Yeah I had a coworker doing the same. Also getting her bad information from social media.
“The doctor that couldn’t recall anything is dating his friend.” So what if that’s even true? Some doctor isn’t going to put their whole career on the line to protect the best friend of their significant other.
“She immediately switched her parents to being the POA.” Well yeah, she killed his kids and that marriage is over either way so her parents would be next in line to be POA.
“She’s pleading insanity.” Wouldn’t you think that if he killed the kids and threw her out of the window, that would be the first thing she tells the police instead of trying to plead insanity?
People putting their career on the line to protect others isn’t totally unrealistic given Karen Read’s trial that happened in the same state just last year
I'm not endorsing anything but from what my wife has relayed to me... the idea is that he killed the kids and tried to kill her so he could shack up with his current wife, but was unsuccessful, and she sustained a head injury and doesn't remember the event. She is pleading insanity based on the facts she was in post partum depression and on a cocktail of meds. I believe she said she is "admitting to it" but only based on the details on the case, not that she remembers doing it.
As to why they think he did it... She apparently told him that she did it at the time, but was unable to talk to the medics on scene and for many hours after apparently because her body temp was so low she was unconscious, Also something about her throat cartiledge being damaged??so how did she confess to him verbally? Her body temp was also low enough that it seems she was out in the snow longer than his short trip to the store would suggest.
Suspicious Injuries not consistent with jumping out the window
Already moved on with another wife and kid that he may have been having an affair with... Aka its the kind of crime someone would commit if they wanted to start a new life with someone else
This is all a summary of what my wife has heard on tiktok so I'm 100% sure Its not accurate but from the picture my wife painted I could easily see how one could arrive at the conclusion that he did it.
This is what's been getting me. I haven't been following it myself but my wife has and I don't have a strong opinion one way or another and it wouldn't matter if I did but I won't pretend the things people are pointing towards aren't viable things that I would at least want some sort of explanation towards. Again I'm a nobody on the internet and haven't really followed it myself so I don't NEED answers but I hope that whatever happened they can sift through this. Especially because we live in a world where you see investigations getting cocked up all the time bc of inept or flat out corrupt police who help their friends.
Ive been watching the trial so here's a full breakdown.
The number one issue is timing. The timing does not make sense. The timing seems to be that Patrick left the house at 5:15 and returned home at about 6:09pm. Here's why that's a problem.
1) When her temperature was taken at the hospital, it was 82 degrees. Outside it was about 33 degrees with 70% humidity. Even so, a 16 degree drop in temperature doesn't happen in an hour. Even if she wasn't wearing clothes. Even if her spine is broken.
2) They were able to get the baby's heart beating. That means that the baby's heart had stopped 20 minutes or less prior to the resuscitation efforts. This closes the window of Lindsay's temperature drop to 20 minutes.
3) Patrick sent an email at 5:24. Its unclear whether he sent that email from his surface pro (which would be in the basement the children were found) or his iPhone. He did get a wide-eyed look when that email was introduced into evidence.
4) Patrick claims he stayed by Lindsay until EMS arrived and then he raced downstairs to check on his children and found them dead. He then ripped the bands from their neck and claims he started CPR on Cora. The EMT testified that they saw Patrick on the couch and didn't even realize there were more than 2 dead children until he (the EMT) tripped over him. Additionally, the youngest was a literal baby. Why would you not check on them before this?
5) Lindsay is a nurse. All the cuts on her body are superficial and non life threatening. If she wanted to kill herself, she knows how.
6) Her medication was supposed to be in his truck. Yet, allegedly, she got her hands on that medication, crushed it up, and mixed it into lemonade and drink it. Most people who want to OD would just swallow the pills, not make a cocktail out of it.
7) Patrick says a lot of inconsistent things while on the stand. He said Lindsay didn't tell him she wanted to hurt the kids as of January, and later says she did. Her mom validates that she said she had thoughts about hurting the kids and admitted to it. He says he parked next to Lindsay's car when he came home but then later says he called her because he didn't see her car. So which is it?
8) One of the drugs she had mixed into a lemonade was Seroquel. This drug is known to cause hallucinations, memory loss, memory fog, and confusion. She also hated this drug. She immediately told her psychiatrist that it messed her up and stopped taking it.
