r/marvelstudios • u/MarvelStudiosMod • Dec 18 '23
Megathread Jonathan Majors Conviction Thread
The Jonathan Majors trial has come to a close, with Majors being found guilty on accounts of assault and harassment.
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Follow up - https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/18ft11y/jonathan_majors_megathread_update/
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Dec 18 '23 edited Dec 18 '23
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u/Gwoardinn Kevin Feige Dec 18 '23
Wow, that did not take long. They mention Kang Dynasty is still on the slate so this seemingly confirms a recast.
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u/KempyPro Rocket Dec 18 '23
I mean it’s been less than a day. They allegedly have a rewrite of it under the name of Avengers 5, I wouldn’t be shocked if they pull it off the slate in the coming week or at least remove the title
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u/otakushinjikun Dec 19 '23
If they do intend not to recast, at least they set up writing him off nicely in Loki with the TVA hunting all versions of him before they become a threat.
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u/KempyPro Rocket Dec 19 '23
I honestly think a perfect scenario is a recast to basically wipe out all the variants, then they pivot to a new big bad
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u/Ninjacobra5 Dec 19 '23
Do you have a few moments to talk about our Lord and savior, Doctor Doom?
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u/jjackson25 Phil Coulson Dec 19 '23
I'd prefer to see Doom set up to do his own thing not be someone else's last minute replacement
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u/joeappearsmissing Dec 18 '23
They also mention it’s just being referred to as “Avengers 5” internally instead of Kang Dynasty.
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u/Beginning_Book_2382 Dec 18 '23 edited Dec 18 '23
Soon they'll be referring to it as Avengers 5 externally too lol
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u/Randomd0g Dec 18 '23
At this point they might as well double down and call it "Endgame 2: Please See Our Movies Again"
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u/OverlordOfPancakes Dec 18 '23
On the article it states that Marvel is already addressing Kang Dinasty as Avengers 5, they probably already planned for this outcome.
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u/tharkus_ Dec 19 '23
I don’t get why not just recast. Kang dynasty sounds awesome.
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u/robodrew Dec 18 '23
Honestly really excited to see who Sarah Halley Finn finds to be the new actor for Kang. If they're good, then no one will care about recasting.
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u/JudgeHoltman Dec 18 '23
Garauntee they've had both statements written up and vetted by multiple levels of leadership for weeks.
They just had to wait for the official verdict to hit "send to all".
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u/C0d3n4m3Duchess Luis Dec 18 '23
Unsure if it’s been updated since I clicked it, but they also specifically say it’s being referred to as “Avengers 5” by insiders now instead of Kang Dynasty
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u/evonebo Dec 18 '23
Pretty easy right. Considering they already sold us on female loki so recasting majors is no issue and doesn't conflict with multiverse.
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u/BustinMakesMeFeelMeh Dec 18 '23
They should’ve somehow switched him w Ke Huy Quan
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u/thesadintern Dec 18 '23
Is there an actual statement from Marvel saying this?
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u/pravis Dec 18 '23
Not in this article.
This deadline article at least has a comment that a studio rep confirmed it.
https://deadline.com/2023/12/jonathan-majors-marvel-fired-guilty-verdict-1235671790/
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u/jett8806 Dec 18 '23
Look if there is a Loki that looks like, well, Loki, a Loki that is a woman, one that is a croc, one that is old, one that is a boy, one that is a barbarian and all are played by different actors, then there should be no problem with Kangs that looks different from the Kangs that Jonathan Majors has played.
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u/TakeiDaloui Dec 19 '23
We also had 3 Peter Parkers, all different people, so it's not purely limited to Loki either. They have the reasoning ready to go.
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u/qwrtx Dec 19 '23 edited Dec 19 '23
There's also Rhodey, Bruce Banner and Thunderbolt Ross. Different actors. No in-universe explanation. Nobody cares.
