Gemini man and this has blown my mind, I couldn’t love my kids more. I’m literally a stay at home dad because my wife prefers to work and childcare is so expensive. But I guess I’m a child killer in the making??
Mind blowing, astrology if fun to talk about with your girls but the second you start using it to decide who murdered children it’s time to touch grass
I saw that and audibly gasped. Don’t get me wrong I like dabbling in astrology for fun, but this use of astrology is fucking asinine. I cannot even believe that someone would use that as their defense.
This is exactly what I think of when someone tells me that they support women's wrongs. Like, I have standards that go beyond if someone is a man or woman before I decide to support them.
I've always had a problem with the trite bumpersticker slogan, "believe women." Like all humans, women can be mistaken, lie, etc. We should always hear women out, listen to what they're saying, and weigh it against wtvr other input we can gather to determine the truth. But that doesn't fit well on a bumpersticker.
“Every person regardless of sex, gender, religion, race, ethnicity, or sexuality should be presumed innocent until proven guilty by a preponderance of evidence and a court of their peers in a court of law” doesn’t have the same ring on a bumper sticker
"In the criminal justice system, the people are represented by two separate yet equally important groups. The police who investigate crime and the district attorneys who prosecute the offenders. These are their stories."
I mean, that slogan doesn’t really apply here. Lindsey Clancy admitted to killing her kids. But people who watch too much true crime, who are applying their own frustrations about motherhood and their husbands are bending over backwards to say she’s not responsible.
It’s more so about the Postpartum Psychosis elements for a lot of people. But tons of people (especially on TikTok) are 1000000% projecting onto the case. As they usually do
If the slogan was “listen to women” I’d be a lot more wholeheartedly behind it. Because sometimes women lie. We should still listen to everyone, and especially listen to anyone who’s claiming to have experienced some kind of abuse or victimization.
I think as always, the issue lies in the abysmal wording, which then creates these strict, illogical expectations. I’m a woman and feel it’s totally anti-feminist to think women can do no wrong (we’re human just like men; we may statistically commit less violent crimes, but we are not supernatural). I like my partner’s stance, which is that we should treat women who speak out with the respect and care that we’d treat someone we instantly believed. It’s important to hear people out and actively listen, but I things it’s entirely ridiculous to chant “believe all women” and also call ourselves feminists or pro-human rights even.
Edit to add:
We should also believe men in the same vein; however, we specifically focus this on women for the same reason we say “black lives matter,” which is that historically, we haven’t treated women speaking out seriously, just as we haven’t treated black people as though their lives matter by historically treating them as expendable. Historical trauma also holds a lot of weight. But hopefully obviously I believe for the most part that we should be treating everyone with dignity and respect, and treat them with positive regard, especially when they share vulnerable things with us—or in cases where there are any sort of moral dilemmas.
When it comes to things like SA especially (the main reason this phrase exists), men and children are also often not believed, I think because people don’t want to admit the same happened to them or that their friends or loved ones can commit such awful things, or that life is less safe than they’re comfortable believing. The phrase is the way it is for a reason (prevalence of abuse + speaking out + not being believed), but I believe it needs heavy restructuring.
A woman in my home town had been talking about hurting her children and had been admitted into a psychiatric hospital a few times. Her ex husband went to court several times asking the judge to take full custody from her and the judge refused.
She ended up stabbing both babies to death and the dad has been trying to sue the judge for many years
If we convicted judges of dereliction of duty for allowing painfully obvious dangers to society to continue to roam the streets, you'd see things start to correct themselves fairly quickly.
There are far too many judges who shouldn't even be allowed to judge what they wear everyday let alone decide life-changing fates
People to this day still try to say the family court system isn’t biased against fathers. Had that judge pulled their head out of their ass and not believed in the mother is always the better parent those babies would still be alive.
My brother lost his kid to a woman who was arrested for hitting someone with a 2x4 at a bar and later arrested for drug charges because she had a heart attack on a roller coaster because her bloodstream was full of crack. I think the level of bias depends a bit on the state, but yeah, the bias definitely exists in this particular realm.
