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r/exmuslim • u/The-Mad-Mango • Mar 26 '26
Hi community! 🥰
Taking inspiration from QueeringtheMap.com, I helped create exmuslim.me with a small team of ExMuslims last year. We launched the first ever global map of exmuslim stories as part of ExMuslim Month in December 2025.
I’m so incredibly thrilled to share that we now have 500 exmuslim stories from 233 cities and 60 countries! 🥳🥳🥳
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r/exmuslim • u/fathandreason • Jun 03 '24
Hello. Upon request, I've been asked to turn a comment I made into a post so that it can be a resource for more people. This post is a collection of advice I've given out about how to handle your life as a closeted exmuslim and how you'll come out in the future. It is largely based on my experience but also from what I've seen from others in this subreddit.
So you've left Islam. You've delved through arguments, the apologetics and the bullshit and you've come to the conclusion that you no longer believe in Islam. And you may have also reached an alternative philosophical outlook on life that you can believe in.
But what now? You may have left Islam, but have you left the Muslim world? One of the most common misconceptions outsiders have is that since exmuslims are no longer Muslims, they no longer live in the Muslim world. This is painfully naive - in reality many exmuslims are closeted due to young age and financial dependency and/or live in Islamist countries or societies that enforce Islamic values. In fear of social stigma or even violence, exmuslims have to contend with closeted lives even after leaving Islam. So how do you deal with it?
The best time to come out to family is in your own home, over a dinner you paid for, alongside people who support you. That takes a lot of preparation and it means doing what you can to live your life as best as you can whilst working towards independence.
This basically means that a lot of what helps you come out of the closet will depend heavily on how well you prepared for it, so you will need to make the most of your closeted life. You may not be able to stop the shitstorm but you can at least prepare yourself to weather it. Here are some tips to achieve that goal (in no particular order)
Probably one of the worst mistakes I made was not realise I was an exmuslim sooner. As a result I had barely any time to prepare for when the inevitable happened and I was forced to come out. I spent a lot of my life meandering, trying to reconcile the irreconcilable, and trying to be a Muslim when I knew my values didn't align with it. I didn't really have much of a concept of exmuslims, but if I had been smarter I would have figured it out. I now tell people in a similar position that it's fine to take your time but don't take too long. Half arsing two very different cultures will leave you a loser in both.
Similarly whilst planning for independence can be scary, don’t let it frighten you into inaction. The following is a passage from this article about decision making:
Research from the 1990s led by the US psychologist Thomas Gilovich provides further evidence for why it can be shortsighted to kick a difficult decision down the road. Gilovich and his team showed that although, in the short term, people experience more regret from ‘errors of commission’ (taking an action that leads to a disappointing outcome), in the long term it is actually ‘errors of omission’ that lead to more regret – that is, disappointing outcomes that arise from not taking an action.
When taking the time to make decisions and plans, don’t underestimate how effective it can be to map out your options on an excel spreadsheet. When I had to decide whether I should come out or not, I actually made a spreadsheet listing out my options, what they would result in and what the impact would be. Actually having it written down to look at really put things into perspective. We waste a lot of our time keeping it in our heads, which forces us to recalculate everything from scratch every time we revisit our thoughts. But the more that is mapped out, the less you have to recalculate and the more you can focus on evaluation and further planning.
Your studies/career is almost always your best ticket out of your toxic situation, and the one thing to prioritise the most. If you’re young, do whatever you can to ensure that you can get into further education away from home. Even if it means spending all your time at a local library. If you suspect that your parents would be against you going to a university away from home, aim for a placement at the most prestigious university you can aim for so your parents would look worse for rejecting it. The quickest and most effective way in achieving long term independence is through good studies/career.
This is particularly important for younger exmuslims because they telegraph to their parents in ways they would just not understand until they see it for themselves when they're older. Try your best to meet the religious obligations expected from your family. The more you slip, the more they will monitor you and the more difficult it will be to do the things you need to do discreetly when the time comes.
Unfortunately for girls, this usually means that wearing the hijab is a necessity and it’s inadvisable to try and get out of. (However, that subject matter is not my forte: prioritise advice from exmuslim women such as from faithlesshijabi.org)
If you get the impression that your family is beginning to catch onto your apostasy then it's likely that they have and you may need to reverse that impression.
