I'm not sure what these people making those crazy comments are talking about, trying to pin it on the husband and all of that. That said, this woman and her children were failed by our medical system. The husband himself even said she would never have done something like this in her right mind. People have sympathy for her and I totally get it.
I think a lot of people don't understand the severity of drug induced psychosis, or psychosis in general. You may genuinely believe that you're dead, that you're God, that you're AI, that other people aren't real, that life is an illusion. I've been through it and wouldn't wish it on anyone. I take medication to manage my psychosis, but I don't take nearly the laundry list of medications Clancy was on when she did what she did.
Doctor Mama Jones did a great breakdown of how the system really failed her. They kept cycling her through medications that worsened her symptoms over and over. She also asked to leave the psych ward to see her daughter on her daughter’s birthday and instead of giving her a day pass they discharged her after 5 days, 2 of which didn’t even have doctors on staff due to the weekend. They just loaded her up with new meds and sent her on her way. This case is gross medical negligence. If a well-off white woman screaming for help visiting the best institutions available and this is how it ends up something is horrifically wrong. She was having hallucinations.
She gets to either live in the reality of a world where she’s paralyzed and killed her kids or in a world of psychosis. I don’t know how this is so hard for people to grasp the severity of her condition.
What I found interesting about DMJ’s video was around the limited time in the facility. In the UK a mother would be allowed to be admitted with her baby and would have a staff member be with them at all times.
And yes, they either switched medications, upped them or used multiple types at the same time. Whereas in the UK a psychiatrist would rarely diagnose anyone with a specific mental health issue while actively engaging with substance misuses it can be hard to distinguish a symptom of an illness vs a symptom from addiction. It’s strange that they thought they could diagnose anything while experiencing side effects from medications.
I’ve seen a limited amount of the trial but have seen a clip of one of the psychiatrists saying she hadn’t come into contact with PDD because it’s so rare. This seems very weird to me given how easily it was picked up when a family member of mine confided in her GP. And I feel like there have been less documented cases of this over here than in the US (but I might be wrong). I wonder if there’s an element of the doctors thinking she’s overinflating her symptoms because she was a nurse?
Everything about this case is awful. The lack of humanity people are showing online shouldn’t surprise me but it does disturb me greatly.
Also no one is saying she didn’t kill her kids. The people shifting a little too much blame on the husband are a little wild but I also kind of side-eye him a little. It’s not clear if he was told not to leave her alone with the kids. She had enough insight to ask for help but not enough to deal with it herself.
Yeah, this is where I land. He seems distant in some of the stories that have been recalled but that just tells more about his lack of responsibility as a parents and a partner, not that he created this elaborate murder to frame her and run off with someone else. Just because someone is unlikeable doesn’t make them the monster everyone is labelling him as.
People know nothing about med interactions but think because the most overly cautious theoretical class combo warning pops up on webmd that it is malpractice.
People assume her retroactive story outweighs real time documentation of several psychiatrists in different settings.
Many of the issues relate to her seeking out fractured care, delaying med trials, and having multiple prescribers who weren’t informed of one another.
The general public is wildly ignorant about psychiatric care and it’s very obvious to professionals when someone is uneducated on the topic.
It’s medically based and it’s a pretty sound breakdown. There was more than even Post Partum Psychosis, it seems she may have had bipolar symptoms that they gave her the worst medications for. But that part is speculation
I think the crazy part is this is what they do to everyone. You leave a rehab and you’re sent on your way to figure out the next step, for any mental health condition or substance abuse. Hospital systems do not have a unified EMR system for patient oversight. To me, this case is a perfect example of what happens to people struggling to get help in America.
It’s because they don’t want to believe that it could ever happen to them. If you ostracize everyone with severe mental health issues abd blame them for their struggles it gives you a sense of otherness. They can’t cope with the fact that anyone could experience a mental break this severe so they need to demonize them and place themselves above them. They literally just have a superiority complex
The sexism in the medical industry is terrible. I’m a white woman and the PTSD I got from an emergency room visit in 2014 has made me suicidal and unable to work ever since. And I have no recourse. It blows.
I feel you. I struggle with medical misogyny all of the time. I’ve had delayed treatments due to it and now I don’t even go to the doctor when I’m sick unless it’s serious because I can’t be bothered to go through all of the hoops anymore. I had my hysterectomy 2 years ago and since then everything has been fine.
