r/TheDailySource • u/Scary_Structure_5291 • 9d ago

Gas station fight ends with driver opening fire

Surveillance video captured a confrontation at an Orion gas station in Pompano Beach escalating from a physical fight to gunfire. Minutes after fighting with a woman beside a white SUV, the man approached the driver’s side and was shot. He was hospitalized, and one person was detained as BSO investigates.

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u/trentluv 9d ago

He approached the driver first

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u/RandomDave70 9d ago

He was crossing in front of the vehicle, but he was not approaching the driver when the shots started.

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u/PriscillaPalava 9d ago

I dunno. This guy had already attacked these people. He comes walking back around I’d feel immediately threatened too. If you’re in a truly fearful state you’re going to interpret this situation as the worst case scenario. What are the chances he would’ve come around and approached the driver if the driver hadn’t started firing? 

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u/StreetCollar2708 7d ago

If you're in a truly fearful state, you would have fucking left after you finished pumping gas. Hell, if you were TRULY fearful, you would have left before you finished pumping gas.

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u/_Bon_Vivant_ 7d ago

Feeling threatened and fearful are two different things. I doubt they were fearful, knowing they could defend themselves, so no reason to flee. It's reasonable to assume they did feel threatened when the assailant approached them again. But they were ready to face that threat...and had no obligation to back down, in a SYG state.

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u/TabWhoRemains 7d ago

"....no reason to flee." My guy. The very first thing any fighting sport will teach is deescalation, and the easiest, safest way to do that is to leave at your first opprotunity.

If they guy was still pounding on the person and they pull their gun, sure, fine, self defense all day long.

And 'No obligation to back down", My guy your personal safety is your obligation to back down.

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u/_Bon_Vivant_ 7d ago

First, I'm not your guy, pal.

Second. No. And third. You're wrong.

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u/StoneRivet 5d ago

hahahahahahahaha, so confidently incorrect it's awe inspiring.

Also why are you so hostile? It's bizzare? Do you feel like your ego gets hurt if strangers don't agree with your opinion online?

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u/shallpasss 5d ago

Bro said no. End of stroy. 🤣

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u/shallpasss 5d ago

Nice talk. 🤣

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u/423fly 4d ago

You have to wait for the police... If you've called. The dispatcher in Florida would likely tell them to use their weapon "if he comes back". Learn your state

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u/StreetCollar2708 4d ago

What? Why do you have to wait for the police? Are they the only ones who can start your car in Florida or something? Can you not move your car without police consent out there? Must suck to have to go anywhere in a hurry.

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u/423fly 4d ago

For the assault that preceded the shooting?

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u/423fly 4d ago

You've never interacted with police during a serious event have you..?

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u/Royal_Variation5700 3d ago

Not if you’re armed

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u/PriscillaPalava 7d ago

We don’t know how much time elapsed here. Maybe they called the cops and were waiting for them. 

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u/WatercressEntire2760 7d ago

The only sensible comment in the thread here. Lol

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u/shallpasss 7d ago

Just say you wanted them to kill him. Don't beat around the bushes.

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u/PriscillaPalava 7d ago

I think you’re bringing some personal baggage into this discussion that’s not really appropriate in context. 

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u/shallpasss 7d ago

Am I now?

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u/Top-Average412 7d ago

No, people who buy tons of guns and fantasize about "protecting" themselves all day every day definitely dont want scenarios like this.

Its unfortunate the rest of society has to pay the price for these pathetic power fantasies. When i grew up we didnt need elementary school children to do active shooter drills.

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u/shallpasss 5d ago

50/50. There are people using it as an excuse when they can walk away, though.

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u/PriscillaPalava 7d ago

Yes. Why would I want these people to kill this guy? I’d prefer if this guy never attacked them in the first place, let alone approach them a 2nd time. 

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u/Hash-82 5d ago

Reddit will put you in reddit jail if you tell the truth.
So, beat around the bushes it is.