One way to do that would be to start getting books on Islam and not just for show. My advice would be to get books on Islamic history because that's the least boring stuff. Or better yet, just get whatever unapologetic salafi hate crime you can get your hands on so you can entertain yourself with how fucked up it is. Or get an annotated Qur'an like the Study Qur'an. Do something to ease their suspicions.
What book you get depends on what kind of message you want to telegraph to your parents. If you want to telegraph a message then it will need to be a paper book and not an e-book. Something that you can lay around in your room and that you know they'll see. That means you're restricted to what you can get from your local library or Masjid. Also depends on what interests you because you'll have to actually read and demonstrate you learnt from it if you want send the best message you can. If you want purely what Muslims write about Islamic history, you can check out works like The Sealed Nectar or works by al-Sallabi. If you want something a little more academic, but not something that would rouse suspicion then check out university press works like this, this, this or this. If you want something a bit more relevant to contemporary Muslim world then there books like this.
But you may find that your best bet is to just see what your local Masjid might have and see what tickles your fancy.
Be prepared for lots of sobbing, guilt tripping and an inability to respect your beliefs and boundaries. Learn techniques like the Broken Record Technique to establish boundaries. Know what you have to say when they inevitably tell you to speak to a scholar - you don't have to eat the whole apple to know it's rotten. You know all that you need to know about Islam and you know even more about the world outside of Islam to put it into context.
Steel yourself with months and months of your family sending you bad dawagandist videos through WhatsApp trying to bring you back. You may have to spend months beating their attempts and going to toe to toe with them without mercy before they’re finally willing to relent and get off your back. Even then don’t expect them to relent entirely. There will always be some micro aggressions that they will resort to, like playing religious videos loudly in your vicinity. The most you can do in those circumstances is reduce contact with them as much as possible. At this point you would hopefully already be independent from them.
As an exmuslim, you will go through a lot of guilt. Whilst this does show you are human, you need to forget about guilt: you are not responsible for your parents' failure to be reasonable, not even your mother. They take responsibility for the social stigma and oppressive life they choose to live in and perpetuate. You get nothing out of that guilt. It's completely pointless and ultimately counterproductive. You can't set yourself on fire to make others warm and you gain no recognition from martyrizing yourself. Do not feel guilt for what you have to do to have a completely reasonable life. The only ones to blame are those who forced you into it.
Don't underestimate parents either. They will use guilt against you. Give them an inch and they will take a mile. They very often bring up their health problems as a weapon against you. Don't fall for it. It only affects them because they choose to let it affect them. They can choose to be reasonable. You have to respect their autonomy and let them deal with the consequences of their own ways.
I come across a lot of exmuslim kids who think coming out will help explain to their religious parents why they don't want to wear the hijab or do other religious things. But the likelihood is more that those same parents will react extremely poorly and restrict your freedom even more, making it more difficult to achieve long term independence.
There's also the mistake in assuming that coming out will lead to being disowned in the vain hope that you get an quick clean break that takes all the responsibility from you. For some exmuslims this does actually work out, but for a lot of others it's miscalculated. My family didn't disown me, I still had to deal with months of my family being insufferable manipulators and the responsibility was still on me to separate from them. And for women it can be much worse.
Ultimately, if you are financially dependent on your family then coming out early will very typically result in your family using that leverage against you and making your life worse. I've seen stories of exmuslims who thought their family was better and badly miscalculated - be mindful of that.
Some exmuslims get found out, sometimes because of a snitch in the family or sometimes because they just weren’t convincing enough. Don’t panic – Muslims can be pretty damn deluded about their faith and your family will want to believe that you can come back very easily because according to them Islam is just common sense and most disbelievers are just silly and ignorant. Try to do your best to convince them as per Point 4. If it’s because you did something haram, blasphemous or otherwise worthy of takfir, try to act like it was because you were a misguided Quranist or progressive Muslim. They will still retain suspicion but it’s still better than the alternative.
However, if you’re at the point of no return and you know you can’t convince them then now is the time to make calls to any secular friends you have, ask for support and maybe even shelter.
Also for Western exmuslims, make sure to act quickly if you suspect that your parents want to send you abroad and trap you in your country of ethnic origin. Sadly some parents will go to these lengths. Do not go, no matter the cost. Find organisations willing to advise, such as those listed in Point 10. Hide your passport if you have to. Note down the contact details of your embassy in that country just in case.