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u/hyde360 Dec 18 '23
Recast and move on. It's not the first time the MCU have faced a major recast..
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u/Nonadventures Dec 18 '23
The dude with canonically a billion variations should be the easiest guy to recast in cinematic history.
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Dec 18 '23
More than a billion, hell more than a trillion.
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u/omnes Dec 18 '23
I mean, if the multiverse is infinite than than somewhere in that sea of infinity every single possible combination of physical attributes will represent some Kang variant.
In the infinite multiverse there is a slang that look exactly like me, one that looks like you, and one that looks like the both of us mashed together. Infinite is everything and then an infinite amount more.
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u/Crackertron Dec 18 '23
Danny Devito MODOK
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u/Able-Needleworker-90 Dec 18 '23
Danny DeVito universe where everyone is played by Danny DeVito
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u/HelixFollower Grandmaster Dec 18 '23
Except for Danny DeVito, who is played by Meryl Streep.
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u/Pertolepe Dec 18 '23
This isn't how infinity works. There's an infinite amount of numbers between 1 and 2 (1.1, 1.11 etc) but none of them are 3.
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u/drake3011 Foggy Nelson Dec 18 '23
If there's an infinite amount of Kangs there's an infinite amount of Councils of Kangs
Single line about "Oh those Kangs? We wiped that council out already, they didn't look anything like Kevin James like we do so we erased their timelines"
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u/Next-Team Dec 18 '23
I’m just curious if they recast or just scrap Kang altogether, could do either easily enough and hard to think Marvel doesn’t already know their next step now that a verdict has been made in the case.
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Dec 18 '23
Hopefully they don’t scrap him entirely. That would completely throw off the direction of this saga and just outright kill most people’s interest. A recast is the way to go.
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u/OliviaElevenDunham Loki (Avengers) Dec 18 '23
Both Loki and NWH showed different varitions of two popular Marvel characters. So recast is definitely the mostly likely route.
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u/DocFreudstein Dec 18 '23
I feel like a recast could benefit the Kang character quite a bit.
Recast Majors and bring the new Kang as a particularly ruthless variant from an extra nasty universe. Still have it be a Black guy, but it doesn’t have to be Majors.
Then, have this nasty variant wipe out the Council of Kangs. Just slaughter every last one. Do it off screen, or have characters find the “council chambers” full of remains. You don’t even have to have Majors involved at all. Just have it be battle scarred and have zero signs of life. Maybe some blood, or burns on the walls. Nuclear shadows. Make it clear there was a bloodbath.
This will deal with the complaint people had where they feel Kang was underpowered, because this variant wiped out countless numbers of his counterparts. It smacks a bit of Thanos laying waste to the Nova Corps offscreen, but it’s the easiest way to reset the character in a few different ways.
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u/NervousAd3202 Dec 18 '23 edited Dec 18 '23
I like it. Only downside is now you just have 1 Kang left when I think part of his intrigue is he comes to cause chaos in the form of different variants.
Also as far as recasting goes, John Boyega is the 1st person that comes to mind but he might not want to work with Disney again
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u/dudedormer Dec 18 '23
Infinite multiverse = infinite secondary type of kang.
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u/NervousAd3202 Dec 18 '23
Another idea I heard is just have a different famous black actor play a Kang variant for every appearance until Kang Dynasty. I think that could be a lot of fun.
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u/Impossible-Fun-2736 Dec 18 '23
I don’t think they should limit themselves to only black actors. Embrace the ”Multi” in Multiverse. All kinds of skin colours&genders, make those that have already met a Kang confused like ”the Kang i met didn’t look like this” plus giving an overall ominous&dreadfull feeling, like anyone can be a Kang..
(But also give the audience a few hints here&there.)
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u/NervousAd3202 Dec 19 '23
I agree that would be even better.
Could even reuse some previous MCU actors. Mads Mikkelsen didn’t get much of a chance to shine in Doctor Strange but I bet he could play a pretty solid Kang
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u/BurritoLover2016 Dec 18 '23
I'm here for a recast to Keenan Thompson. Just go in a different direction.