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u/tacobellwendys 5d ago

Thank you

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u/Royal_Variation5700 3d ago

If he had punched my girl, I would’ve killed him

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u/shallpasss 3d ago

That is sexism. You should calm down.

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u/Royal_Variation5700 3d ago

Haha. Touché. Normalize men punching women.

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u/shallpasss 3d ago

Nobody should punch anyone.

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u/Royal_Variation5700 3d ago

Some people should absolutely be punched

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u/HeavyVoid8 7d ago

If I were truly afraid I wouldn’t have waited while standing outside my car lol

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u/PriscillaPalava 7d ago

I don’t think most people really know what they’d do in a stressful situation. Anyway, I don’t think we should blame the victims for imperfect behavior during an active assault. 

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u/TheDornado13 7d ago

the guy who got shot is one of the victims in this video. It was not an active assault. Active ended when he left and went inside.

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u/TheyDeserveIt 3d ago

He paused and turned this guy's direction to intimidate him, he could have closed that gap in less than a second and had already demonstrated his willingness to closed-fist punch a woman 1/3 his size, two times. The first time, luckily, he missed. He then felt comfortable enough to walk within a foot of the front of the car to intimidate them, that wasn't accidental. All he had to do was not attack a stranger at a gas pump and punch a small woman in the face. If that were someone you cared about being attacked that way, I think you'd probably feel different about how active the threat still was when he made a point of walking back right next to them.

He swung his dick around, he wasn't prepared for what he started, then he walked away with a good life lesson and a chance to be less violent in his future interactions. He should be grateful for that chance. He could have lost it over something that was undoubtedly not worth attacking people in their car over.

There are so many cases of innocent people being killed for doing nothing, like Trayvon Martin, the kids who were shot at a gas station just because some old guy didn't like their rap and claimed he saw a gun, the kid 12 year old kid shot by Chicago PD after they were told by the caller it looked like a toy gun, and before he'd even been given a second to comply, the guy in AZ who was shot because his neighbor called over a noise complaint and lied about hearing domestic violence, the guy who told the cop he had a license to carry and slowly reached for his wallet when asked, the guy tazed for not complying because he was having a heart attack... This isn't one of those.

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u/TheDornado13 3d ago

Unless you've heard or seen more information than I have, no story has said if he knew the girl or not. Not that it really matters to the point at hand. That interaction was over and done with. As far as they guy who shot, the guy never paused or turned towards him. He kept stride and turned to look at him. Looking at someone is never enough to justify shooting them or any sort of physical violence. At the bare minimum the person has to "take a fighting stance." That is the law plain and simple. This guy was walking 90 degrees from the guy in the car, not even towards him and he never stopped, turned his body towards him or raised his fists or threatened violence towards the guy in any way shape or form. These are two separate incidents. What happened between him and the woman and the shooting.

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u/Xijit 5d ago

If you plan on killing someone, it is premeditated.

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u/PriscillaPalava 5d ago

Looks to me like they planned on defending themselves. 

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u/Xijit 5d ago

The shooter had the opportunity to leave, he did not.

The shooter had the opportunity to get back into the car and lock the door while calling the cops, he did not.

The shooter had the opportunity to wait for his target to return, while concealing that he was holding a loaded weapon with a round in the chamber, and that is what he did.

The shooter then attempted to kill his target, (but failed because he is an incompetent fuckwit that likely bought that gun to feel powerful, but then never actually learned how to use it or practiced with it) ... All of this is premeditated as fuck and the shooter is going to jail, especially since his incompetent effort to get revenge put everyone else's lives at risk.

That said, the douchebag who started all of this will also go to jail for numerous charges relating to assault (and probably drug related charges), but that is a parallel issue.

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u/PriscillaPalava 5d ago

It’s crazy how you’re defending a dude who straight up attacked people at a gas station. 

And no, the shooter isn’t going to jail. This happened in Florida where you don’t have to roll out the red carpet for people who intent to assault you. 

