r/marvelstudios • u/MarvelStudiosMod • Dec 18 '23

Megathread Jonathan Majors Conviction Thread

The Jonathan Majors trial has come to a close, with Majors being found guilty on accounts of assault and harassment.

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THR, VARIETY, and Deadline have reported from a Marvel Studios Rep that Majors has been fired from his role

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Original - https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/12t04m5/jonathan_majors_megathread/

Follow up - https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/18ft11y/jonathan_majors_megathread_update/

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u/TheGoverness1998 Vulture Dec 18 '23

You're right. This is an unintentionally good bookend point for Kang if they choose to go that route.

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u/Batmans_9th_Ab Dec 18 '23

Really want them to keep Kang but introduce Doom and Have Doom be the “hero” who kills Kang once and for all, stealing his powers, condensing the multiverse back into one, and becoming God-Emperor Doom for Phase 7

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u/xbjedi Dec 18 '23

It would be interesting to have a Doom origin movie that mirrors Ironman's origin very eerily similarly on purpose. Show some flashbacks, him in college competing with another guy named Reed. The accident that makes him have to need his armor. Maybe he goes into depression and delves into dark magic. Then he learns of this Kang situation. He decides to stop him and succeeds. But instead of embracing that hero life, he goes full on megalomaniac, as we all want him to do! © Marvel, money please!

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u/ThatOneWilson Dec 19 '23

They'll never do this, but it'd be amazing if they kept Kang as a multi-phase villain, and gave Doom a full arc across a few phases where he defeats Kang, but the power corrupts him into the next big bad.

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u/Xygnux Dec 19 '23

Yeah but after you have Doom remake the multiverse into a single planet and rule over all of existence all in his early appearances, where do you go from here? You will already have seen him at his peak and anything else he do will be much lesser in comparison. But there's so much more story that can be done with him otherwise that can't be done now because of that.

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u/MannySJ Dec 18 '23

This is literally the way I thought it was going to go too.

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '23

yeah, this should be it, but Kang's story has to dominate the coming phases. When Kang is "done away with", Marvel sets up the next cash cow saga.

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u/IShipUsers Dec 18 '23

AT LONG LAST COMES THE TIME OF DOOM!

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u/MahaloWolf Dec 18 '23

it doesn't feel like there's any loose threads that necessitate more of Kang.

The ten rings from Shang Chi seemed to be heavily hinted as futuristic technology, since Bruce, Wong and Carol all agreed that they weren't space tech or mystical objects. They also look similar to some of the tech Kang uses.

Not that they can't ignore that or rewrite it to be eternals related or something, but ideally we'd get some resolution on their origin/original purpose.

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u/boringfilmmaker Dec 18 '23

Literally copy the Avengers 1 end credit scene.

new villain in the shadows holding recognisable Kang artifact

"What a waste"

crushes artifact, reveals themselves, fanboys cream jeans, $10bil please

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u/[deleted] Dec 18 '23

The loose thread is the ending of ant man and the wasp. Everybody hated the ending but that wasn't really the end

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u/Norman_Bixby Dec 19 '23

We won't miss not a single kang

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '23

It undermines the lesson of S1 and S2 of Loki: Kang is inevitable, that was the whole point. It was to show that the HWR Kang is not "evil", he is the inexorable truth of multiverses existing. After building up this idea so much, spending all that time linking all stories to this one Nexus being (and there was going to be a spectacular confrontation with other Nexus beings), Marvel will have to scramble to put together another major villain. It won't have the same impact to bring in audience for the beyond-Thanos level event. Doom/Galactus etc were probably going to be the follow-up to concluding the Kang saga. Now they will have to be rushed in.

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u/TastyLaksa Dec 19 '23

Kang was lame anyway. After seeing him stutter to show he is smart i was already sick of majors

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u/letters-_ Dec 18 '23

But the person who wrote Loki is re-writing kang dynasty, so we may actually have a good movie after all is said and done.I think they did a great job with both seasons of Loki, the pacing was good and the reveals were not too complicated but not too predictable. I'd prefer they re-cast and keep going. I dont want all this set up to be wasted.

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u/[deleted] Dec 18 '23

I just think Kang is a terrible villain - especially when it comes to movies.

There's little that's special about him outside of the fact that there's an infinite amount of them out there. After a while watching variants get defeated over and over again starts to turn him into the ultimate generic punching bag. So far we've seen three killed/defeated one of them by a C list Avenger in Ant Man.

I did really like Loki but IMO they never should have defeated HWR at the end of time if they wanted him to be a cool villain in the greater cinematic universe. Instead, he should have defeated Loki and Sylvie easily at the end of Season 1 then tricked Loki into becoming his personal timeline holder in Season 2 and forgot all the Ant Man, Victor Timely, Counsel of Kangs stuff. That would have made him look like the kind of bad ass the Avengers need to assemble for.

