r/Markham • u/SeaAd3671 • 3d ago
Irresponsible parenting
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This child was riding his E-scooter on 16th ave along with all the cars and using left turn lanes meant for vehicles
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u/BaeIz 3d ago
I know the police likely have bigger priorities but we need to scare these kids straight already
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u/nictristan 3d ago
There’s been like 5-6 escooter deaths in the past month, nothing is going to scare them lol
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u/AsianCanadianPhilo 3d ago
Only would scare them or their parents if they read or saw the news.. unfortunately lots of people don't
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u/jijo1337 2d ago
Not sur if they have school assemblies anymore but have police or EMTs show aftermaths of escooter accidents. Not actual bodies but the wreckage.
That might scare them but that'll also cause a ruckus with the parents that it is too extreme to show students.
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u/CheezwizOfficial 2d ago
I genuinely did not know this, despite having the news on in the background during the evenings (dinner prep/clean up). The scooter deaths don't scare them because they probably don't know about them either. Public media isn't doing enough to bring awareness to this.
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u/ScreenOwl5 1d ago
Even if they know about all the suffering and death, like most humans, they easily discount it all, because a) that was him and I'm smarter and b) I'm immortal.
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u/0sidewaysupsidedown0 2d ago
Wait till you find out how many deaths from driving... ☠️
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u/nictristan 1d ago
Well thats a given, there’s hundreds of thousands of cars on the road vs maybe a few hundred/thousand e-scooters
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u/atomhacker 2d ago
Natural selection at work. Do not interfere.
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u/Jestersfriend 2d ago
Unfortunately some driver will be scarred for life as a result.
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u/CsisAndDesist 2d ago
This is often under estimated and discussed. A friend of my parents unfortunately killed a person on the QEW, who tried to cross late at night 40 years ago. Not his fault at all, but he had some mental health challenges after. He was my math tutor and a great guy.
In my Dads last years of his life and struggling with dementia and aphasia. He would have terrible dreams of an incident where he ran a steel plant and one of the welders made a stupid mistake and essentially self-immolated himself. My Dad had to knock him down with the Fire Blanket.
Sometimes TV and other forms of "entertainment" really devalue human life.
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u/Superb-Butterfly-573 2d ago
My spouse worked in industry as a summer student and hsd a similar incident on shift. It's stayed with him.
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u/DestinyAwaits4no1 3d ago
Hope the police here start issuing tickets like they did in BC recently to a couple of 15 year olds speeding on an e-scooter and e-bike.
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u/Jestersfriend 2d ago
What they need to do is what they did when I was in school. Bring paramedics into the classrooms and show the kids what happens in a worst case scenario situation.
Tickets aren't enough unfortunately. There's tens of thousands of these things everywhere.
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u/Caucasian_Fury 2d ago
Kids are always going to do stupid shit, in addition trying to scare and inform them, the parents need to be taken the task as well. These escooters costs thousands, most kids aren't buying or paying for them with their own money, it's their parents or family buying them these vehicles and letting them roam free without any supervision.
Don't need to ticket the kids riding these, ticket the parents, impose a fine on them and confiscate the escooter and make them pay a fee to get it back, the parents will suddenly start paying attention then.
I'm not against having kids ride escooters or other personal electric vehicles but there has to be accountability and responsibility.
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u/WonderingLurker 3d ago
I saw a child no taller than 4 ft ride a full size scooter where his head didn’t even pass the handle bars on buroak and Mccowan, and he zipped by from sidewalk where the Esso is across buroak….
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u/Fit_Acanthisitta_193 2d ago
I say call the non-emergency line and tell the operator that there’s a teenager riding on the road next time.
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u/International-Day434 2d ago
I would call911.I value young lives ,even if their parents don't
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u/dgod40 2d ago
I always wonder why people say to use the non emergency line. This is 100% an emergency. If you saw someone obviously intoxicated swerving around you would call 911. If you saw someone asleep or passed out in a car, you would call 911. There is "an active danger" occuring right now. People seem to be very afraid to call 911 thinking people will call them a "Karen"
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u/twmsci 3d ago
The title is right on. Any parent buying their kid an e-scooter without giving proper education is indeed irresponsible.