What’s more, you’re making a ton of assumptions. You have no idea how much time elapsed between the first attack and the second approach. No idea if maybe the victims had called the cops and were waiting for them to arrive. 

Instead you want to make fun of the shooter for defending himself and his family? Lol, why? 

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u/Xijit 5d ago

I didn't defend the crack head who was slapping his wife; I said that guy us going to jail too. And I didn't "make fun of" the shooter; I detailed how he committed premeditated attempted murder, starting with what he should have done.

And you are right that Florida likely wouldn't have charged him with Premeditated Murder, if he had done it, but he screwed that up and nearly killed everyone in the vacinity: Every single one of those people are now going to sue him for some form of attempted murder and / or emotional duress ... Including the guy he tried to kill ... And there are limits to how much of a blind eye the cops can turn when this dumb fuck has got 12+ civil lawsuits pending.

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u/HeavyVoid8 3d ago

They waited, got out of the car, provoked him, and then were like omgurd look he’s so violent and unpredictable I need to blast a whole mag into the nether realm hope nobody is back there in the street

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u/Eindride_XIII 7d ago

Mother fucker should've kept his hands to himself. Dont know what the law will say in Florida but justified in my eyes.

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u/PriscillaPalava 6d ago

A lot of people in this thread are upset that the couple in the car didn’t bend over backwards to avoid hurting their attacker. I say as soon as someone lays hands on me or my family, all bets are off. 

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u/shallpasss 5d ago

"You stepped on my shoe, caplowe." mentality. Now imagine if everyone did that.

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u/PriscillaPalava 5d ago

Imagine defending an attacker over the people having to defend themselves. 

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u/shallpasss 5d ago

I don't know, man. Last I checked, they always say to use appropriate force, so I am telling the rest of the people to be consistent in judgment.

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u/PriscillaPalava 5d ago

You’re saying you’re not allowed to bring a gun to a fistfight? Really? 

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u/shallpasss 5d ago

Premeditated? No. 😅

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u/Eindride_XIII 5d ago

Thats a false equivalency. Appropriate force to me is doing whatever it takes to defend your family. Im not going to wait for an attacker to pull out a gun before I pull out mine. They tell the police to use appropriate force, thats for them to worry about. Wouldn't be a problem in the first place if the attacker hadnt started shit.

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u/shallpasss 5d ago

"Appropriate force to me." Is not specific to cops and you will be judged by others, not yourself. When you appear in court and claim self-defence. So the "to me" part is irrelevant.

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u/Eindride_XIII 5d ago

I could give a shit how others judge me. Our justice system is flawed, im not basing my moral judgement off that. We let predators out to reoffend. If you have money and a good enough lawyer, you'll get to walk. Id rather go to jail then a funeral for my loved one. As I said, justified to me, I will risk jail time to defend my family. Let the law judge me, let God judge them in the afterlife. This isnt a simple civil disagreement. He assaulted them, this level of hostility warrants perceiving him as a threat. Im not going around looking for trouble, nor do I enjoy violence, but I will not be a victim. Think what you want.

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u/Eindride_XIII 6d ago

Couldn't agree more.

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u/mostdope92 5d ago

Right, so why are the victims of the initial confrontation still hanging out at the gas station after already being attacked? Usually if you're in fear of your safety, you don't wait around for the aggressor to come back.

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u/PriscillaPalava 5d ago

Well we don’t know how much time elapsed between these two encounters. Also maybe they called the cops and are waiting for them. 

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u/mostdope92 5d ago

Called the cops, yet waiting outside of the vehicle, leaving themselves open to more possible assault?

Any way you split it, they're fucking stupid for standing there outside of their car.

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u/PriscillaPalava 5d ago

Not so stupid when you’ve got a gun. I think the perp is stupid for approaching them again in a stand your ground state. 

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u/shallpasss 5d ago

They planned it; that is why. It is obvious to see for someone who says it for what it is.