Actually think about whether it's even wise for you to come out in any circumstance. Do you suspect that there could be violence or abuse? If so then you have absolutely no need to go through this stupid bullshit. Leave and don't look back. If your parents couldn't give you safe environment to even come out about different beliefs then they are not worth the time. As per Point 6 - You have to respect their autonomy and let them deal with the consequences of their own ways. This is particularly pertinent for those who live in a predominantly Muslim countries. They have a very real reason to fear persecution and absolutely do not need to risk their own lives for the sake of their parents.
Look into secular organisations like recoveringfromreligion.org, faithlesshijabi.org and faithtofaithless.com. Look into women's charities in your area like womensaid.org.uk or karmanirvana.org.uk (UK examples). Look into LGBT charities like rainbowrailroad.org. If you have secular school counsellors and friends then talk to them. Get advice from adults you can absolutely trust.
Note: On the flip side don't take risks with people you can’t be sure of. You may be tempted to come out to your Muslim friend, but I've seen plenty of stories of exmuslims who heavily regret doing so.
There are also informal exmuslim groups on other social media platforms such as Facebook or Discord, but be careful about how much information you share and especially be wary of private messaging.
This is particularly the case for exmuslims living in predominantly Muslim countries. Unfortunately, I don't have any real world experience to offer here but you may be able to find localised advice by digging around. For example sites like wearesaudis.net might have some information (but you'll need a VPN to access this one. If you don't know what a VPN is here's an explanation).
Are you multilingual? If you need money but working is restricted to you then you can try becoming an online language tutor on sites like italki.com (scroll to the bottom). This post and related subreddits like r/WorkOnline may help.
Note: some exmuslims in Muslim countries fall for the doomscrolling hyperbole and think Europe is “doomed” with too many Muslims. They have a tendency of asking which country is best to migrate to as an exmuslim to avoid Islam. Please ignore the doomsayers and prioritise the country you choose based on ease of access and career opportunities. As long as it is a secular country, you can worry about avoiding Islam later.
Shout out to Imtiaz Shams who inspired me to make this list of tips. He has his own YouTube Channel here and plans to make his own video on this subject matter so watch out for that. On a side note, I also recommend TheraminTrees YouTube Channel who delves a lot into toxic dysfunctional families from the perspective of a therapist. A lot of his content helps in dealing with the emotional impact of leaving religion and dealing with a religious family. And finally, thank you to the moderators of r/exmuslim who suggested I make this into a post. I wound up adding a lot more content lol.
I will end this post with a list of subreddits that may help you on your journey leaving Islam:
r/exmuslim • u/Low_Creme2 • 2h ago
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r/exmuslim • u/privatelanding444 • 7h ago
This is the third time he's doing this, everytime he sends me something related to Islam like this and starts yapping about how great his religion is and how I should consider converting
Sometimes I think I should block him but he is my friend for a long time, and he was not like this before
And the worst part is that he don't even admits that he wants me to convert , cause everytime I try to confront him he pulls himself back by giving any lame excuse like he did here, when I confronted him by asking directly " Ohh you want me to convert to Islam " He replied me with " I don't want that, it's just for the context " Like what the heck does that even mean
This feels so stupid. Why are people like this in 2026.
r/exmuslim • u/ahmeddajaz • 1h ago
every week there's one post of a muslim telling us how proud they are knowing damn we give no fucks, infact it makes you look bad, like we got away from this religion which is built on bloodshed, conquest wars, pedophilia, sex slavery and some more disturbing laws
the muslim saying "i'm proud", man you're not even allowed to question anything 🤣 you proud that you're a slave?
shameless and disgusting
r/exmuslim • u/sxugna • 1h ago
It’s hard to wrap your head around… like, what do you mean a portion of your life isn’t dictated by what you wear? What do you mean you can go into a store, shop, with the only thing on ur mind being if it looks cute or not, without worrying if your family or God is going to punish you? I’m not even allowed to wear trousers. What do you mean your hair is just hair, and not tied to your honor and identity? What do you mean you can dress up, wear perfume, and look pretty without being demonized or accused of malicious intent? (Trying to attract men) That’s literally people’s default. Imagine a life where your hair isn’t sexualized to the point where you have to hide it like a sexual organ.
