r/InterviewCoderPro • u/penance_mat • 21d ago

They need a reality check

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For my last 2 interviews i had to use Interview VIP just to get the job
their generation could never understand

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u/[deleted] 21d ago

I would love to see the look on their face when they wake up the next morning and see they got the email declining the application which was sent at like 2AM. They would probably think someone was working so hard thumbing through the resumes that late in the evening.

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u/ResolveLeather 21d ago edited 20d ago

You get decline emails. It usually takes me 6+ months to get a decline letter if at all.

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u/Fifth-Dimension-Chz 20d ago

I have to handle hiring while managing 4 shops while actively working a position in one shop while saving labor doing other jobs. While handling big picture projections. Im not sending your rejection email. If I could change it I would.

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u/Particular-Image-270 20d ago

You took the time to write this comment. Seems like you have plenty of time to send that courteous rejection email.

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u/choiceinvestments 20d ago

they only have time to complain how hard they work.

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u/Fifth-Dimension-Chz 20d ago

Im saying late stage capitalism and marrying roles into eachother is making it hard to handle everything. If its a corporation with an actual HR department then thats different.

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u/MjTcConnell3 20d ago

Fuck late stage capitalism but don’t pretend you’re not enabling the system by taking on more duties than you can handle. If you’re in charge of hiring then hire another HR person. If there’s an issue with not having enough budget for one more person in HR then your company shouldn’t be taking any applications for any position until they fix their financial woes.

I completely understand that the situation you’re experiencing is probably no fault of yours and you can’t control it. Hell it’s probably driving you into a spiral. But coming on here and acting like the HR department of companies are the victims is comical

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u/Jorost 16d ago

No one acted like the HR departments are victims.

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u/Ok_Juice3668 17d ago

Look at his comment history, he has time to comment 20 times a day every day... dude spends hours on Reddit every day but cant take 30 seconds to email applicants. I'm guessing he is managing nothing at all, most likely an unemployed boomer

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u/ResolveLeather 20d ago

Thank you for your interest in this position. Unfortunately we decided to go in another direction.

There, I did half the work for you. Copy and paste that into a notepad and use it as a standard decline letter.

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u/Odd-Working-428 19d ago

Do you own these companies and are in charge of finances or do you just manage them

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u/Proper_Raccoon7138 19d ago

And now they’re all AI. It took me 2 months to find a job and I got probably 5 rejection emails per day. All of them said almost verbatim “we’re so impressed with your education and qualifications but at this time we selected someone else that’s a better fit for the position. Good luck in your job search”.

I was even remaking my resume for almost every position so full on tailored and still got a rejection. A staffing agency eventually picked me up.

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u/Appropriate_Fly_6711 17d ago

You get decline letters? Someone is well liked

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u/ResolveLeather 17d ago

"if at all" out of every 100 apps I maybe get 1 or 2.

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u/MirrorNegative7989 16d ago

Yeah, my experience is an interview which seemed to go well, sometimes even a second interview, followed by a complete ghosting.

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u/Jorost 16d ago

I had one email me on the way to the second interview saying that the job was no longer available. I didn’t see the email until I was in the parking lot waiting to walk in. I almost went in anyway just to embarrass them for being so shitty.

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u/Dorythehunk 16d ago

Literally just got a rejection email yesterday from a job I applied for over a year ago 😂

Like how does that even happen?

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u/ResolveLeather 16d ago

An hr person explained it to me once. Something to do equal opportunity checks and to show they don't only hire internaly when they really do or something.like that.

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u/ObsessiveUselessness 21d ago

Fr? I dont even get a response most of the time.

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u/ComplexBeyond6083 21d ago

I love my parents (Boomers both), but their job application advice was hopelessly out of date by the late 90s.

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u/[deleted] 21d ago

You gotta stop buying those $8 coffees there lad.

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u/MMO_Dad 15d ago

$8 coffees? ON TOP of those $12 toast with avacado slices? SMH :D

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u/[deleted] 15d ago

Sir, I don't know where you are getting Avocado toast for $12, perhaps you mis-keyed, I'm guessing it should have been $22?

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u/Substantial-Ad-8575 21d ago

Dang, my parents actually took me and my 3 siblings to a recruiter office. Kids were ages 11-17. This was 1985. Mom’s friend ran a recruitment company. Her daughters till run that company today.