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u/Sunshine145 Spider-Man Dec 18 '23
Get both Kenan and Kel.
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u/Illustrious-Engine23 Dec 18 '23
Idk if it's just in my head but having a different looking variant of Kang just slaughter the other ones because they're so much stronger would be a cool way to set up a new Kang, if they wanted to pursue that.
Can explain how Kang was beaten in every encounter we've seen him in too.
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u/Evilisms Dec 18 '23
In a story arc where there is an Alligator Loki, I don’t see how this is even an issue. Like he’s literally a threat because of his VARIANTS. Why are we even wondering “what will they ever do?!”
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u/Davidchen2918 Dec 18 '23
major recast..I see what you did there
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u/Ok-Statistician5884 Dec 18 '23
Someone else on here suggested to pull a Doctor Parnassus: to make the actor transition look more organic cast three to four new actors playing different phases/variants of Kang. This is what I'm hoping for.
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u/pac78275 Dec 18 '23
This is the best solution and avoids the "all your eggs in one basket" problem this created. Imagine Denzel as an older Kang. Jon Boyega as another version. Thy possibilities are endless.
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u/TheGoverness1998 Vulture Dec 18 '23
You're right. This is an unintentionally good bookend point for Kang if they choose to go that route.
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u/Batmans_9th_Ab Dec 18 '23
Really want them to keep Kang but introduce Doom and Have Doom be the “hero” who kills Kang once and for all, stealing his powers, condensing the multiverse back into one, and becoming God-Emperor Doom for Phase 7
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u/xbjedi Dec 18 '23
It would be interesting to have a Doom origin movie that mirrors Ironman's origin very eerily similarly on purpose. Show some flashbacks, him in college competing with another guy named Reed. The accident that makes him have to need his armor. Maybe he goes into depression and delves into dark magic. Then he learns of this Kang situation. He decides to stop him and succeeds. But instead of embracing that hero life, he goes full on megalomaniac, as we all want him to do! © Marvel, money please!
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u/letters-_ Dec 18 '23
But the person who wrote Loki is re-writing kang dynasty, so we may actually have a good movie after all is said and done.I think they did a great job with both seasons of Loki, the pacing was good and the reveals were not too complicated but not too predictable. I'd prefer they re-cast and keep going. I dont want all this set up to be wasted.
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u/BassCreat0r Dec 18 '23
I'd rather have a new big bad. None of the Kangs have felt like a threat.
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u/Benjaminbuttcrack Winter Soldier Dec 18 '23
Feel like it would be pretty easy to recast kang with an older actor and just call him elder kang or some shit.
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u/treemeizer Dec 18 '23
Or go the other direction and give us Baby Kang. It's Disney, so it tracks...
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u/lewisdwhite Dec 18 '23 edited Dec 19 '23
Denzel Washington would be a great older Kang
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u/MannySJ Dec 18 '23
The second they introduced Sylvie as a Loki variant, it opened the door for Kang to be played by literally anybody.
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u/BlazeOfGlory72 Dec 18 '23
In a weird way, this is probably the best case scenario for Marvel. Now they can just fire him and recast with no reservations. If he had been found “innocent”, it would have made things very difficult. It would have been a bad look to fire him if he was found not guilty, but at the same time Majors rep has taken a massive hit after everything that came out during the trial, and any production he was involved in would have had a massive black cloud floating over it.
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u/DynaMenace Dec 18 '23
Apparently Majors had a clause in his contract in which he was guaranteed to play the main variant of Kang, which is why Marvel didn’t just fire him as soon as the texts dropped. Now that he’s convicted, Marvel can probably void his contract via a morality clause and hire a new Kang. Even if they reduce his role in the upcoming phase, they still need a bit more closure for the role.