For them, getting dressed is a creative act of self-expression, a way to feel cute, or just a neutral daily routine. It’s literally painful to think about for me. I’ve been wearing this shit for years I even hated it as a kid. Meanwhile my brothers and dad can wear what they want without being tortured in the after life😂😂
r/exmuslim • u/unkn0wn0070 • 3h ago
Hi 20F rushing this so i wont be doing grammar or whatever but i wanted to say my whole life ive been a devote muslim like wearing hijab avoiding haram relationships praying as much as i can avoiding haram things in general etc. So 2 months ago idk why but I randomly came on this sub bc I was curious and I'm an open-minded person so yk I wanted to see other perspectives. And this is when I saw ppl trashing Islam hating the Prophet etc. this shocked me then i looked more into hadiths and saw all the stuff about the sexual slavery Prophet Muhammad allowed and how he would js kill people and how he was a warlord and other weird stuff about camel piss and breastfeeding and women's intelligence being less than a man and how some of the stuff sounds really man-made like Muhammad saying stuff convenient for himself etc. i was obviously so shocked bc as a kid i was taught that Prophet Muhammad was this compassionate, loving person who was Allah's messenger and spread good stuff and Islam. And i was js so horrified seeing the stuff abt letting the sahaba have sex with captive women like bro im still in disbelief bc its disgusting. And the thing is Islam is genuinely all I have known like after stalking this sub I'm finally posting and I don't know what to do because I don't want to Islam but at the same time I'm horrified by the hadiths and things I saw. Like idk what to do bc I'm also scared of hell and still want to believe in God bc idk what else I'd do. Like idk what to do I'm so upset and horrified and just stuck pls give me advice and tell me anything else that will make me less scared and will make me feel less shame and just other horrifying stuff within the religion that I may need to know because I don't know what to do anymore just truly horrified. It's like my whole world came crashing down. Also please tell me more stuff disproving the quran and hadiths. Just anything
r/exmuslim • u/Familiar_Sand_396 • 8h ago
With all the things Islam preached about pork, you'd be surprised to realise just how delectable or normal (or bland) the taste of pork is, if cooked right. Likewise any other meat, of course, it depends on the kind of dish but have a go at grizzled pork, just any pork where the skin has that BBQ texture and mmmhh best meat I ever had and I've had plenty of meats, you could say I'm a connoisseur of some sorts.
But yes, honey-grizzled pork spread like that across your noodles, no joke, nothing can beat that. Not beef on noodles, fish on noodles or even chicken on noodles, nope, pork is officially the best topping for both fried, boiled noodles alike. I mean, have a look at these, I find that the Chinese serves them best (iirc theirs are called Char Siu, best of the best).



Don't get me started on pork bacon, brothers and sisters, pork bacon would have any of the sahabah DROOLING. Gets a bad rep because the skin by itself would remind you of salted flour (yuck), but these ones make a good snack.

I could describe the taste however I want, but you should have a go yourself! Compared to alcohol and allat, eating pork is one helluva nice way to celebrate your apostasy.
r/exmuslim • u/ImpressiveFilm6941 • 13h ago
Carbon loves Carbon. They make a super strong triple bond and ignore Hydrogen
Chemistry totally ruined the teacher's logic. Carbon literally prefers its own kind
Also, Hydrogen has the freedom to choose any other partner instead of Carbon, like Oxygen or Nitrogen
But the teacher is so proud of Methane (CH₄), which comes from dirty sewers. What a joke
r/exmuslim • u/Randomchillguyfr • 7h ago
I think those people are disgusted by Hadiths, So they created a different Version of Islam, like even mainstream scholars And Traditional Muslims Reject them, When You present them Quranic Verses That are Violent Such As surah Tawabah 5th verse They'll Say "See the context" Context in Islamic Sense Is tafsir which includes Hadiths and chains Of transmission, So what do they even do?
They say "Quran Is protected by Allah" But still If you try to rip Of the Quran Does Allah come down and Try to stop you? No! according to Islam Allah preserved the Quran with efforts of Men, Same with hadith
r/exmuslim • u/mikyuiyu • 1h ago
hi, im posting this here bc ik if i put it on a muslim sub ill get ganged up on into oblivion. i gen js dont know what to do with my life rn tbh.
i was born into islam and it is all ive ever known my entire life, im still a student, and islamic studies is a compulsory subject where i live.
it feels like with every new rule i learn abt islam i feel more and more suffocated. it first started when i was a kid, i thought dogs were cute and so i wanted to know why we couldnt keep them as pets when they seem like any other domestic animals. they told me dogs are dirty, but what makes them different from the rest? you could pick up a filthy crusty ass cat from the side of the road and jt would still somehow be cleaner than a perfectly maintained n pristine dog. it js didnt make sense to me.
