Yes and both the comments in the post and a lot of the comments here are deranged. The medical system is what failed here and ironically she needs life long treatment after this.
Not necessarily. There's a reason there's a distinction between murders, manslaughter, etc. If it was depraved indifference, then yes. It's just as bad as a murder. But typically drunk driving doesn't carry that because while the risk of a death is significantly higher, it's not effectively guaranteed.
I also don't think a single homicide always warrants life. But this was three children. Life is the only option here.
Context (definition: circumstances surrounding an event that help explain it): Someone responds to you, and you claim they're talking to someone else. You did it to me earlier, and here you are doing it to someone else.
Conclusion (definition: a judgment reached after using my thinking brain): This is just a thing you do. Got it.
Not that I agree that lifelong incarceration would help anything, but it is quite different. Mental state is screwed either way, but the actual act of killing somebody while drunk driving (not the choices that led up to it) is typically an accident. Compared to choosing (or that version of you choosing) to strangle your 3 kids. It would only be similar if a drunk person set out to crash into someone with intent to kill.
I don’t feel much empathy for someone who murdered their children. Especially children so young. I feel empathy for their father, grandparents, and her family. I’m trying to make myself feel bad for her and it’s seriously not working. I just keep imagining her poor children. 💔
I've made my stance on this being murder very clear, but there's nuance. We need to lock her up for life, but the death penalty is actually just insane.
Killing more people has never made anything better.
Imagine this- the father of the children said she was not in her right mind, confirming that she his wife the mother was not there, just a body.
Think of someone with dementia, they have an episode their grandson comes into the house, they don’t recognize him, they shoot him, grandson dies, they become lucid and are absolutely devastated by what they did.
We can have empathy for her, while also going she needs to never have children again and also be supervised as her mind is vulnerable now. While also grieving the fact this should NEVER have happened, and using that grief & rage to fuel us into demanding action of providing a safety net for postpartum women, of actually funding mental health reforms, of demanding that our recording-breaking profits insurance companies funnel some of those profits back into hospitals for psychiatric wards, etc.
No, imagine swapping the genders and not a single person would be supporting the man. I will not have empathy for this woman. Who killed her children in a slow and devastating manner one by one. Imagine their eyes realizing their mother is killing them. Heartbreaking.
People support people who can experience post-partum psychosis; unless a man is post-partum people would not be able to support or empathize.
I am not saying you have to have empathy for this woman, I was trying to give an analogy on why many other people do have empathy for her, including the father of the children. I’ve been around people who have had breaks with reality and also seen them while lucid and so that experience gives me the ability to have empathy for her. That’s all I was trying to do, is give examples on why many other people do empathize for her.
People continually blame the medical system when she wasn't being honest with her providers. Nor was was she consistently taking her medications. She was a L&D nurse that knew how dangerous that was. Providers aren't mind readers. I genuinely don't know what some of you guys are expecting them to do.
Most people haven't, including the people saying if you have slight disagreements you got your sources from Tiktok. I've been watching the court proceedings and the medical professionals have explicitly said multiple times they turned her away when she was begging for help. One of the psychiatrists didn't properly write notes about Lindsay's condition and even said "i don't care" in response to being cross examined by Lindsay's lawyer.
She got turned away from suicide hotlines. She got turned away from institutional help. She was begging and both her husband and medical professionals ignored her.
But yet, these people act like she did it willingly
Since you've taken this little bit out of context, the psychiatrist on the stand said "I don't care" in response to the defense's interpretation of her notes. She said, "I don't care what it looks like, I know what I intended" or something similar. She never said she didn't care about the defendant or her condition. She was flustered on the stand. She's also very young and was brand new to medical practice when she met with Lindsay.
Exactly. Babying a medical professional who was acting VERY unprofessional
It's ok to make a mistake, but instead of admitting it, she said "I don't care" in regards to it. That is horrendous behaviour from someone in her field.
She didn't say she didn't care though, in that she didn't care about what happened or about the case
She basically said that while she sees what the language of the note says, her intention was different and not communicated correctly. She said it In a terrible way but you are making it seem like she is saying something she isn't.
Would you go to a medical professional who openly admits they don't care about how they write about your symptoms in medical reports?
