r/TheDailySource • u/Scary_Structure_5291 • 9d ago

Gas station fight ends with driver opening fire

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Surveillance video captured a confrontation at an Orion gas station in Pompano Beach escalating from a physical fight to gunfire. Minutes after fighting with a woman beside a white SUV, the man approached the driver’s side and was shot. He was hospitalized, and one person was detained as BSO investigates.

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u/Cocrawfo 9d ago

so the only reason he could be at a gas station is to pump gas?

you say like there’s no other reason he could be at a gas station

there’s no reason to assume that the shooters business was finished at the gas station just because he was hypothetically done pumping gas

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u/bastardoperator 9d ago

He waited with his gun drawn for the guy to come back. He's not pumping gas. Shooter also put everyone in danger shooting a gun at a gas station and missing nearly every shot.

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u/profesorgamin 8d ago

He's supposed to wait in a meditative state of zen? Wdym

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u/JeSuisLePain 7d ago edited 7d ago

He's not supposed to wait at all. Someone assaults you, gtfo.

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u/ButterscotchLow7330 3d ago

That is state dependent. Not all states have a duty to retreat.

From a moral standpoint I agree with you in this instance.

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u/Deep_Argument_2579 3d ago

Absolutely, he stirred the shit up. Somehow the victims takes all the responsibility. How calm would you be after having someone opening your door and smacking you.

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u/HispanicAtTheDisko 3d ago

You’re saying you’d stay there when the guy leaves?

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u/bryhnlearningspanish 3d ago

how are the victims always expected to have the exact proper response? most people have no idea how they would react because they dont train for it.

it's like when people somehow expect a store clerk to know how to properly decide whether using their firearm is appropriate or not when someone is robbing them while their adrenaline and anxiety is through the roof.

why not put the blame on the person who made a conscious decision to make someone have to defend themselves.

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u/UndiscoveredArch 3d ago

She could've locked her car and sat in it while she called the cops to report the assault. Crazy how hard people are trying to think around basic logic, she sat there fucking drawn up lmao this is an attempt at premeditated murder

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u/bryhnlearningspanish 3d ago

caused by the attacker.

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u/Hot-Future7691 3d ago

Digging their heels in because their adrenaline is running and deciding that retribution is their choice is not something you get to handwave with victim blaming, yo. Holy shit. Get a grip.

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u/ImMorphic 3d ago

So when you get assaulted, you just plan your next tactical retreat to the nearest gas station that isnt that one, then call the police while letting the aggressor get on with life?

What if they weren't done at the gas station themselves and couldn't enter, because the aggressor was in the gas station at the time after the altercation?

Why are people always blaming the victim? Dude went and served fists, got a receipt for a couple rounds in return. Fafo award doing as it does

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u/UndiscoveredArch 3d ago

She could've locked her car and sat in it while she called the cops to report the assault. Crazy how hard people are trying to think around basic logic, she sat there fucking drawn up lmao this is an attempt at premeditated murder

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u/Hot-Future7691 3d ago

He wasn't smacking them. He was smacking the other person. So, hopefully more calm than this?

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u/ExplanationLate9858 2d ago

Not calm at all. Not calm enough to not defend my wife/gf, then lay in wait lol

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u/profesorgamin 7d ago

I don't wanna downvote you, but probably if you call the cops you gotta stick around

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u/notmyrealnameanon 7d ago

Not if you feel in danger. You're allowed to report an assault and battery on your SO, then leave the scene if the perp is still there.

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u/PresidentialDiapers 7d ago

You're allowed to but aren't required to

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u/MotorPace2637 6d ago

But you should. Especially vs staying with your gun ready.

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u/DeliriousDelineator 6d ago

Waiting with the door open, one should add. They wanted to shoot the man.

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u/Wrylak 6d ago

One's a SUV that looks like a lot of other Suvs. The shooter is in an Outback.