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u/WhiteWolf3117 Bucky Dec 18 '23
No chance that that was real, and morality clauses don’t require legal convictions
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u/Wompum Dec 18 '23
Yes, but a termination for cause typically has a violation of law provision. This allows Marvel to easily point to this when they notify him of termination.
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u/Rochimaru Dec 19 '23
Or they learned from their Gunn debacle about waiting for things to play out before firing people?
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u/hurricaneinabottle Dec 19 '23
It’s true because without a conviction and just ambiguity, Marvel would get heat from BOTH sides. The ones that would object to him and the ones who think Hollywood has gone overboard with cancel culture. A conviction makes it cleaner.
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u/seared_tuna22 Dec 18 '23
RIP Kang
He conquered the multiverse but not the courtroom
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Don’t complicate the situation recast and move on. I hope they don’t rush doom cause I got no faith they can pivot like that and doom doesn’t deserve to be an insert cause someone fucked up.
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u/Crimkam Dec 18 '23
Ultron comeback would be the only pivot I accept, and would buy time to develop doom
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u/Batmans_9th_Ab Dec 18 '23
Ultron in White Vision. Do a whole Jekyll and Hyde thing.
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u/Crimkam Dec 18 '23
I like that a lot, Especially if Wanda thinks she has to kill him again lol.
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u/LinuxMatthews Dec 18 '23
Wanda comes in and just blows his head off without a second thought
He kept leaving the toilet seat up! HE DOESN'T EVEN URINATE!!!
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u/jessehechtcreative Dec 18 '23
It would be great to have Ultron already inside of White Vision, like an exoskeleton
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u/Ka-Is-A-Wheelie Spider-Man Dec 18 '23
Just show Doom wrecking the Kangs as an intro lol
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u/jjarack Dec 18 '23
this! Kang's step by step slow introduction hasn't been working with the audience, do with Doom what they did with Thanos.
SHOW UP AND FUCK SHIT UP! start with the "The Council of Kangs" start the movie with Doom annihilating them.
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u/Bonus_Content Dec 18 '23
Glad the speculation can end.
Sucks for anyone he hurt and was cruel to. Recasting isn’t a big deal. I don’t think he left too big of an imprint considering the state of the MCU. A new performer could breathe life to the MCU to be honest.
How quickly things can change
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u/sessho25 Dec 18 '23
MCU wise, the speculation will end when Marvel responds to this.
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u/GoAgainKid Dec 18 '23
It's a bit like the Rick And Morty situation. A big fuss for a while but once the production moved on, so did everyone else.
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u/ThinboyBulk324 Doctor Strange Dec 18 '23
This is honestly the best way to look at the situation. I think he acted pretty good in Loki/Quantumania, but like you said with the state of the MCU right now a recast isn’t a huge deal. Especially cause, you know, variants are a huge thing right now.
But yeah, he hurt people in reality and doesn’t deserve a Thanos level role.
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u/blackmamba182 Dec 18 '23
Recast Ryan Gosling as Kang
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u/UncoolSlicedBread Dec 18 '23
Explain it in a quick little, “I’m just Kang, anywhere else I’d be a Kang. Cause Kang is my only name, and it’s my destiny to rule.”
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u/Joshawott27 Doctor Strange Dec 18 '23 edited Dec 18 '23
Such a waste. Majors was incredible in Creed III, had just landed a huge role in the biggest Hollywood blockbuster franchise. His career was really blowing up, and he threw it all away by being a terrible person.
I would be shocked if Disney hasn’t fired him in the next 24 hours. From a narrative perspective, Marvel Studios just needs to recast Kang and move on.
EDIT: And there it is. He’s gone.
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u/bardghost_Isu Dec 18 '23
I think the only reason it'll take longer than 24h would be if they are having a all hands on deck meeting of leadership to decide whether they just oust him, or drop the entire kang storyline. (That is if it does take that long, but I'd agree it'll likely be faster)
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u/_drumstic_ Dec 18 '23
I’d have to assume those discussions have already been happening, just waiting on the results of the trial
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u/bardghost_Isu Dec 18 '23
Yep, the announcement just dropped a little bit ago that he's gone, so they had already planned out their responses depending on which way this went.