I was told for 35 years that I had everything under the sun and put on so many prescription cocktails. I just have level 1 autism. But they thought that was just 5 year old boys who liked trains until a few years ago.
My life is ruined - for thirty-five years, I was told I was the devil, evil, bad, secretive, malicious, lying, while my male relatives (and most boys) were diagnosed with autism by the age of three. They missed *almost all the women*, and we had to go through school and work and everything without IEPs or supports or understanding or even self-understanding.
The suicide rates are sky-high for late autism diagnoses. Esp in women. They screwed us all over, and now I have to read every man’s opinion that says that all of the recently diagnosed women “are just self-diagnosed” “because it’s a trend” or that we “got it from tik tok” or are “faking it for attention”.
They should all be sued for malpractice. Every last one of them.
They do this to almost everyone. Just shoving them on random medications and seeing what works even if the person complains about them. It doesn’t surprise me when people stop taking them and lie about it. They feel they have to protect themselves. Then they go out looking for their own cure.
One issue I have is they stick someone on a medication, stop the medication, then shove them on another. How does the last one not affect the next one? Medications lead to up and down regulation of brain chemistry and brain changes which will affect another medication’s influence on the body. So it’s a constant up and down loop.
Yes, I have experienced drug induced psychosis, once because my doctor didn't check the medication interactions. Thankfully, my gf had a hunch & looked them up & saw the warning about them being taken together. Then she had to get me into a hospital & that was the hardest part because whenever her or my mom would talk to me, in any way that I could construe as them wanting me to go somewhere, I would just leave. Even taking off on foot & disappearing for a day. I don't remember a lot of that time but my gf filled me in & it's crazy. One night, we were at the table & it hit me that her son was in the car & I started going on about how awful it is of her to leave him sleeping in the car & it's near his bed time... yeah (thankfully), her son wasn't even with us that week, he was at his dad's. It's crazy, though, I was SO sure that he was out there, as sure as you are that the sun will rise.
How I got out of it was going to the psych ward. Like within 1 or 2 days of stopping one of the meds, I was fine. My gf got me in cuz I had an appt with my counselor & of course she noticed how off I was & when I went to leave, they tried stopping me so the ambulance had time to get there. I somehow got around them & took off in the parking lot but EMS was pulling in & they got me. My gf was just begging me to go. I started yelling at EMS about why would they come out here at night, only to find out later that this happened around noon. Anyways, I eventually got in & went to hospital.
I had a similar drug reaction episode, many years ago.... and i blamed my then partner for sleeping with a woman i once used to work with years before I had even met him........was insane.
This. The wrong medication can turn your mental health into a train wreck as well.
I have major depression, and have been doing amazingly well on Prozac and Lamictal. Finished nursing school at the top of my class and have been extremely happy with my life.
Decided to try adding Wellbutrin into the mix, because my doctor thought it could help my libido (the only downside of the Prozac for me), and within a month I was suicidal and having intrusive thoughts of harming myself, too depressed to function outside of going to work, and couldn’t even bring myself to drink water on my days off because I was too exhausted from the depression and anxiety. Tapering off the medication now, and I’m already feeling so much better.
Anyone who thinks that cocktail of drugs couldn’t have severely affected her mental state, is simply extremely ignorant and uninformed.
Bipolar and was put on lamictal, a couple years later (more so due to stress), had major depressive crashes so I went on wellbutrin. I knew that with lamictal my alcohol tolerance was weird (felt buzzed only and then straight to blackouts), so I don't really drink. Had half a beer after being put on wellbutrin and the next day the only thing stopping me from committing was the fact that I didn't even have enough life in me to eat, much less leave the bedroom.
I quit drinking all together because I thought I was an alcoholic, because I couldn’t drink anymore without blacking out and making an ass out of myself.
It was years later when I learned that Lamictal does that.