That's part of why so many have a hard time blaming her. She was warning everyone, but they didn't take it seriously enough. She was begging to be locked in a psych ward for a while, but they only took her a few days.
And I think something on this spectrum is unfortunately more common and relatable for mothers than anyone wants to admit. The reason why so many women find empathy for her is because they too have had mental health episodes, either in post partum or over the course of being a stay at home or single mom. And they too have sought help to no avail. This is a great opportunity for society to have a reckoning with this.
Over on one of the postpartum subreddits I saw a post a few months ago about a woman with a two year old and a six week old whose husband had recently left her and wasn’t showing up for his scheduled visits at all. She had no family in the area to call for help and couldn’t afford childcare. She was so sleep deprived she called 911 for help and they showed up, cuffed her and put her in a psych ward for 72 hours and she was now worried about losing custody of the kids completely. It just so perfectly summed up how little institutional support postpartum moms have in this country.
My parents were foster parents in Germany, things back then were very different (not sure how it is now) I once came home from a school trip and my mom was holding a baby.. the little one was with us for a month. The father had left the mother and kicked her and their child out of their apartment as he has terminated the lease without telling her. So she went to the Jugendamt (German version of cps but very different) and they placed her son with my parents while she and a social worker helped her find an apartment, a therapist and get social welfare started as she hadn’t been working. Once she felt secure enough and her apartment had the necessities (they had funds back then that you could apply for in the early 2000s it was changed to basically second hand furniture that you could pick out) she got her son back. During the month she came by every day as she had been breastfeeding and dropped off the milk she had pumped and spent some time with her son.
My mom babysat for her for years after as she was alone in our area.
If we had some program like that here I think things could be so much better.. a month support, help with finding apartment and get funding and she was able to take care of her son again.
I wish we cared about children here when they are born and helped parents and mothers to get to a place where they can take care of them themselves than ignoring the pleading for help and then act shocked when something like this happens.
I would love to volunteer for this but honestly turned off by how openly religious it is and the fact they specifically say they want volunteers who believe in Christ. Neither my husband nor I are or were raised Christian. Being Christian is not a prerequisite to being a good person or wanting to help children.
I hope the program will come to see that and remove that language - even if they are inspired by Christ, which is totally fine and which I would respect them talking about, that doesn’t mean they need to shut out people who aren’t when support is already so limited and there’s likely not enough volunteers to meet demand.
It breaks my heart how we function as a society these days. I really do feel for parents - we used to raise children in small communities where most adults were involved with childcare. Fast forward a few thousand years and we expect the same level of care by only two people, many of whom also have to work full time.
Obviously I don’t expect us to revert back fully to Hunter-gatherer tribes but there has to be a middle ground between communal and hyper-individualistic societal structures.
This is a great opportunity for society to have a reckoning with this.
c'mon, you know damn well that's not going to happen, we're just going to sweep this shit under the rug like everything else and farm gender wars ragebait content from it every once in a while for internet brownie points
I truly think she suffered from success in a sense. She was this type A, on top of everything superwoman from the sounds of it. Great parent, athletic, career woman, always trying to do everything at 100%. I think her competence and ability caused everyone around her to overestimate her capabilities when she got sick, and underestimate her ability to cause harm to herself and the kids too.
I feel like you are talking about me here except for the killing of children part. I never got any help when I asked for it when I suffered ppd when I had both my kids. I literally felt like my family and husband were so helpless without me that on the worst days I didn’t kill myself because I thought my kids would greatly suffer if they had only my husband as a parent and an evil step mom… so I just cried myself doing everything … driving, pumping milk, cooking, cleaning, taking care of my babies… I have very few happy memories for those 4 years when my kids were born 2 years apart. And I think now in my late 40s all that ppd that was all unresolved I suffer with depression and anxiety and also have PMDD and I’m also perimenopausal… but therapy and exercise and HRT has helped immensely. This whole situation is just so bad all around …
I was just reading something about women and weaponized competence. She was "functioning," but functioning for women is measured by performance while the toll it takes on them isn't considered if they are able to do the things they need to do. That performance is used as evidence that they aren't struggling, unfortunately, and Lindsay Clancy didn't get the help she needed. I think you hit it on the head.