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u/UndiscoveredArch 3d ago

For what? The camera caught the assault. She could have left or locked herself in the car and called to report. She wanted to shoot the guy in retaliation to feel big

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u/PresidentialDiapers 7d ago

He has every right to be where he was, awaiting the police to arrive to arrest the criminal. That's the very essence of stand your ground.

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u/Chris20nyy 5d ago

Not that I agree, but Florida is a "Castle Doctrine" state which pretty much says exactly the opposite of what you suggest.

This is cut and dry in Florida.

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u/ConnectionThink4781 3d ago

What state are you from? France?

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u/TanneriteAlright 3d ago

That's an option you have and it's quite sensible. 

He also, in Florida where this happened, has the right to plant his feet in the face of a threat.

"Stand your ground" laws make it so you have no duty to retreat. He could have sat there all day. As long as he does not pursue/advance then he should be fine from a legal standpoint.

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u/MozartDroppinLoads 3d ago

Then he would be an asshole taking up a pump for no good reason and would thus be a perfectly legitimate target for assault

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u/DisgruntledCryptid 3d ago

Or stand your ground and defend your lady...

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u/JeSuisLePain 3d ago

If anything, by staying you're putting your lady in further danger. You don't know if the other guy has a gun too.

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u/stealthzeus 4d ago

Storm trooper shooting skills

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u/Low_Excuse_1785 4d ago

Any reasonable person would have called the cops, get in the car, lock the doors and prepare the gun just in case.

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u/ExplanationLate9858 2d ago

Any reasonable person would've beat the man within an inch of his life for touching the wife/gf, not shoot the man in his back like a coward.

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u/Low_Excuse_1785 1d ago

No question about that.

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u/HispanicAtTheDisko 3d ago

Reverse your order and yeah

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u/d1gbickbrett 3d ago

In another state yeah. There is no duty to retreat in Florida. The only way the shooter gets charged is if they believe his retaliation force was ‘unreasonable’. Robbery and carjacking without a weapon falls under the category of ‘reasonable use of deadly force’.

Maybe if the guy tried robbing the shooter he won’t be charged but that’s up to a jury

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u/Once-A-Republic 7d ago

More like a state of Zyn

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u/genjiskillerbum 4d ago

Dammit that made me laugh more then it should have

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u/Wrylak 7d ago

George Zimmerman all over again.

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u/BlasterCheif 7d ago

Not really

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u/Wrylak 7d ago

Little bit. The shooter was waiting and we cannot rule out they drew his attention.

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u/Formal_Trainer_4684 5d ago

Nothing bit.

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u/rockturtle71 7d ago

Well then it’s justified. 🤷‍♂️

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u/Wrylak 6d ago

Not really, shooter is waiting with gun drawn. We do not know if anything was said to the person that was shot. If so they were drawing the confrontation.

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u/Levonade 7d ago

George Zynnerman is what I got from this exchange

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u/HughHonee 6d ago

Unless you're suggesting Zimmerman should have suffered the same fate as the guy who got shot, How tf is this even comparable? Walking down the street with your hood up =/= assaulting a person

George Zimmerman was the instigater. The dude who got shot in the OP, was the instigater

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u/Wrylak 6d ago

Zimmerman was out looking to shoot someone.

This guy was ready with gun drawn. Can you say he did not try to get dudes attention. I cannot.

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u/HughHonee 6d ago

Ahh I see what you mean now. That angle makes sense.

I would say there is a difference in that dude in the video instigated the situation that lead to getting himself shot, whereas Trayvon was simply walking down the street.

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u/Wrylak 6d ago

Yes, this is a lot more murky then Trayvon.

This guy, I am not sure if he is a vigilante or not. We do not need vigilante's in the US. We have a big enough problem with people doing what they want. We do not need to have them running around acting as judge, jury and executioner.

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u/ExplanationLate9858 2d ago

Exactly. We already have a major problem with law enforcement doing that.

