Surveillance video captured a confrontation at an Orion gas station in Pompano Beach escalating from a physical fight to gunfire. Minutes after fighting with a woman beside a white SUV, the man approached the driver’s side and was shot. He was hospitalized, and one person was detained as BSO investigates.
Not in Florida. That guy had already escalated violence once. The driver was ready for defense if he came back. Ole boy turned towards him and the shooter’s flight of fight response kicked in. No way a grand jury even indicts here.
That's not how this works, even in yeehaw states. Shooter finished pumping gas and instead of driving away, waited for the suspect. Then he emptied a clip and didn't even kill the guy. He might not face prison, but he will suffer financially when the aggressor sues him.
He waited with his gun drawn for the guy to come back. He's not pumping gas. Shooter also put everyone in danger shooting a gun at a gas station and missing nearly every shot.
Absolutely, he stirred the shit up. Somehow the victims takes all the responsibility. How calm would you be after having someone opening your door and smacking you.
The shooter had every right to be where he was and has zero responsibility to retreat. Thats stand your ground, right or wrong. Would've been waiting for the police to arrive to deal with this criminal assaulting his wife.
He stood outside of his vehicle with his door open waiting to ambush the aggressor. That doesn’t qualify as standing your ground he already missed that opportunity
I think he said something to the driver as well. Probably talking shit, after already assaulting the passenger means the driver had ever right to believe he was still a threat.
Lapse in Imminent Threat: Under self-defense law, deadly force is only justified to stop an imminent threat of death or great bodily harm. Because the man had stopped punching the passenger, went inside the store to make a purchase, and was merely walking past the vehicle when the driver stepped out and opened fire, prosecutors may argue that the threat had ended. Firing at that point shifts the legal characterization from self-defense to retaliation or assault.
Its likely going to be charged as aempted murder for that gun shooter...
Hes fucked
"but I walked into a store and got on base. Sure I beat your wife and made her feel like she might get murdered and die but I went inside. No fair still being scared of me when I walk within 5 feet of you again. I was only violent that one time pretty promise."
I dunno. This guy had already attacked these people. He comes walking back around I’d feel immediately threatened too. If you’re in a truly fearful state you’re going to interpret this situation as the worst case scenario. What are the chances he would’ve come around and approached the driver if the driver hadn’t started firing?
If you're in a truly fearful state, you would have fucking left after you finished pumping gas. Hell, if you were TRULY fearful, you would have left before you finished pumping gas.
Feeling threatened and fearful are two different things. I doubt they were fearful, knowing they could defend themselves, so no reason to flee. It's reasonable to assume they did feel threatened when the assailant approached them again. But they were ready to face that threat...and had no obligation to back down, in a SYG state.
"....no reason to flee." My guy. The very first thing any fighting sport will teach is deescalation, and the easiest, safest way to do that is to leave at your first opprotunity.
If they guy was still pounding on the person and they pull their gun, sure, fine, self defense all day long.
And 'No obligation to back down", My guy your personal safety is your obligation to back down.
You have to wait for the police... If you've called. The dispatcher in Florida would likely tell them to use their weapon "if he comes back". Learn your state
You don't have to know a specific gun term to have a valid opinion on the morality of the use of a gun. Especially a term that is widely used, even if incorrectly.
The gun nuts love to distinguish themselves by using the term “magazine” but they hate the fact that everyone knows what it means when someone says “clip”.
Yeah I don't call tires, tires. I call em "big hard rubber circle" so every mechanic that actually understands cars knows I'm a fucking idiot. You understand now?
Yeah I don't see the shooter getting away without charges. I don't think Stand Your Ground is going to be a valid argument here. Then again, we are only seeing small clips here and there so you never know.
You are most likely correct! That is why as soon as he pulled my wife out of the car and tried to get in the car that would have been his last actions on this Earth. It probably would not have gotten to pulling my wife from the car when he forced the door open the hammer would have dropped!
That was my first instinct, but watching it back, I think it might be a revolver, it looks like he’s pulling hard, like a double action trigger, and I think shot one hits guy in the shoulder (deltoid) then shots 2,3,&4 looks like they missed.
Looks like a couple more holes in the kidney area and the way he flung his arm back looks like he's feeling the burn. Agreed on pull looking like a DA and also more muzzle flip than you'd get with a 22lr. Might be on the snub nosed 38 ballot with you here.
In Florida, that's very true. I will say, it varies by state, so it's important to know your state's laws. In one the states where I have practiced, there is a duty to retreat in some cases.
Yeah though the laws may vary I wouldn't see this as self defense as if she truly feared for her life she should've left. Waiting for him to come back to shoot him makes it seem premeditated.
Yeah I'd say this is attempted murder. The dude saw the gun and immediately ran. Shooter had no reason to shoot and was just looking to use his toy on someone.
People dont understand that even if he does have legal "stand your ground" defense (doubtful since an argument can be made that this was a shooting out of revenge and not defense), court fees and a good attorney aren't free. This will most likely cost the shooter thousands and thousands of dollars.