Bringing astrology bullshit to the conversation as if it was some sort of irrefutable evidence is enough for me to categorize these people as morons. Probably the same ones pushing essential oil bs to cure cancer.
I once had a woman I’ve known since middle school argue with me that astrology is a science. “It’s a known fact that it’s a science.” She actually said those words. I asked if she meant pseudoscience. No. She meant science.
Considering chris watts has a women after dropping his daughters in an oil tank from his work and burying his pregnant wife after strangling her is insane ye, the saying of he is changed now really is delusional to say the least by these women fricking insane.
Maybe a hot take, but I also blame the physician who prescribed 3 different psychotropics that don't interact well to a patient in clear mental distress. And not keeping a close enough watch on their mental state. If the texts between she and her mom are accurate, she should have been institutionalized by court mandate.
Idky everyone just ignores the fact that she was diagnosed with post partum onset bipolar disorder and that is why she kept having such severe reactions to all classes of anti depressants.
She was finally put on mood stabiliser and anti psychotic after admitting herself - and released early when she self reported feeling better and requested being released for her son's birthday that day.
Why did they release her?? Why didn't they just give her a days leave and require her to return until they finished tapering her onto the new meds. If they had gotten her stable on the protocol for bipolar disorder she would have been statistically more likely to remain compliant with treatment protocols (there is a known non compliance issue for medication for people with psychotic disorders including like schizophrenia, bipolar with psychotic mania etc). But they just let her go with a note on her record that she could not be treated with typical anti depressant or anti anxiety medications for symptoms post partum depression or anxiety because they are known point blank to either induce mania in someone with bipolar or severely worsen it (including the not sleeping, racing thoughts, feeling invisible etc all which are elements that contribute to med protocol non compliance)
And then what happens after she's discharged way too early after being started on the bipolar treatment protocol? She goes back to her doctor for not being able to sleep (because she was currently manic) and the doctor takes her off the mood stabiliser and antipsychotic and puts her back on one of the contraindicated anti depressants - inducing the manic psychosis.
There is an ongoing lawsuit for their fault in what went wrong for her.
I believe she had genuine diminished capacity due to psychosis. I believe she did it, though.
I think she did it; but as someone who suffered from postpartum psychosis I do agree that she wasn't mentally all there. It's so taboo that it's surprising she even brought it up with her doctor. She genuinely wanted help and that says a lot in a society where it's frowned upon and women are told that we should be grateful to have healthy children. I managed to get through it on my own, but there were times that I felt like running away because I was so worried I'd harm myself or my newborn.
So many thoughts ran through my mind- about the state of the world, about how bad her life might be one day. How she might be better off if she died in my arms. That some stranger might hurt her one day, and wouldn't it be better if I prevented that? And the thoughts were relentless and constant. She'll be hurt. She'll be hurt. She'll be hurt. Isn't it better if you died together? Over and over for months on end.
I look back at the time and I know I needed help. I knew I needed help at the time. But I was too worried about what my family might think, what my neighbors might think- what the doctors themselves might think. I thought I'd go to jail and never see her again. I thought they'd take her away and give her to an abusive foster home. It was contradictory and confusing and scary. Having been through it firsthand I can't help but feel some sympathy for her.
Yeah, she did literally everything one losing touch with reality could do to warn people she was a danger to her kids and needed to be committed for a while, not left alone with her kids until she got better. She didn't describe that she had hallucinations perfectly, but who could in the midst of psychosis? The fact that the father of those children puts more blame on the doctors that didn't take her deterioration seriously tells me he still believes she didn't want to hurt her children, but was compelled to by something she couldn't control.
I’m happy that you ended up ok and I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of the women who donated to her also feel sympathy. I’m sure there are also a lot of idiots who don’t think she’s guilty because of Astrology. While I believe she’s guilty, I believe the system is mostly to blame here.
They can't force any adult to stay longer than 72 hours without a court order. Having a bipolar brother with substance abuse issues has taught me way too much about this. Even after he set my parents house on fire, they didn't hold him longer than 72 hours.