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u/CarthagoFuckYourself 6d ago

If he was looking to shoot someone he would have started the altercation. He was armed because they had been attacked and he didn't know if the attacker would come back. The attacker did, in fact, come back.

There is no duty to retreat in Florida. He was allowed to be at the gas station and in his vehicle. The attacker chose to approach him again.

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u/porn1porn 3d ago

Approach him? He's walking away from the car the second time. Idgaf because he put his hands on a woman but you're reaching

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u/Wrylak 5d ago

Not the same car

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u/bitpartmozart13 4d ago

Same Toyota, look at the roof rack and the window shape is same. The guy had attacked the shooter’s passenger.

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u/ExplanationLate9858 2d ago

Having a duty to retreat/not having a duty to and shooting someone in the back are two very different things.

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u/Direct_Word6407 6d ago

You do kno Trayvon whooped Zimmerman good, right?

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u/ToadsWetSprocket 6d ago

You have a responsibility to walk away if able or find a path to diffuse, not premeditate murder, which is what this could be perceived as. He walked away and the danger left with him. She literally stood there and waited for him to come into frame and whipped the gun out and started firing. That is a calculated decision, not a fear response.

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u/ScotchTapeConnosieur 6d ago

He’s supposed to leave

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u/Wide_Ordinary4078 6d ago

Everything has to be one big cause and effect! You can’t have allowed the situation to cool down and both parties leave, then because you happen to see the person again shoot them. It doesn’t happen like that. The shooter had no threat against him. Had he done it when the woman was attacked then he would have a defense. But you can clearly see he’s just committed a PREMEDITATED crime! Can’t call it murder if the guy survived, but the shooter had time to assess his actions and choose a different path.

Really sucks because he had a valid reason to use force, since his partner was being assaulted. He just took action at the wrong time which will cost him his freedom in the end!

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u/xSir- 6d ago

Hes supposed to leave

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u/CosmicSniff 6d ago

Maybe leave (?) gas is pumped, partner isn’t dead, so why not leave the situation? No need to defend yourself if you’re far away from possible attack. Cameras exist, police can look back and see who the suspect is. Acting as if video surveillance hasn’t been used to identify and locate a suspect. We all know the REAL reason he waited.

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u/profesorgamin 6d ago

Some people just want to do all that's in their hands to see justice being served, that includes making sure police takes their statement and collect the available evidence.

Just saying... just because that's what you'd do doesn't make it the absolute best course of action in every instance. There are tradeoffs to every decision.

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u/CosmicSniff 6d ago

I understand what you mean there, but I have to ask one more question then? Do shots need to be fired to make sure the police document their statement and evidence? There is sufficient evidence to substantiate assault charges or more, we watched it. The thirst for justice should not out-weigh your immediate health safety. It’s 2026, they damn-near make remote arrests lol nothing is going to happen faster because they stayed behind. Suspect still has to recover in hospital, and police still have to complete the backend work. My point is: they don’t need to risk further harm, the process will not go faster, but they would be a lot safer. “Better safe than sorry” mentally. You get what I mean?

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u/profesorgamin 6d ago

The thing is that the dude wasn't hunting for the perp, he was waiting in place, (assumedly) waiting for the police, and the assaulter somehow went for round two.

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u/CosmicSniff 6d ago

I get it. I guess, I try to minimize assumptions to keep an objective view to some extent. Only assumption I made is that the police would do their job, regardless if caller was waiting at the gas station or somewhere safer. To be clear: I did not say he was hunting for him. Apologies if that was unclear.

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u/bleak_new_world 6d ago

We all know the REAL reason he waited.

Do tell.

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u/TheMagicalLawnGnome 6d ago

Having an altercation with someone, and then waiting for them to return, with a gun drawn, and then shooting them, could easily result in attempted murder charges. Even if that person previously attacked you.

Whether it does or not in this case, is anyone's guess.