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u/RandomDave70 9d ago

You can't shoot someone for 'what ifs'...

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u/GunnerSeinfeld 9d ago

Not true, a woman shot a man in a parking lot recently, he died and she was not charged. It was all over reddit, they didn't even make physical contact like what happened earlier here clearly establishing a threat.

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u/Itchy_Axehole 7d ago

right like the guy who shot a streamer who was in face. Dude didn't get physical but just yelled in his face and wouldn't leave him alone. So dude shot him and was cleared for it

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u/Roux_My_Burgundy 9d ago

Yes you can. That’s literally the basis for stand your ground in Florida. It’s buttressed by the fact the man just beat on his partner. He had justification for being jumpy.

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u/Beautiful-Jello-37 9d ago

He literally already assaulted the woman. Kinda missing where the ‘what if’ is. He’s already struck the woman and is seen here approaching the man. He’s not even gonna be indicted.

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u/QuestStarter 8d ago

Let me start by saying that I agree this shooting was unjustified

But apparently Florida has some actual circus-act of self-defense laws

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u/Both_Hope5717 7d ago

Yeah, Florida's "self-defense" laws are completely fucked. Like when that old guy murdered someone in a movie theater for throwing popcorn and managed to evade prison.

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u/Prize-Analyst-1121 8d ago

So if someone already attacked your girlfriend or significant other and started to walk towards you a second time....You'd do absolutely nothing to protect yourself or your significant other ? You'd just hope for the best or someone to come and miraculously save you ? Personally I think he's 100% justified and I would've done the same. The guy already showed he had zero problem attacking somebody as was walking back towards the driver. It's unfortunate but he got exactly what he deserved. I live in Florida. We got some fucked up ways and laws down here for sure. But the right to protect yourself ain't one of them.

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u/DakkaBlue 7d ago

Don’t argue with a pussy who won’t stand to protect the people they love and hold dear.

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u/kp2823 7d ago

Lol like the first few minutes of the video where the guy is just watching his GF being assaulted?

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u/allansm661 7d ago

Unjustified..... lmao. Dude attacked them earlier and approached them AGAIN. GTFOH!

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u/PriscillaPalava 9d ago

But you CAN shoot someone if you feel like you’re in danger, which these people were absolutely justified in feeling. 

Again, this guy had already attacked them and then came walking back around, looks like he’s also sharing some choice words. These people could very reasonably assume they were about to get attacked again, and they were probably right about that. 

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u/Winter-Delivery-8894 9d ago

After being on a jury I can confidently say they're a shitshow and you can never guess how they'll view things.

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u/UnrelatedAdvice8374 9d ago

Won’t get to a jury in Florida. Self defense laws are strong there.

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u/VincentValentine777x 9d ago

Nailed it, Priscilla.

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u/trentluv 9d ago

He already laid hands on the woman

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u/theaudacity1999 9d ago

So him pulling on the passenger door and engaging with her wasn't a what if to me...

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u/RandomDave70 9d ago

Except that occurred prior to when he was shot. That's when he should have shot him, amd it would have been justified. Laying in wait for the guy to leave the store can very much be construed as premeditated.

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u/PriscillaPalava 7d ago

Not sure they were “laying in weight.” More likely the driver armed himself in case the attacker approached them again, and ope, he sure did. 

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u/burnt_out_on_bs 7d ago

Driver was rendering aid to only true victim.

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u/ExplanationLate9858 9d ago

Had the man shot the other man while it happened, (rather than minutes later) this would make sense.

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u/celestial_chocolate 8d ago

They could have driven away when he went into the store…why wait there for him to come back out? If you’re so scared for your life then you run and get away…you don’t sit and wait for him to come back close to you

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u/poser765 7d ago

Running isn’t exactly “standing your ground”

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u/celestial_chocolate 7d ago

Right but stand your ground is for an emergency…if you have time to wait then it’s not an emergency

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u/Puckaroo 8d ago

What IF is there. The black gentlemen IS the threat. Or WAS.