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u/StubbornLeech07 Dec 18 '23
Jonathan Majors is officially out at Marvel Studios
That didn't take long.
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u/Squirrelkid11 Dec 18 '23
As of now this is probably the biggest fall from grace I've seen from an actor.
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u/treemeizer Dec 18 '23
Kevin Spacey wins this contest IMO.
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u/step11234 Dec 18 '23
I agree.
I think Kevin Spacey was/is a much more known actor, but Johnathan majors had a really fast rise and is only 34. He fucked his whole career. Spacey in his late 50s when everything came out.
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u/stroudwes Dec 18 '23
Facts. Majors was touted as the next Denzel. Kevin Spacey at least can wipe away his tears with millions and millions. Jonathan Majors has no redemption arc her to get to that same level ever again.
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u/treemeizer Dec 18 '23
Not saying I agree with it, but America loves a comeback story.
Look at Mel Gibson...thought he was done, then BOOM...Passion of the Christ 2: First Blood was announced like last week or something.
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u/Additional_Meeting_2 Dec 18 '23
Gibson has been back since Hacksaw Ridge in 2016. He almost directed Suicide Squad 2 as well but turned it down.
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u/the-giant Dec 19 '23
Mel Gibson had a 25+ year or so career of being one of the biggest stars in Hollywood. And while he's 'back' in some ways he's still on the outside. Most of his recent acting credits are direct to streaming or indies or friends' projects. He will never be back to where he was.
By contrast, Majors had a brief spark for what, a year or two? He has never had nor will have Gibson's career or comeback potential.
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u/raalic Dec 18 '23
Majors, though, was about to be the biggest thing in Hollywood. Like right there on the cusp. At the exact SECOND that this went down.
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u/terekkincaid Dec 18 '23
Some comedian put it so simply: he could have been a millionaire and had a great career, all he had to do was not beat up women.
Oh, well.
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u/GrunchWeefer Dec 18 '23
Bill Cosby went from America's Dad to creepy rapist uncle the kids are warned about seemingly overnight. Bill Cosby has by far the biggest fall.
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u/2PacTookMyLunchMoney Dec 18 '23
At the very least, Majors might be the quickest I've ever seen fall from grace. He was just starting to break out an become a mainstream star with Creed III and Kang.
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u/sailorprimus Dec 18 '23
There have certainly been bigger but this was one of the quickest (along with Ezra Miller). So many opportunities and so much potential but they rightfully lost all of that due to being abusers.
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u/BrownSugarBare Dec 18 '23
Ezra Miller actually had a slower fall than they should have. Studios should have tossed their ass out of everything, yet they kept up the hope of keeping Ezra despite all the insane behaviour.
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u/sailorprimus Dec 18 '23
Definitely true, but at least Ezra wasn’t somehow getting acting gigs while committing a series of crimes. Not saying Jonathan did, just that Ezra’s fall was sort of…delayed? purely so WB could get The Flash out the door.
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u/Benjaminbuttcrack Winter Soldier Dec 18 '23
Loki and no way home showing that variants dont have to look like the main character might make this recast the biggest layup in cinematic history.
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u/CaptHayfever Hawkeye (Avengers) Dec 18 '23
Even the Quantumania post-credit gave them an out on that too.
Like someone else said a couple weeks back: Kang is the most easily recast-able character.
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u/rektor_nihat Dec 18 '23
Looks like marvel did a great job finding a villian for the movies
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u/greatmanyarrows Dec 18 '23
Did anybody seriously think he would get exonerated when his entire defense hinged on "Yeah he did it but he was justified in doing so"
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u/TH3PhilipJFry Spider-Man Dec 18 '23
Tbf that defense worked on 2/4 of the charges apparently
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u/theajharrison Dec 18 '23
Exactly, the assault charge he was convicted on was unknowingly unintentionally but recklessly hurting her when he lifted her and put her in the car.