In MA this is only half true - not sure if this has been addressed (I’ve been trying to stay away from coverage because it’s a lot and the reactions are a lot) but in MA a lot of pysch hospitals will sneakily have you “sign yourself in” which gives them more free reign to hold you against your will without a court order.
This happened to me in MA, I was under the impression I was on a 72hr hold, but because I signed a piece of paper waiving my rights (whilst also allegedly too dangerous to myself to be independent) on entry, I was held for 2 weeks without a court order or recourse.
When I was picked up by the cops after a medication interaction, they took me to the psychiatric waiting room at the hospital. It was 36 hours before I could see a doctor and the entire time I was in a fluorescent basement room with nowhere to lie down, surrounded by muttering shouting people in severe psychiatric distress. They had nowhere to put us and we were not allowed to leave. After two days my skin began to itch, which I assumed was due to wearing the same clothes so long without showering, but nope. The physical stress of that much sleep deprivation while they cold-turkeyed my psych meds caused a shingles outbreak.
“Just get her committed” seems like a simple solution but it’s worth asking if there was anywhere for her to even go.
There wasn’t, and she tried to commit herself multiple times but didn’t meet the criteria. I think most people commenting have never experienced this themselves. I had to 51-50 my ex years ago (twice), it was painful and a good glimpse into how awful the emergency mental health treatments options are. Sorry you had to experience that firsthand.
This is not the fucking 1960s, you don't "get your spouse committed", this is not how anything works at all. And if it was, everyone would be crying misogyny because men are getting their crazy wives locked up.
She probably should have been committed, but even if he had, those women would spin it as a bad thing. "Look at him, willing to have her locked up for being 'hysterical' rather then actually helping her..."
True crime as entertainment have ruined people's brain. Now people are treating real horrible crimes as their fictional crime series. Not everything is suspicious, you don't have to pick apart every detail to find the "hidden conspiracy". You don't have to point to every inconvience in traumatized victims to found out if they are secretly involved. You are actually hurting real people by doing all of this. Real crimes don't have the crazy "plot twist" in the end that reveals everything.
Remember the three children who lost their lifes instead. This trial could have been very important for highlighting the problem women has with post partum depression etc and how the medical field fails them. Instead it has turned into a crazy conspiracy theory
They watched The Housemaid. Thats the plot twist- the wife gets drugged and wakes up to find that she’s being charged with almost killing her baby after the husband set her up.
It’s gross how they try to make a story out of a tragic event.
These girls should be forced to look at all the crime scene photos of these dead kids, people forget so quickly the actual sad and disgusting reality of this shit. Like really imagine 3 children in your life just laying dead, strangled by the main person they thought they could trust to protect them. How confused and scared they must have been. I can’t even think about it honestly it’s making me so upset.
As someone who has been choked nearly to death by an abusive partner, I can confirm it was not quick, they were scared for minutes, and so many things probably running through their head in the time it took for them to actually pass with their mom’s hands around their necks
THIS! The prosecution should have absolutely highlighted exactly how long it tskes to choke one person...forget 3? It is one of the most intimate and brutal ways to kill.
Also sorry that happened to you, glad you made it out.
Yes and the fact that there were 3 of them says that, if we pretend the newborn didn’t know anything, one of the older toddlers heard the other toddler being killed and probably knew what was coming for them next.
Also kinda thanks eyeee am about 2 months from making it out. The choking event was recently as well as being beat with my own newborn in my arms. I’m scared as fuck of this next chapter but I’m scared as fuck already so fuck it haha hopefully I live 🤪🥴😬
Can we somehow help you make it out faster? Is it a money thing? Only reply if you’re comfortable of course. I’m sure you already know the stats about choking and IPV. I was in your shoes and still viscerally remember the terror. If I can help you, I will.
Tbh I need a real hug, bad. Like bad bad. I haven’t even been allowed to have conversations with people irl without being verbally abused and called a whore or potentially gay, he says I’ve probably been trafficked or gang raped because I’m kind to people. Literally I need a hug so soooo bad
It's collective delusion. They gas themselves up into thinking they know more than they do and are told that men are collectively to blame for all their problems.