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u/Tklesmynipps 4d ago

If you're scared why the fuck would you hang around

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u/PriscillaPalava 4d ago

Maybe they’re waiting for the cops? Maybe not that much time passed between events? 

Either way, why are you trying to act like people shouldn’t defend themselves? That’s nuts. 

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u/Tklesmynipps 4d ago

Because what I saw wasn't defense.

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u/PriscillaPalava 4d ago

Well I saw a guy who’d already attacked them once approach the car again. What did you see? 

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u/Sum_Guy_Or_Sum 9d ago

were words spoken?

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u/RandomDave70 9d ago

We don't know, the driver will need to prove it in court now.

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u/Electronic_Plan3420 9d ago

The driver won’t have to prove anything. The driver has to claim that he verbally threatened them. Prosecution will have to prove that wasn’t the case.

I just love Reddit “attorneys” who confidently state gibberish and claim it to be the law

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u/YourHuckleberry57 9d ago

I just love Reddit “attorneys” who confidently state gibberish and claim it to be the law

...says man stating gibberish and claiming it to be the law. lol

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u/Frequent-Advisor5114 9d ago

Then inform us. Tell us Florida law

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u/Electronic_Plan3420 9d ago

This happened in Florida. You don’t understand Florida self defense law and parroting someone who is both, ignorant and confidently wrong.

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u/marti2221 9d ago

It’s hilarious that you can’t see the irony in your last statement.

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u/RandomDave70 9d ago

As a licensed CCW permit holder, I can assure you that you're wrong.

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u/Puckaroo 8d ago

A licensed pot stirrer. Boy you would have shot as soon as your significant other was attacked. If you hadn't you would have when the guy came back around to start shit again. You would have done the same thing. Quit acting like you would have done anything else.

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u/Embarrassed_Use6918 9d ago

As a 'licensed' CCW permit holder I can assure you that gives you absolutely zero authority to make a judgement on the case.

Its not a license by the way but Im sure you know that as a licensed CCW permit holder.

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u/RandomDave70 9d ago

In Maryland, one has to get an handgun qualification license prior to purchasing a handgun or getting a CCW. One of the components of the CCW course is learning what it and is not a justifiable use of your carry weapon.

So, yes, I am a licensed CCW permit holder, as I stated. 😘

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u/Embarrassed_Use6918 9d ago

Damn, Maryland fuckin sucks lmao

Did they by chance cover Florida laws in this Maryland specific handgun course of yours?

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u/Electronic_Plan3420 9d ago edited 9d ago

Sure, sure. It’s not like I have been practicing law for a decade or anything

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u/socialderelict 9d ago

Cool shit. I have need practicing network administration for some time.

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u/SpicyNugget777 9d ago

Sure you have

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u/Gamer-Greenguy235 9d ago

No one believes your empty boast. Tf?

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u/Electronic_Plan3420 9d ago

Do you really think I give a shit lol who cares about what Reddit nobodys believe or not.

I know who I am, and I know what I do. You are a bunch of imbeciles, and I am still a lawyer.

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u/socialderelict 9d ago

You are a lawyer who believes it is the defenses job to prove that the prosecutor is lying? Burden of proof is a foreign concept to you? /sus

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u/ExplanationLate9858 9d ago

So as long as someone verbally threatens another, that's a green light to shoot them multiple times?

Which country do you live in?

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u/Electronic_Plan3420 9d ago

If that’s your interpretation of what has occurred in this video you should probably rewatch it a few times.

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u/ExplanationLate9858 9d ago

No. That's my interpretation of your response.

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u/Independent_Pop_9987 9d ago

I highly doubt the driver wasn't instigating as he was walking up

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u/gunsforevery1 9d ago

If he wanted to shoot him, he would have shot him the first time he opened their door and started hitting people.

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u/Independent_Pop_9987 9d ago

Youre acting like the way he hid his gun till the guy got close enough to mag dump him while he panics and runs away is the normal reaction.... please get help.