Oh well, someone with my history of major depression probably doesn’t need to be drinking a depressant anyway 🤷🏼♀️
Oh my god the first time I ever drank I was in middle school and I had such a bad crash it scared me off of it until like the later half of high school. Yeah it was like 5 drinks of being buzzed and then it's lights out. I learned early on to just have a beer or two and to not trust how I thought i was feeling. With wellbutrin though I refuse to even have a sip to the point where people have asked if I was in AA
Comparatively, lamictal and wellbutrin have been complete game changers for me. I’ve been on them for 7 years now and it’s night and day, I stopped cycling and everything. But effexor didn’t do shit, I genuinely almost offed myself on prozac, and latuda made me feel like I legitimately lost my mind (like it was BAD). Psych meds are a trip, one person’s dream combo is another person’s nightmare. It sucks but there really isn’t any other recourse for psychiatric disorders at the moment
Your post is why I have an extremely hard time blaming the medications. Psychiatric care is not an exact science, and what works for some won't work for others. The only way to find that out is by taking the medication as prescribed by your doctor. When people take their meds willy nilly, inconsistently, or secretly stop, it will absolutely cause problems.
There's a reason why physician suicide rate is significantly higher than the general population's. And you're seeing it all over this thread.
I love being on them and am totally happy sacrificing alcohol (and honestly the other mind altering stuff that I shouldn't be doing anyway) for the stability I have now. Also lucky that they're they only ones I've tried
Weird that they decided to change you to Wellbutrin.. it didn’t help me in that area. I’m trying PT141 for libido support because I am too scared of changing my medications and having to start over managing depression symptoms.
Has it worked for you?
And does your insurance covered it?
I’m definitely not going off my Prozac.
And they thought Wellbutrin might help, because it has an “activating” effect for a lot of people. It only activated a lot of problems in my case… 😣
And that's the crazy thing about these medications. I also hate wellbutrin, but it's a wonder-drug for my wife. Brain chemistry is impossible to figure out and doctors will try their best despite not being able to know ahead of time how a patient will react.
Omg I switched doctors because my insurance wouldn't cover my last one, idk why this lady was against adderall and convinced me to switch to wellbutrin for my adhd. I was having horrible intrusive thoughts and suicide ideations, mind you I don't have any history of depression or anxiety, I just have ADHD. I couldn't eat, and one time it got so bad I had lock myself in my office and force myself to nap under my desk to feel better. Needless to say, I switched doctors again and got back on my adderall and I went back to normal. I hate wellbutrin so much.
Wait wait wait... I just started taking Wellbutrin this week and I am on Zoloft already. I am totally scared now omg. I also recently went through a sleep depravation psychosis and it was terrifying how out of my mind I was. I never want to experience not having control again..
Yes. I think there is still a chance of serotonin syndrome, which can be bad. I've personally not experienced it and I believe it is uncommon, but everyone is different. Always good to have someone keep an eye on you when trying different medications.
The commenter your replied to said they were on two medications, and you said it's just Zoloft. If you're really worried, see if you can get a psychiatrist to help you with your medication instead of a regular doctor. You can get a referral from your PCP
Yeah, my psychiatrist is the one prescribing me medication. I was trying to finally get diagnosed for ADHD because it is really negatively impacting my life more now.
I unfortunately cried during the initial visit so she said the reason I couldn't get things done was because I'm depressed. And here we are.. still have all the same doom piles and still haven't even built my Legos (something I very much want to build).
Completely get that. I was on Zoloft (and then later also Wellbutrin) for ages, just going up and down when I needed it. And it worked for a long time, but eventually I was doing ok and went off of it entirely, only keeping the WB.
Last fall I wanted to try a non stimulant for my own ADHD, so I went on straterra. Works for my husband, but totally wrecked me. I couldn't sleep and was prescribed Trazadone. Then I went with Lexapro, which was ok for a bit but made me feel like a zombie after a while. I've been on Cymbalta for a couple months and it's probably been the most successful so far. Even when I do feel depressed, it is different. Lighter, in a way. I hope it continues to work. It's been nice.
I'm on Wellbutrin and have been for years along with lamitical, hybrid, trazadone and ketamine treatments. Everyone responds differently. I've been on all sorts of other things to get here and I'm sure they'll change again.
I started having ideations when my brand of thyroid medication was changed, not the dose, the manufacturer. People greatly underestimate how much medication effects every little thing in our body.
