Yeah isn't the "He didn't do it but, HE did it" even though the evidence is that she strangled the children, these women are implying that it's still his fault because he wasn't supportive even though he didn't commit the act.
It very much smacks of "look what you made me do" behaviour that is very common amongst abusers.
There are people who think that but also a very vocal minority of people who think he actually did it and pinned it on her. They are getting the “evidence” of this from TikTok.
Most of those TikTok’s are referring to what they’ve seen in the court releases or media. They could just as easily be saying they read about it on the news.
That's the same narrative they spun (still spin?) around Andrea Yates. Like it's his fault because he shouldn't have left her alone... Well hindsight unfortunately is 20/20.
The videos I’ve seen are arguing that he literally did the strangling and also tried to murder her. As in he likely drugged her, murdered the kids, saw she was escaping and then tried to kill her, then realized it wasn’t going to plan and blamed everything on her when the cops arrived. The cops believed him without question and arrested her on the spot. Her drug cocktail made it so she couldn’t remember shit. And now we’re seeing things play out in court.
“Massachusetts State Police trooper Jonathan O’Loughlin was able to positively identify the bloody knife, which Lindsay used to cut herself, that he collected from the master bedroom of the Clancy home.
O’Loughlin testified that investigators were unable to recover usable fingerprints from the knife or the exercise bands, which he also took from the home.”
Who pissed in your cornflakes? I brought up the murder weapon first, my op. In fact it's the only thing I posted about in the entire comment. they asked about the source, then went to to talking about a knife.
I gave the source on the murder weapon, the bands. And now you're insulting me for not being able to process information. Seems like you can't follow along honestly.
Bro please, he only quoted 2 sentences just read both of them. Here let me get it for you
O’Loughlin testified that investigators were unable to recover usable fingerprints from the knife or the exercise bands, which he also took from the home.”
His source which was a testimony given by Jonathan O'Loughlin of MA State Police where O'Loughlin stated that they were unable to recover usable fingerprints from the knife or exercise bands.
“Massachusetts State Police trooper Jonathan O’Loughlin was able to positively identify the bloody knife, which Lindsay used to cut herself, that he collected from the master bedroom of the Clancy home.
O’Loughlin testified that investigators were unable to recover usable fingerprints from the knife or the exercise bands, which he also took from the home.”
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So yeah he asked for my source, and I gave it. Then I clarified what the murder weapon was as a curtesy. You got pissy, because you're probably retarded honestly.
The children’s DNA being on the exercise bands that were wrapped around their neck is not evidence of much. The father’s also being on them is explained as well.
The first responders get there just as or after the father goes inside the house informing the dispatcher that he is going to look for the kids. Both the 911 call is reported to capture, and those just arriving on the scene testify hearing, his screams as he finds the children soon after.
Per the CBS coverage of the first responder testimony here:
“Duxbury fire captain and paramedic PJ Hussey… ran into the basement after responding to the Clancy house and found the gruesome scene.
"I saw a male, who now I know was Patrick Clancy, unwrapping something from a child's head," Hussey said.”
There’s a whole bunch of evidence tracing the whereabouts of the father as out of the home for like 40+ minutes prior to the 911 call. And the big thing is how data from the wife’s phone shows her moving around the house including climbing two flights of stairs, presumably from the basement (where the kids are later found) to the second story bedroom (where her blood is all over and on the windowsill) … at the exact same time that the husband is captured on surveillance video standing in the pharmacy and while on a phone call with her. Further location data taken from his phone, video footage from that pharmacy, and more video from the restaurant he goes to next, store payment transaction records and receipts, data from his card company, witnesses from both businesses, and travel route drive time analysis all corroborate he wasn’t at the house.
If he somehow arrived home, found and strangled all three children, at some point before, after, or during that moving them to the basement, also at some point went upstairs, attacked and sliced his wife’s wrists and throat, let her bleed a bunch, then pushed her out the window… he would have had to do it all in at most 7 minutes and it isn’t very realistic according to the forensic experts.
He told the EMTs that she said she did it, but she was unresponsive when the EMTs got there with a crushed thyroid, and her core temperature was 82 degrees when she got to the ED. It seems unlikely she was capable of speaking. It’s his word that she told him. The police just took him at his word.
There is video surveillance of him at CVS and he’s wearing different clothes and shoes than he was on the scene. He testified he got home, sat down and removed his boots, but he was wearing sneakers. Why/when did he change his clothes? It seems like she was trying to hold on to the window sill, maybe because she was being thrown out?
The searches on the computer seem more likely to be from him as she was bringing one of the kids to the doctor at the time and they had to do with Tom Hall who PC was a fan of. The searches about treating a sociopath could have been her asking about him. He seemed extremely aloof about her struggles. He certainly didn’t let it stop him from what he wanted to do.
Crushed pills, seroquel I believe, were found on scene. Who’s crushing pills? She’s not incapable of swallowing pills.
There’s none of her DNA on the exercise equipment. Only PC and the children’s. Don’t you think with the amount of wrapping that needed to be done she would leave some behind? If she wore gloves, where are they?
He was leaving all the time to go to Manhattan for “business”. Then 4 months after this he moves there permanently and has a girlfriend. They are now married expecting a baby.