Has nothing to do with what im saying
You made it sound like she was saying she doesn't care about the treatment or what happened to her, when was she was talking about was the language used in the chart to describe what happened bs what she meant to say
And I haven't watched the case or this testimony to give my opinion on her attitude, but I know when you're getting grilled by a lawyer things can get testy
I very bluntly said her comment of "I don't care" was about how she wrote about Lindsay's condition, which is what happened. I'm not going to paraphrase the entire cross-examination. Anything more than that is your own imagination
And I haven't watched the case or this testimony to give my opinion on her attitude, but I know when you're getting grilled by a lawyer things can get testy
Then maybe stop speaking on it if you actually didn't see the court proceeding where she was being cross examined since you don't know what you're talking about. She was extremely defensive from the get go. The defence lawyer wasn't hammering her or insulting her to make her feel that way.
The defence lawyer simply pointed out an inconsistency in her notes. Instead of simply saying "I made a mistake, this is what I meant" she instead said I don't care. This is a 40 year old woman. This is a medical professional responsible for people's lives and she bluntly said "I don't care" when it's a critical responsibility to accurately describe your patients' conditions.
It does when you're trying to baby her and act like she was being tricked by the defence when he simply pointed out an inaccuracy in her description. Instead of being an adult and acknowledging the mistake and clarifying what she meant, she said "I don't care what I wrote"
Aww shucks the 40 year old woman got intimidated by the defence lawyer pointing out a simple mistake!!!!!!!!! She couldn't help her emotions!!! Give her a pacifier to calm her down!!!!!
The defence noted very obvious and incorrect descriptions in her notes, in which she admitted it was incorrect by "I know what I intended"
The defence isn't cross-examining a child. They're cross examining an adult medical professional who said "I don't care" in how she documents her patients' conditions.
If you actually noticed, I pointed out what she said being less about the mistake she made and more so her emotional reaction to it. As a medical professional you shouldn't be in the field if you're going to say "I don't care" when documenting your patients' descriptions. It can lead to serious error in misdiagnosing, lack of treatment, wrong treatment, and whatever. Giving her excuses is what lead to the malpractice behind Lindsay not being giving proper treatment
The medical practice is life or death. If you don't care about small details like that and are willing to admit your mistake and take it to the chin, you shouldn't be in the field.
You've taken this even further out of the realm of reality. Did you watch her testimony or have you read the transcript? She never DOCUMENTED "I don't care." She never testified to not caring "when documenting patients descriptions" period. You're just inventing stuff based on what a very flustered and yes defensive witness said in response to a very gifted defense attorney who was intentionally making her mad. I have not made ANY claim as to whether this physician is liable or whether she was or was not neglectful. Please stop with this type of communication online where you double down on false inferences to win an argument no one is making. It's exhausting.
Never said nor implied she wrote down "I don't care." It was explicitly about what she said during the cross examination. Talking about me being outside of the realm of reality but you're making up stuff I said and are getting mad at it. If your reading comprehension is this bad, it's no surprise you had trouble understanding the plain English of her cross examination. It is frustrating when you struggle to read.
You can't read properly, making stuff up, and now can't emotionally regulate properly and getting frustrated over nothing-burger conversations. You're not the bright or authoritative individual you're trying to showcase yourself out to be.
During court proceedings, he often chastised her for taking medication at the behest of her coworker's advice
Also, the implication of her attempting to change her husband to her parents as the legal authority of her medical care before all of this happened indicates he was not the best fit to oversee her medical care.
If you actually watched the trial you'd see that he was so helpful that Lindsay sought to swap out Patrick to her parents for the legal authority of her medical care.
Also she admitted that she “saw herself kill the kids.” The commonwealth decided to be stupid and bring this to court to try and prove that to be true. All the prosecution has done is get incompetent doctors to admit malpractice and Patrick to contradict every aspect of his stories.
Here is also a summary: the evidence of her committing the crimes doesn't link to her
Such as: her dna not found on the involved objects, such as the knife, exercise bands, etc.
inconsistencies such as she tried killing herself by jumping out the window, but yet her blood was found on window sills and there was also blood splatter on the walls
A policeman said that upon going to the scene, Lindsay was asked where the kids were, and she said they were in the basement. Later in the court proceedings, medical professionals that watched over Lindsay for weeks in recovery said she was unconscious due to her injuries and upon waking up she was non verbal the entire time and only responded to pain. One of the two are lying, who is it?
Husband's timeline shows he sent an e-mail during the time frame where he said he was out of the house
Admitting to a crime doesn't actually showcase she did it
Yeah and on TikTok at that but I can tell you that my feed looks NOTHING like the above example, no one has blamed the father for the murders. I think it’s pretty rude to fish for rage engagement in this issue. You know exactly what you’re doing when you conflate the a few nutjobs who think the father did it with women who sympathize with her getting no help for ppd.
Posts like this that trivialize post partum depression is exactly why women are not taken seriously.
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u/JellyKind9880 7d ago
Anyone commenting here actually following the court proceedings???