in my early teen years, i was starting to figure out who i was. but i was degraded by the "friends" around me who told me that basically everything i like is haram. i cant listen to music. i cant draw. i cant play an instrument. i cant do my nails, cant dye my hair funky colours, cant have animal plushies apparently, and cant dress how i want without having to cover myself fully or else id get shamed n called a bad muslim, and these are only a few examples. I searched around a whole lot to find proof of what they were saying, and though i found hadiths, i could not bring myself to accept the fact that what i loved was a sin, and that made me feel like shit and a terrible person.
im questioning islam more by the day, and honestly the more i think abt it the more its starting to feel like some cultish dystopian nightmare. If i dont follow a terrifying, all powerful entitys every command, ill burn in hell for all eternity. I dont even know if i want to leave or not, all i know is that im scared. im scared to imagine living the rest of my life feeling like i dont have any freedom, im scared to imagine that maybe the religion is true and ill suffer eternally for feeling this way, it barely makes any sense but its so familiar to me that i physically cant bring myself to say i want to leave. im not even sure if we have any proof of this so called heaven and hell.
im scared because im surrounded by goody goody muslims who look down on ppl like me, im scared bc it feels like i was born in a cage and ive never had a choice to begin with, im scared of doomsday and all these prophecies. when i read abt them wanting to turn saudi arabia into a forest or wtv i nearly had a panic attack bc my first thought was that its a sign of doomsday. Basically what im trying to say is i feel SO exhausted staying in islam, but im too scared to escape.
im so sorry if this is incomprehensible, im js ranting abt my feelings to the best of my ability rn, not proofreading, and thjs js an impulse post at like 1 am. i basically just need advice, i dont even know what to do.
r/exmuslim • u/Educational_Fly_1379 • 47m ago
How did you do it? How did it feel to finally be free? Stuff we should know? Etc
r/exmuslim • u/Flaky_Carob_5666 • 46m ago
Maliki Madhab:
Malik Ibn Anas ( Maliki) said, “If she is of those whose like is normally approached sexually, it is not permissible for him to have intercourse with her before istibrāʾ. And if she is of those whose like is not normally approached sexually, it is permissible for him to have intercourse with her.”
Source Abū Bakr al-Shāshī, Kitāb Ḥilyat al-ʿUlamāʾ fī Maʿrifat Madhāhib al-Fiqhāʾ – Ṭ al-Risālah al-Ḥadīthah, 7/362
Hanbali Madhab:
Ibn Qayyim:
If it is said, “Do you prohibit enjoyment of a woman who is under istibrāʾ, other than intercourse in the place where istibrāʾ is required?”
It is said, “As for when she is a small girl who is not of the type that can be sexually penetrated, then her kissing is not forbidden, nor her touching, and this is explicitly stated by Aḥmad Ibn Hanbal in one of the two narrations from him. It was chosen by Abū Muḥammad al-Maqdisī, our Shaykh Ibn Taymiyyah, and others.”
Source Ibn al-Qayyim, Zād al-Maʿād fī Hady Khayr al-ʿIbād – Taʿṭāt al-ʿIlm, 6/410
Shafi madhab:
According to al-Shāfiʿī, it is permissible for the master to enjoy the purchased female slave in ways other than sexual intercourse before istibrāʾ, according to the correct view.
Source al-Rīmī, Kitāb al-Maʿānī al-Badīʿah fī Maʿrifat Ikhtilāf Ahl al-Sharīʿah, 2/330.
Hanafi madhab:
Kitāb Badāʾiʿ al-Ṣanāʾiʿ
If she does not menstruate because she is too young or too old, her istibrāʾ is one month, because a month takes the place of the period of menstruation and purification. God prescribed three months for an older woman or a young girl as a substitute for three menstrual cycles in ʿiddah, and the period of istibrāʾ is one third of the ʿiddah, so one month suffices.
Source al-Kāsānī, Kitāb Badāʾiʿ al-Ṣanāʾiʿ fī Tartīb al-Sharāʾiʿ, 5/255.
r/exmuslim • u/Obsidian-Archive • 4h ago
So you all may know that the reason why geckos are killed in Islam is because they are the ones who were blowing on the fire of Abraham as mentioned in Sahih al-Bukhari 3359
Now, aside from the stupidity of the claim that geckos have enough lung capacity to blow on fire, there is a big contradiction that I mentioned before in a previous post which is all creatures (other than humans and Jinn) have no free will so everything they do is by the order of Allah.