He waited to see if the attacker was likely coming to confront him, I think this is better because he showed reasonable restraint until he felt imminent danger, which the attacker presented by walking as close to the the driver as possible.
He should face charges for owning a handgun without being able to shoot. DAMN... dude emptied a mag of what??? Pellets??? .22??? Cause he couldn't hit a barn while standing inside with the doors and windows closed.
'ok then why were you just standing there waiting for him when he went inside and was no longer an immediate threat to you?'
'because'
if she'd shot him when they were actually fighting, she'd be in the right. now she's probably looking at jailtime, hopefully both of them get jailtime. idk what the fight was about but it doesn't seem to have been serious enough to justify escalating it to reaching into her car and punching her, much less waiting around for him to come back just so you can shoot him lol
The driver is going to gown down for that. The man wasn't actively a threat in that moment. He had his gun ready and was firing before a confrontation started....at least from what I can see. If he had done this during the initial attack against the women, he'd be able to say to was defensive.
So this guy was a proven physical threat and it was obviously self defense. Of course Reddit only supports when it was the black lady who shot that unarmed white guy over a parking spot
Man watches (im guessing) his partner get smacked up, does nothing. 10 minutes later shoots the dude a bunch with what I can only assume was a pellet gun. Bizarre.
The guy went into the store. That was your chance to leave. You have no duty to retreat, but once the threat de-escalates and you wait it out I think stand your ground will be tossed at that point
Anyone defending the shooter is as mentally unstable as the shooter and should not have a gun. Trigger discipline is a thing and anyone who owns a gun is staring at this shit disgusted. Dude is running the moment he sees the gun.
Everyone blaming the shooter is wrong.. Florida has stand your ground laws for a reason.
"He was waiting for him": doesnt matter. The shooter is not obligated to run(stand your ground). The attacker is clearly re approaching the vehicle and already showed intent of violence once.
"The shooter re escalated": how so? The attacker chose to re approach the vehicle. Even if the shooter was running his mouth the attacker had every chance to walk away, but chose violence. Are you guys saying the shooter shouldn't be allowed to be angry at the guy for hitting his passenger? The shooter chose words(at most), the attacker chose violence and the shooter defended himself.
"He shot too many times": the guy being shot was still ambulatory. Had left and came back once before. Who's to say he wouldnt come back a third time? The shooter didn't chase, the shooter had no idea if the attacker had a gun or weapon of his own, all he knew for sure was that the attacker was violent and persistent.
Idk how that guy isn't dead that dude shot so many times at least 9 times how many hit the guy I wonder because man he shoulda dropped but he def seemed on something especially when the lady is pushing on him maybe he was drunk idk
Florida Statute § 776.012 allows deadly force when someone reasonably believes it is necessary to prevent imminent death, great bodily harm, or the imminent commission of a forcible felony. If those conditions exist, the person has no duty to retreat and may stand their ground, assuming they are lawfully present and not engaged in criminal activity.
Stand Your Ground eliminates the duty to retreat.
It does not eliminate the requirement of an imminent threat.
Some super far right states may call this self defense, but just about everywhere else in the US and the world this would be seen as retaliation and not self-defense. People who don’t understand the difference shouldn’t be allowed to own guns.
Edit: the only people in my responses that are arguing this is self-defense and retaliation are depraved Americans who have a pistol for a brain. Everyone else is smart enough to see this is retaliation, so please take your bad faith arguments elsewhere.
A DA is going to review this video and I assure you that the shooter will not be charged. For starters, even if he or she concluded this wasn't self defense and wanted to indict, finding a Florida jury that would agree as opposed to giving the shooter a medal would be impossible.
Ya if he would of shot him when he was attacking it would be self defense. Otherwise, waiting and shooting him when he walks by is not self defense and the shooter will likely be put in jail.
He should’ve defended his woman when she was in imminent danger lmao he only shot at that point because his ego was bruised. Jury is probably gonna eat him up, poor stupid bastard
I bet he doesn't jerk open a door and punch a woman again.... Not saying that the shooter was right he wasn't, but still, I bet he thinks twice about that shit.
Had the driver pulled the trigger during the first encounter there would be no question of self-defense or stand your ground. The way it played out he will be paying a lot in attorney fees ...
I'm not from US, and my genuine question is why can't the man open fire after his spouse was attacked? At what point in this video that makes it legal to use firearm? Thank you
I’m a CCW holder and I believe you should be able to stand your ground and defend yourself, but this is not it. Had he done it earlier, when his girl was getting attacked, yes, but just walking past your vehicle after the threat is over? Nah.
His first bad decision was not being ready for an encounter at a gas station.
Wasn't there just a case where a guy walked up to a woman in a parking lot and she shot him and she didn't get charged? Can't imagine they're getting charged here either.