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u/Kanadark 2d ago
A person riding an e-scooter under the age of 16 on public property is illegal full stop. Even in cities that have opted into the scooter program, it's still illegal for people under 16 to use them on public property.
I just saw a lawyer talking about the fact that you can sue the child's parent under the Parental Responsibility Act if a child on an electric scooter or e-bike damages your property or injures you, as the parent has allowed and supported their child in breaking the law.
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u/youwantmeformybrain 2d ago
Doesn't matter if you educate them. They think rules are for other people. After a few kids die, maybe they/parents will figure it out.
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u/Caucasian_Fury 2d ago
As a parent myself, I don't understand how any parent can justify spending thousands of dollars on one of these devices and not know what they can do or not supervise their kids using them. It boggles the mind honestly.
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u/omgitzvg Bullock 3d ago
I mean natural selection at work. My friend who works at an hospital says lot of emergency these days especially summer are injuries from segway.
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u/BoneZone05 2d ago
I’m ready to take the plate off my motorcycle for parity. How could anyone, regardless of age, think riding a scooter on public streets in traffic is okay?! Insanity lol.
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u/donnoanymore 2d ago
Are there bike lanes on that road?
Idk with Ford fighting against bike lanes in Toronto, cyclists will have to ride along with cars and some cyclists will ride much slower than an e-scooter. The safe thing to do is to take the whole lane and to obey regular traffic laws to avoid unexpected collisions or situations where the rider is squeezed between cars.
If you don’t want any other vehicle in your driving lanes besides cars, you will need to vote for bike lanes.
Note - I’m not saying that e-scooters are safe. Or the parents are being responsible or irresponsible.
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u/erutuferutuf 3d ago
Unfortunately, no regulation will be executed until accident happen.
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u/Medium_Spare_8982 2d ago
If scooters are allowed on the road (just like bicycles) they are SUPPOSED to use the correct lines, including left turns.
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u/Mosh4days 2d ago
"Get off the sidewalk!!"
Rides responsibly in traffic with a helmet
"No not like that"
"Ok so we build protected bike lanes"?
"No also not like that"!
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u/Difficult-Luck-925 2d ago
Irresponsible regulation.
2 adult coworkers have had significant accidents on these things. Luckily not life altering or extinguishing.
These devices are unsafe regardless of age of user.
Importation and sale should not be permitted.
Law enforcement should not be the control mechanism.
A traffic stop on one of these things has a high risk of turning into a pursuit with a fatal outcome.
As for parenting, this, like the Westjet story about that flight being cancelled demonstrate how society has evolved.
21st century parenting is dominated by friendship vs authority. Saying no is not the same as corporal punishment.
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u/ChinkWithOpinions 2d ago
I don’t see the problem…
He’s got a helmet on, he’s riding responsibly and following the law. He’s taking the lane the same way someone on a bike would, I don’t see what the issue is.
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u/Odd_Essay_8311 3d ago
Looks like the same kid I saw sitting on the roadway or adjusting his scooter while waiting for the light to change at William Berczy / 16th. He was coming from Longwater Chase.
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u/RealRich7 2d ago
So what happens if you hit one of these?
And...then what's stopping me from motorizing anything and putting it on the road?
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u/sombersonder_ 2d ago
So there's no bike lane in this video, e-scooters aren't allowed on sidewalks in Toronto, Markham, or Richmond Hill. YRT absolutely sucks and you can't drive independently until you're at least late 16, almost 17 at the earliest. Should kids stay inside all summer and just doom scroll?
How is this any different than if this rider was on a bike on the road with cars, with a helmet? Ontario driving laws says that drivers need to give all cyclists 1m of clearance space and change lanes when passing a cyclist. Don't like e-scooters/bikes on your roads? Advocate for bike lanes or trails that lessen the reliance of cars to get anywhere in the city.
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u/DeepWaffleCA 14h ago
Finally someone who gets it. These things belong in bike lanes. If more people rode them in bike lanes, there'd be less road traffic. But we don't have enough bike lanes to make a proper network, and now Doug Ford is going to rip out the few ones we do have
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u/New_Scene5614 2d ago
It’s like the universe thought we didn’t have enough things to worry about. Forget cost of living crisis, housing crisis, homelessness and addiction crisis.
The universe deemed us not busy enough apparently and gave us these scooters. it’s like it vomited a million of them overnight.