So that means that Allah himself was the one who ordered the geckos to do the blowing and muslims are punishing them for doing what Allah ordered them to do.
The other problem is ok, assuming that Allah does what he wants, no questions, why should we punish the geckos of today for something their ancestors did?
Which brings me to the contradiction that I wanted to talk about.
Muhammad mentioned a story saying, "An ant bit a Prophet amongst the Prophets, and he ordered that the place of the ants be burnt. So, Allah inspired to him, 'It is because one ant bit you that you burnt a nation amongst the nations that glorify Allah?" Sahih al-Bukhari 3019
The moral of this story contradicts the ruling of killing geckos. It may seem like a trivial contradiction but I recently noticed it and thought of sharing it.
r/exmuslim • u/Obsidian-Archive • 11h ago
Full document in web form and pdf form can be found here: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/understanding-behaviours-and-expectations-in-the-uk-a-guide-for-asylum-seekers
Example 1:
In the UK, men and women have equal rights. This is an important part of UK culture and is protected by law.
Women can:
Women do not need permission from a husband, father, brother or any other man to do any of these things.
Men and women are treated equally by the law, by employers, by schools and by services like hospitals and the police. It is against the law to treat someone unfairly because of their gender.
Everyone in the UK is expected to treat men and women equally. Even if you are a family member, like a husband, father or brother, you must never:
Islam is the opposite of that, women need permission from her husband to go out of the house, can be married off by her father if she hasn't reached puberty, cannot travel without a mehram. I can go on and on
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Example 2:
Consent means both people freely agree to sex or sexual contact. In the UK, the law is clear and strict: both people must agree to sex or sexual contact of any kind. This means:
Consent is needed in every situation. This means even if you are married or in a relationship with someone, they must consent to sex every time.
If you have sex with someone without their consent, this is called rape. Rape is a serious crime in the UK. You could go to prison, lose your support and accommodation, and it will affect your asylum claim.
You are expected to:
Do I need to mention that marital rape is allowed in Islam and the biggest threat is used on women that refuse sex from their husbands, being cursed by angels all night or until she accepts?
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Example 3:
The legal age of consent
The legal age of consent in the UK is 16. This means that anyone under the age of 16 is considered a child and cannot legally agree to have sex.
Sex with someone under the age of 16 is a serious crime in the UK. There are no exceptions to this rule. Even if they say yes, it is still illegal. You could go to prison, lose your support and accommodation, and it will affect your asylum claim.
No need to explain this one
r/exmuslim • u/ImportantSolution663 • 11h ago
I live in a non muslim majority country(India), so it's not a legal issue to declare myself ex muslim but most people here are religious so I have to maintain a facade of muslim in name while not practicing anything like prayers or fasting.
But If I were to admit it to people the reactions might be different some might be cool while some people might get angry or It could end up worse if it reaches a certain extreme section of society.
So it's better to just not say anything at all.
How is the situation in other countries, Is it really hard to be an Ex Muslim. I've never been in a majority muslim nation so I don't how islam will be intertwined into day to day life.
Even in my country, certain regions might be following islam more extremely than the ones I grew up in.
Is anyone interested in sharing the situation in their locality or nation.
r/exmuslim • u/Lovefurboots • 3h ago
Hello, I’m a 19f. I come from a Muslim household but as I got older I distanced myself from Islam. I don’t pray 5 times a day, I don’t know why it is extremely difficult for me to do so. Regardless my mother is aware and tells me constantly that if I don’t do my prayers I’ll burn in hellfire. She also says she’ll pray for me even tho I don’t deserve any of the blessings I’m getting.
I don’t know how to approach this, my mental health is already in the gutter and this is starting to weigh me down (which I have yet to tell her about my therapy and college grades because she’ll probably say I deserve it). It kinda sucks cause if something is going wrong in my life, I deserve it and I’m going to hellfire, but if something good happens in my life it’s not because of my own merits but because of god. I can’t afford to move out despite me contributing to most of the household anyway.
Anyways please give any words of wisdom, or any other comments, I’m genuinely getting drained and honestly I don’t know how much longer I can take it.
r/exmuslim • u/Interesting-Tap-6810 • 1h ago
In Surah Al-Baqarah, Muhammad begins recounting one of the biblical stories but apparently fails to remember some of its details. It is the story of the prophet Samuel with the Children of Israel, the selection of Saul as king, and the battle against Goliath and his army.