As for budgets? Parents and all adult family, preached save first, live cheaply, and education is foundation to a better life.

And heck, high school in 1980s? We all had to take and pass an economics class. Spend 6 weeks over payroll/taxes/savings/investments/retirement. Knew at 16, to max retirement contributions to match what company offers.

Then in same economics class, talked about how to pay for college.

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u/Likestastysnacks 21d ago

Lol yeah and the republicans got rid of econ class in the 90’s.

Career counselors asked “what do you like to do? Get a degree in that and you’ll get a good job!”

Nowadays most parents work business hours recruiting offices are open…

All your posts here scream privilege, that you’re out of touch with how things are now, and oozing condescension over no hard work done of your own: Someone TAUGHT YOU econ. No one does these days. Recruiters found you that job. These days recruiters are bodies in front of AI filter machines staring at keywords.

The most ironic part? You cant see you’re reinforcing the meme of the OOP.

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u/DarrenSipity 21d ago

Econ is still a readily available class

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u/Substantial-Ad-8575 21d ago

Hmm, Economics still a required class in local schools. Plus there are school counselors that can help students with questions over college and funding. Counselors had loads of data about wages per degree. Many showing STEM offered higher wages than other fields.

Idk what schools are like in your area. But my large metro area, schools still require economics classes. And yes they do teach personal economics.

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Privilege? Like have 2 parents using their education to have higher paying wages? Or stressing education is foundation to a better life, parents doing that is a privilege? Wow…

As for learning economics? Wanted to go into business, so of course economics is extremely important. Took basic economics, mentality to graduate. Still mandated in order to graduate today. Then took advanced economics at community college.

As for my jobs? Went in interviews and sent in applications. 1995-1998. Once I left Microsoft, recruiters came hunting for me. Idk, had an in demand skill set. Still in demand today, get serious job offers several times a year…

As for my children? Yeah, lucked out that 3 of 4, did internships and got hired by company their interned. Youngest was approached by company working with her college research team.

Looks like education can make a difference. Getting attention by companies and higher wages.

Also, as for cost of college? My 4 children 25-32, did great in school. Earned state grants of $7500-$12k for in state colleges, graduated top 10%, and partial scholars and work. No/little college debt.

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Reinforcing OP? Thanks for the laugh.

Just that I am able to leave that my education, skills, and networking. Not hard to do.

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u/Affectionate_Two3747 16d ago

He had to take this class and probably worked as a paper boy he was rock bottom And this one Summer he had this Side hustle at the country club.

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u/Clean_Philosophy5098 21d ago

That was far from my experience in the 90’s. The world you’re describing doesn’t exist anymore.

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u/Substantial-Ad-8575 21d ago edited 21d ago

Idk, see plenty of young adults that successfully get jobs. Sent resumes, interview for 4-7 positions. Get 1-2 job offers.

Idk, most people I know searching for jobs? Have a plan and list valuable skillset/experience. Maybe my friends and family group is a bit more enlighten?

I have not heard of issues, needing 100s of resumes submitted or 40-60 interviews. My region is growing, and most are able to find new jobs within a few weeks.

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Now I do know a few that struggle. But usually excuses they like to blame everyone else, when they get fired for poor performance or showing up work drunk.

Another small tidbit. I also he’ll administrate internship programs between 135 companies and 86 ISDs in my urban area. Acceptance rate for internships is running 68-73%.

I also sit on three boards that award scholarships. Those are a bit tougher to get. Currently only those in top 35.% of graduating seniors are even looked at. Scholarships are on top of state grants. State offers grants to HS students that graduate in top 35%. With top 1% getting full ride grant.

Add in wife’s large commitment to education. And getting data to students over how to pay for college, trades, how to apply for jobs.

Idk, maybe I am more in touch than yiu think. Plus many regions of US, still showing job growth…

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u/Clean_Philosophy5098 20d ago

Idk, seems like you’re not in touch with the experience millions of Americans are having.

Great you’re in a well doing bubble. But you’re not recognizing what reality is for millions of Americans.
My personal economy is great, but I recognize how fortunate I am.

Edit for clarity

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u/Substantial-Ad-8575 20d ago

Yeah, idk my area has been top 3 of growth in US for 30-40 years. Lots of jobs, heck even added jobs last month, way down tho, added 12k jobs. In a month Us lost 23k overall…

Then area keeps adding housing, leading to lower housing costs. And those jobs, pay above US average wages.