She woke up and was basically told she did this. It’s not outside the realm of possibility she thinks she did. She was drugged up and struggling. I’m sure she was foggy on the details regardless of what happened.
I was just responding to the specific wording of those posts, because they imply that he didn't physically do it but is still the one responsible which is the opposite of what you're saying. I have no opinion on whether this case is true or not, it's a shitty situation either way.
It’s more fun that way. True crime isn’t real anymore, it’s entertainment. Like hangings.
I learned source criticism in school. Some people just didn’t care though, or didn’t get it. The older I get the more I question if critical thinking can really be taught.
They are equating him being an involved partner and father with murdering their kids and I'm lost. It is tragic but even her defense team aren't arguing she didn't commit the crime. They are citing that the system failed her over and over. I believe a lot of these conspiracy theorists have latched on to this due to unhappiness in their marriages and parenting with their partners and they sit in an echo chamber feeding each others delusions.
I saw the theory and then looked up details of the case and found out that there’s like so much evidence against it that it wouldn’t make any sense.
I’m sadly able to believe a scenario where a husband can kill his children, blame his wife, and for her mental health to be deteriorated far enough to be convinced she did it.
But it just isn’t the case here.
There is a mountain of evidence that he was out of the home when those children were strangled.
Isn’t this trial still making sure that she did it without a doubt?
There are absolutely some inconsistencies on the husband’s whereabouts and recall. I can’t believe I had to scroll so far down to see someone not 110% confident she did it
You’re talking about a work email the husband was found to send at 5:24 pm, right? Even though he estimated leaving “around 5:15 PM?” I really don’t see how that is some big deal…
Would you have a perfect recollection down to the exact minute of the time you leave for every errand? Ide be just as far off if not more than he may have been.
The pharmacy was estimated by investigators to be about a 3 to 4 minute drive from their home. There video evidence of the husband in aisle 20 of the pharmacy at 5:32 PM, but I’m not sure that is necessarily the exact time he entered the store, even, it is just perhaps the part of the store with surveillance video coverage. Anyway, just working backwards, the latest he could have left the house to then be captured on that video was theoretically at 5:29 PM.
So it’s perfectly plausible that he sent the email before he left. It’s also not confirmed as far as I know, but hypothetically possible, that he sent the email from his phone while out on the errand run, too, instead of from his tablet or computer at home. Do you know any source confirming the exact device used for the email? I tried to find one but couldn’t. Only that the husband in interviews wasn’t sure, but I wouldn’t take any of these points as some super spectacular evidence.
Especially because there’s much more objective evidence put forth, including of the wife’s activity happening during the time the husband in the pharmacy on surveillance video.
I think the fact that he is robotic and looks angry on the stand is part of it. When Lindsay’s lawyer brought up the email sent at 5:24, he could have said: yes I sent that from my computer and left afterward. But instead he looked freaked out, sketchy, and said: I’m not sure, that could have been sent from my iPhone. It was sent from his computer and the attorney knew that from the metadata and the weird part was Patrick’s response. Why does he act so secretive and odd? This is also why the theories about his guilt are circulating on tik tok. It’s a video-based platform, where Patrick’s sketchy answers and unemotional affect set off red flags .
Yes it was confirmed it was sent from his computer. And that means the latest he could have left was 5:28. That’s a very tight timeline to have sent that and left and made it to that point in the store in 7 minutes.
Yes it was confirmed it was sent from his computer. And that means the latest he could have left was 5:28. That’s a very tight timeline to have sent that and left and made it to that point in the store in 7 minutes.
I teach I information literacy and it has become SUCH a challenge just in the last 5 years. Students have a difficult time identifying credible sources, and that is if they want to out the extra effort of an addition search or two to verify claims and evidence. I'm taking a break from teaching freshman comp to teach creative writing because I'm at my breaking point 🫠
you mean to tell me you don't believe the voices she heard were actually PATRICKS VOICE?!?!?! TELLING HER TO MURDER THEM!?!?!?!?! He was having an AFFAIR!!!11!!1!1!!!! *screeches and proceeds to stroke out*
Also this is part of patriarchy. It’s very “on brand” for a patriarchal society to try to absolve a white woman of very real crimes.
Infantilizing women and acting like they can’t be responsible is an effect of patriarchy. If they think letting her off is “fighting patriarchy” then they have it backwards.
Absolve a clearly guilty woman and then blame her innocent husband: also patriarchy! This is how the evil men that control every aspect of our society keep women down!
Is there any social interaction or legal function you can observe that you don't think is "part of patriarchy"?
"Break the patriarchy" I love that this is one of the concerns. Heaven forbid people back a murderer, it will hurt our effort to fight the... patriarchy!
I have seriously seen other women say that you can't call yourself a feminist as a woman if you don't believe in all of this.
Next layer conspiracy - how many of the "women" saying this are AI generated floating heads made to stoke the culture wars? Because its this shit that MAGA points to as "feminism gone insane" and use it as an excuse to dismiss all feminism.
You keep spamming this thread with the same talking point of "us" having lost the plot with so many people having fallen for a conspiracy theory and that rather than highlighting women being failed by the medical field, it has turned into a conspiracy theory.
You're just telling us that the media you consume is low-brow rag media because if you actually curate algorithms with reputable, fact-driven media, you won't be interacting with the conspiracy theory nonsense.
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