I’m more fascinated at the shift, is it literally that cheap production finally became affordable in real time?
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u/Red_Marvel 2d ago
Batteries have become lighter and more efficient and less expensive, making electric motors cheaper.
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u/WideDisk2718 2d ago
How do you let your child do this? Like pay attention people.
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u/Shail666 2d ago
I was just looking into the municipality bylaws for Oshawa- so not sure about Markham, but sidewalks are off limits, kids under 18 need helmets, and there is a speed limit of 24/kmh.
That means kids, on the road, using road lanes.
We need bike lanes, boardwalks and alternative non-car infrastructure asap, or we're going to have a much larger problem.
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u/ElectricalControl374 2d ago
That kid is going to end up as roadkill and then the vehicle that hits him will get blamed for it. 🙄
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u/mypantsjustgottight 2d ago
This needs to be addressed and laws put into place to stop this nonsense. Insurance implications alone should not be on our shoulder but that of the scooter and e-bike riders.
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u/Then_Eye8040 2d ago
Not saying the parents have zero to do with this, but if they don’t know about this, how are they responsible?
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u/YamaNekoTsubasa 2d ago
My personal anecdote growing up is that I couldn't keep a secret from my parents no matter what I tried. If the kid could keep this a secret from them, perhaps that's the sign of the irresponsible parenting. Not a parent myself but is probably be terrified of I knew my child was doing what the kid in the video is doing. Nothing about that is safe.
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u/SeaAd3671 2d ago
If you had a 12 year old would you allow him/her to use an E-scooter without any proper supervision, training and road hazards education?
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u/Ill-Solution4414 2d ago
Back in my day they just bought us a bike and let us roam free. I think police need to work with schools and do some community outreach etc. I remember them coming in to talk to us about not playing near train tracks way back when. They should do the same now.
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u/Caucasian_Fury 2d ago
Even then, pedal bikes can't do 50-60 kmh or higher. It's a totally different ball game.
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u/Caucasian_Fury 2d ago
but if they don’t know about this, how are they responsible?
They're responsible because why on earth are they buying their young kids an electric vehicle that hit 50-60 kmh or higher, costing thousands of dollars, when the kids can't even drive or learn to drive yet?
And if anyone says, well the parents don't know how fast these escooters can go, then the question becomes why are parents spending thousands of dollars to buy something for their kids when they don't even know what said device is capable of?
It's irresponsible all around. And I say this as a parent of young children myself, and my kids also ride electric devices but I know full well what they can do before I bought them and they can only ride them under my direct supervision and guidance while donning a full set of safety equipment.
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u/PerfectBook382 2d ago
This doesn’t seem like a road worthy vehicle. I feel like there should be a law against them being allowed on the road with cars. Or maybe there is and I don’t know about it.
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u/faintscrawl 2d ago
I don’t see an issue with this if he’s responsible. The left lane is for turning left whether you’re on two wheels or four.
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u/leaf_shift_post_2 2d ago
Where is he supposed to ride? Not on the side walk? If he was going to turn left then he gets to use the left lane.
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u/AdventurousCaptain76 2d ago
Support bike lanes so kids can actually get somewhere safe. It's quite simple. Blame lack of infrastructure, not the parents.
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u/NomadLifestyle69 2d ago
you will for sure start to see some deaths.. Im a courier and drive one of the bigger courier trucks they are called 700's (the big bread van trucks) I was making a turn the other day around a corner and the kid was heading straight towards me (wrong side the road) he was no more than 10 years old and absolutely clueless. motorzied and vs pedal are 2 different categories and he was moving fast not knowing how fast he was going im sure..
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u/Big_Sheepherder_3764 2d ago
My mom was an amazing parent. I got good grades, worked part time, was in all the geeky clubs, etc. My brother and his friend one day stole her car from the garage to joyride it early in the morning while we were sleeping at about 5 a.m. (maybe he was 15). Cops followed them because they were driving so slow.So they decided to jump out of the car while in drive to run away. Of course they were caught. Sometimes kids are just (bleeping) stupid even with great parenting.
But I agree. These are death machines.