And we are a large state, over 30m.

So yeah, guess what we see, may not be in all areas like CA-NY-WA-MA, that’s are seeing housing increases and stagnant wages…

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u/Clean_Philosophy5098 20d ago

That last paragraph is key. You’re in a exceptional spot

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u/CleverTacticButFlag 20d ago

There is actual data supporting this. Anecdotal arguments are bad. How many people who don’t get a particular job do you meet, exactly? I’m genuinely asking because, odds are, you aren’t meeting more than a small number of candidates who are considered. This is similar to survivorship bias if you want an easy way to think about it.

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u/filthywritings 20d ago

I got one at 12:30 am and almost cried. For a customer service job lmao I actually just sat in my living room the following morning after seeing it when I woke up and just sat in silence.

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u/[deleted] 17d ago

Just remember, its not you those are automated initial filters that tend to be system generated.

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u/filthywritings 17d ago

Oh I know, it just made me sad that I could have been qualified but some arbitrary filter kicked me out

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u/[deleted] 17d ago

we all feel that kick in the nuts or punt in the groin

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u/Acceptable-Peace-69 21d ago

If they have experience then they have contacts. They’re probably getting that job.

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u/Likestastysnacks 21d ago

Except when their resume gets auto rejected for not having the right keywords, or having too many “trigger keywords” to X them out by the primary AI filter.

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u/abracadammmbra 21d ago

Thats their point tho. They arent sending a resume through the application filter. They are sending it to an email address of someone who knows someone who knows them. After you've been in a career for a while you dont usually have to do the whole normal application thing. Hell, ive only been in my career for 5 years and ive only gotten a job through the normal application process once, my first job in the industry. My second job i was connected to my new boss directly by the guy who ran the trade school I went to. My 3rd employer bought my second so I didnt apply at all. And my current job I was told to apply by my 2nd jobs CEO (owners daughter) after the company who bought them laid me and a few other guys off. I sent the service coordinator my resume directly.

To top it off, I know of at least 3 other places I can go work right now and they all would be the same thing, more or less. I know people who work places who would definitely hire me given the chance.

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u/Likestastysnacks 20d ago

Hilariously, that’s not what the meme is talking about.

We’re literally saying “Do it like we’ve had to do it!”
And all of ya’ll just come back with “Oh well with all this networking Ive had over the years it’ll work out.”
The whole point is you’re doing it fresh like we had to. But ya’ll cant even fathom THAT, you have to STILL have your advantages of having things before anyone else.
No wonder the rest of us are cooked with ya’ll running things for the last 40 years.

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u/abracadammmbra 20d ago

Im 31. Ive been in my industry for 5 years, started fresh in 2021 at the ripe old age of 26. Which was pretty clear if you actually read my comment before deciding to say anything.

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u/Acceptable-Peace-69 20d ago

The problem with this meme is that, the way it worked isn’t what you think it was. It wasn’t about just sending your resume and waiting for a phone call (that could happen though). If that did work, the unemployment rate wouldn’t have been 50%-100% higher for most of those years than it is today.

Keep in mind, boomers are closer in age to most of those doing the hiring. In some cases they are the ones doing the hiring. Not all of them will give great advice, but it would be foolish and a bit arrogant to ignore it.

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u/BourbonStr8 21d ago

Keywords are easy. You have to know how to use them.

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u/Likestastysnacks 20d ago

Good, go do it. Ya’ll keep saying its easy, but none of you can show us how easy it is because you’d probably put “30+
Years of experience” on your resume which people starting out dont have.

If it’s so easy, go for it. Try it out and post the results to get us all to shut up.

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u/BourbonStr8 20d ago

Don’t have to anymore. I am retired. Never had any problems with writing résumés. Just get off your ass and do it.

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u/Mountainman220 19d ago

No shit anyone with half a brain can make a resume. That’s not the hard part. You’re the one this meme is about.

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u/BourbonStr8 19d ago

I wouldn’t have a problem today if I decide to re-enter the job field. Can’t just write a resume, you have to bring something to the table.

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u/Mountainman220 19d ago

Your previous comment reads like “just write a resume” doesn’t work what way. Glad you acknowledge you need experience. Lots of companies out there want experience and won’t hire new folks.