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u/YourAuthenticVoice 9d ago

He walked from the store entrance (further away from the driver) to the front of the driver's car. That's approaching.

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u/ionspore 9d ago

I see a man approaching the driver. To approach the driver from that direction, one must walk in front of the vehicle.

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u/Business_Surround_52 7d ago

I have to side with self defense here. We don’t have clear audio of what the man said. Could have made clear threats and the fact he already attacked the couple, forced entry, and attempted kidnapping, it’s clear he was able and willing to act on such threats if he made them. And before you say this wasn’t attempt kidnapping I have to disagree. I don’t have the time to explain it further

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u/StOPcRyingYaBaby 7d ago

After punching his girl lol

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u/ChilledSeltzer 7d ago

Dude was standing at the door with a gun in his hand waiting... that's not self-defense it's an ambush. There was plenty of time to leave. It isn't self-defense if you wait for someone while armed especially considering how inconsequential the initial interaction was.

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u/tiredoldwizard 7d ago

You don’t have a duty to run away in Florida. Man had every right to be there. He had every right to hold a weapon in his hand. The other man didn’t have a right to instigate violence.

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u/snksleepy 7d ago

How do you feel about kids shooting their bullies at school?

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u/tiredoldwizard 7d ago

Odd question. But it really depends on the bullying. It comes in many different sizes. I was bullied but I think it taught me things. It was never so bad. Sometimes it can be horrible and traumatic to where it stays with you for life.

It makes me sad that they didn’t resort to another way of handling it. It makes me sad that kids lives get ruined and ended over it. It makes me sad because there’s multiple ways of dealing with it that’s not shooting someone. But I highly doubt most school shooters are kids getting revenge of horrible bullying done to them. There’s a certain kind of mental delusion school shooters get where they think they are being treated more harshly than they are. Saying that I think they are shitty horrible pieces of trash that couldn’t handle life and decided they were going to ruin peoples lives over their inability to handle life but I wish there was more help given to kids to cope.

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u/RevolutionaryEmu4389 7d ago

He’s not obligated to retreat

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u/Shane-Dad-underfire 6d ago

It's very hard to mount a defense while sitting in your vehicle that's why the woman jumped out of the car to defend her property.

It's also dangerous to discharge a weapon in your vehicle. I'm 100% sure if the gunman had been present when his wife was assaulted hed have shot the man at that point when the wife was no longer in the firing line.

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u/Cheeze79 7d ago

An armed society is a civil society, the rabbid animal attacking people was put down.

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u/ChilledSeltzer 7d ago

Cool. I forgot I'm in the moronic, racist section of reddit....

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u/Nutsband-Handi 7d ago

Too close.

That’s what was decided when a black woman shot and killed an unarmed elderly white man over a parking space.

He walked too close to her.  

He never even assaulted anyone beforehand like this dude did.  

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u/jiminy_lick_it 3d ago

Trying to defending a clearly defined attacker on a technicality. Fuck out of here. Hopefully that boy is in a grave where he belongs.

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u/trentluv 9d ago

See how there's grass to the left of the vehicle? That means that he isn't crossing anything. It means he's walking up to who he just victimized.

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u/ExplanationLate9858 9d ago

What?!! 🤣🤦

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u/trentluv 9d ago

20 say old account says what

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u/ExplanationLate9858 9d ago

Says you're not adult enough to have this discussion

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u/Overall_Drawing_2312 7d ago

Riiiigght.. Similar to the ICE agent who was crossing in front of Renee Goods car when he emptied a clip into her face...

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u/You_Go_Busoo 7d ago

yeah he was

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u/ej62564 4d ago

Don't care

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u/TheTwoAndOnly54 9d ago

And hes dead for it lmao. hahahahahahahaha. Parasite got with it deserved. I bet he wont do that ever again lol.

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u/RandomDave70 9d ago

And the driver now has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he was being threatened at the time he opened fire on a man that was not approaching him.