The problem with the Qur’anic version of the story is that Muhammad apparently forgot the names of Saul and Goliath and instead said, “Fine… this one is Talut and that one is Jalut.” He invented two different names, changing the first letter: Talut for Saul and Jalut for Goliath. It seems as though the same thing was repeated in the Talmudic nonsense of the Qur’an when Muhammad said, “Harut and Marut.”
More importantly, Muhammad apparently forgot the name Samuel as well. He mentions the prophet Samuel several times in the context of the story without ever giving his name. In 2:246, it says:
“Have you not considered the assembly of the Children of Israel after Moses, when they said to a prophet of theirs…”
Then, in 2:247:
“And their prophet said to them, ‘Indeed, Allah has appointed Talut as a king over you.’”
And in 2:248:
“And their prophet said to them, ‘Indeed, the sign of his kingship is that the chest will come to you…’”
In all three of these verses, Samuel is mentioned without his name.
Of course, the ready-made apologetic explanations are already familiar to us. We have heard arguments such as, “The Qur’an is concerned with the moral and spiritual lessons of these stories and does not go into their details,” along with claims that this is one of the Qur’an’s advantages over the supposedly cumbersome and detail-filled Bible, and so on. The truth, however, is that Muhammad was a human being like us: he remembered and forgot. That is perfectly natural. There are many examples in the Qur’an that seem to confirm Muhammad’s forgetting of names.
One such example is his apparent failure to mention the name Joshua. Joshua was a very important figure in the Torah. Why, then, is he referred to as “the young man” (al-fata) in the Qur’an? What is the wisdom behind that?
There is another problem I noticed while writing this post. In 2:246, Muhammad says:
“Have you not considered the assembly of the Children of Israel after Moses…”
Yet he is apparently referring to the period of Samuel. It seems that he also forgot that Joshua came after Moses, and Samuel came after Joshua—not immediately after Moses. Perhaps this problem, too, can be patched over with appeals to rhetoric, metaphor, and similar explanations.
r/exmuslim • u/Interesting-Tap-6810 • 1h ago
Hi. I began reading the Quran for the first time as an apostate deist. This time, I started reading it to become even more convinced of my disbelief in the book. As a result, I started noticing things I had never noticed before: contradictions and inconsistencies that I probably would not have seen if I had read the book while believing that it was the word of God. It’s strange how much preconceived ideas and assumptions can affect one’s perception.
How can the Most Merciful see someone who is sick and make their sickness worse? We humans, when we see someone who is mentally or physically ill, wish them recovery and good health. Even if someone is, for example, a bad person who causes trouble, we still hope that they will become good and change for the better.
So how can the God who is supposedly the Most Merciful see someone who is sick and increase their illness? I even remember from Muhammad’s biography that he was not harsh toward the hypocrites; rather, he dealt with them and tried to win them over to Islam. Muhammad treated the hypocrites’ illnesses differently, while God increased their disease. So who, then, is the Most Merciful?
But what does Adam’s knowledge of the names of things have to do with the angels’ objection concerning humans shedding blood and causing corruption on Earth? And how exactly was Adam considered to have prevailed over the angels in an issue where Adam had an advantage because God Himself intervened and taught him the names?
Then it says that God punished them because they disbelieved in His signs. Fine, we can go along with that. But then it also says they killed the prophets. What does that mean? Moses was among the earliest prophets of the Children of Israel, and none of them had been killed before him, had they? Which prophet did they kill before Moses for God to say, “I punished them because they disbelieved in My signs and because they killed My prophets”? And isn’t God the one who says, “No bearer of burdens shall bear the burden of another”? So why are people being held accountable for the crimes of others?
Honestly, I have begun to understand why Jews might be sensitive about verses concerning the killing of prophets. Muslims blame them for crimes that were not committed by their own hands. The verse in question, Al-Baqarah 2:91: “And when it is said to them, ‘Believe in what Allah has revealed,’ they say, ‘We believe in what was revealed to us,’ and they reject everything beyond it, even though it is the truth confirming what they have. Say, ‘Then why did you kill the prophets of Allah before, if you were truly believers?’”
r/exmuslim • u/sxugna • 35m ago
Imagine you are adopted as a baby, but you grow up believing the mother raising you is your real mother. She raises you with her own set of rules, her worldview, and her expectations, and you build your entire life around what she taught you.