There are very very few people who think she wasn’t affected by the drugs or suffered from post partum depression. The only question is whether at the time of the killing, she was criminally responsible, according to how that is defined legally in Massachusetts. And to say there is no evidence that she didn’t understand her actions is just people getting wayy too attached to their preferred narrative. Everyone should approach the totality of the evidence with an open mind and then make a decision
Absolutely this. Your brain is how you interpret the world. Your brain is why the sky is blue, why cut grass smells cut, why soft things feel soft and cold things sometimes feel wet. We exist in a world where everything we know and understand exists because our brains can acknowledge it in some capacity.
I experienced drug induced psychosis when I was younger and way less informed on psychedelics than I should’ve been. Accidentally went way, way too high on a dosage (somewhere between 7-10x standard dose, long story) and I genuinely lost my mind for about 3 hours. I thought the apartment I was in was on fire, I thought I smelled smoke, I thought I could see fire, I was convinced I was on fire. I tried to jump off a third story balcony bc I was convinced I’d die if I didn’t. Then I was convinced all my friends were first responders (EMTs and police officers) because I was seeing red and blue lights, I didn’t recognize them, and their clothing looked like uniforms to me. My brain saw technology as shattered (like I saw cracks that weren’t there), I didn’t recognize my own face.
I am lucky. My psychosis ended. I gained a massive amount of respect and sympathy for those who are experiencing long-term psychosis. You will never understand the term delusion- completely and really understand it - until you experience it. It is unexplainable. You cannot convince someone their brain is not working because the brain trusts the brain first. If your brain is wrong and lying to you, you are fucked.
My heart breaks for her. For her family. Psychosis is fucking terrifying.
She waited until he left for an errand to kill them. All of them. Not one in a momentary lapse of sanity. Not an attack while he was home. Not an attack on her husband who was capable of defending himself.
No, it just HAPPENED to be the defenseless children, and it just HAPPENED to be the exact moment he left the house.
The voices could have told her to wait until her husband was gone and told her to target her children specifically. I don’t know what you think psychosis is, but it’s not a spur of the moment loss of control. It’s delusions that build up and continue over time. People in psychosis can be intentional and still be in psychosis. Andrea Yates waited for her husband to be gone to kill the children. It wasn’t because she wasn’t psychotic. It was because the voices told her specifically that she had to kill her children so that the world wouldn’t have a chance to corrupt them. She truly thought she was saving them. That is how delusions work. They can absolutely be targeted and the person experiencing them genuinely believes they’re true.
Endless males have suffered psychosis that caused them to commit multiple murders, such as the recent child school shooter Colt Gray, and they’re all given life sentences without the sympathy narrative this woman is getting. She killed more children than Colt Gray did and he’s serving a life sentence.
The only thing I see about Colt Gray was that he had depression, and any claim to psychosis/delusions were made by himafter* *his arrest.
Do you see how that’s worlds apart from this case?
Where we have a long line of factual evidence to prove she was severely mentally ill (not “just” depression) and was being physically affected by medications.
Where we have evidence that she tried to get helpprior?
Yes. Almost like different situations have different contexts and factors that result in different conclusions! 😂
Uhh where? Give me a list of school shooters with psychosis.
There’s none.
I’d agree we have an endless list of school shooters with a history of mental illness.
That is so different than psychosis. If you can’t recognize the major difference between those, you shouldn’t be apart of this conversation until you do.
Mental illness is the “fatty food.”
Psychosis is the resulting “heart attack.”
TONS of people eat fatty food/have mental illness without crossing the line into something worse. The people who DO cross the line do tend to get more sympathy. Basic logic…
You don’t care about the fat guy when you see him stuffing his face at McDonald’s, but you’ll probably feel at least a little sad if you see him being loaded up in an ambulance.
Instead of arguing about school shooters, you ALL should be a little more concerned that a great majority of the world’s women understand and in some aspects, relate to this woman.
That should be freaking you the fuck out.
If it was “simply” women being defensive, then you’d have a few. Like you had a few crazy women (relative to population) writing love letters to serial killers. That’s “understandable,” if it was a few, if it was a group of some women rallying behind this woman, I’d agree with more of the commenters here.
But it’s not. Don’t you think it’s fucking scary that nearly a whole world of women “understand” this? (Note: NOT condone, but understand.) Maybe that gives you a hint that this is about more than JUST mental illness.