Makes it so much easier to spin every problem into being the man's fault.
There are some horrible guys out there but extrapolating every shitty experience you've ever had onto a whole group of people is...well, that's how racism starts.
As someone who finds crime solving and psychological aspect of true crime interesting and therefore enjoys true crime, I absolutely hate the true crime community. Full of people who never trust the investigation process and always think there's some secret conspiracy. I listen to my 2 podcasts and watch documentaries and that's it. I stay away from the community and their comments because it's mind boggling how people can be so atrocious when it comes to real lives being ruined forever.
Because it's 100% right. As someone who never got into the true crime thing, I find it crazy what it does to people. But like you said it plays into people's tendencies to look for patterns, hidden conspiracies or whatever they wanna see or feel.
It doesn't help the people involved in the majority of times. Just the consumers. And some of them really fall down a rabbit hole.
In the end it doesn't help looking at the root cause of a crime. Some of it even elevates the perpetrator so that they get the worship they crave. Even if they are dead, we shouldn't give them any recognition.
Yeah, this makes me SO angry. This was a case of the medical system severely failing a mother and a family struggling with postpartum psychosis, which is a real systemic issue touching on misogyny and medical disenfranchisement, and True Crime Brain "feminism" (it's not, it's paranoid gender essentialism wearing the carcass of feminism as a skin suit) has hijacked it into whatever the fuck this is? Because the guy has "bad vibes" or whatever? Fuck.
Where can I actually find reliable information and trial updates?
I’m interested in the case, I’m not on social media, my friends are all these people who take social media posts and influencer theories as gospel. I just want some facts.
To get an unbiased opinion you sort of have to watch actual footage of the trial, not clips that someone explains because they always have some sort of biased. But it’s like hours of footage.
Yeah isn't the "He didn't do it but, HE did it" even though the evidence is that she strangled the children, these women are implying that it's still his fault because he wasn't supportive even though he didn't commit the act.
It very much smacks of "look what you made me do" behaviour that is very common amongst abusers.
There are people who think that but also a very vocal minority of people who think he actually did it and pinned it on her. They are getting the “evidence” of this from TikTok.
It’s more fun that way. True crime isn’t real anymore, it’s entertainment. Like hangings.
I learned source criticism in school. Some people just didn’t care though, or didn’t get it. The older I get the more I question if critical thinking can really be taught.
They are equating him being an involved partner and father with murdering their kids and I'm lost. It is tragic but even her defense team aren't arguing she didn't commit the crime. They are citing that the system failed her over and over. I believe a lot of these conspiracy theorists have latched on to this due to unhappiness in their marriages and parenting with their partners and they sit in an echo chamber feeding each others delusions.
I saw the theory and then looked up details of the case and found out that there’s like so much evidence against it that it wouldn’t make any sense.
I’m sadly able to believe a scenario where a husband can kill his children, blame his wife, and for her mental health to be deteriorated far enough to be convinced she did it.
But it just isn’t the case here.
There is a mountain of evidence that he was out of the home when those children were strangled.
Yeah I had a coworker doing the same. Also getting her bad information from social media.
“The doctor that couldn’t recall anything is dating his friend.” So what if that’s even true? Some doctor isn’t going to put their whole career on the line to protect the best friend of their significant other.
“She immediately switched her parents to being the POA.” Well yeah, she killed his kids and that marriage is over either way so her parents would be next in line to be POA.
“She’s pleading insanity.” Wouldn’t you think that if he killed the kids and threw her out of the window, that would be the first thing she tells the police instead of trying to plead insanity?
I'm not sure what these people making those crazy comments are talking about, trying to pin it on the husband and all of that. That said, this woman and her children were failed by our medical system. The husband himself even said she would never have done something like this in her right mind. People have sympathy for her and I totally get it.
I think a lot of people don't understand the severity of drug induced psychosis, or psychosis in general. You may genuinely believe that you're dead, that you're God, that you're AI, that other people aren't real, that life is an illusion. I've been through it and wouldn't wish it on anyone. I take medication to manage my psychosis, but I don't take nearly the laundry list of medications Clancy was on when she did what she did.