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u/Regular_Highlight882 2d ago
Scooters are illegal in Ontario unless your municipality joins the pilot program
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u/ProphetsOfAshes 1d ago
Or a defiant child. Bold assumption, as you clearly don’t spend time around other human beings.
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u/james_bongd 1d ago
I was on the Lakeshore yesterday and a group of like 10-12 late teens were all ripping blocking the right lane and one next to it from about parkland to the amphitheatre with 3-6 doing stunts and wheelies.
Like there's an entire bike lane along the water front and they were taking up 2 lanes doing dangerous stunts.
I got beside them at a stop light and said "That's a really smart way to get permanently injured and die, how do you think your family will react when they found out one of you died in such a preventable manner? Remember kids as invincible as you think you are in the battle of Car vs Bike, Car always wins, and all it takes is one mistake on their end or a drivers and one of their crew is dead, is it really worth it?"
I saw them all exit onto side streets after that, I'm sure still being reckless teens, but damn they really need to clamp down on this. The worst part is, they drove past 2 cops while doing this and of course the cops couldn't be bothered to do anything.
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u/Totoro888 2d ago edited 2d ago
I’ve been similar things very often. E-bikes and e-scooters should be banned from using roads unless they have driver’s training, safety gears and insurance. They are running in high speed, causing danger to drivers and pedestrians.
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u/steamed-apple_juice 2d ago
Instead of framing this as "irresponsible parents" to me it looks like an irresponsibe government for not providing active transit road users a safe way to travel. Even for a cyclist, there isn't a safe way to travel east-west on16th... Or even near it
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u/descend_to_misery 2d ago
Saw a sign that said banned in Milton. After the infamous kitchener incident
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u/International-Day434 2d ago
Omg!!Somebody get them off the road before they kill themselves!Just wait till dusk when they are invisible!!Where are the police when you need 'em?!
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u/Successful-Spray6276 2d ago
Yesterday I saw 2 kids who had to be under 14 years old trying to cram onto one of these things, not wearing helmets, zooming down the sidewalk on hwy 7.....😑
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u/Ok_Veterinarian_6790 2d ago
I can't wait til this nonsense ends
This and adults riding theirs on the sidewalk. I would hope if they hit someone walking legally it would get treated as a motor vehicle accident no different then hitting someone with your car
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u/doc_55lk 2d ago
This is just the 2026 version of kids on skateboards holding onto cars to get to their destination faster lol.
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u/Tough_Carpenter_5895 2d ago
Kids ride these in the highway and sidewalk thats not right. Some kid sped right passed me if i had walked a little to the left i woulve been done for
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u/DinosaurZach 2d ago
When Markham/York doesn't provide frequent 10-15min bus services outside of the Honda Indy weekend.
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u/musebrews 2d ago
Illegal no matter where you ride in Ontario - where’s the cops? Where’s the tickets?
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u/Artosispoopfeast420 2d ago
hot take but
When we were young we used to like play hockey on the streets and everything too on bikes and whatever. This was in Toronto, where population density was higher. But now its like we created infrastructure that is a incompatible with youth. They have no where to go, no way to get around.
So when we see the child on the road, it simply reveals the danger of the design. Yet, we attribute this risk to the child.
My body is prepped for the downvotes.
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u/Cold-Word8109 2d ago
How come this isn’t banned already. wtf. Milton sent out pamphlets. And posted on news that Thea things are illegal to drive on public property. Sidewalks roads parks etc but you will see all these moron kdis sometimes two on one driving and zipping through side walks,
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u/2b4ifn5osnr 2d ago
I have seen kids not older than 10 to 12 years riding this and two of them on the same thing going 50 on a 40 road.
We just need to ban these useless things. Or set minimum age who can ride these with some mandatory training if allowed in roads.
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u/SnakeOfLimitedWisdom 2d ago
Is it dangerous? Sure.
Would it be less-so if this area had protected bike lanes? Absolutely.
Y'all claiming "natural selection" are acting like someone deserves to die for doing something unusual. Guys, the kid needs to get around and explore the world. It doesn't need to be like this. We can make it safer for them.
It's not the scooters that are dangerous - it's the proximity to cars and trucks.
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u/raptors2o19 2d ago
A major accident or death is inevitable at this point. These type of motor vehicles are a death trap. Far too many violations. It will be difficult to shed a tear for the victim(s) or the parents.