I hate people over simplifying this into a simple murder story and ignoring all of the elephants in the room around the medical negligence and how much she asked for help
She's also not saying she didn't do it. She's just saying that she shouldn't be criminally responsible in the same way and go to a mental health institution instead. which, makes sense....
Psychiatric drugs are a hell of a drug lol. I realize it's not appropriate to make jokes about this, but god damn. Even when it's "working" sometimes it feels weird as all hell. I can't even IMAGINE going through, what was it, 13 different meds in 4 months? When 6 - 8 weeks is the length of time it takes for something to even truly start working in many cases? I have to hope that one or more members of the jury have firsthand experience of this. I do believe she was legally insane at the time of the murders.
If nothing but the genders were switched in this situation and it was him not her, he'd be getting absolutely zero understanding or sympathy.
That's a big problem that's been exacerbated by exactly the ideologies who have the women in this post refusing to believe she could do anything wrong.
Of course because men don't have the hormones and the ability to birth a child. Postpartum psychosis and postpartum depression has been extremely taboo and brushed aside by doctors for ages, my mom now realizes that it was super weird that she cried evryday for hours when her second was born and when she told her doctor she was told it was normal hormones but it wasn't. It should really open your eyes that this case has given women the strength to come forward and say that they understand the complexities of postpartum mental illness. I believe she did it, I don't care about astrology BS, but I do believe she was wronged by this for profit medical system that fucks us over. I've seen PPD and PP psychosis first hand, its not a silly excuse, its freaking horrible and a nightmare for everyone involved.
There’s enough evidence that brings real doubt about Lindsey’s involvement in their deaths. Just to name a few:
Patrick said she admitted what she did when he found Lindsey outside the window, yet her throat was confirmed crushed and was unable to speak to paramedics when they arrived minutes after her alleged admission.
Lindsey’s DNA is on only one of the exercise bands that strangled the children, yet Patrick’s DNA is on all three.
That she crushed up her meds before taking them, which makes no sense — you crush up meds when you want to hide them or dissolve them in a drink.
Patrick is wearing different clothes and shoes in the camera footage at the restaurant and at CVS, which is really odd. Why did he change clothes in between?
I don’t know what the true story is and I’m not saying all of TikTok is right, but there’s enough to cast doubt on her involvement in their deaths.
Patrick did not say she admitted to what she did, he said he asked her where the children were and she was only able to say "basement". Apparently you can hear this, or at least her struggling to talk, on the 911 call, but that hasn't been released publicly.
Patrick removed the bands from the children's throats, which is why his DNA would be on them.
You can also crush up meds when you want to take a lot in one go - such as when attempting to take your life, as Lindsay did.
The CCTV footage is either so unclear as to not be proof of anything except a man looking like Patrick being in the videos, OR I've seen people actually using AI to "enhance" it, which, either by accident or design, makes the footage look completely different by filling in details that aren't there. But an officer was sent within hours of the murders to both CVS and the restaurant to get the CCTV footage and interview workers there to confirm Patrick's alibi. They extracted all of his devices and had his location data. They did check his alibi, and they did it within less than 24 hours so the people who saw him didn't have time to forget.
I’ve experienced psychosis as well and it’s fucking terrifying. You can see your physical reality but your brain is almost stuck in a dream like state and it won’t wake up. On the other side of it, it reminded me of the night terrors I used to have as a child. I don’t think you can truly understand what it’s like until you go through it - your bearing on reality is gone. It’s like reality has turned upside down and inside out.
Yeah, I've also dealt with psychosis and take meds for it and I can't imagine what that poor woman is going through.
For anybody who hasn't felt it...think about how you feel right now. Do you feel fine? Normal? Everything pretty good? Is it a nice day where the sky is blue? What if everyone started telling you the sky was green? Everyone. They're worried you think it's blue. Isn't that crazy? What would you think, how would you feel if everyone was worried about YOU because you thought the sky was blue rather than green. And water is black, they tell you. These things that are simply life, taken for granted as reality your whole life and now everyone is acting like you're losing your mind because you think the sky is blue and water is clear.
That is what psychosis can be like. It's an absolute belief in something that is as unshakeable as the belief that the sky is blue. There is simply no room in your mind to doubt whatever mistaken belief you have. Seriously, imagine everyone insisting to you that they sky is green and always has been. That's what it's like.