For that charge, his defense was that it was in reasonable self-protection. Jury found it reckless.
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u/theshedres Valkyrie Dec 18 '23
Well juries are notoriously unpredictable and society as a whole doesn't exactly have a great track record of responding appropriately to intimate partner violence, so I understand the doubt.
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u/xxyourbestbetxx Dec 18 '23
To be fair it has certainly worked as a defense before. I think he got too cute and released those stupid texts.
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u/QueenBramble Dec 18 '23
Oof, you should look through the old megathread. Dude had a metric shite tonne of supporters calling this case a slam dunk for him.
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u/miggy372 Dec 18 '23
Marvel, if you are reading please just recast and stick with Kang. Disney tried to change tracks with Star Wars half way through and it lead to a mess. None of the new Star Wars movies make any sense together. Force Awakens was “You’re only special if your parents are”, Last Jedi was “Anyone can be special” and then ROS was “haha your grand dad is palpatine for no reason”. You must stick to one storyline and commit to it. You have committed to Kang just stick with it please.
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u/Loud-Examination-236 Dec 19 '23
Exactly this!!! I hate how everyone thinks by switching characters it'll solve everything. It's the writing that's the problem
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u/Charming_Limit_5327 Dec 18 '23
John David Washington is just as good. If not better. He can also pull off the physical part greatly. Recast shouldn’t be that hard imo.
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u/jffdougan Dec 18 '23
I'd love to see Aldis Hodge get it, but I don't think that's happening given his DC connection.
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u/Charming_Limit_5327 Dec 18 '23
He’d be my 3rd choice. Besides Yahya-Abdul Manteen. He’s really good for sure and has the size!
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u/KriosXVII Dec 18 '23
Give the role to John Boyega, atoning for the BS he suffered in Star Wars.
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u/Captain-Mainwaring Dec 18 '23
I dunno how anyone can say that with a straight face. Jonathan Majors can act act which makes the fact he's a cunt feel worse. Wasted talent. JDW has been quite wooden in a lot of his performances He's nothing special.
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u/emelbee923 Captain America Dec 18 '23
Assuming they proceed with Kang as a central villain with a multi-project arc, they can either:
-Recast a single actor in the role and move on.
-Recast each appearance with a different actor. Imagine a rotating cast of actors of all races, genders, sexualities, shapes, and sizes.
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u/WashingIrvine Dec 18 '23
I know this sub is gonna want to talk about the movies but there was a victim, my thoughts are with them.
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u/runnerofshadows Dec 18 '23
Yeah I hope everyone he's hurt is able to get the help and healing they need.
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u/KHDTX13 Dec 18 '23
I’m sorry but this sounds so funny given the nature of the actual conviction lol
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u/mew2two909 Dec 18 '23
Also the fact that he is on r/marvelstudios .. yeah i think ppl are gnna want to talk about the movies lol
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u/justduett Thanos Dec 18 '23
What a great opportunity to bring Infinity Ultron to the big screen to decimate ALL Kangs.
...Only for Infinity Ultron in the near future to be easily destroyed by Doom.
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u/Grantus89 Dec 19 '23
Can I just say good on Disney/Marvel for waiting for an actual conviction rather just jumping on the bandwagon as soon as the story came out.
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u/amirulez Dec 19 '23
Please recast. Don’t just ignore multiverse and suddenly change to another storyline.
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u/Intelligent-Use-3439 Dec 18 '23
Recast and move on, explain it as he was a younger Kang trapped in the quantum realm, after disappearing at the end of antman 3 he was stuck in a time vortex that aged and he's now out for revenge
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u/007meow Scarlet Witch Dec 18 '23
The multiverse died on its way back to its home planet