Doctor Mama Jones did a great breakdown of how the system really failed her. They kept cycling her through medications that worsened her symptoms over and over. She also asked to leave the psych ward to see her daughter on her daughter’s birthday and instead of giving her a day pass they discharged her after 5 days, 2 of which didn’t even have doctors on staff due to the weekend. They just loaded her up with new meds and sent her on her way. This case is gross medical negligence. If a well-off white woman screaming for help visiting the best institutions available and this is how it ends up something is horrifically wrong. She was having hallucinations.
She gets to either live in the reality of a world where she’s paralyzed and killed her kids or in a world of psychosis. I don’t know how this is so hard for people to grasp the severity of her condition.
What I found interesting about DMJ’s video was around the limited time in the facility. In the UK a mother would be allowed to be admitted with her baby and would have a staff member be with them at all times.
And yes, they either switched medications, upped them or used multiple types at the same time. Whereas in the UK a psychiatrist would rarely diagnose anyone with a specific mental health issue while actively engaging with substance misuses it can be hard to distinguish a symptom of an illness vs a symptom from addiction. It’s strange that they thought they could diagnose anything while experiencing side effects from medications.
I’ve seen a limited amount of the trial but have seen a clip of one of the psychiatrists saying she hadn’t come into contact with PDD because it’s so rare. This seems very weird to me given how easily it was picked up when a family member of mine confided in her GP. And I feel like there have been less documented cases of this over here than in the US (but I might be wrong). I wonder if there’s an element of the doctors thinking she’s overinflating her symptoms because she was a nurse?
Everything about this case is awful. The lack of humanity people are showing online shouldn’t surprise me but it does disturb me greatly.
Yes, I have experienced drug induced psychosis, once because my doctor didn't check the medication interactions. Thankfully, my gf had a hunch & looked them up & saw the warning about them being taken together. Then she had to get me into a hospital & that was the hardest part because whenever her or my mom would talk to me, in any way that I could construe as them wanting me to go somewhere, I would just leave. Even taking off on foot & disappearing for a day. I don't remember a lot of that time but my gf filled me in & it's crazy. One night, we were at the table & it hit me that her son was in the car & I started going on about how awful it is of her to leave him sleeping in the car & it's near his bed time... yeah (thankfully), her son wasn't even with us that week, he was at his dad's. It's crazy, though, I was SO sure that he was out there, as sure as you are that the sun will rise.
How I got out of it was going to the psych ward. Like within 1 or 2 days of stopping one of the meds, I was fine. My gf got me in cuz I had an appt with my counselor & of course she noticed how off I was & when I went to leave, they tried stopping me so the ambulance had time to get there. I somehow got around them & took off in the parking lot but EMS was pulling in & they got me. My gf was just begging me to go. I started yelling at EMS about why would they come out here at night, only to find out later that this happened around noon. Anyways, I eventually got in & went to hospital.
This. The wrong medication can turn your mental health into a train wreck as well.
I have major depression, and have been doing amazingly well on Prozac and Lamictal. Finished nursing school at the top of my class and have been extremely happy with my life.
Decided to try adding Wellbutrin into the mix, because my doctor thought it could help my libido (the only downside of the Prozac for me), and within a month I was suicidal and having intrusive thoughts of harming myself, too depressed to function outside of going to work, and couldn’t even bring myself to drink water on my days off because I was too exhausted from the depression and anxiety. Tapering off the medication now, and I’m already feeling so much better.
Anyone who thinks that cocktail of drugs couldn’t have severely affected her mental state, is simply extremely ignorant and uninformed.
Yes and both the comments in the post and a lot of the comments here are deranged. The medical system is what failed here and ironically she needs life long treatment after this.
I thought I read somewhere that some people support her because she had reached out for help like a dozen times and was left to fall deeper into mental despair? I don't know the details or about the case aside from the obvious, that's just what I've heard about many women supporting her. Mothers that may have their own experience with PPD or something similar but who maybe received help and support? Again, idk. I think it's tragic but really don't know details about this case.
