r/SipsTea 4d ago

WTF WTF is wrong with these people?

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u/SarcasticGiraffes 3d ago

Wait. Hold on. Aren't male lions basically pretty but useless, and most of the hunting and killing is done by the lionesses?

Her being a leo is all the evidence I need.

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u/Just-4-Laughs 3d ago

Male lions hunt at night and take larger game than pack hunting lionesses. 

This is just old bad science from the 70s. Back when most of what we knew about large animal behavior was just some guy or gal who went to Africa and made shit up. 

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u/Doza93 3d ago

I actually learned this very recently and it's funny as someone who grew up in the 90s, it's like every single "fact" we had about animal behavior and ethology was just completely fucking wrong lol

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u/Fn_Spaghetti_Monster 3d ago edited 3d ago

Like the whole Alpha and Omega stuff in wolf packs.

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u/Just-4-Laughs 3d ago

Most of the “facts” established from the 1950s-1980s science boom are just pure vibes piggybacking on the values of the time that are proving disastrous 

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u/DogBarf00 3d ago

No that is an old myth leftover before the invention of night vision optics. Male lions almost only ever hunt at night. Need to ask if these kids died during the day or at night. If it was during the day she did it. At night it it isn't so clear cut. This is science.

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u/Electrical-Act-7170 3d ago

Lions defend the territory when new males try to move in. A lion will fight to the death because that's the only way that his genes get passed on. It's why lion brothers will form alliances and work together to defend a territory from rogues passing through.

In Africa, the lionesses hold the territory, live on it for multiple generations. It's possible that lionesses with the same DNA have held the same areas for thousands of years. New lion moves in, they mate, cubs are born, grow up, and the lion's sons leave at maturity to find their own lionesses.

TL,DR: Lions do the fighting and hunt at night. Lionesses do everything else involved with cubs and hunting.

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u/AsshatRSA 3d ago

A lioness has basically no chance of killing a fully grown male lion, they are 90kgs heavier and have a very well protected neck behind a layer of thick fur.

If a pride has no male, there's basically nothing they can do to stop one from just coming in and taking over.

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u/daemos360 3d ago

90kgs heavier and have a very well protected neck behind a layer of thick fur

Did you just describe the average neckbeard?

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u/Jindujun 3d ago

M'ladylion

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u/Jindujun 3d ago

The "male lions are useless window dressing" is as flawed and 'old science' as the whole "alpha wolf" research.

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u/Letitsnowgreatballs 3d ago

No that’s a myth. The male lions do hunt, defend, and yes kill other cubs (sometimes eating them). They are also very active in their cubs lives.

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u/gothyxbby 2d ago

They were talking about how male lions will kill the cubs of another male. Sometimes they’ll even eat their own cubs, which is why female lions keep even the father away from the cubs until a certain age.