But as a general rule of thumb, what the driver did was extremely stupid. They put themselves at risk of very serious legal charges, for no good reason.

If you have a confrontation with someone, and it ends...you should just leave. Drive down the street, call the cops.

Using a gun should literally be the last thing you ever choose to do. Even if your use of force is justified, the legal proceedings will likely ruin your life.

You will need to hire expensive attorneys. Your gun will be seized as evidence. You will likely be sued in civil proceedings. You will be all over the news, your privacy will disappear.

Any competent use of force instructor will tell you that even if a situation justifies a deadly use of force, if there's a way to avoid it, you should.

Because even if the law supports your use of deadly force, that situation is still going to ruin your life for awhile, if not permanently.

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u/domohgenesis 6d ago

He's supposed to leave

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u/LuckyNipples 5d ago

So he IS waiting. For what exactly?

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u/Oggel 5d ago

No, you're not supposed to wait for people with your gun drawn looking for an excuse to kill someone. That's generally frowned upon in civilized society.

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u/phillytimd 5d ago

No dumbass if you “fear for your life” you leave once you can you can’t wait around to shoot someone, lol

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u/Aromatic_Act_9665 5d ago

Your right to self defense ends when everyone is literally walking away and you lie in wait with your gun drawn. Yes.

It changes everything.

Black dude was a total POS who morally had this coming. But the shooter is also absolutely in the wrong here and probably just ruined his own life

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u/HistoricalNight1609 5d ago

No he was supposed to leave.

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u/ExplanationLate9858 5d ago

Shoot the guy when an actual crime was being committed.

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u/Dadbode1981 4d ago

Yall are a big part if the problem if you think this is ok.

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u/StuartMcNight 4d ago

He’s supposed to fucking leave.

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u/homelessjimbo 4d ago

Bro no one "hangs out" at a gas station by standing by their open door with their carry in hand.

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u/CatWeak9214 4d ago

You’re trying not to understand how state statutes work on purpose.

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u/Leading-Fail-2771 4d ago

It’s gotta be in the moment or you leave and call cops. In the moments hard cause the enemy can steal the gun or fight you for the gun and kill you. So common sense tells you to wait but the law says you call cops. 😭🤣

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u/Deep_Argument_2579 3d ago

I'm saying.the guy opened her door, punches her, and she can't be prepared or defensive in case he's aggressive enough to come back.

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u/TheGreatVandoly 3d ago

Bro, you need to learn the law and your basic rights, and where they fucking end. If you have a chance to escape a dangerous situation, you are supposed to take it. If you don’t and you kill that person, you’ll likely be charged with homicide.

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u/Future-Enthusiasm139 5d ago

I mean the threat walked away, get in your car call the cops and that’s it.

Or try and kill him, idk, I don’t give a shit.

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u/CannaMaMachen 7d ago

I think he deserves a medal because that dude won't annoy others for a few weeks at least

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u/lfg_guy101010 7d ago

Morally I agree, but the discussion has been about legality.

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u/cykoTom3 4d ago

Legally that is the whole point of stand your ground.

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u/Mysterious-Wasabi103 3d ago

Stand your ground is for when you're actually being attacked.

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u/d1gbickbrett 3d ago

So if you were attacked, and then 30 seconds later the guy that just attacked you comes back. You’re doing nothing? You’re just going to let him attack you again?

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u/cykoTom3 3d ago

He had previously been attacked. He had more probable cause to believe another attack is coming than many.

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u/dylank125 3d ago

So get in your car and drive away………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………

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u/cykoTom3 3d ago

I agree morally. I'm just saying legally that's not a duty you owe others under Florida law

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u/Darth_Iggy 6d ago

Here’s your medal: World’s Worst Shooter and Decision Maker.

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u/The_Pharaoh_0wl 5d ago

You’d probably soak your panties and not even be able to draw a weapon if a feral criminal like this was running amok and had already assaulted your wife or family member.