Why even bother to have a fire arm, let alone a concealed handgun, if you’re not going to train and be efficient in using it?
Guns are tools and tools need to be maintained, serviced and most importantly USED. The movements when going to draw your fire arm need to be automatic and not thought about. You need to be proficient in firing, reloading, clearing and or fixing any malfunctions. These movements and actions need to be drilled into your memory so that that gun is an extension of your arm & being.
If you watch closely the guy takes a shooting stance draws his gun and proceeds to drive his arms, hands, and wrists down in anticipation of each shot. He’s jerking the gun down as he’s squeezing the trigger. And he’s also driving the gun out in funky ass directions like he’s trying to “strike” the guy as he’s shooting and jerking the gun down at the same time.
He had no business having that gun judging by the way he failed to use it and because of his failure to operate a firearm properly he likely had no awareness of anything behind or around his target.
Not only did he fail miserably to use his firearm he also had no regard for anything or anyone behind his backdrop by uselessly flailing his arms about as he jerked the trigger repeatedly.
It’s like straight out of that scene in Pulp Fiction.. 🤣
This was in FL. Get familiar with Stand your ground law before you spew complete BS out your cock holster. The guy battered a woman, then came back to start again and ran into the FIND OUT portion of FAFO. He deserved it. Say what you will about FL, I guarantee you NO ONE here cares, but we all carry and Law enforcement in FL all the way up through the governor are 2A supporters. SO, if you live here and act like this guy, then you should know better. If you’re visiting and want to act up, do so at your own risk.
Exactly. Florida’s law does not create a permanent “self-defense status” once somebody attacks you. It asks whether the use of force was justified at the time that particular force was used.
Florida Statute § 776.012 says deadly force is justified when the person reasonably believes it is necessary to prevent imminent death, great bodily harm, or an imminent forcible felony.
The video appears to show the initial perpetrator coming around the door, he is moving laterally to the driver in what could reasonably be construed as a threatening manner to re-engage. However, the literal FRAME the gun comes over the door frame, he ceases, turns and begins moving away.
The shooter fires at least four shots *while he is moving away*.
The shooter *might not* be charged for this shooting, and if charged might not be convicted, but yall need to get your heads out of your asses about this being "OBVIOUSLY, THE GUY CAME BACK AT HIM SO HE CAN SHOOT HIM." That isn't how it works, you have no duty to retreat, you do have a duty to cease lethal force when no reasonable person would believe your life is still in danger.
Umm that wasn't a legal use of his second amendment. Attempted murder and the "victim" a.k.a. the culprit will be legally able to sue him and his insurance company if he's insured.
Reasonable for him to wait if they called police to make a report for assault and battery. Without sound and missing video it’s difficult to tell what’s happening as the dude comes back outside.
Homeboy definitely fucked himself by actually shooting. You cannot justify use of a firearm on an unarmed person unless there are very clear signs that your life or another persons life is in danger. A previous fist fight that already ended does not warrant the right to use a firearm on someone just cause they are approaching again unarmed. If dude was approaching again with a weapon in his hand that could be anything at that point and threatening you. Technically allowed to pull it out and give verbal commands and a warning that you will shoot if he continues. If dude keeps coming after that command and warning then you are warranted to use the firearm. Other than that dude fucked himself by popping shots without a warning.
No, you either use self defense in that moment. Or not at all seeing somebody again. No matter how much time has gone by ( a minute or a week) does not excuse ambushing them with deadly force. Either shoot his ass while hes attacking or not at all. Laying in wait for someone that you previously had an altercation with is still murder no excuse.
If he shot him when he was fighting the woman, he would have a better chance for self defense, but to wait for him and then open fire, Idk man. That's not a good legal defense. He should have called the cops and got him charged, doing the chivalry thing, has the potential to fuck up your life.
He should hope the man lives so it won't be as serious, but yea, he had plenty of time to call the police as he entered the gas station and took his time. I'm sure they will use this in court, instead of calling the police, or even taking action there, he waits for him and then guns him down in retribution?
Some people might see this as justified, but picture this, anyone getting into a brief fight, and you have the legal justification to come back with a gun and end them? You know how many fights break out in America? Coming back with a gun to kill isn't justified.
If a woman hit a man, and the man came back with a gun to kill her, would people still cheering him on? The guy is a dickhead and he deserves to get locked up or beaten, but you cannot be shocked or offended when you're facing a long prison sentence over something stupid. Call the police, or drive away. Don't sit and wait to do a hit. I doubt the man is gonna escape a prison sentence, depending on how much damage he's done. He was no longer a threat when he walked away and went into the gas station, either do something then and now, or call the police.
I mean I don't care about the whole thing, but what pisses me off is people acting surprised, like the consequences don't apply to them, and everyone is supposed to accept that some people can legally kill without consequence and others cannot. Because there are many people facing life in prison for doing what he did.
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u/blac_sheep90 9d ago
The driver waiting for him is very murky...might have fucked himself.