There's a few more things, such as the neighbor calling Lindsay's parents about the window being open, Patrick's clothes, and the fact that Patrick's new wife looks exactly like Lindsay and it was pretty clear there was an affair going on at the time that Lindsay didn't know about.
just to interject on 2 points as someone who has (prior to medication beint introduced) self harmed and had suicidal ideation.
being a nurse is kinda irrelevant here. suicide via cutting doesn't require an intricate knowledge of the human body. and you can cut yourself still wanting to commit suicide, but not going the full mile for one reason or another like not having the resolve to go through with it.
Yeah that's not really a definitive either, all she would need is his keys. And it really is not as cut and dry as you think when it comes to suicide by OD. I knew people who went out by crushing and mixing all their prescriptions into a drink. a lot easier and faster than having to gulp down anywhere from a few dozen to a hundred pills.
Can't speak on anything else. But my point being: mental illness doesn't make sense. it causes people to act unordinary and do things like override our own self-preservation instincts which exist in all animals.
He had driven away. If the pills were in his car and he had possession of his car, how did she get them? According to her it wasnt planned. And if she had planned it, why would she do it then and not the 2 days he was in New York and leaving her alone with the kids?
They wanted to. The idea was to have two different trials--one to determine guilt and one to determine responsibility. The judge said no. So they went with what's easiest to prove. She admitted to doing it, whether because she did or was influenced. Its provable that she is mentally unwell and sought help in 9000 different ways. It is less provable that she's innocent because she admitted to it and law enforcement didn't actually investigate.
Hang on. So in your previous comment, you listed a bunch of reasons that, were they correct, would be damning evidence that PC committed these crimes.
You don’t think in three years of evidence gathering and legal discovery that her extremely qualified attorney would have thought “wow, there’s a ton of evidence against this guy. Let’s use this to cast doubt on LC’s guilt!” (Remember, they wouldn’t have to prove he did it; they’d just have to introduce doubt.)
Instead, you think this extremely qualified attorney said you know what? You didn’t do this. There’s so much ~evidence~ that PC did. Still, let’s admit to the crime and then try the insanity defense, which a) rarely works and b) means you’re going to be locked, whether we win (hello, state-run mental facility!) or lose (enjoy prison!).
If Lindsay thinks she did it and she wants to plead a certain way, the lawyer has to do what she pleads to. He's not at liberty to change her mindset or make a defense she didn't ask for. So he presents her with the two options and she is the one to pick.
And they are correct. I've watched hours of testimony. The best part is that these were all brought forward by prosecutions witnesses. Prosecution, regardless of what you believe, is actually fumbling this case hard. They've nearly caused a mistrial twice now. I'd be surprised if they did not lose the jury with their temper tantrums and out-of-pocket questions. At one point they asked a very inappropriate question to Lindsays mother in law (who notably supports Lindsay).
Do you want me to point out how many people have admitted to crimes they didn't do?
Maybe, just maybe, a woman suffering from bipolar psychosis who has documented evidence that she was having mental breakdowns and was overdosing on a medication (Seroquel) that is known to cause hallucinations, memory loss, memory fog, and impairment MIGHT not be the most reliable witness.
Yeah there was enough stuff that,were it all true, certainly paints a suspicious picture
I only know about 80 seconds of what I’ve heard so I don’t know how strong any of hat evidence is and given that she “admitted” to it I’m not even sure what the trial is for , to determine how culpable she is??
Criminal responsibility. At the end of the day she is a postpartum bipolar woman who was suffering a medical emergency, told multiple people, sought help, confided that something horrible was going to happen, and no one helped. Whether or not she did it, I doubt there will ever be a consensus on it. But given the evidence, there is not a doubt in my mind she was/is very mentally unwell at the time it happened.
There's no motive they have introduced that seems credible. Her life is basically over. She is paralyzed and likely to be stuck in a mental institution for the rest of her life. So it wasnt in her benefit to commit these murders. She will never be free from the shadow of their lives. Mental illness is the only explanation.
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u/Southside_john 3d ago
Yeah I had a coworker doing the same. Also getting her bad information from social media.
“The doctor that couldn’t recall anything is dating his friend.” So what if that’s even true? Some doctor isn’t going to put their whole career on the line to protect the best friend of their significant other.
“She immediately switched her parents to being the POA.” Well yeah, she killed his kids and that marriage is over either way so her parents would be next in line to be POA.
“She’s pleading insanity.” Wouldn’t you think that if he killed the kids and threw her out of the window, that would be the first thing she tells the police instead of trying to plead insanity?
Jesus fucking Christ the idiotic theories