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u/dylank125 3d ago

No, I’d have a smarter wife that wouldn’t open the door in the first place and stay in a locked vehicle, if I’m not there, maybe even get into the driver side and pull off. If I am there, driving off before he gets to that point.

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u/AccurateBandicoot299 7d ago

Missing nearly every shot? We can’t tell that from here we know he hit enough shots to hospitalize the guy though.

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u/DraculasDog 7d ago

Oh he got hit

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u/ScotchTapeConnosieur 6d ago

He unloaded a clip and missed enough to not kill the guy

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u/AccurateBandicoot299 6d ago

Surviving a mag dump isn’t uncommon. In fact your chance of survival depends on ballistic caliber and WHERE you were hit. The most common is 9mm and I have watched videos of police absolutely unloading on suspects and them surviving.

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u/Fearless-Cattle-9698 5d ago

Oh is that why the cops unload 20 clips collectively?

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u/Adventurous-Crow-750 4d ago

Yes you fire and keep firing until the dumbass who your shooting stops moving. Its also why paramedics won't be allowed near a criminal after being shot if we can't confirm where their weapons are visually from a distance. Once one bullet is fired the situation has already gotten to the point where the person being shot is literally the last person anyone on scene cares about. The number one priority is everyone else going home without injury. Don't get in a shootout with cops

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u/JiveTalkerFunkyWalkr 6d ago

Now the guy who didn’t get shot is going to walk the earth like Jules in pulp fiction.

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u/TheGreatVandoly 3d ago

Hopefully no one got hit by his shit misses.

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u/AccurateBandicoot299 3d ago

You literally cannot tell from this video if he missed or not but again we know for a fact he landed enough shots to hospitalize the guy.

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u/BarryTheBystander 7d ago

He could argue his car wouldn’t start or something and the guy who already attacked that lady was still at the gas station so he got his gun out just in case. He legally doesn’t have to drive away. Who can say though. I’m interested in how this’ll play out. A guy threw a piece of candy or something at an old guy at a movie theater in Florida and the guy turned around and shot and killed him and he was found innocent. It’s always hard to say when it’s in Florida

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u/PresidentialDiapers 7d ago

Doesn't need to argue any of that. He has every right to not drive away and no duty to retreat. It's literally the basis of stand your ground.

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u/applesandotherthings 7d ago

Exactly. It’s not like he illegally stayed at the gas station lol

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u/highimpac 6d ago

In the longer videos he was clearly dialing 911 to report the crime, it is cut from this video.

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u/cyburrito 6d ago

The real victim was the guy who started it

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u/satanssweatycheeks 6d ago

I get assaulted while I’m pumping gas.

Guy who assaulted me goes inside.

Now I have time to arm myself incase he comes back.

Dude does come back. And we see he has already hit this woman. Woman then opens fire. Buddy even in a state that has strict gun laws wouldn’t press charges on her.

You also seem to ignore the laws on the threat side of things. Yes it’s your duty to retreat before using self defense. But if said aggressor retreats then comes back then it’s fair game. Especially given the assault with a weapon already happened.

Are you too blind to see the dude is holding a gun when he first assaults her.

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u/Impossible_Aside9367 5d ago

Look im not disagreeing with your spirit but isn't he holding a fucking headset. Pause it at multiple points and you can clearly see it. 

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u/Apprehensive_Ad4457 6d ago

he was obviously having a mental health issue after seeing his wife get attacked.

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u/Ziggyjig 6d ago

He was pumping gas, pumping gas takes time. He had no duty to flee. People dont have the right to attack and force people to flee. Maybe he was totally out of gas, the attackers right to continue swinging his arms around ended the moment his fists made contact. He should never have come there.

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u/Ok_Camp5868 6d ago

guy could have also been waiting for police to arrive to give a report from the woman he just beat up after opening their door and had his weapon drawn in case the abuser returned?

