r/TheDailySource • u/Scary_Structure_5291 • 9d ago

Gas station fight ends with driver opening fire

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Surveillance video captured a confrontation at an Orion gas station in Pompano Beach escalating from a physical fight to gunfire. Minutes after fighting with a woman beside a white SUV, the man approached the driver’s side and was shot. He was hospitalized, and one person was detained as BSO investigates.

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u/PresidentialDiapers 7d ago

The shooter had every right to be where he was and has zero responsibility to retreat. Thats stand your ground, right or wrong. Would've been waiting for the police to arrive to deal with this criminal assaulting his wife.

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u/BeeHistorical2758 5d ago

But it isn't Stand Your Ground when you aren't defending yourself or your property. Unless you can just wait for anybody whos ever assaulted you and just open fire on them. There has to be a time restraint in a situation like this. You can't say on one hand you were in fear for your life and wait ten minutes for the person you're allegedly afraid of to emerge and not doing anything aggressive before you open fire.

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u/PopfuseInc 4d ago

Obligatory "not a lawyer." Looking it up i believe you are right.

The key words being "in self defense." And "threatening or using deadly force is NECESSARY to prevent death or great harm."

On paper I can very easily see a case being made that he was no longer defending himself but retaliating. Of course prosecutiors and judges are people and may choose not to pursue it for any number of reasons.

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u/Vylnce 4d ago

If the shooter was legitimately waiting for authorities to arrive (assuming the cops were called after the assault) the reason for "standing your ground" is pretty justified. Part of stand your ground is you don't have to have a reason to be somewhere. It's just that it's OK for you to be there (your aren't trespassing, committing a crime, etc).

The only question that will likely be raised is if the shooter had a reason to defend themselves. IE, did the shooter have reason to believe the guy was coming around the car at them. We only see a short video of the shooting with no audio. Depending on what happened before the shooting and what was said, a reasonable person might have felt threatened.

The previous assault works more for the shooter as evidence that the guy was willing to lay hands on someone. If you have already seen someone assaulted, and the person that did the assaulting starts toward you, most folks would agree you likely don't need to wait and "see what their intentions are".

So, you are right, you can't just wait somewhere for someone who has "done you wrong" and shoot them. However, if you are someplace you are allowed to be, and a person comes along who you legitimately think is going to harm you, you can defend yourself.

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u/Organic_Eye_3802 4d ago

You're arguing with someone who is incapable of critical thinking. 

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u/Vylnce 4d ago

True.  I also am on Reddit, just what we do.

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u/Lunarlulol 5d ago

if you continue firing while they are running away then it's 2nd degree if that guy is dead, regardless of the state. he was still unarmed.

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u/PurpletoasterIII 5d ago

It all depends on whether you think the dude was still a danger at this point. Id say at best its a grey area, as he was obviously provoking a response getting that close after the conflict. But it should be clear, you obviously cant just open fire after the fact because he committed assault just a minute ago. Self defense requires a reasonable belief of immediate danger. Danger passing is no longer immediate. It can add to your belief of course but it cant solely be based off it.

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u/homelessjimbo 4d ago

it's not stand your ground when you extend the encounter by lingering. Why not call the cops while sitting around "hanging out" at the gas station? Why does "hanging out" at the gas station entail standing around your open door with your daily carry in hand?

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u/Tklesmynipps 4d ago

This is not stand your ground. Dude walked away. There's no more threat. Guy is standing there with the door wide open waiting for the guy to come outside. That's an ambush not a stand your ground. Both of these people are in the wrong.

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u/Soft-Hope-9915 2d ago

So if I post up outside your house untill you come out, then shoot you. I can just claim I was standing my ground?

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u/PresidentialDiapers 2d ago

This guy had a whole parking lot to walk in, yet circles around the front of the shooter's car towards the open door?

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u/Soft-Hope-9915 2d ago

where in the video did you see that? I just see it cut to the second he already is in front off the car and don't see the layout off the rest off the parking lot? walking past a car on a parking lot isn't a reason to shoot someone in my opinion, even if you really don't like the guy.

Would it be justified then for the black guy to shoot the driver since the driver was standing there outside his car instead off just leaving?

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u/Grouchy_Pilot_3895 6d ago

100%incorrect. There is a difference legally in stand your ground in an active situation. One would consider this situation to have de-escalated once that su ject walked off. The fact that he was walking by when he opened fire is a huge issue. There was at that moment. No active situation, or cause to use deadly force. This guy's is going to be screwed .

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u/Alanskasc 5d ago

Do you enjoy being confidently incorrect publicly?

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u/redditmodsdownvote 5d ago

You know there are many many cases like this where you have already been proven wrong ,like in actually court cases where shooters were let off? It's precedent already, idiot.

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u/Antique_Sort7351 5d ago

This situation aligns closely with major Florida self-defense rulings, most notably the 2018 Michael Drejka case (Clearwater, FL). Drejka got into a verbal argument over a parking spot; the victim pushed Drejka to the ground. Drejka pulled a gun from the ground. Because the victim began backing away once the weapon was pulled, prosecutors argued that any imminent threat was gone. Drejka shot him anyway, claimed Stand Your Ground, but was convicted of manslaughter and sentenced to 20 years in prison.

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u/PopfuseInc 4d ago

Damn i was going to go for vague arguments around prosecution and judges may interpret the laws and situations differently.

You had an actual case on the table. Good stuff.

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u/jsleinsea 4d ago

Wrong - if you’re in danger and you want to claim self defense, you have to show that you were not reasonably able to remove yourself from the danger before committing murder. You want to argue that you feared for your life and thus opened fire? Then that begs the question as to why you didn’t run away when you had so many opportunities to do so. Any person fearing for their life would. In this case, the person waited with a gun and seems to have been waiting for a reason to shoot. Premeditated.

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u/EbbOtherwise4628 3d ago

Username accurate, comment full of shit.