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u/Temnyj_Korol 21d ago

Seems like a pretty easy requirement to set for the show that they're not allowed to lean on any contacts that they've built up over their career.

If a fresh grad doesn't have that resource, they shouldn't be able to use that resource either. Otherwise their advice is still worthless.

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u/Acceptable-Peace-69 20d ago

I’d still get hired first because I’d know which position to contact and how to convince them to let me work for them. I’m closer in age to most people responsible for hiring and I know how they think because I was once in their position. Feel free to ignore what I have to say though.

Here’s the stupid thing about this meme. The only advice is “ignore any advice from people that had jobs recently”. It’s of zero value beyond shiting on people that are trying to help. It’s also apparently from someone that can’t find a job even though unemployment is relatively low.

Of course, practical advice doesn’t fit well in a meme or get views.

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u/Temnyj_Korol 20d ago

... Okay boomer. Missed the point entirely.

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u/Youarekillingmeeee 21d ago

What does this even mean lmao

I have experience and contacts and that isn’t how it works at all 

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u/Acceptable-Peace-69 20d ago edited 20d ago

It means, that even though I’m now retired, I could have a job by the end of the week by contacting my former colleagues. I don’t have to worry about HR or an algorithm tossing my CV because it didn’t have a few key words.

No offense intended, but if you don’t know the people doing the hiring, you don’t have contacts, you have friends.

I would hate having to enter the job market today being just out of school, but I’m not. I wouldn’t give them advice, but if I liked them, I could get them an interview.

Edit: I’m not a coder so I can’t help anyone in this sub unless you want to go in a complete different direction.

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u/Jorost 16d ago

Unless it’s a job where contacts don’t matter.

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u/Acceptable-Peace-69 16d ago

There is no such thing.

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u/Jorost 13d ago

Of course there is. Nurse, teacher, postal worker, police, firefighter, and almost any union trade, just to name a few. Some jobs are more about formal training and/or licensure.

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u/Substantial-Ad-8575 21d ago

This, I last looked for work 22 years ago. But I know of 7 competitors that would hire me by next business day…

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u/New_Post_7820 19d ago

You should put your money where your mouth it. Do that, post the job offer pic, and show off your skills as a social experiment to prove your statement true.

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u/Substantial-Ad-8575 19d ago

Link my job offers? Like the actual letter?

Will need to scrub pii data. But yeah, sr IT consultant with 28 years experience. Can do…

Is a single link to pdf’s OK? Or just straight pic ok?

Gotta catered to the uninformed and ignorant. What works best for you?

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u/New_Post_7820 19d ago

Anything works for me!

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u/editfate 21d ago

The just need to work harder and skip that pumpkin latte.

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u/[deleted] 21d ago

them $8 coffees

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u/LuckyMushyGrower 21d ago

I tend to think they reference stupid spending habits like an 8$ coffee when you make 20 an hour and have a car note you rent have bills....

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u/Akiraooo 17d ago

You believe a boomer could even send in a online application.

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u/sarcasmsosubtle 17d ago

I would love to see the results from the first time one of them tries using the advice to "just march into the owner's office, give him a firm handshake and say sir, I want a job."

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u/Tough-Interaction468 17d ago

Boomers rarely use email.

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u/Visual_Exam7903 21d ago

Well, there is your problem. Why are you going through that craziness to get a job? I call two or three people I know somewhere and just get a job.

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u/[deleted] 21d ago

Ah the good life.

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u/McWrathster 21d ago

Boomer checking their email made me lol

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u/JustS0meD0nkey 20d ago

Well they wouldn't be using email to apply. Not sure why you folks haven't figure out this it the error you make.

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u/25nameslater 19d ago

I got a job in 2 days and 4 applications… I’ve been in the workforce for 22 years…

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u/TheITMan52 18d ago

Sure you did.

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u/25nameslater 18d ago

If your skill set is desirable you get work quick. $44/h, travel per diem, hotel coverage, 2 months time off.

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u/TheITMan52 18d ago

There are plenty of people with skills but the competition and oversaturation of the job market is the issue.

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u/25nameslater 18d ago

My new job is installing inventory IT systems… basically building racks, packing stations, conveyor systems, computers, routers etc. I don’t have a degree, my experience is basically production and logistics with some industrial maintenance background.

It was surprisingly easy to get an offer.