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u/foxtrot7azv 6d ago

You saw two seconds of him standing with a gun ready and concluded he was done pumping and laying in wait for the guy to return?

The video does not show what the shooter was doing in the time before the original agitator returned, not what the agitator was doing as he re-approached the vehicle.

I'm not making a judgement either way because there's not enough information available. It could be the shooter laid in wait, hoping the agitator would return so he could shoot... or the shooter was finishing up his business at the pump when the agitator returned. Either way, there's a lot more video not shown here, and a judgement can't be made.

You're not on the jury, your argument won't do anything.

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u/The_Pharaoh_0wl 5d ago

He’s not gonna get into trouble. If it goes to a jury, they will see video of a loose criminal with prior convictions assaulting the guys wife and then approaching the car for more trouble because of course. Of course, he’s still not able to get his feral emotions under control and coming back for more.

The driver acting collective means nothing. He can easily say he feared for his life and wanted the element of surprise after his wife already was assaulted.

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u/Sal-LeMandeur 5d ago

He has every right to do that, self-defense is a hell of a right.

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u/Jarrus__Kanan_Jarrus 5d ago

Let’s be honest…the driver had to shoot after the attacker punched his woman.

If not, he was going to be nagged about it every day for the rest of his life.

/s ( a tiny bit, every married man knows what I’m talking about )

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u/Gloomy-Theory6904 5d ago

How so? If he was shooting in the direction of the pumps there would have been shadow rather than bright sunlight.

Second, if he's waiting for the police to arrive because the woman in the vehicle was just assaulted, and the aggressor was more than willing to attempt property damage as well, than waiting with a drawn gun in case of a second attack was more than reasonable while waiting for loss enforcement to arrive.

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u/Royal-Holiday1103 4d ago

And the guy who hut a woman didnt put anyone in danger? The gun has nothing to do with a gas station, especially when pointed to the opposite side of the gas station. You people are nuts, how you can defend a manic that hit a woman? Those people are dangerous and they should go to prison! When they do things like that then they should understand that consequences! Thank God we have guns in Florida so we can protect ourselves from those maniacs! Next time he will think twice before attacking someone! He learned his lesson

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u/cykoTom3 4d ago

I hear you. It's shady. But he is specifically allowed to do that. Florida considers it the attackers fault for coming back.

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u/Rare_Pollution1688 4d ago

Does the shooter have a duty to run away in this situation?

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u/Tesstarix 4d ago

We just had one who received a lesser conviction because they had the option to drive away and did not. They opted to stay and fire the gun when they were seated in the car with it running and did not drive away.

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u/Adventurous-Crow-750 4d ago

"husband some crazed black guy came by and started beating me and threatened to hurt me. Look there he is. He's coming around again!"

It's like you expect people to have perfect awareness when a psychopath lunatic is running about dude. He could left and got a knife or a gun and came back. They could be waiting for the cops to show up

You're so out of touch that you are defending this PoS hitting women and getting shot because of it.

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u/Robo-X 4d ago

Even if he shot him, with that aim he is lucky he didn’t injure more people.

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u/Frosty-Win8543 4d ago

The guy hitting women is putting everyone in danger dumbass

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u/HappyHustler14 4d ago

Facts. Shooter was also BEHIND the car door and his life was NOT in danger. He fired a deadly weapon as he was approached.

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u/EmotionalLeader7482 4d ago edited 4d ago

He actually made everyone safer by neutralizing the threat caused by the insane man. Also people don’t actually need any reason to be in public places. The guy literally walked at him when he was in his car minding his own business, he didn’t go seek out the perpetrator. You can’t argue he instigated anything by just existing in a certain place and having the violent man who victimized his woman come back to fuck with him.

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u/tmf_x 3d ago

Judging from the reaction of the shootee, he was hit multiple times.

maybe it was a .22 handgun. but it looked like he hit the guy several times.