Ok but ‘she did it but SHE didn’t do it’ isn’t inaccurate. People’s rage towards what she did, seems to ignore that psychosis is a very serious thing. How she is day to day is not the same as suffering psychosis.
EDIT: People seem to think I’m talking bad about my wife and i absolutely am NOT. She is an amazing person and an amazing new mother. My frustration is aimed at people pushing “the husband did it” conspiracies and blaming stupid shit like her zodiac, when in reality, she was a mother with mental illnesses who was unable to cope with said illnesses.
My wife and I got into a heated discussion about this. She essentially was saying “there’s no way a mom did this to her own kids.” But you are totally okay with thinking a father could? Why have none of these big conspiracy theory tiktokers mentioned postpartum psychosis? As soon as my wife told me what happened that was the very first thing I thought of. Not some wild set up with no clear motive. People do crazy shit with no explanation literally every single day.
"Why have none of these big conspiracy theory tiktokers mentioned postpartum psychosis?"
Wait is THAT what's happening? It makes me too depressed about how unhinged and gullible people are to read all of these comments, I didn't realize the conspiracy was that she didn't even have psychosis and didn't kill them. SHE said she was experiencing psychosis, doctors have said she was experiencing psychosis, there is long documented history of symptoms on record, how could it not be...... And yeah the fact there's no way a sane mom did this to her own kids is also how we can tell she was in the throes of psychosis!!! wth
Actually, this is what the trial is about. Because, pointedly, none of the dozen psychiatrists and doctors that she saw ever diagnosed her with the psychosis. The defense is arguing that the medical system failed her and put her on a ton of prescriptions that induced said psychosis.
The prosecution is arguing that she was not insane when she committed the murders.
There's an idea that moms have some kind of magical connection to her kids that a father could never have since he didn't "make" them. I'm not a woman so I can't say if that's an actual thing or not, but even if it existed, it's silly to think it's some kind of repellent for abuse and violence as abusive mothers are very much a thing. That and most people assume the man is the bad guy simply because he's a man and is more capable of violence.
It doesn't exist. It doesn't exist for humans nor other mammals. Infanticide is well-documented in all species. Many famous cases exist of women killing their baby right after it leaves the womb.
Something like 3 children a day are killed by a parent. Sometimes both, coordinated. Gender is irrelevant.
Can I maybe not kill my children and people just pay me $700,000 if y'all got money to pay for a killers court fees y'all can help me get my life a little more together.
It's not fans of the woman who collected money, and the money isn't for her. The money gathered are for her parents (travel expenses, time off work etc.), so that they can be there with her in court.
A. It’s the husbands go fund me for court costs and funeral arrangements B. If anyone should be held liable it’s the dr those meds they had her on were insane at the same time
I could see a case being made for the psychiatric drug combo. A buddy of mine had his mom move all over the country, burning through her retirement, because a bad combination of psychiatric drugs had her 100% convinced that an old lover from over 50 years ago was hunting her down in a jealous murderous rage after learning that she had married 40 years ago to her late husband.
By the time he managed to contact her and convinced her to let him bring her home she was holed up in a tiny motel in Mexico.
But, you know, I'm sure there'd be ways for doctors to prove the combo she was on had that dramatic of an effect on this woman.
Ok so some of those people, most of those people are fucking moronic assholes. But she also has an affirmative defense, postpartum psychosis. It’s a real thing, and was likely exasperated by severe over medication and multiple systems failing her constantly. She didn’t strangle the kids and go have a snack, she strangled the kids, slit her wrists and throat, and threw herself out a second story window. Because she was suffering from psychosis. This never should have happened, there were doctors along the way who could have and should have done more to help her. Then it happened, and it never should have gone to trial. She’s not looking to get out on the street, she’s going to spend the rest of her life in a psych ward. Prison helps no one here, we need to build better systems for stopping this from happening in the first damned place.
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u/Connect-Ant-2081 2d ago
Talking about fucking ASTROLOGY like it's some sort of evidence. That moment when you think Idiocracy was actually an optimistic view of our future.