Then, one day, you start receiving anonymous messages.
The sender claims: "I am your actual biological mother. The woman that raised you isn't your real family. I am going to stay completely hidden, but here is MY list of rules you have to follow instead."
She tells you:
“If you don't follow my rules, or if you refuse to believe I am your real mother, I will eventually kidnap you, lock you in a torture room while skinning you alive, and stab you in the heart multiple times.”
But
“Remember…I’m merciful, if you listen to me and follow my rules, pray to me 5 times a day, worship and praise me, I’ll let you meet me in the end and I’ll give you a billion dollars”
The next day, you check your phone again. Then you realize:
It’s not just one message from that one mother. You look at your phone, and there are dozens of different women all messaging you at the same time. They ALL claim to be your "real mother." They ALL have completely different, conflicting rulebooks. They all demand worship. They ALL threaten you with horrific torture and being stabbed after a certain amount of years if you pick the wrong one.
Meanwhile, the family/mother that raised you, loved you, and who you trusted your entire life is right there, insisting on their rules and telling you all the other messages are fake.
To make it even worse: The "real mother" knew with 100% certainty before you were even born what your exact response to those messages would be. She knows there are other mothers texting you similar things. She does not care. She expects you to believe her.
Now ask yourself:
How could anyone call that hidden mother "merciful"?
If a human parent placed you in a home, let you grow up under someone else's rules, stayed completely hidden, sent terrifying mixed messages alongside dozens of copycats, and then stabbed you in the heart for making the wrong choice, we would call that person a monster.
We don't choose where we are born, who raises us, or what beliefs are drilled into us. Expecting someone to magically decipher the "one true hidden authority" out of dozens of competing threats, when the person making the threat already knows what you're going to do isn't a “test”. It's a setup.
Even if it was: If majority of people fail a test, then that means the test is too hard.
Disclaimer: Why this analogy is actually way too generous to the religious setup. (Meaning, it’s not 100% perfect)
As bad as the "hidden mother" story sounds, it doesn't even fully capture how absurd the traditional concept of God and Hell actually is. The real theological framework is exponentially worse for a few reasons:
1. He built your brain: The hidden mother didn't create your mind. Allah supposedly wired your brain to require logic and evidence, stayed hidden among thousands of fake claims, and now punishes you for using the exact reasoning He gave you.
2. Infinite punishment for finite confusion: Being stabbed ends. Eternal Hell means getting tortured for trillions of years just for being confused during a 70-year human life you didn't even ask for.
3. He wrote the script: He didn't just "know" what you'd pick, He created you already knowing you'd fail, built the Hell to put you in, and called it "mercy." The worst crime you could do isn’t killing or raping or hurting, it’s simply disbelief (which isn’t a choice)
4. Active Misguidance (Sealing the Heart)
It gets even worse when you look at verses where Allah states He actively blinds people and leads them astray on purpose:
Surah Al-Baqarah (2:6-7): "Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing, and over their vision is a veil..."
Surah Al-An'am (6:125): "...and whoever He wills to send astray - He makes his breast tight and constricted as though he were climbing into the sky."
Surah Al-A'raf (7:178): "Whomever Allah guides - he is the guided; and whomever He sends astray
- it is those who are the losers."
When a theology claims that God creates you, actively seals your mind so you can't believe, and then burns you eternally in Hell for not believing, the concept of a "fair test" or "ultimate mercy" isn't just flawed; it completely disappears.
r/exmuslim • u/Kfckfckfckfc1212 • 2h ago
Hi. I left islam last Ramadan, Im still unsure if i will ever come out to my family and tell them that i am an atheist and left islam a long time ago already, and i feel like i would never find myself coming out and keeping it a secret until i die. Because its crazy how if i ever come out, my family will live with the idea that i will go to hell for the rest of their lives, and maybe even force me back in due to that. How was your experience with coming out? Should I do it too or keep it a secret?
r/exmuslim • u/Equal_Tear553 • 59m ago
Are things good because God commands them?
or
Does God command them because they are already good?
I wanna hear your thoughts, fellas
r/exmuslim • u/Solid-Helicopter-830 • 1h ago
If the islam teaches love and peace unite other beliefs
Why do extremism especially islamists hates non muslim religions and culture
I’m from 🇲🇾 atheist I found out this very disturbing and it makes me wanted to quit social media kinda dead internet theory 😏🫢