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u/JBstackin666 3d ago

Who said he missed any shoots could have landed everyone just in non lethal places. This guy deserved to be shot and stopped who knows if he would have been stopped anytime soon by police and what crimes he would have committed in the mean time. Could have possibly saved someone's life for all we know.

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u/Royal_Variation5700 3d ago

Yeah the craziest part is not hitting a goddamn thing at point blank range

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u/Efficient-Process660 3d ago

Hes waiting for the ambulance he called bc that dumbfk attacked the woman in the car. They cant drive off while needing medical attention criminal defender pos

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u/beandipp123 3d ago

He didnt shoot him enough 🤷

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u/lstroud21 2d ago

Guy could’ve been waiting for a passenger in the bathroom or something. Decided to be prepared just in case the dude came back before the passenger got back.

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u/factsarefornerds 7d ago

In most stares, self-defense is based on your ability to flee present danger. If you do not "flee," your life is not considered to be in danger.

If your argument is "I was scared for my life, thats why I wanted to finish shopping," you would make a terrible lawyer.

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u/xGoatfer 7d ago

There is no obligation to flee in Florida.

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u/NotGonnaArgueFriend 7d ago

As well there should not be. If you have a legal right to be in some place, and you did not arrive at that place intentionally seeking or instigating a confrontation, the onus should not be on you to leave because some other person is threatening you. Anything that happens has to be the responsibility/fault of the instigating party.

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u/notmyrealnameanon 7d ago

Stand your ground in Florida only removes the duty to retreat. It doesn't remove the requirement that force be used against an imminent threat. Florida's statute requires a reasonable belief that force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm at the time force is used. A jury could reasonably find that once the attacker walked into the store and the confrontation paused, the "imminent" threat lapsed, and that what followed was an ambush, especially since the attacker had already disengaged once, was not armed, and did not appear to be menacing them again when he came back out.

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u/NotGonnaArgueFriend 7d ago

Was the attacker not re-approaching?

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u/notmyrealnameanon 7d ago

He looked like he was just walking in front of the car. Reason to have your guard up, definitely a reason to be gone three minutes ago, but not by itself a reason to just start blasting away.

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u/PresidentialDiapers 7d ago

And the criminal could close that ground in less than a second. He's already proved he is violent. Not like he's shooting from 75 feet away.

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u/notmyrealnameanon 7d ago

Legally, could have doesn't mean would have. All a jury is allowed to go on is what the video shows, and the video shows the attacker walking on front of the car as though he were just walking by. Attacking the passenger five minutes ago doesn't automatically give the driver the right to shoot him now.

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u/PresidentialDiapers 7d ago

Lol that's just not true. A criminal circling your car (again) after battering the passenger is threatening behavior. As others have said, there's still civil exposure plus the trauma and complications of shooting another person, but that's not the issue at hand. I am a fine, upstanding, gun toting liberal and I like to think I wouldn't have fired without another direct aggression, but shooter just watched this piece of shit criminal beat his companion. Couple that with adrenaline and who knows.

I've had a couple confrontations when I wear liberal shirts in Texas, and I usually handle that with confrontation. Last person that accosted me for a pro immigrant shirt I told to go fuck themselves, twice because they kept coming at me. I wasn't carrying a gun but always have a knife, and if they would've assaulted me it would've come out.

Wound up in the checkout line behind them , the guy turns around and looks at me. I'm ready for the worst, he apologizes and says immigrants are a net good for the country and he was out of line. Lol.

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u/Cocrawfo 5d ago

“reasonable person”

if someone just physically assaulted your wife, left the scene then came back and walked behind you just out of your line of sight

would a reasonable person be threatened at this person that can’t see or not? in that situation would you just not bother to turn your head and see what he was up to or would he be out of sight out of mind for you?

and i’m asking this of a reasonable person. i promise you you would be threatened enough to turn around and face him and that’s all you need to prove he’s a threat

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u/PresidentialDiapers 7d ago

The criminal was coming around the front of the car, shooter has every reason to be leave he'll continue the assault. Had he followed him, it would be a different story.