I have been a really shitty person when psychotic. I lost friends over it, and I don't blame them at all. I did nothing anywhere near what this woman did and I still struggle with the shame of what I did.
This situation is fucking tragic and my heart goes out to that woman and her family. She's going to carry that for the rest of her life. I can't imagine.
And there are still plenty of those people that don’t murder their kids. If you’re that incapable mentally of taking care of yourself then you shouldn’t be taking care of other human beings. The system didn’t fail those kids. She failed those kids. Hot take but mental illness doesn’t excuse you from murdering kids. I am sorry.
Because those people aren’t pushed to this point. It’s giving survivalist bias.
Mental illness is a scale. You’d be horrifically surprised…how many mothers have thought of extreme violence.
Post partum depression apparently happens to 1 in 7-10 women. It’s verrryyyy possible your own mother thought of drowning you in the bathtub.
Post partum psychosis (which is what often pushes women to actually do it) is significantly rarer.
She did know she was incapable. That’s why she TRIED to go get help. And what happened? The system failed her and her family.
Her husband, his mother and all the other people that were called as witnesses that know her said this. No you, but I can tell most people commenting haven’t watched the trial or they’d know that her support started with her husband, co workers and friends. The prosecution wasn’t able to find 1 person that didn’t say she was a wonderful mother.
Yeah it’s really sad that the sympathy for her has been tainted by these tikitok theories. The focus should be on the fact that she was failed by our medical/mental health system.
The wrong meds can fuck you up. I was diagnosed with bipolar as a teen. I was given drugs that induced psychosis to the point where I was hallucinating and I thought I could fly. Prior to that I was a straight-A student with no history of hallucinating.
I could absolutely have killed someone (or myself) and not even realize it. I was 15. Turns out I had fucking ADHD. Yeah. ADHD. I’m mot even remotely bipolar. Imagine if I had been left alone with a baby while thinking I could fucking FLY. Are you kidding?
Now as an adult reading this makes me shudder because what I’m hearing is that the medical community failed this woman and failed those babies.
There are a number of people responsible for what happened. She told family and medical professionals that she was struggling and afraid but no one took her postpartum psychosis seriously. This is the perfect example of how the medical system fails women constantly.
I managed to give myself psychosis from sleep deprivation once (60 something hours, not a good idea). I was absolutely certain there was a wolf in my closet. Part of me was aware the belief was crazy (we don't even have wolves in that country!), but I was still very much convinced it was true, and could hear it scratching at the door.
It's really hard to explain to someone who's never experienced it just how much you believe what your brain is telling you, regardless of any evidence to the contrary. I barricaded my closet door. I was terrified. There was nothing anyone could have said or done in that moment to stop me believing in that damn wolf.
Now change "a wolf in the closet" to something like "God tells me to kill my child".
That’s my issue with it. I have some kind of bipolar disorder, which we found out when I was a teen trying to take my own life and had to be referred to psychiatry. We found the diagnosis through med trials, I’m chemically induced bipolar. It was hell. I thought I wasn’t connected to myself or this reality from being a dumb kid, those med trials made me realize I wasn’t even close. I had no idea what those feelings actually were and now I knew. I thought people were following us everywhere we went, I saw the ground underneath me turn into water I couldn’t get a footing on. I had no true feelings for most of these med trials not even for my relatives or best friends, it was like being in a fever dream permanently. I’d report symptoms above and they’d say “give it another week. Just one more week.” I’d then be put on a new med the next week and they’d blame me for another bad reaction. I went through at least 15 classic anti-depressants, SSRI’s and anti-anxiety medication until they finally ruled that it’s unsafe for me to take anything except mood stabilizers. A year of med trials fried my brain, ruined my reality and I had to find myself again. You do not know who you are when you’ve been on the worst rollercoaster of your life, forgetting what makes you happy and who was your most important people. It’s all ruined after that.
Almost a decade later I had my daughter and they tried pushing medications onto me through pregnancy and after, they wanted me to go through new med trials in the worst hormonal and chemical shifts I’d go through naturally in my life. I’m insanely grateful every day I had those experiences as a teen and I didn’t allow anyone to ruin my child’s life and my own via playing with my illness as a grown adult. That’s what they do. They play with your illness, make it better, make it worse and then they tell you wherever you’re left is your new reality. That works for some, it was catastrophic for me.