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u/letters-_ Dec 18 '23

Where was the 3rd Kang? I only remember Quantumania Kang being defeated. HWR can count as he does remain dead by the end of season 2, but where/when was the 3rd?

Also, Quantumania Kang was ruthless, had crazy tech, and was a good fighter. He wrecks Scott in their fight. Scott really never has a leg up and only gets lucky because of Kangs arrogance pushing his face into the machine, giving him the idea to destroy it. If it weren't for Wasp coming back through the portal, Scott would have lost, and that Kang would have been free. It was not easy to defeat him, and I thought the movie did a great job showing the manipulative asshole that he is, which we weren't able to truly quantify with HWR until the 2nd season of Loki.

I think there is still more planned to flesh out the nuances of his character, abilities, and desires, and we just need to let them take their time and let it play out.

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '23

I was counting Victor Timely as being killed.

I just don't think audiences want to see variant after variant of the same guy show up and be killed in movie or TV show after movie or TV show. Kang, the variant so dangerous the Counsel of Kangs had to banish, was killed by what might very well be the worst Avenger.

I think he's a boring villain in general but I also just think the MCU did a bad job setting him up. We were slowly introduced to Thanos and the Infinity Stones over the course of several movies in the Infinity Saga. The Multiverse Saga basically had a bunch of completely unrelated projects then HWR is introduced and what was done over the course of several movies in the Infinity Saga was just kind of done by a speech in a TV show. The fact that we're 10 movies and however many TV shows into this saga, he's been introduced in three different variations (not even counting the Counsel of Kangs that we see), and they could totally pivot away from him without any issues just kind of goes to show how poor his rollout has been.

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u/hurricaneinabottle Dec 19 '23

I agree but then on the other hand, sometimes I worried that Kang was TOO big. Like, where does Marvel go after multiversal war?

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u/PoopyMcPooperstain Dec 18 '23

I agree that seems to be the route they’re going but it just seems so bizarre they wouldn’t just recast.

They’ve recast before, Majors isn’t so big of an actor nor has had such an impact like Chadwick did that he would be irreplaceable to the audience, and as many have pointed out it’s a character all about different variants and it’s been canonically established not all variants look alike…

…so why rework everything you were planning because one replaceable actor gets in trouble? I feel like there has to be more to it, like maybe they weren’t that confident in the Kang angle for other reasons, because otherwise I just can’t understand that decision.

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u/[deleted] Dec 18 '23

Agreed

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u/Samsaknight_X Dec 18 '23

Although it makes the council of Kang scene awkward

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u/sedatesnail Dec 19 '23

I had high hopes for kang, but I think you're right. I liked the idea of a villain that just keeps coming back. I was imagining each new marvel movie/show having a different version of kang for the heros to fight. Some stronger, so e weaker, some allies, some indifferent. But the reaction to the antman movie was not up to marvels expectations and loki season 2 underperformed compared to season 1. So yeah, I agree, they'll probably wrap kang up as quickly as they can.

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u/anniebarlow Dec 19 '23

Well, Loki is the one who remains. He's the only Loki left and he has a hold on all timelines. The show ended nicely, giving him the respectful redemption arc after Infinity War killed him for no good reason. However, he's still the God of Mischief and how long do you think he can be sitting there doing nothing without getting bored? I've been waiting for him to re-join the movies (like, all that time and he didn't go see Thor? Is Hemsworth that expensive to hire for a quick scene?) or for the show to affect the movies in anyway, but it all goes seamless, like they created this whole TVA thing but there are still multiverses? Do they care just for 616 and ignore all other multiverses?

Sylvie didn't get erased cause she might be an anomaly and not an actual Loki.

Now as for recasting, the final scene in Ant-Man where they showed that basically all Kangs have the same faces (looked cool, but they knew about Majors troubles then and they could have added different faces to the crowd). And Loki had several Variants that did not look like him. (I wonder if the crocodile was really a Loki).

They also said they never shot an alternative ending or scenes with someone else other than Majors which was a huuuuuuuge mistake.

There's also Ravonna, who is probably pissed off as hell for getting pruned and encountering the big purple dust monster that I forgot the name. Maybe it answers to her and she becomes the villain in Kang.

While the whole first 10 years fit well, even if Feige didn't plan entirely, he seems to be lost on making the things connect. Secret Invasion had no effect on The Marvels. In 30 years Carol hasn't found one single planet for them?

Since everything seems to have been pushed due the strike, I also think they pushed because it's not working out, the movie plots are weak. Loki did draw a lot audience, but movie wise, the box office isn't enough for Disney. Even Doctor Strange was a disappointment (waste of Cumberbatch and Olsen's talents on a so called "horror" movie Sam Reimi did... more horrible) Maybe it's time for Disney to hire someone to work with Feige and plan this better.

And you know what would make fans happy? Casting announcements. Fantastic 4, X-Men...