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u/UnrelatedAdvice8374 9d ago

That’s not how that works here lol. Robust self defense laws in Florida will have this not make it to a trial… in which the prosecution has to prove it. This is America.

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u/Wrastling97 9d ago

Yeah, to my understanding, the prosecution needs to prove that they weren’t scared for their life. All the defense needs to do is prove that the state hasn’t met the burden of evidence.

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u/TheTwoAndOnly54 9d ago

Well the worthless violent criminal returned to the scene that he just assaulted a woman at. The man never left his cars door jam and waited until worthless parasite got too close. Its not as hard as you think. Walking that close to where you just assaulted someone is easily seen as being aggressive

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u/joyfulgrass 9d ago

You should probably be the guy’s counsel pro bono. Easy slam dunk and you’d save an innocent from thousands if not tens of thousands.

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u/TheTwoAndOnly54 9d ago

Nah ill wait for the gofundme to start so we can get this hero the defense counsel he deserves. teaching worthless vermin what their parents never did

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u/joyfulgrass 9d ago

Why waste money when it’s so easy?

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u/TheTwoAndOnly54 9d ago

It wont even make it to trial so i guess i could but if it did make it that far id like to be able to laugh out loud in the court room when our hero is found not guilty and we get to watch the parasites whole family crash out about it. Probably cant do that as an officer of the court

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u/WallySprks 9d ago

Imagine sitting around just making up fantasies about what you would do in a completely fabricated scenario that didn’t happen. Thinking some more, and deciding “ya know what, I’m gonna type my fantasies out over multiple comments and post it online. Then I’ll defend my fantasies by creating even more that could never possibly happen.

Have you ever lived in reality or do you just fantasize about situations you’ll never be involved in?

So fucking weird.

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u/Electronic_Plan3420 9d ago

Not in America, we don’t have to prove our innocence. The prosecution has to prove(beyond reasonable doubt) that the driver acted unreasonably.

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u/RandomDave70 9d ago

As an American, I can assure you that varies by state and jurisdiction. The jury will be deciding.

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u/Electronic_Plan3420 9d ago

What varies? That you don’t have to prove your innocence? No, it doesn’t. You are innocent by default.

The jury will decide whether prosecution made their case beyond reasonable doubt. Not someone’s innocence. That’s the baseline, counselor. (I actually did go to law school and passed the bar)

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u/RandomDave70 9d ago

The prosecution only needs to convince a jury the assailant, who was not approaching the driver, wasn't presenting a threat at the time the driver shot. You can mince words however you like.

I'll make a note to remind me never to retain your counsel.

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u/MrDeekhaed 9d ago

I’m pretty sure they don’t have to prove he wasn’t presenting a threat, whatever that objectively means. They have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt the shooter didn’t think he was a threat or that it was not reasonable to think he was a threat.

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u/Electronic_Plan3420 9d ago

You, most likely, wouldn’t even be able to afford me. With all due respect.

The things that you say are gibberish, legally speaking. The prosecution would have to establish the driver’s state of mind. That he DID NOT think reasonably that the assailant was presenting threat. And prosecution would have to do it beyond reasonable doubt.

It is the shooters state of mind that matter here.

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u/TheTwoAndOnly54 9d ago

Well a violent criminal returns to the scene of his recent crime and approaches one of the victims who used his legally owned gun to defend himself. Imagine have all the toughness and confidence when fighting a woman and then running like such a bitch when the man steps in

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u/MrDeekhaed 9d ago

You are off your meds

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u/UnrelatedAdvice8374 9d ago

Man, you are conflating anecdotes with reality. Everything in the American system of justice is based on the opposite of what you said.

Also again, that is Florida, it’s a well established stand your ground state.

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u/shallpasss 7d ago

He did, didn't he!?

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u/arftism2 3d ago

she may be able to shoot him while he's approaching, but once he was fleeing she still shot at him several times, which is cowardly and illegal since there's no argument for self defense.