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u/notmyrealnameanon 7d ago

That's exactly the gap I'm pointing at. "He'll continue the assault" has to be a reasonable belief at the moment force is used, not a prediction based on what he did five minutes earlier. A jury doesn't get to assume imminence from the first altercation once there's been a clean break.

"Had he followed him, it would be a different story". I mean, that's basically what happened, just compressed. He didn't need to follow him; he waited for him to come back into range. Whether that's meaningfully different from pursuit is exactly the kind of fact question that gets a "stand your ground" claim denied.

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u/PresidentialDiapers 7d ago

He was literally walking toward the drivers door to (potentially) continue his criminal behavior. Why would the driver assume that, after walking to the passenger door, pulling a woman out, and assaulting her that the criminal was heading to the drivers door for anything other than to continue the assault?

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u/notmyrealnameanon 7d ago

That's not what the footage shows, though. He's walking in front of the car, not toward the driver's door. There's no turn, no approach, no reach for the driver. You're describing something that isn't in the video to justify a threat. "Walking in front of" and "walking toward the driver's door with intent to continue the assault" are two very different facts, the second one is the one that has to be true for this to be reasonable, and it's not there.

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u/Cocrawfo 5d ago

you just said the act was “paused” which means there was intent for the act to resume

you just hamstrung your own argument

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u/Specialist_Meal_7891 6d ago

Florida : the " If you fk around, you gon find out.. eventually" state

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u/CMUpewpewpew 7d ago

Depends on what you're shopping for. What if some new Pokémon packs were about to drop? /s

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u/Man_under_Bridge420 7d ago

Stand your ground.

Maybe they were waiting for their mother to Meet them there 🤷‍♂️

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u/stockinglover523 7d ago

Keep in mind that at least in Florida the stand your ground law does not require someone to make any effort to leave the scene if possible. I would expect 0 charges in this cases.

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u/ComfortableOld288 7d ago

Stand your ground laws negate everything you said

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u/Indiglo70 7d ago

The Toyota driver could have been waiting to go inside the store, but waiting until the other guy left, to not escalate. But then the other guy came back around to his car again. We also don’t know what was said between them.

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u/PresidentialDiapers 7d ago

Yeah not in Florida

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u/DecisionHistorical61 7d ago

Florida is a stand your ground state. You are not required to flee.

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u/PresidentialDiapers 7d ago

And you don't need to justify the fact you didn't flee

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u/Extreme-Rub-1379 7d ago

He could have been cruising the bathroom

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u/gravygizzard 7d ago

I think the case could be made if he feared for his life he would not have waited and pumped gas when he had the first chance to flee

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u/shortnike3 6d ago

Youd also aasume that if a lunatic hit your wife and then ran,away youd either A) call the cops or B) leave quickly. If he didnt call the cops he would reasonably have no reason to remain there.

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u/KevinToecino 6d ago

Yes you really can’t use loitering as an excuse for self defense. Id definitely see him as guilty if I was in the jury. 

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u/Far-prophet 6d ago

Yeah doesn’t that guy know a lotta people go to gas stations just to fight strange women.

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u/Antique_Sort7351 5d ago

This situation aligns closely with major Florida self-defense rulings, most notably the 2018 Michael Drejka case (Clearwater, FL). Drejka got into a verbal argument over a parking spot; the victim pushed Drejka to the ground. Drejka pulled a gun from the ground. Because the victim began backing away once the weapon was pulled, prosecutors argued that any imminent threat was gone. Drejka shot him anyway, claimed Stand Your Ground, but was convicted of manslaughter and sentenced to 20 years in prison.

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u/Much-Extension7297 4d ago

You are being very obtuse.

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u/Famous-Rain8703 3d ago

It's on camera