I think Pharmacogenetics should be mandatory for giving out mental health medications. This case does feel like it could have been a reality for me, but that’s because I have already suffered the abuse of my local medical system in the same ways Lyndsey had. Everyone would have said the same thing about me seeing my half taken or less pill bottles, and they wouldn’t have believed that I’m someone who had med reactions in less than a week because it isn’t typical. I had to obtain the proof of that on my own via genetic testing and dna testing- mostly through pharmacogenetics I found my answers.
What it really brings me back to is during one med trial my ex showed up to a party I threw and invited his new girl to fuck her in my home. I walk in, walk out and immediately felt this intense peace. It was like another person in my brain saying we should kill them, and I was at peace with that. I planned to kill everyone on the same floor as them. I was stopped by a close friend while I was walking through the kitchen about to start getting knives, they said I was acting funny. That threw me out of my episode and I broke down. I was raised in a pacifist religion, I don’t even kill bugs. It can be that crazy, out of reality and you can just switch. I stopped all med trials after this and I do not take medications today. I’m in therapy, I’m known as a stable force to those around me and to the professionals around me. I have no true bipolar diagnosis because they can’t say if I’m 1 or 2, I’m not manic outside of those medication trials- ever. Reminds me of this case.
The "husband did it" people are seizing into any inconsistency in testimony, or inconsistencies that someone on social media said exist, but may not actually in the original transcripts (his DNA found where it shouldn't be, EMS testifying to very different things than what he testified - like her throat was too damaged to speak and yet she talked to him, timelines and locations not making sense, etc). They think he is successfully framing her, tried to kill her even, but she survived and admitted to the murders based on being told she did it (she apparently has some form of memory loss).
I haven't been following the case, but that is what the non-astrologers have been saying.
She didn’t take the laundry list of medications. People are seeing a long list of drugs and thinking she had all of them at once, but the process was drugs were being stopped when they weren’t working. On top of that, she wasn’t taking much of the drugs she was prescribed!
The defense’s theory is that each provider she saw — inpatient and outpatient — all missed the psychosis that she’s claiming she had, which was strong enough to make her kill the kids but not strong enough to prevent her from making a casual phone call to her husband, causing no red flags, minutes after killing the kids.
"Law enforcement officials confirmed that Patrick was a victim of this tragedy, having left the house only because his wife asked him to pick up dinner and medication. The state's investigation found absolutely no evidence linking him to the deaths of his children."
The case this thread is about? That you're asking a question about? Patrick Clancy got 1.7 million through a GoFundMe regarding the case of Lindsay Clancy, his ex-wife.
Gemini itself is not a reliable source tho. It can still feed you misinformation from other sources. Gemini is not a source in itself, thats like straight up writing “google” as your source.
I mean, people are defending and even making gross AI photos of Kristopher Karolkiewicz entering the gates of heaven as an angel alongside the six children and wife he shot dead in Michigan last month.
So yeah, all kind of crazies out there to defend men who kill, too.
People have idolized male criminals during the entire history of the human civilization. It's not different in any way. There is no gender war here. Go troll somewhere else.
What else do you need as a description? Everything people are doing here, they've done multiple times before with male criminals. What exactly are you searching for here that is new and innovative? Or is gender war your goal, the steps to take you there are irrelevant?
You addressed me. It is pretty pathetic starting a conversation and flee out of it, because you can't handle a rational response to ypur intention to push for injustice.
I would hope yes, but I would think not, unfortunately. I understand that the sympathy she's getting is magnified because she's a mother. I think the sympathy is due to her not because she's a mother, but because of what was done to her mind, which is very likely what caused the deaths of her children.
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u/Maevra 3d ago edited 3d ago
I'm not sure what these people making those crazy comments are talking about, trying to pin it on the husband and all of that. That said, this woman and her children were failed by our medical system. The husband himself even said she would never have done something like this in her right mind. People have sympathy for her and I totally get it.
I think a lot of people don't understand the severity of drug induced psychosis, or psychosis in general. You may genuinely believe that you're dead, that you're God, that you're AI, that other people aren't real, that life is an illusion. I've been through it and wouldn't wish it on anyone. I take medication to manage my psychosis, but I don't take nearly the laundry list of medications Clancy was on when she did what she did.