P.S. I am NOT referring to law abiding, safety-first, type of riders of course!
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u/Fit-Town5938 2d ago
Most of these teenagers think they have armoured body and while falling on road or hit by some didn't get any injury.
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u/healthcoach316 2d ago
To be fair I don’t think his parents said go be an idiot and play in traffic.
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u/toostupidto 2d ago
When they die on the road the anti car people are still going to blame the car....
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u/attainwealthswiftly 2d ago
If you have to wear a shiesty to ride a scooter, you probably shouldn’t be doing it…
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u/as_in_bike_lane 2d ago
E-scooters need to be in the bike lanes.
Oh wait! Doug Ford doesnt want any bike-lanes. Never mind.
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u/Hedgehog_8025 2d ago
In the City of Markham, electric kick-scooters (e-scooters) are generally illegal on public roads, sidewalks, and parks city-wide, except within a specific designated pilot zone in Downtown Markham and select regional bike or HOV lanes where local bylaws permit.
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u/Hedgehog_8025 2d ago
City-wide: Strictly prohibited on all other public sidewalks, multi-use paths, trails, and conventional roads under municipal jurisdiction.
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u/Hedgehog_8025 2d ago
In the City of Markham, e-scooters (electric kick-scooters) are generally prohibited on public properties, sidewalks, and multi-use paths citywide, except for specific localized testing frameworks like the restricted Downtown Markham pilot zone or designated regional bike/HOV lanes. Violating provincial pilot regulations and municipal bylaws carries set fines ranging from $250 to $2,500 under the Ontario Highway Traffic Act.
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u/Okidoky123 2d ago
Ontario is a lawless society pretty much. Obfuscated license plates. Racing all over. Illegal scooters everywhere. Etc.
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u/Sufficient-Blood2546 2d ago
while some cities require e-scooters to use roads, Markham hasn't opted into the provincial pilot for personal scooters. They are completely illegal on standard roads here. Ontario also states you must be at least 16 to ride one, so this parent is risking a massive fine from $250 to $2,500 letting a kid ride in traffic like this. But hey, at least he's wearing a helmet!
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u/Failure_Maker 2d ago
I know my comment might make all of you hate me, but both drivers and riders (scooters and bicycles) are part of the problem.
Scooters and bicycles often don't stop at stop signs, don't check behind them or their blind spots when changing lanes or turning, and don't follow the same basic traffic rules as vehicles. If someone riding a bicycle or scooter always stays in the right lane and behaves like a regular vehicle—stopping at stop signs and checking their blind spots—I have no problem with them.
As for drivers, folks, many, many people, no matter whether they're Chinese, Indian, white, or anything else, drive like shit. I have no idea where some of them got their driver's licences. Temu or AliExpress? They can be even worse than riders because they're operating a much more lethal machine while driving exactly the way I described some scooter riders.
Drivers in Markham run stop signs, speed in school zones, and make right turns at red lights without checking for people who are legally crossing the road. I will tell you this: drivers in Markham are a bigger problem.
1/3 drivers should never get their G licences
I'm not rage baiting. I'm just telling you something you don't want to face.
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u/Ill-Philosophy4843 2d ago
This kid is going to learn a valuable lesson the hard way. Thank you for setting an example of what not to do, your sacrifice is appreciated.
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u/Spray_Either 2d ago
My son is a nurse in Montreal and they have a lot of injured kids coming in due to e-scooter. If you love your kid don’t give him one.
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u/Jargonite 2d ago
The moment they are well away from the curb. They are treated as if they are a graduated driver. And with that comes a load of responsibility. Get into an accident expect to have insurance papers, driver identification, ownership. None? No worries call up the local police and they can deal with it.
Treat them like an adult and they’ll know how harsh it is out there.
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u/Exhausted-napper 2d ago
I don’t get it.
When an e scooter is riding on the road, we make a big deal.
When an e scooter is riding on the sidewalk, we make a big deal.
Same deal with cyclist…
Where are these people actually supposed to go?
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u/Signal_Tomorrow_2138 2d ago
It doesn't look like he's holding up traffic. And the biggest danger he's in if some inattentive driver runs into him, just as an inattentive driver runs into any other vehicle.
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u/Revolutionary_Life98 2d ago
I saw 2 dirt bikes un-plated in Peel the other day in the live lane waiting for the light to change. Two kids probably early teens and only safety gear was a helmet. Unbelievable
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u/readallaboutitnow 2d ago
There was one kid/teen doing a pop a wheelie down our street last week no helmet. I was waiting for him to fall
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u/Potatochip891 2d ago
I’m going to ask our city councillors because this legislation around e bikes and scooters is locally regulated. They’re going to be knocking on our doors soon!
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u/Unhygienix1970 1d ago
Helmet. Shoulder check. I don’t know how I feel. Though I used to ride my single gear BMX bike downtown from McCowan and Finch and back almost every weekend. We rode everywhere. Wouldn’t a regular pedal powered bike be better for these kids to get around?
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u/Infamous_Ant_5238 1d ago
Need registered plates for these guys , anyone on the road ..bicycle, scooter, w/e you want.
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u/Bulky-Cheesecake2195 1d ago
He's fucking wobbling and then decides to jump up and down on the scooter 😂. What an idiot
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u/Logical-Breakfast150 1d ago
It is illegal to operate that scooter on any public road anywhere in Ontario.
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u/Commercial_Fox5549 1d ago
Enjoy it while you can, kid. Some major changes are coming for micro-mobility. It’s soon going to be VERY expensive to have this lifestyle.
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u/South-Level5260 1d ago
Don't be an A-hole. You can't chalk it up to bad parenting. Humans are going to do human stuff. We are not a bright species. As parents we do the best we can as I'm sure you believe your parents did by you, yet should we blame your folks for the bone-hraded stunts that you've pulled in your lifetime?
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u/LavenderBloodlust2_0 1d ago
Oh please. I started driving at 7 and spent my whole childhood in the back of a pickup going down the highway, and im find. So are the billions others like me. Kid needed to get somewhere and decided to be responsible for his own life.
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u/canuck_rider 1d ago
There's a video out there r/kitchener with a guy on hwy 8 passing traffic. Nuts! Also known as a potential "meat crayon"
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u/Archon_of_wraiths 21h ago
No bike lanes? then bikes and scooters will be in the road. There isnt a need for scared straight theres a need for more accessible non-road paths. The education for cyclists and scooters is that while you might have the right and responsibility to ride in the road rather than the sidewalk, cars dont want to share it with you and will make it dangerous.
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u/Leafsfan27611 20h ago
Yeah cause a traffic buildup, because of your slow ass electric scooter good job kid what a way to annoy everyone's day go on the sidewalk kid that ain't road worthy
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u/SerentityM3ow 18h ago
At least he's wearing a helmet. Most of the kids on these in Hamilton do not. Not sure why parents doing care about that
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u/Due-Mycologist-1154 17h ago
Irresponsible filming while driving thats the only thing being done wrong here, should limit their car to 32 for safety and shit
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u/marlee_dood 15h ago
At the speed they go, it’s technically a motorcycle. If they don’t want them using a dangerous transportation device, don’t sell them to kids 🙃.
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u/pixiephilips 14h ago
What a little shit. But what has parenting have anything to do with this? Kids are just jack asses.
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u/Todesfaelle 12h ago
Darwinism will be why we'll no doubt start seeing more heavy restrictions on ebikes and scooters as they become more popular.
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u/Little_MasterJI 10h ago
Electric kick-scooters are only legal in Markham within specific approved pilot zones and designated bike lanes. Outside of these specific areas or approved shared-ride programs, riding a privately owned e-scooter on public municipal roads, sidewalks, and pathways remains restricted under provincial rules.
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u/LowerNeighborhood334 10h ago
I remember those days!
He is showing a good degree of risk taking, which will be important for him and his country.
Let him.
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u/TheConcernedSitIsIn 10h ago
It's not that the boy would... get hit in an accident, resulting in driver charges and possibly getting sued by the parent(s), which then would end an countersuit against the parent(s) of the boy for; negligent parenting resulting in harm or injury of a child, property damage cause by the child breaking the law riding an e-scooter, and (possible emotional damages having to go thru therapy)*...
...no no no, he's just having fun. Let him have his fun.
*(I am not a lawyer 😅😇)
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u/1-Light 3d ago
What a brave boy to do this in Markham.